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Bromo, this is too funny 😂 eric asks you if you know a SUPER obscure but meaningful song that any resonable, modern, young person would NOT know 😂. No, -Eric begins to play the song with, dare I say, style?- 🤣
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Can you honestly answer the first three questions below? Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
@ChrisWillx, listen, don’t listen to @Ianidas300. I’m not into meditation because it’s for people who want to j/o in public but… Dudes “practices” aren’t going to include, speak out-loud when playing to anyone who isn’t Big G. God is the only entity you could expect to be able to hear your thoughts. I’m not sure even G can hear your thoughts, tho. If you want praying to “work” you probably need to SPEAK your hopes, desires, and gratitude.
I really appreciate the spaces of silence in this interview. It takes a lot of courage to let silence exist in this form of content. It gives the listeners time to contemplate the discussion just as much as the participants.
One of my favorite things about the 2 of you talking together are the long silent pauses. It's a lost art to quietly think before you open your mouth. I really appreciate depth of thoughtfulness.
Modern TV talk shows are all about the "sound bites". They treat everything like a sport talk with people talking over one another. It such a relief to find an interview that does not feel rushed.
Chris, as a person who used to believe that religion was a virus, I can say for certain that when your life depends on it, it doesn't matter how small your faith is. I am an alcoholic, been sober for a couple of years, and it all started when my AA sponsor told me that in order to stay sober, I needed to start praying daily, and that he didn't care if I believed God was listening, just that I prayed. At first it did feel disingenuous, but that discomfort was a tiny price to pay for the possibility of remaining sober. Now it's beyond belief, I know that God is real, He sent His Son Jesus to die for my sins, and His Holy Spirit is what saves me from my alcoholism, one day at a time. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, and may God bless you on your journey!
Amen! Stay strong and thank you for praising god and his will! He has you and will not let go! No matter what. Even in your darkest days, he is still there.
I grew up Catholic, our family never spoke of God at home or in the car. Jesus name was never spoken other than being in a manger once a year. Later on, I developed a nicotine addiction that had me in a stranglehold for 14 years. I heard a gospel preacher saying that I should pray in Jesus name. For me, that meant praying directly to Jesus. Jesus removed my addiction from me, he made me happy without nicotine. He continued to answer prayers for me in a miraculous way. He drew me to himself by helping me when I couldn’t help myself. One day, I was overwhelmed with the aspect that he was real, and not only real, but generous and good. I realized that I had dishonored him my entire life, and purposed to honor him from that day forward. I can honestly say that my faith in Christ is not even faith anymore. I know him, we have a relationship. I do my best to convince people to seek him with their whole heart through God’s Word. But it’s like Eric said, they are afraid of what they will find and what they will have to give up. I was once a slave of sin and my own autonomy, now I’m a slave of righteousness and addicted to his Word.
@@extratroppo437 The context is two atheists talking about the benefits of religion as a civilizing mythos without understanding that it was the God of the Bible, not random religion, that caused the results they are missing. Sad!
It is the first time for me listening to an atheist who is not dismissive or plain disrespectful of religious people. It was a refreshing interview that I enjoyed not so much for the arguments brought forward, but rather the thought provoking exchange.
Penn Jillet the magician is also an atheist that is not hostile to people talking religion to him. Not only respects you, but expects you to do so if you say you are a Christian.
From a Catholic man, fallen from the church and certain that God had deserted me when I held my daughter as she took her last breath, this gives me hope.
Wow, I can't imagine your suffering. I watch my boys grow in faith (and science, and all of it), and I know the world sucks, and it eats us alive, and it worries me. I also know that the Creator intended a much better way. A walk together in the garden in the cool of the day.
At about 3:20 in the afternoon of Friday the 22nd of October in 2010, I was standing in the road beside a burning car that contained my wife and son. It was only my faith in God and an afterlife that kept me together, in that moment and the weeks after.
My oldest son had a heart/lung transplant when he was 17. He lived almost 5 years. When he died, I cried out to God and said, "I have buried my son! I HAVE BURIED MY SON!" I couldn't wrap my mind around it. The Lord spoke to me so gently and said, " I know. I buried Mine too." I thought about that for a few minutes, and then I said (because I needed the God of the universe to know just how much I was suffering!) "But You got Yours back three days later....." And again, with the greatest of compassion, He spoke to my heart and said, "Yes. And that's why I got yours immediately." I had been a Christian for many years at that point, but that was the moment the Gospel jumped to life for me. He died, so Jordan didn't have too. He simply went from life on earth to life in heaven. It's been 20 years and I still miss him every single day. But I know I will see him again and that he will be the one who greets me when it's my turn to cross over.
