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  • Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
  • SRAM has ditched the rear derailleur hanger with its brand new T-Type Eagle Transmission 12-speed wireless drivetrains, instead opting to mount the rear derailleur directly to the frame.
    Not only does T-Type lose the derailleur hanger, it also waves goodbye to the conventional limit and b-tension adjustment screws.
    Unsurprisingly, SRAM claims this is its biggest product innovation of all time, but what does it all mean and how does it perform? Tom Law gives you everything you need to know about T-Type, while our senior mountain bike tech editor, Alex Evans, runs you through an in-depth review.
    What do you make of these changes? Has SRAM gone too far? Let us know your thoughts in the comments 👇
    #sram #cycling #newtech
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    00:00 Intro
    00:50 Overview
    03:37 Derailleurs
    07:10 AXS Pod Controllers
    08:33 Cassette & Chain
    10:05 Chainrings, Cranks & Power Meters
    11:15 Performance
    16:34 Does T-Type Live Up To SRAM’s Claims?
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  • @bikeradar
    @bikeradar  Рік тому +6

    What do you make of these changes? Has SRAM gone too far? Let us know your thoughts in the comments 👇

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому +3

      Definitely gone too far by removing the hanger from the equation. Now riders are left with two things to break instead of three.

    • @kuma_score7536
      @kuma_score7536 Рік тому

      they've gone to far, between having it be proprietary at multiple stages and having a large cost to begin with it's just to much.

    • @michaelmechex
      @michaelmechex Рік тому +2

      We'll see. Compatibility with udh exclusively will either persuade more brands to use udh or ditch Sram completely. But what if the entire industry moves to udh and then Sram discontinues it to bury competition? That feature makes this destined to be either a total flop or market domination. Which one it will be is yet to see.

    • @Paganiproductions84
      @Paganiproductions84 Рік тому +3

      Total overpriced engineering crap nobody needs

    • @simonm1447
      @simonm1447 Рік тому +1

      well, I don't know if Sram has gone too far technically. Regarding the price they have, if a drive train costs as much as a decent cat4 entry level fully with an alloy frame it's clearly absurd

  • @NewPolishScientist
    @NewPolishScientist Рік тому +75

    Can't wait for direct mount cassette for better stiffness. If cassette worn you have to replace wheels. It's perfect solution and reduce carbon footprint.

    • @borano2031
      @borano2031 Рік тому +3

      Don´t give SRAM any ideas.... Rgr

    • @marcopaganotto9125
      @marcopaganotto9125 Рік тому +1

      🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Bin done! Intend and HxR made cranks with a freewheel mechanism, with the cassette then fixed to the rear hub, both are cool systems and used a standard cassette, just the hub was basically fixed.

  • @trykpaa
    @trykpaa Рік тому +42

    Heavy, expensive and more flashy than functional. Presumably not compatible with available aftermarket cassettes like Garbaruk?
    These days, the more new stuff is introduced the happier I get with my old stuff.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +3

      Remains to be seen how this works with cassettes like Garbaruk, no doubt the internet engineers will know the answer soon enough!

    • @nelsonsilva6842
      @nelsonsilva6842 Рік тому

      Well go read the bikerummer article, it has more detail than this 18 minute promo video...
      But yes, it's not compatible with previous SRAM eagle.
      If I'm not mistaken only the axs shifters are!

    • @docmccoy9813
      @docmccoy9813 Рік тому

      AMEN

  • @youloveulises
    @youloveulises Рік тому +24

    Shimano: the "groupset of the people" is now electronic and $1800.
    SRAM: Hold my beer....
    🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ What is wrong with these two??

    • @bebopman5
      @bebopman5 Рік тому +1

      I mean, who else is out there? This isn’t in defense of their pricing, just that the competition in the market, outside of those two, is almost non-existent. Literally, SRAM has the only MTB 12 speed electronic groupset (which is now in its second iteration). Shimano hasn’t updated the MTB Di2 yet for some reason (sans their e-bike version), and the Chinese one that popped up a few months ago went silent. There’s no one to punch these guys in the mouth with better pricing and a competent product. It does suck, but that’s why I live for the used market 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @David..
      @David.. Рік тому +9

      Cycling isn’t what it used to be. When I first started riding you had decent economic diversity. Plenty of blue collar guys and executives who got inspired by Lance and bought a Trek and did group rides. Now everyone that gets into the sport is a marketing professional who drives to the ride in a leased Audi.

    • @snappyfish
      @snappyfish Рік тому

      What 😂

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому +1

      @@David.. I see many riders who have no clue on how to work on their own bikes, some of which don't even know how to remove a rear wheel.

