The guy is an impact player. The reason he is in the squad is because of the control that Hazelwood and Cummins offer (Boland too)! He is free to be a bit inconsistent and do his thing. Once in a while he will win you a test on his own and that’s why inconsistency is tolerated.
The thing about Starc is that he perfectly compliments the other two (three if you include Boland). When you've got another 2 blokes in the attack who are metronomic, you want a wild thing style impact player. That's exactly what he is. He's underrated as a roleplayer and we'll miss him when he hangs the boots up
At his prime he was one of the best bowlers in tests from 2014-2018! But last few years he has been avg infact around 2021 he was completely out of form. But since last year ashes he was pretty good and aus's best bowler who helped them draw the series! The current starc just enjoys when the ball swings thats it. Thats why seeming swinging pink ball favours him more since he doesnt have that 150 pace anymore!
What peak are you talking about in test cricket,I have seen this a lot from Indian fans specifically who are scarred by starc in world cups and thus think that's he was a great fast bowler in. Test cricket which he never was barring two years
@Sid-e5y that's what I said his peak. Maybe like most cricket fans u have a short memory. Just see his stats u don't get 350+ test wickets in < 90 test wickets by being avg! That too in australia and not England. At his peak, he was great even in Asian conditions with the reverse swing!
that's the problem I have with nostalgia wankers tbh. I mean they love to parade around the older gen of batters facing Mcgrath and Warnie. But what they fail to understand is that if you make a tally for Aus's best pacers Patty,Haze comes under top 5 and Starc at top 7-8 easily along with the fact that Lyon is no slouch either and by far Aus's second best spinner(not even close to Warnie by a mile but he is easily top 3 spinners of this era). Overall the new gen faces Patty+Haze+Starc and Lyon and that too on more bowler friendly surfaces in comparison to 00-16 tours of Aus which makes this attack a lot more dangerous than any other. Sure Mcgrath and Warnie sits around as number 1-2 as the best bowler of any time but the overall attack comes off with Lee,Mcgill,Braken and Bichel type of guys along with the fact that Johnson and Jason were only great in their prime red form and were really off the mark otherwise and the pitches were also legit flat since 03 timeline in Aus.
I don't know..Doesn't the flatness of pitches argument actually work in the favour of the older bowlers?Mcgrath shouldn't even be anywhere near this whole conversation..His record is flawless almost everywhere despite having a chunk of his later career on uber flat pitches..With a no.1 guy like that and a spinner like Warne, the 1-2 punch can be greater than many other solid lineups, and the likes of Gillespie were more than enough to complement the big 2...The first time they got tested in Australia against Inida was when there wasn't any Mcgrath, as with the Ashes 2005 where he got injured
@SARYM911 i wasn't going for the older gen bowlers but the older gen batters. Because the usual gig is: the past gen were like fighting some giants and dragons while the new gen batters are shit without looking at basic data that analysis, overall strength of bowling attacks(as average pacers are coming out better than the previous eras because of talent, better mechanics and funding pool) are a notch harder than what the older gen faced.
@akshaybhatt3378 yeah this absolutely is a much tougher era for batters overall minus some roads in pakistan...Few of the older gen would have transcended even in these conditions..obviously talking about someome like Tendulkar who was really impressive in his last stints in South Africa against a very formindable bowling attack..but yeah the numbers of most past batsmen would have taken a hit
@@SARYM911 true that man. The absolute greats like Sachin and Lara would have been great here too but surely the others would look a bit lower than their past performances
When the ball swings, Starc will destroy no matter the colour of the ball. The issue is that Australian pitches don't really actually favour Starc's bowling style as much as they do for the other two bowlers. He likes to pitch it up, and not bowl into the pitch, like Hazlewood and Cummins do. Boland has better numbers but Starc is really a much more skilled bowler. If he played more in England with the Dukes since the start, he would've had much better numbers because he would've been in the game much longer.
is it fair that some teams play 2 match series and others 3 or 5? and what's the reason behind it? is it because of their overall test rankings or something else entirely?
All those who are wondering why he is an average bowler with red ball it's because he simply is And all those who thinks he's this grear red ball bowler it's because when he is on he's just lethal he can single handedly destroy the opponent that's why he's best but often time he's off color and his aggressiveness tends to favor batsman
Yeah he is very ordinary these days. Although when it comes off, it is majestic. Last Ashes, even with the red ball, coming in after being dropped for the first test, he absolutely carried the Australian bowling attack.
The guy is an impact player. The reason he is in the squad is because of the control that Hazelwood and Cummins offer (Boland too)! He is free to be a bit inconsistent and do his thing. Once in a while he will win you a test on his own and that’s why inconsistency is tolerated.