I agree with you when you say “the world doesn’t need religion. It needs Christ.” But what the world needs is fellowship with likeminded people to share Christ with, and to keep us grounded in our faith when it shakes. Recommendation - read the book of Acts. In His eternal love.
I use to say I had no faith, and then I realised that I had faith in lots of things I had no real reason to believe in. Then, I had an experience that taught me that faith is a journey and it starts with a step and it lead to humbleness, reverence and respect for the devine.
"Weakness of the mind;" that is so apt. As if your mind, yours individually, must be strong and perfect and right, always. The men in the video (atheists) are questioning the value of all that came before. Is their humility not a strength? Be honest.
I really love these conversations between Chris and Eric. Notice if you feel uncomfortable when there's a long silence in the conversation. They are truly listening to one another deeply, much is communicated in those silences. Well done, Chris, and congratulations on the growth of your channel. You deserve it.
@@MyChihuahua Exactly and Eric is testing him and his knowledge by letting the silence linger and not jumping to explanation when the silence hits. Eric is trying to see how deep he should make this conversation, he likely doesn't want to take him into the deep end but at the same time knows that it is an interview so he takes him a bit deeper than he likely would if they were in just a normal conversation.
I began praying every morning about 2 years ago. I'm noticeably better for it. I've been Christian my whole life, but making prayer a habit is a whole other level. It's a beautiful thing.
Amen to that! It's a discipline I struggle with, but each time I fall away I see that life is less sweet, and so I come back and find that He has been there all the time, letting me do my own thing, but meeting me with such kindness and wisdom when I finally come back.
To say that as a man growing up in America, that you have never had a religious experience or have been "moved by the spirit" is amazing. I can remember growing up the stores used to be closed on Sundays.
@@davidtimmerman3121 being delusional is not the point. For 2000 years we have been living this way, changed the calendar to show it. America was formed by it, and it's gone in 1 or 2 generations is the point.
when I was weak in my faith, Mark 9:24 resonated with me " .....Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!" January 2017 everything changed, when it all came together that it is ALL real and true. The more I researched (including Greek, Hebrew and early church fathers ) the more solid and unshakeable my faith has become.
As a believer when I look around at this vast universe, the changing of the seasons, the human body and how it functions it’s more reason for me to believe that God exist than not. If I loose a finger modern science cannot replace that finger or any body parts like the one God gave me. “ THOSE WHO SEEK ME SHALL FIND ME” Jeremiah 29:13
Eric is one of my favorite human beings to listen to. I was raised Christian and accepted Christ. I grew up and went to college. I became an Electrical Engineer. I had my doubts though I never completely lost my faith. I had a professor tell me that if you want to be religious you have to leave that out of science. I thought he was making fun of religious people until he told us he was Christian and went to church every Sunday. I understand what he means now and I think he was saying the flip side of what Eric was saying. I’m older and hopefully wiser now and I’ve never been stronger in my faith. I think even an atheist living out the teachings of Christ could find peace and happiness even if they didn’t truly believe. I would bet they would find faith sooner than later but that’s just my opinion.
"if you want to be religious you have to leave that out of science" It all depends how you see the whole of reality. it also depends on how see each domain. Carpentry is a domain, yet I wouldn't go "heavy" with religion while engage with it. Ponder the significance of: The earth is the Lord's and the *fullness* thereof of. "Fullness" means more than material.
I've never thought there was any conflict between science and religion. There is, of course, between false religion and science, or religion and false or misunderstood science, or the caricature of religion that so many make of it. I don't think God created things through some kind of woo woo magic, but by understanding the laws of physics, having mastered them completely as if He had created them Himself. Or perhaps He created the laws of not only this Universe, but others. For anything to exist, there must be some stable principles upon which it exists. I see God, angels, etc. as the most advanced civilization in existence, having mastered the laws & principles of matter, time and energy to the ultimate degree, or a degree that we can't yet imagine. If we are ever able to continually progress in our knowledge of science without destroying ourselves, we would eventually get to a point where no more progress was possible without mastering perfect morality and human relationships. And once we master those, we can progress on, to higher dimensional realities, the secrets of time, and traveling infinite distances in an instant. If there is anything that holds science back, it's the assumptions that [1] physical matter at our vibration level is the only thing "real", and [2] that future knowledge & discoveries must be consistent with what we "know" now.