  • @bimmerbent
    @bimmerbent Рік тому +35

    Someday the 2x8 drivetrain will return: lighter, quicker shifting, short/tight detailer, less chain hoop, and it will be all the rage!!

    • @yukiko_5051
      @yukiko_5051 Рік тому +2

      Or triple chainrings will become popular again lol

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      #RIPfrontderailleurs

    • @simonm1447
      @simonm1447 Рік тому +4

      Ironically you can get a whole 2/3 x 8 or 2/3 x 9 drive train for the price of a chain for the new Sram system

    • @EricPeelMusic
      @EricPeelMusic 10 місяців тому +3

      1x14 will be the new standard in just a few years. But that will quickly mark the end of the 1x era. Mid-mount gearboxes will takeover from then on and derailleurs will become a thing of the past.

  • @_flyboyblue
    @_flyboyblue Рік тому +16

    The planned obsolescence is strong with this one.

  • @filip000
    @filip000 Рік тому +48

    I've got SRAM on both my road bikes and I love the system. However, this idea of removing the derailleur hanger is just stupid. There is no problem with setting up the B-screw, and having a hanger really DOES help with mitigating risk of breaking either the frame or the derailleur. This is just pointless.

    • @M3GRSD
      @M3GRSD Рік тому +7

      I'd argue that it was stupider to integrate the Quarq PM to the chainrings, which is also made of one piece, making your PM consumable, but what I do know. I love how SRAM works, but lately their ideas are batshit.

    • @austinjacob99
      @austinjacob99 Рік тому +2

      @@M3GRSD surprisingly you can actually remove the chainring from the XX Quarq with integrated ring. You need a special tool, but you can unthread the ring from the powermeter. I was beyond happy to learn this, as that was the main stupid thing I thought they did as well. Thankfully not as dumb as the road powermeter/ring combos they are doing.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +8

      The chainring portion of the power meter can be replaced, so you don't have to replace the whole power meter like you do with their road bike groups

    • @M3GRSD
      @M3GRSD Рік тому

      @@bikeradar I was was referring to Red AXS, and now the new Force AXS chainrings.

    • @jevgeniardassov
      @jevgeniardassov Рік тому +4

      You also need a specific Frame. Good luck Sram. 🤦‍♂️

  • @jasonmorrow5840
    @jasonmorrow5840 Рік тому +29

    I’ll stick with my Shimano SLX/XT drivetrain. Works perfect.

    • @jeroenberger9064
      @jeroenberger9064 Рік тому +3

      Amen brother

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      It's a great setup for sure! We (and SRAM) are not saying everyone needs to throw anything they have at the moment straight in the bin. Far from it. BUT, if you want the latest, best performing drivetrain tech, this is it.

    • @th_js
      @th_js Рік тому

      ​@@bikeradar Best performing on which scale?

    • @eugenedreyer4805
      @eugenedreyer4805 Рік тому

      @@bikeradar until someone else comes along asking you to review the next big thing

    • @joelawton123
      @joelawton123 Рік тому

      @@bikeradar is this a paid for promo piece ?

  • @irwantolesmana5019
    @irwantolesmana5019 Рік тому +38

    I'll stay with the classic simple mechanical and affordable drivetrain 😁

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +5

      There's definitely still a place for simple, cable drivetrains. Shimano's Deore is awesome for the money

    • @Paganiproductions84
      @Paganiproductions84 Рік тому

      @@bikeradar i prefur shimano xt or slx

  • @ThomasHubik
    @ThomasHubik Рік тому +10

    What stops them to make the polly wheel full instead of spoked? It wouldnt jam as well. Seems much easier then having 2 bearing system, as i assume they used here.

    • @v0ldy54
      @v0ldy54 Рік тому +1

      But in that case you couldn't call it "Magic" and charge a fucktillion Euro for it

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      There's only one bearing in the Magic Wheel and a solid pulley could still jam up, it's neat solution to the problem

  • @acelectricalsecurity
    @acelectricalsecurity Рік тому +3

    I ditched the rear mech 18 months ago for a geared hub, and have no plans on going back, less maintenance, less risk of damage and looks a lot better.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Hub gears make sense for some applications, but the added weight, drag and awkward fitting to full suspension bikes are a limiting factor. Great for commuters though!