The thing about Starc is that he perfectly compliments the other two (three if you include Boland). When you've got another 2 blokes in the attack who are metronomic, you want a wild thing style impact player. That's exactly what he is. He's underrated as a roleplayer and we'll miss him when he hangs the boots up
At his prime he was one of the best bowlers in tests from 2014-2018! But last few years he has been avg infact around 2021 he was completely out of form. But since last year ashes he was pretty good and aus's best bowler who helped them draw the series! The current starc just enjoys when the ball swings thats it. Thats why seeming swinging pink ball favours him more since he doesnt have that 150 pace anymore!
What peak are you talking about in test cricket,I have seen this a lot from Indian fans specifically who are scarred by starc in world cups and thus think that's he was a great fast bowler in. Test cricket which he never was barring two years
@Sid-e5y that's what I said his peak. Maybe like most cricket fans u have a short memory. Just see his stats u don't get 350+ test wickets in < 90 test wickets by being avg! That too in australia and not England. At his peak, he was great even in Asian conditions with the reverse swing!
@@Yesaps you are delusional making up stats my guy
But none of the current top ranking bowlers have that consistent 145+ pace
This time he was fast.
that's the problem I have with nostalgia wankers tbh. I mean they love to parade around the older gen of batters facing Mcgrath and Warnie.
But what they fail to understand is that if you make a tally for Aus's best pacers Patty,Haze comes under top 5 and Starc at top 7-8 easily along with the fact that Lyon is no slouch either and by far Aus's second best spinner(not even close to Warnie by a mile but he is easily top 3 spinners of this era).
Overall the new gen faces Patty+Haze+Starc and Lyon and that too on more bowler friendly surfaces in comparison to 00-16 tours of Aus which makes this attack a lot more dangerous than any other.
Sure Mcgrath and Warnie sits around as number 1-2 as the best bowler of any time but the overall attack comes off with Lee,Mcgill,Braken and Bichel type of guys along with the fact that Johnson and Jason were only great in their prime red form and were really off the mark otherwise and the pitches were also legit flat since 03 timeline in Aus.
I don't know..Doesn't the flatness of pitches argument actually work in the favour of the older bowlers?Mcgrath shouldn't even be anywhere near this whole conversation..His record is flawless almost everywhere despite having a chunk of his later career on uber flat pitches..With a no.1 guy like that and a spinner like Warne, the 1-2 punch can be greater than many other solid lineups, and the likes of Gillespie were more than enough to complement the big 2...The first time they got tested in Australia against Inida was when there wasn't any Mcgrath, as with the Ashes 2005 where he got injured
@SARYM911 i wasn't going for the older gen bowlers but the older gen batters.
Because the usual gig is: the past gen were like fighting some giants and dragons while the new gen batters are shit without looking at basic data that analysis, overall strength of bowling attacks(as average pacers are coming out better than the previous eras because of talent, better mechanics and funding pool) are a notch harder than what the older gen faced.
@akshaybhatt3378 yeah this absolutely is a much tougher era for batters overall minus some roads in pakistan...Few of the older gen would have transcended even in these conditions..obviously talking about someome like Tendulkar who was really impressive in his last stints in South Africa against a very formindable bowling attack..but yeah the numbers of most past batsmen would have taken a hit
@@SARYM911 true that man. The absolute greats like Sachin and Lara would have been great here too but surely the others would look a bit lower than their past performances
When the ball swings, Starc will destroy no matter the colour of the ball. The issue is that Australian pitches don't really actually favour Starc's bowling style as much as they do for the other two bowlers. He likes to pitch it up, and not bowl into the pitch, like Hazlewood and Cummins do. Boland has better numbers but Starc is really a much more skilled bowler. If he played more in England with the Dukes since the start, he would've had much better numbers because he would've been in the game much longer.
Jaiswal getting out for a duck to Starc is funny 🤣😂😂
is it fair that some teams play 2 match series and others 3 or 5? and what's the reason behind it? is it because of their overall test rankings or something else entirely?
All those who are wondering why he is an average bowler with red ball it's because he simply is
And all those who thinks he's this grear red ball bowler it's because when he is on he's just lethal he can single handedly destroy the opponent that's why he's best but often time he's off color and his aggressiveness tends to favor batsman
Saying Starc is ordinary in red ball is crazyyy.
yes he is his match factor is 1.01.....looks average to me
Yeah he is very ordinary these days. Although when it comes off, it is majestic. Last Ashes, even with the red ball, coming in after being dropped for the first test, he absolutely carried the Australian bowling attack.
He pops off when his team needs him to.
Numbers don't lie
He's an average red ball bowler
So this is good news for India?
Starc will still be deadly in the rest of the matches, but not as deadly as in the current pink ball in Adelaide?
Why do we need 6 batters? Out of that 4 will get out in single digits. Instead keep a good Allrounder