Practising "Love Thy Neighbour" or the Buddha's "8 fold path" or the Sanatan "Vasudeva Kutumbakam" will make joy arise in one' s life. Seekers are inevitably going to discover contentment.....that is the highest point of evolution?? But then again... maybe not😅
I just discovered Eric a few days ago and he resonates on every level: science, society, and now second tier spirituality and music! He has a passionate confidence and tranquility like I’ve never seen.
I grew up before Vatican II, I was also a Nerd-child who studied Latin. So I've always understood the Latin Mass and find it a very special way to connect with the Divine - but not the only way. I still sing in Gregorian Chant choirs
Note that Vatican II as such did not eliminate Latin from the Mass. There's nothing stopping a priest from saying the Mass in Latin (albeit, according to the new order) except that many people (Boomers in particular) would complain.
“When Jesus had entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, ‘Who is this?’ The crowds replied, ‘This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.’” Matthew 21:10-11 “They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.” NIV Matthew 21:46 Jesus said “Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown.” Luke 4:24 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. Acts 3:13 “One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.” Luke 6:12 “And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.’” Matthew 26:39 “They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, ‘Sit here while I pray.’” Mark 14:32 Jesus was speaking in Aramaic and was a Muslim (a person that totally submitted to Allah) and he prayed to Allah. Go to any Aramaic Online Dictionary and type the word “God”. You will be shocked to see it’s “Allah”. Jesus NEVER said anywhere in the Bible “I am God” or “Worship me.
Proof of God : In Quran Ayats rarely ends with letter "H" but in Surah al Shams (Sun), all the ayats (verses) ends with letter "H". And Sun is made of Hydrogen(H) and Helium(He).
About religion. Wow Eric. Powerful insight. I just finished my first original recording/mix, my first attempt at Christian lyrics. I was stunned when I heard your statements about ‘prayer’, because my lyrics put it out there- all about the humility of having a conversation with God, and to do that, a person must shed arrogance, ego, and the illusion of strength. Psychologically, we get down on our knees…
“Religion is interested in you whether or not you give a shit. It knows who you are and finds its way into every aspect of your life. And if you’re going to be an honest atheist, you have to admit that.” Having been an atheist for many years and then a born again Christian, this is a very powerful statement for me to hear. I have no interest in being preachy or trying to covert anyone. But having been on both sides, it definitely resonates with me.
Songs and art referencing old books with mostly made up stuff isn't a great argument to just be religious. The very religious following those books would completely reject the even older stories and traditions some of those old stories have been recycled from. Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc. etc. ideas of god(s), afterlife, etc...the Abrahamic religious folks would quickly dismiss and openly mock as 'myths'...and their (sometimes similar) Abrahamic stories as real truth... it's all the same category of made up stuff by people thousands of years ago to a rational person. Trace it back enough, and you're at some Neanderthal or other person from 30k years ago or more suggested the sun is alive and has emotions...and it went forward from there.
When I finally read the bible with an intention to learn, rather than confirm what I thought I already knew, I was astounded at what I found there. I do indeed find myself known in ways and parts I myself had been ignorant of. And as I have listened and learned, I've changed, and my relationships with those around me have changed, and so has my relationship with this beautiful world of ours. Still feel like I'm just beginning. There is such Joy to be had in a walk with God - I'm so glad I chose that path when he graciously laid 2 happy successful paths in front of me - one with Him, one without. No coercion, just a simple question - "Do you want to do this with me or by yourself?" The way with Him glittered ahead with the promise of so many moments of joyful encounter and discovery - as if the sun was catching diamonds scattered on the ground. I've never regretted that choice. God himself is the reward - a Joy that cannot be matched.
It certainly is interested in you. You join or bad things happen. You stay in line or bad things happen... that's been the norm for thousands of years...and is now still in dozens of countries. When states finally took away their ability to physically punish in the west, they still would ostracize people from communities, publicly shame people who didn't donate enough, demand tax payers support their structures and festivals, etc. They are VERY interested in anyone they can do something to or take something from.
There’s a difference between secular prayer and religious prayer. Prayer is scientifically proven to have beneficial effects on mental health, with or without a belief in God.