  • @marcopaganotto9125
    @marcopaganotto9125 Рік тому +10

    As for the "No hanger = No problem" claims.....Hummm..🤔
    Will it survive the "My heavy as fk E-MTB has just decided to fall over and land on the Rear Mech again" situation?
    Because this classic accident happens frequently and typically will bend your Mech Hanger enough to misalign your Rear Mech if it happens even once!
    So with SRAM's new system, all that impact energy is now transferred through the Mech's Direct Mount Clamp, into your lovely Carbon Fibre frame's Rear Dropout?
    We'll be reading about this design and it's faults in approximately 2-3 years from now......

    • @eugenedreyer4805
      @eugenedreyer4805 Рік тому

      precisely

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      It's a valid concern, but having tested the derailleur in seriously tough conditions it's withstood it all with ease. It is so much stronger than a traditional hanger and we've genuinely found any concerns about frame durability to be completely unfounded

    • @The_1ntern3t
      @The_1ntern3t 9 місяців тому +2

      It's not only mounted to the frame, but also to the axle which threads into it. So the axle is going to take the brunt of the forces in that direction. Since the axle is already designed to hold the wheel in all directions it'll just laugh at the bike falling over. It's a valid concern, but they've thought about it.

    • @lifebehindbars4667
      @lifebehindbars4667 4 місяці тому

      ​@@The_1ntern3t you got it

  • @JasonAGregg
    @JasonAGregg Рік тому +4

    The reduction in cassette gearing gaps and chain line change alone would be enough for me to expect a significant improvement in efficiency and performance

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      The gearing gaps are a very noticeable for sure! The jump is a lot nicer up to that big 52t cog, but shifting overall is so much better as well

  • @rahastings1066
    @rahastings1066 Рік тому +1

    Blimey, it’s amazing how many grumpy people are complaining about a system they’ve never ridden that is given a glowing review by bike journalists in this video. Small bends in the hanger cause so many problems for smooth shifting and not everyone has a hanger repair tool. I’ve just been watching a video on UA-cam that showed how tough this system is to impact (Fanatik I think was the channel). This is too expensive for me at present but I’m sure it will drift down to cheaper groupsets eventually. I for one can’t wait until I get a version of this on my bike.

  • @ragu4545
    @ragu4545 Рік тому +3

    New mount to fix increased chain slap on AXS and now with Shimano like hyperglide tech. Wow revolutionary!!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      It definitely fixes the chain slap of the old AXS derailleurs and it's amazing how smooth it shifts, even compared to Hyperglide+

  • @XCRiders
    @XCRiders Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the glowing review, but ouch $2500 for 0 or marginal improvement’s
    (a stretch) to our Pr’s versus high end cable groups.
    Thanks SRAM for the new technology im gonna need to wait a while.

  • @royharley1
    @royharley1 Рік тому

    At 5:53 it looks like a reversed drive chain set up all together. Can you flip the video playback to cause this or is this a right sided transmission?

  • @guillermohoffmann8417
    @guillermohoffmann8417 Рік тому

    Can I use my 2015 Specialized Epic now with an AXS Xo which replaced the old XTR Di2. Can keep using this frame whch is no Boost frame?. Thanks for this great video!

  • @rpaxton443
    @rpaxton443 Рік тому

    Great video,explaining the details of this game changer efficiently. I know I'll get it,either the XX or XO, just how soon is the question since my 2023 Norco Optic hasn't been riden yet.

  • @donutbarbell
    @donutbarbell Рік тому +2

    No mech hanger is a disaster. Can’t wait to hear about frame warranty’s

  • @donjohnson487
    @donjohnson487 Рік тому +1

    Maybe I didn’t hear but are you able to fit the new derailleur on to an old frame that uses a drop? Or does the frame need to be specific for the new derailleur?

    • @TeoSluga
      @TeoSluga Рік тому +1

      Frame with SRAM UDH. I have one, Dartmoor Primal 29 hardtail frame comes with UDH.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      As said, you must have a frame that uses SRAM's UDH hanger. If your bike doesn't there is no way you can fit this to you bike unfortunately.

    • @donjohnson487
      @donjohnson487 Рік тому

      Thanks for the answers 👍🏻

  • @c3N3q
    @c3N3q Рік тому +3

    Well, it's still a derailleur hanging off a bike. Except now if you crash and smash you'll probably need to fix your frame as well. An improvement in functionality that only dentists and sponsored riders can afford. 🤨
    What make is that beautiful green bike in the video?
    My next bike will most definitely have a gearbox.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Trust us, it's super tough and genuinely don't need to worry about the frame. If you manage to break the frame AND derailleur in the same crash, we'd be way more worried about ourselves than the bike!
      The bike is a We Are One Arrival and it rides as well it looks 😍
      Until gearboxes can match the efficiency of a derailleur system, they're going to struggle to take over, but plenty of options out there if that's your jam!