I am a Christian, Jesus walked, taught, was crucified as the true Passover Lamb, a sacrifice for the sins of those who put faith in Him, them raised Himself on the third day to prove He was who He claimed to be, God incarnate. I loved this conversation. Though I mourn for those who struggle to find faith, God is at work and it's fascinating to watch. Great conversation.
@@travisanderson3801 life is always stranger and more interesting than fiction, my friend. You may understand it intellectually first, and before you know it (me being a former determinist atheist and then a sort of agnostic Christian apologist, to now full Christian) it would surprise you the power of humble prayer and taking that a leap of faith for lack of better term. You are revealed things even even you seek theology that satiates your intellectual desire before receiving invitations to go further. Take the chance. If you have intellectual hurdles, like I did, seek those with answers. Bishop Robert Barron was pretty instrumental for me and has a lovely youtube channel. Very intelligent man that helps elucidate Christian theology and cuts through the obnoxious strawmanning you usually find with skeptics. I being one of them formerly as well.
@@travisanderson3801It is a wild story. The truth is hard to accept. Jesus was persecuted by the most ‘holy’ men (Pharisees) at the time. The Jews wanted him crucified because he pointed out their hypocrisy, but he was the real deal. Humble, wise, and helped the poor and truly disabled.
WELL PUFFY? THAN BE AFRAID TO GET, THE HELP FROM AS YOU WOULD SAY, FROM LIFE TOO! BECAUSE ALL THINGS DO HAPPEN, FOR ALL THINGS HAVE A REASIN WHY IT HAPPENS AS THEY DO!
I'm a vocalist, and this makes me realize that I need to study the lyrics of what I sing way more! I'm not nearly as smart as this man, but I would love to have a conversation with him.
Great choice of a word. Mesmerizing. Attributed to Franz Mesmer. Later used to describe hypnosis. The world has been hypnotized by so-called Religion, and now it's as lost as it was on the first day. Fumbling in the dark AND claiming 'we know' what we're doing. No, we don't.
This is really refreshing. I am a Christian but was agnostic for most of my life. People don't realize the ramifications of having an entire society void of faith
People do know what it’s like to watch someone massively overgeneralize. They also know what it’s like to watch an entire society be led astray by their beliefs.
Have fair rules. We have surveillance cameras and forensics now. Just tell people they actually can and will be punished by other people if they go against the rules. No omnipresent being or afterlife made up is necessary now. Plenty of other societies had religion, too. Societies you wouldn't want to live in. It's made up as people go along, and goes off the rails terribly once in a while. And remember what has happened when Abrahamic religions actually had direct power in Europe and elsewhere...like heretic burnings because 'they don't kneel at church, and we do' types of differences between groups.
I definitely see more people realising some of the less obvious things that were got rid of when people decided they could do without faith - community, inter-generational contact, service, fellowship, shared worship, communal prayer, neighbourliness - we all do these things in part but without a compelling and uniting story and shared experience it become something a minority engages in when they feel like it, and it starts to get too much for the few to carry... Not many yet connect the issues in society with their own decisions - I think most are still living off the inheritance of their faithful forebears without realising that inheritance is dwindling fast. Just because everyone did a really poor job of following the teachings of Jesus for 2000 years, doesn't mean that a world where people have stopped trying looks any better...
Im a Buddhist but I do believe we still have common ground? We are both believing in Love and Compassion and about bringing Spiritual awareness to this world! God Bless you!
if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the least he can do is hint as to how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.
@GeraldBrofloski You do need it to know that the there is evil in this world that is real and is set on destroying everything good that man creates and the Church is standing against that evil. You do need the Church as an institution that can give you the stamp of baptism which in turn gives you not only everlasting life (through the belief in Jesus Christ), but a guiding spirit that allows you to be aware and stand against the present evil, among other things.
If that is true, it is proof positive that he wasn't quite right in his head. Nobody ever received enough evidence to know. Being 100% convinced of something is not "knowing".
I heard Eric say, “ I think Vatican two was a mistake…”. Immediately it struck me between the eyes. He was right in many respects. A celebration that had brought people into unity all around the world in one language and there’s mystery in the chants that although not completely understood, was a powerful prayer in itself.
It is the vibration and rhythm of the words that actually make my cells quiver and heart flutter in response, in Latin or especially The Hawaiian language. It feels like God moving through me. Great discussion.