  • @BinManSays87
    @BinManSays87 6 місяців тому

    #bikeradar right I've just got back into riding since black Friday and I'm looking into the XO power meter, I've currently got a dub/egal/GX build and I've I keep seeing the XO power spindle cranks without a BB and I've been wondering if my old (200 miles max) bottom bracket would fit as it's still dub bottom bracket and as it's press fit it's safe to say I really don't want to change it until I medically have to

  • @Gidogeek
    @Gidogeek Рік тому +1

    Will you be able to use the new cranksets with the current gen GX Eagle AXS cassette, detailed & chain? ( like when you want to upgrade to a power meter on the GX AXS)

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      @gidogeek, great question! You can use the new cranksets with older Eagle drivetrains, so if you want to add a power meter you can do.
      However, you can't use older Eagle cranksets with the new T-Type chains and groupsets

    • @Gidogeek
      @Gidogeek Рік тому

      @@bikeradar great! That at least leaves somewhat of an incremental upgrade path

  • @BeaverTerror
    @BeaverTerror 9 місяців тому +1

    Any word for whether the old Eagle and Eagle AXS will be discontinued in the future?

  • @bebopman5
    @bebopman5 Рік тому +2

    I’m eager to see this group in a mullet configuration on a compatible gravel frame (there are a few out there). Also, this makes me wonder how far away a direct mount road group is

    • @EricPeelMusic
      @EricPeelMusic 10 місяців тому +1

      I’m not eager for that at all.

    • @bebopman5
      @bebopman5 10 місяців тому

      @@EricPeelMusic It’s gonna happen. We’re seeing the UDH slowly roll out to a few allroad and road bikes recently. And now with GX transmission at a lower price point, it’s inevitable (in reference to the road group transmission).

  • @TheBarrettCompound
    @TheBarrettCompound Рік тому

    Never thought I'd be looking at wireless shifting, clutches, and transmissions on bicycles. 🤯💥💥💥

  • @thomas-cheng
    @thomas-cheng Рік тому +2

    Ahh, I see bikes are getting super expensive, we need another competitor able to make competitive drivetrains similar to Shimano and SRAM. Maybe Microshift can step it up?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Microshift are making some great products! Shimano's budget stuff is great too, we're looking forward to spending time on their new CUES drivetrain.
      We think its great that technology is being pushed at the highest end and is genuinely an improvement on what's gone before, but the budget end is also way, way better than it used to be.
      Everyone wins no matter how much you want to pay.
      Want the latest, highest performing gear and don't mind paying for the latest and greatest? You're covered and will love it.
      Want something more budget friendly that works 90% as well? You're covered and will love it too!

  • @moozeex1
    @moozeex1 Рік тому +3

    So every time you have a puncture,change tyres,change casette,fix wheels,install brake rotors you'l have to adjust the mech? Nice one SRAM you fixed the problem that never existed and then disguised a masive Inconvenience that it makes by saying its STIFER NOW.

    • @alexevans1424
      @alexevans1424 Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the comment. The setup procedure doesn't have to be completed each time you remove the rear wheel. The setup procedure only needs to be completed when you remove the derailleur, alter chainring size or move the drivetrain from one bike to another.

  • @grantwilliams2912
    @grantwilliams2912 Рік тому

    Does the mech hang loose when the rear wheel is removed?

  • @morrisizing
    @morrisizing Рік тому +3

    The flat top chain making sure you are stuck with Srams less efficient chains.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      If they're more durable though, it's makes sense, particularly for MTB applications. You'll lose way more in efficiency from the amount of mud the chain could be covered in

  • @jeroenberger9064
    @jeroenberger9064 Рік тому +10

    The whole function of the hanger is that when something goes wrong, it breaks before the derailleur breaks. In this case, your derailleur will break. This is a real revolution…not

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      This will keep shifting perfectly well after a hanger would have bent, we cannot state how strong it is! And if you do really break the derailleur most of it can be replaced individually

    • @Thomas..Anderson
      @Thomas..Anderson Місяць тому

      With some luck the frame will snap first and thus save the derailleur.

  • @David..
    @David.. Рік тому +4

    I think they just come up with random stuff that wasn’t really a problem then artificially create a new product to fix a problem that never existed then make all the new parts fit only the new part so you keep having to buy a bunch of crap over and over again.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      You can still buy all their old kit though and the modular nature of T-Type is better than anything out there at the moment. What you already have is great and if you want this, it's an improvement. It'll be a while before SRAM's older AXS and cable groups are no longer available

  • @WesMacaulay
    @WesMacaulay Рік тому +1

    So better shifting performance, at the expense of complete borking the rear triangle of your bike if you smash your derailleur? Heck, half the time with UDH you could even salvage your derailleur if you smashed it on a rock. This ends any hope of that.

  • @jackhammer40k_
    @jackhammer40k_ Рік тому +5

    Nice advert. Bit long tho

  • @zachbogan4674
    @zachbogan4674 Рік тому

    Am I tweaking or is the drivetrain left side Drive at 5:53 ?

  • @andrewmazzer
    @andrewmazzer Рік тому

    So I need a new crankset as well ???
    The chainring mounting pattern should have stayed the same as Eagle previous, would have allowed at least some backward compatibility.

  • @danfresca8033
    @danfresca8033 Рік тому +3

    I just want something that continues to work when you treat it like shit lol

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      This comes pretty close!

  • @happyharry7331
    @happyharry7331 Рік тому +1

    the hanger was always part of the frame with steel frames

  • @amitkumar-wj8gn
    @amitkumar-wj8gn Рік тому +2

    how can a presented look so happy at talking and so uncomfortable in being on camera lol. but jokes apart, you did good. This has shades of 90s TVCs..."Are you tired of your old derailleur" lol

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Tom just likes to throw his arms around, plus his body can't always keep up with his mouth! 🤣

  • @juanrivas4490
    @juanrivas4490 Рік тому

    I thought the arrival didn’t have a Sram udh, how is it that you have the new transmission on it?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the comment. You're right, the current We Are One Arrival isn't compatible with SRAM's Universal Derailleur Hanger. However, the Arrival we used to test SRAM's T-Type Eagle Transmission is a glimpse into its future UDH compatibility; you can expect to UDH compatibility on Arrival frames soon. If you'd like more information, we suggest you speak to We Are One directly.

  • @drooghead
    @drooghead Рік тому +1

    Built in obsolescence. How long before the phone app stops being supported and stops working?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      The app will be around for a long time and to be fair, you only need it for the chain length. If you're buying a bike already equipped and setup, or just replacing a chain, you don't need the app at all in theory

  • @peterk7662
    @peterk7662 Рік тому +2

    This would last me years. I'd take it from bike to bike 😂

  • @323johnnybravo
    @323johnnybravo Рік тому +7

    Um I bought a rebuilt transmission for my car a few years ago for 2k lol

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      My first car cost less than £2k!

    • @323johnnybravo
      @323johnnybravo Рік тому

      @@bikeradar haha same !! First dirt bike too lol

  • @GHinWI
    @GHinWI Рік тому

    I can’t believe they made the infinity clamp so the grip has to be removed to remove the clamp. Ugh.
    Also, it’s “exacerbated”, not “exasperated”.

  • @michaelmann3636
    @michaelmann3636 Рік тому

    Will they make a cassette that fits a Shimano micro spline or will you need a new hub also❓

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      Cassettes all use SRAM's XD standard, so if your hub can be converted to XD from Microspline, you won't need to buy a whole new hub.

  • @msagoo29
    @msagoo29 Рік тому

    What if there's misalignment of frame dropouts, because there's loads of mass produced carbon frames with poor QC, so this could result in poor shifting. Also, the serrated metal washer will eventually grind its way into your carbon frame lol. What also is absorbing the impact of a mech being hit, If not the old trusty 6061 mech hanger? the wheel, hub?

    • @donutbarbell
      @donutbarbell Рік тому +3

      Notice they didn’t respond to this comment 😂

    • @The_1ntern3t
      @The_1ntern3t 9 місяців тому

      If you have a bad quality frame, expect bad quality shifting. "What if I have a Lada? Won't I be able to go F1?"
      The washer won't move, there's a clutch mechanism where it mounts.
      Part of the impact gets absorbed by said clutch. The rest is on the axle, hub, spokes, suspension, and then the frame with the frame only starting to absorb force once the other parts deflect enough. Force wise pretty much what a jump on a hardtail looks like... Once you get to that point on a fully though, any normal derailleur would be stuck in your spokes and you'll have a fun and expensive day with many many repairs anyways. And if your frame costs 10k just get insurance lol

  • @GokkunGuru
    @GokkunGuru Рік тому +2

    Amazing system. Too bad only the chain and controller are the only components backwards compatible with existing AXS. Owners of bike frames without UDH can only salivate. The alloy cranks look fire!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      The alloy cranks are even nicer in the flesh 😍

    • @lastfm4477
      @lastfm4477 6 місяців тому

      What! Not *carbon*?!?