From the time I could talk , I prayed to Jesus bc I was afraid of the dark , I talked to Him though I’ve never seen him and His Spirit is always with me. I think it’s cool that he was a Jewish man living in Israel . I visited Israel to see where he lived and I felt Him there everywhere I went.
Philippians 2:5-11 [5]In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: [6]Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; [7]rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. [8]And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross! [9]Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, [10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11]and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I couldn’t either. When I look through the lens of Jesus’s teachings and the life he lived it provokes me to sorta have this conversation with myself. Am I here to live for myself or live for others. Obviously that doesn’t mean abandon your responsibilities and not desire good things in life. However it’s you realizing you are not here for just your own pleasures and self absorbed life. Does he want you to enjoy life? Well of course. But how are we making it a better place for others and not just our own little bubble. Actually when we do that, we inherently teach our kids that no one else matters, but our family and if everyone else in the world acted that way it’s pretty selfish and could very well feed narcissism. I don’t think we can create our own definition of how to live life which is why I believe Jesus role modeled the best way. Which is die to live.
Probably have about 150 hours of Eric in my brain. He is one of the most brilliant folks i can think of. His brother is also very intriguing person. His insights, combined with wisdom is sometimes overwhelming. 'Tell me more' Eric, tell me more about everything please. 🙏
Eric is like my dad, he can pick the guitar, sing all the words to the best of the 1950's and 60s , even the 70s rock and blues and country... man, what a gift to the world Eric is with his talents, but furthermore the ability to steadily and concisely deliver unbiased and diplomatic answers to Chris' questions, but also leave room for the listener to think and absorb without hurried projected delivery of opinion. Eric provides a manner of cool, calm and collected behavior that enriches my ever growing quiver of knowledge arrows... one of my very favorite people to learn from ! Thank you Chris ! This was another excellent podcast ! we need to get you into the world of the 1960s and 70s rock and roll!! :)
10:25 It's the Catholic Latin Mass, and it's growing in popularity with young people all over the world. (It's not a separate denomination: it's Catholicism using a form of the Sunday Mass that was universal until the early '60s.)
My Mom was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school up till 9th grade. Until recently i had never thought about the fact that with her age she probably saw the change. Mass was in Latin until she was something like 10 years old.
I attend an FSSP parish. We have 3 packed Sunday Masses every week as well as daily mass and confession with Exposition and Adoration every week. Our priests are young, as are the parishioners. Women are veiled and modest in dress. Large families are the norm. We are the future of the Catholic Church.
I’m one of those old people. You don’t need to “know” Latin to “get” the Latin Mass. There are books and there’s even an app (Laudate) that has the Latin/English on the same page so you can follow along. As a child, the Latin was taken away, churches were basically sacked, music dumbed down, etc. I attend a diocesan Traditional Latin Mass in east Tennessee.
@15:36 - "Religion is interested in you whether or not you give a sh*t. It knows about you and it finds its way into every aspect of your life and if you're going to be an honest atheist you have to admit that." That's not "religion" - that's God. Every person, within our immaterial selves, has a spot reserved for God. We choose whether or not God fills that spot.
Amen. I actually appreciate this conversation. People have to start somewhere, and a lot of this seems to be fumbling in the dark - absolutely not meant as a criticism, as that’s precisely what most of us are doing. But the word “God” is what’s missing here. The cultural and religious talking points are all very well, but without the personal relationship with God, none of it means anything.
Actually, it is “religion”, too, in the sense that western civilization was overwhelmingly brought to us by the Catholic Church, whether or not people like to admit that. In fact, the Church even preserved a huuuuuhe amount of stuff from classical antiquity and incorporated Aristotelian logic into theology and doctrine. Scientific inquiry burgeoned after the birth of Christianity because of the Christian belief that learning the truth about God’s creation was good (and that truth was never a threat). Our music and art, our universities, hospitals, militaries, legal systems, the elimination of chattel slavery and recognition of basic human rights of the poorest people, etc., etc, you name it, it came from the Catholic Church. And then things started getting crazy and complicated in the 1500s, etc. So my point is that whether or not one realizes it or is a believer in Christ, one is hugely affected by the affects of the Catholic religion and her assumptions and teachings over time.