  • @drumist101
    @drumist101 Рік тому +1

    Advent 1x10 looking better everyday

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Great value drivetrain for sure! Not in the same performance league as this though, but still, very good performance for the price

  • @achim007ro
    @achim007ro Рік тому +4

    Is it made of vibranium ??? Wtf price man.. are they mad? You can buy a veeery decent brand new bike for the prife of the cheapest of these... i realy don't get how they get to evaluating the items at these prices...

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      They are not cheap for sure, but as with everything, the newest tech costs the most money at the start before it trickles down to lower levels.
      The first car to get full Apple CarPlay was a near £200k Ferrari FF. Now, 10 years later, a humble £15k city car will get the same tech. It might take the bike industry a bit longer, but eventually, this tech will be trickle down to a far lower price point

  • @ikederpike
    @ikederpike Рік тому +1

    The intro to this sounds like it is reading SRAM copy.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Just be glad Tom didn't lead with the idea of things missing that should be there by presenting this with no trousers on...

  • @SimplePleasuresMTB
    @SimplePleasuresMTB Рік тому

    How about that bike the Srams mounted too? What is that beauty?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      The bike in the studio is a Nukeproof Giga, and the other is a We Are One Arrival 😍

  • @mzmtb
    @mzmtb Рік тому

    The thumbnail says, Hangers are dead...ish next is your carbon frame :D

  • @JoJo-yr6io
    @JoJo-yr6io Рік тому +1

    Could you technically just get the new chain cassette controller and derailleur? And not the crankset and chainring??

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      You can use the new crankset with old Eagle drivetrains, but not the old crankset with T-Type. So you would need to buy the crankset and chainring as well as the chain/cassette/controller/derailleur

  • @XCRiders
    @XCRiders Рік тому

    Oh and what about SRAM universal derailleur hangers??
    I smell an end.

  • @madmonkeycycling9098
    @madmonkeycycling9098 Рік тому +6

    Video needs more hand gestures

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      🤷‍♂️👐🫶🤲🙌👏👍👎👋🙏

  • @vmgmarcus
    @vmgmarcus Рік тому +1

    Looks like a carbon bike killer to me!

  • @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well
    @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well Рік тому

    Now I can buy a AXS rear mech and tell my frame that I am broken.

  • @eugenedreyer4805
    @eugenedreyer4805 Рік тому

    12:36 carbon fibre is soft mate

  • @leekyboy7
    @leekyboy7 Рік тому +2

    Firstly, it’s ‘access’ (SRAM axs’ own description when it first landed) and it’s ‘de-rail-er’ Other than those silly rookie mistakes, good explanation 👍🏼

    • @BikingScot1
      @BikingScot1 Рік тому

      And exasperated? He means exacerbated...

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Tom apologises for his misdemeanours... he has been sent out for hill climb reps as punishment

  • @TeoSluga
    @TeoSluga Рік тому

    You didn't mention the brakes?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      The brakes are only a subtle change as the calipers are still the same, so check out our news story on the website:
      www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-stealth-brakes/

  • @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995
    @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995 Рік тому

    This is really exciting new tech from Sram but the price is prohibitive for most everyday riders.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      It is spendy, but hopefully we'll see it trickle down soon to a lower price point!

  • @redtill1
    @redtill1 Рік тому

    My Vitus sommet with a carbon frame cost me £1800 & they want that much for a drive train & you’ll have to buy a compatible bike ……just for real racers & dentist mtb’ers

  • @the_luki
    @the_luki Рік тому +3

    Shimano xt is still king

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      XT is killer for the money, but taking that out of the equation, in pure performance, we'd say T-Type is better. Bottom line is though that both are amazing drivetrains that perform so, so well!

  • @worldstallestmidget
    @worldstallestmidget Рік тому

    Well ti me it’s all about making money. Just like the 11s stuff is not compatible with the 12s stuff. So buy a while new drivetrain system? It is really new which means it’s gonna be exspensive. Wait a couple years then the prices go down then something else that is not compatible willl be launched! Then the cycle starts all over

  • @ToddNZMTB
    @ToddNZMTB Рік тому +5

    Apple™ drivetrain

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      That's just comparing Apple's to Oranges...

    • @ToddNZMTB
      @ToddNZMTB Рік тому

      @@bikeradar 🤠

  • @soupbums
    @soupbums 11 місяців тому

    Why is a wireless dropper post cost more than this
    This clearly show people are getting ripped off

  • @slowcyclist4324
    @slowcyclist4324 Рік тому +4

    Bike radar comments : omg boo expensive why the change my old wooden mechanical one worked fine
    Vital MTB comments: omg this is amazing. But damn my wallet is going to hurt haha
    Guess even the Archaic roadies have rubbed off on the mtbers here.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      Welcome to the internet!

  • @miroalavcernin1542
    @miroalavcernin1542 Рік тому +3

    Its funny how they now come up with Solutions to problems that wasnt there in 8 speed setup.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      While 8-speed was and is great, we really can't state just how good this is. Love it or hate it, the performance gap is huge. While we get the price is gap is equally huge, in years to come this will possibly become as cheap as 8-speed, be interesting to see how it trickles down!

    • @rossejera1661
      @rossejera1661 6 місяців тому

      Exactly, I have a 12 speed and never is a fan of it. Realistically, Im only using 5-6 gears. Only important is the big ring for climbing and smallest ring.

  • @zaphod_beeblerox
    @zaphod_beeblerox Рік тому

    derailleur meet spokes, spokes meet derailleur, oh yes it will happen

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      We'd be more worried about ourselves if that happened with T-Type! It is seriously tough!

  • @JonathanFisherS
    @JonathanFisherS Рік тому

    So they managed to redesign the whole thing to make it easier on them... with no benefit the consumer. Transmission alignment problems were hardly a problem anyway, and electronic shifting made them pretty much go away. I could maybe see this for road bikes, but it's a stupid idea for MTB. UDH is the way to go.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Older AXS and normal Eagle drivetrains are very, very sensitive to B-tension adjustment, which this removes, so it is way quicker and easier to set up. Most riders would not feel comfortable getting the old drivetrains set up correctly and would need a shop to sort it.
      The benefits are there for sure; better shifting, better durability and above all, if you want another option, you can still use it with a normal UDH hanger.

  • @rahastings1066
    @rahastings1066 Рік тому

    I can understand moaning about price and lack of backwards compatibility though.

  • @hardcheese
    @hardcheese Рік тому +3

    Why do you guys just repeat the marketing of the big companies without any thought at all? The mech hanger is there for a reason. It saves your bike frame from damage. This looks horrendous as all the force of an impact will go straight into your carbon bike!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      It's a valid concern regarding durability, but believe us when we say it is sooooo much stronger than you'd think. You really don't need to worry about damaging the frame 👍
      As for repeating marketing, we test all kit extremely thoroughly and we're not afraid to say if we think something is bad. In this case, our experiences on the trail tally with SRAM's claims; it works exactly as they claim 👏

    • @hardcheese
      @hardcheese Рік тому +2

      @@bikeradar doesn’t matter if the rear mech is strong. The energy has to go somewhere and that will mean your frame is damaged instead no??

    • @rossejera1661
      @rossejera1661 6 місяців тому

      @@hardcheese yep, Id rather save my frame than the derailleur and hanger which is easy to replace and doesnt cost as much

  • @futurememeudontgetyet1202
    @futurememeudontgetyet1202 Рік тому +1

    Don't get why people keep saying ŠCHRAM. Where does it even come from? It's not in the name.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Potato? Patato?

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      Even worse, there are some that pronounce it as S-RAM or S-SRAM, like, where on Earth do you see a second letter S??

  • @mustclime5311
    @mustclime5311 Рік тому +1

    derailleur hangers were made to fail for a reason, get a stick in your spokes that grabs the derailleur and twists it around. the frame seat stay is going to be what fails. No way in hell would I buy this crap.

  • @kaygee6502
    @kaygee6502 Рік тому +1

    Nice!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      It looks sooooo good in the flesh! And the performance is 👌

  • @buildingreno
    @buildingreno Рік тому +1

    Those are such dumb prices!!

  • @Thomas..Anderson
    @Thomas..Anderson Місяць тому

    Why can't I get rid of the feeling I just watched a paid commercial?

  • @marcopaganotto9125
    @marcopaganotto9125 Рік тому

    What the hell is that horrific looking blob on the handlebars?!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      You mean the pod controllers?

  • @puppet-head
    @puppet-head Рік тому +3

    Why?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Progress, it is a BIG step up from anything else on the market in terms of performance. Expensive? Yes. But for those who want the best, it is the best.

    • @eugenedreyer4805
      @eugenedreyer4805 Рік тому

      @@bikeradar blx

    • @Penalist
      @Penalist Рік тому

      @@eugenedreyer4805 Elaborate, please.

    • @eugenedreyer4805
      @eugenedreyer4805 Рік тому

      @@Penalist how can he argue that a product that has just been launched is ‘the best’?

    • @Penalist
      @Penalist Рік тому

      @@eugenedreyer4805 Have you watched the video before commenting your very well considered comment?... He says they have have been riding and testing it for quite a while already.

  • @RiseShine604
    @RiseShine604 Рік тому +4

    Good breakdown - wow, looks awesome. It makes a lot of sense to me and I look forward to trying this out eventually but I'm not selling my bike just yet. It's funny how many people oppose progress. Of course it's expensive; this it groundbreaking tech but it will have a trickle-down that everyone benefits from in the coming years. Nice work Sram. I look forward to a full review of the gorgeous We Are One Arrival and those Convergence wheels...

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Keep an eye out for a We Are One review! All we'll say for now is that it rides as good as it looks 🤤

  • @RoderickRickerson
    @RoderickRickerson 11 місяців тому

    No tools to remove? isn't it easy to get stolen?

  • @RichieB636
    @RichieB636 Рік тому

    The amount of muppets I see on super bikes these days, ebikes included, the drivetrain is in no way a limiting factor.

  • @bjf5027
    @bjf5027 Рік тому

    They really need to bring back the thumbs down button.

  • @docmccoy9813
    @docmccoy9813 Рік тому

    It's funny that the industry makes or tries to make their products "idiot proof" but didn't realie that idiots are not usually the moat wealthy. Or are they?

  • @ivofaustino
    @ivofaustino Рік тому +3

    Dislike not the vidio but the prices

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      They are eye watering, but if it leads to cheaper versions, its all good!

  • @FishBulb1226
    @FishBulb1226 Рік тому

    There's no 'H' in SRAM. It's not "SHRAM".

  • @chrisprice2200
    @chrisprice2200 Рік тому

    “Drastically improved shifting”? Was the old tech garbage?

  • @turner02
    @turner02 Рік тому +2

    I don’t like this at all.

  • @MtbPoland
    @MtbPoland Рік тому

    Nope, for 99% of normal riders, hangers will remain...only rich can afford new bikes every Year

  • @jrclad2964
    @jrclad2964 Рік тому

    Not with my money !

  • @pedrolahoz
    @pedrolahoz Рік тому

    It seems sram’s strategy is to make mechanics’ job easier, at the expense of all else. Mechanics will then encourage customers towards the brand. Sram also seems to be pushing towards a more, disposable industry; ‘doesnt shift properly?’ To the trash bin, buy a new one. Horror for cyclist romantics, but cycling is now fashion, and fashion is overnight, disposable and without a cost logic.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      It will make mechanics jobs easier, but it will be easier for consumers to work on their own bikes too.
      T-Type also has more spares available than previous derailleurs, has replaceable parts and without every brand having to produce their own hanger, if anything we'd say its the opposite of disposable.
      Chains and cassettes that last longer need to be replaced less often too.

    • @pedrolahoz
      @pedrolahoz Рік тому

      The public has the last word, I feel this will be a niche product, which to use requires a big initial investment from the consumer, with limited compatibility with whatever one already owns. Cycling as RC are intrinsically hobby activities, not fancy cars, or portable computing devices. Sram is working on removing the “hobbiness” of this sport, and I believe they will probably find a good niche of mechanically illiterate cyclists, who deserve to ride, but not at the expense of “kidneys”.

  • @cypriano8763
    @cypriano8763 Рік тому

    here we go again, another incompatible new part designed to force riders to buy a new bike. bs. now you need a new super expensive deraileur everytime it hits a rock, great

  • @berki1618
    @berki1618 Рік тому

    Can someone please tell this guy to stop say deraiLLEUR. Its deraieur. Americans😭

  • @benhelder7525
    @benhelder7525 Рік тому +1

    Why does the presenter need to talk like a robot? made me stop the video after a few minutes, very annoying

  • @bjf5027
    @bjf5027 Рік тому

    More unnecessary "upgrades"

  • @HanMoP
    @HanMoP 11 місяців тому

    Why can't you speak normal with a flow of words in sentences? This staccato hammering of syllables is annoying. The information get lost in translation.

  • @GP3391
    @GP3391 Рік тому +1

    Did anyone notice that at just before 6 mins there was a left hand drive system......😮😂@bikeRadar

  • @cjschmitt4882
    @cjschmitt4882 10 місяців тому

    Funny how this is changing the world of MTB when it is archaic before it was released.