@@Allabertina That is indeed another excellent way to pray. But don’t knock the rosary. The rosary, properly prayed, is anything but a case of “vain repetitions”. For example, when I pray the rosary I do a combination of different things. I concentrate closely on the actual words/meaning of what I’m saying. I also say different kinds of prayers (ex: of thanks, or repentance, or a prayer of petition for myself or for someone else). And I also spend part of the time contemplating the various mysteries of Christianity, and I consider them through the eyes of Mary. I do this because Mary, on behalf of humankind, has always accepted God’s will in perfect obedience and cooperation with Him. I could go on, and I would, but I have to go. But honestly, I would recommend the rosary even if you’re not Catholic; it is a very powerful meditative prayer. (And if the Hail, Holy Queen prayer bugs you, read about Blessed Herbert, the author. That completely changed how I felt about it.) May the Lord richly bless you and yours.
“Early religions were like muddy ponds with lots of foliage. Concealed there, the fish of the soul could splash and feed. Eventually, however, religions became aquariums. Then hatcheries. From farm fingerling to frozen fish stick is a short swim.” ― Tom Robbins, Skinny Legs and All
@@r.mucklin1703 You can't possibly know what or how deeply I believed. You're presuming it based on you preconceived notions. To state that you feel sorry for someone that is not asking for your sympathy is an insult. There is necessarily superficiality in every belief system that explains its parts as mysteries. Calling them mysteries gives the appearance of depth while providing no depth at all.
@@r.mucklin1703 My guy we call this type of reasoning a 'no true scotsman' fallacy. No need to be so dismissive. Here's a thought experiment: What about Christian doctrines that like Calvanism, i.e. once you're saved then you're always saved? Are they not genuine believers either? Instead of being dismissive why not seek to understand their point of view?
@@jaredprince4772 No apology and no sympathy from me. You can say anything you wish, but if it's said in public I can also say how I feel about what you said.
He says “ There is something disingenuous to praying to something that you don’t believe.” But there is also absolutely classic, beautiful, sublime prayer, “I believe Lord. Help my unbelief.” You don’t have to be 100% all in to pray. If you are 1%, go for it!
He was already the more composed of the Weinstein brothers but this quiet and strong faith in the spirit of things is something that sold be a part of every community. Some times church isn't like that. My community Church went to Muslim bashing last time I visited. There's no love in the Muslim God he said. What about all the times Muslims have helped people. I'm alive because of some young Kuwaiti boys I met once how about that. No reply
I'm not religious, but I have to confess, every time I hear a really good version of "How Great Thou Art," it sends chills down my spine. On another note, I'm struck by how often Eric asks Chris if he's familiar with a particular song or artist, and the answer always seems to be no. Poor guy is tragically uninformed about music.
I never get to hear it but i thank you god as arranged by Gwyneth Walker is a moving choral piece with piano. You have to hear it live to really feel it.
Psalm 14:1 states clearly: The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God." Can you reason with a fool? We all struggle in this earthly journey, but it's good to hear an honest conversation with people sharing their struggles with faith and God and trying to understand it all. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. I leave you with this verse of scripture: "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6. He rewards those who EARNESTLY SEEK HIM.
We are grateful for our Jewish roots. God has truly blessed them with amazing brains, talents, and they are the Apple of his eye. Jesus, He is a person who loves his children.
First of all, that is not absolutely true. Not everyone who earnestly seeks God is rewarded. As such religion fails to provide reliable guidance and cosmological stability, leaving merely a cute story and a psychological hack.
Do you not think it is possible for someone to have earnestly sought after God and found nothing there? I promise you, they exist. It's very easy to dismiss people you don't agree with by calling them fools; it's much harder to try to understand other people with different life experiences. People observe those life experiences and make different conclusions than each other all the time. Thought-terminating cliches like "they are just fools" rob you of the ability to understand your fellow humans and widen your perspective. I'm happy you found a faith that is fulfilling for you. I'm also happy that others find fulfillment elsewhere. Be well.
“This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.” Dalai Lama
Chris is a wonderful example of a person who is willing to listen, who is open to learning about people and their perspectives, who exercises a genuine curiosity in what matters to others. I applaud Chris and his excellent long form interviews. I think social media benefits immensely from this sterling example of dispassionate and respectful discourse. I’m just a poor boy in the sticks of East Texas. For what it’s worth, very well done, Chris! A hearty and sincere well done.
Hundreds of years ago after a full week of working the fields, going to church is an escape to God's royal & majestic court and honored as a member of the universal and timeless divine family. Even the least amongst us are important to God.
You’re always a gentleman and super patient with guests as they find their way in and out of explaining thoughts and feelings about all the topics… great show!
I am compelled to listen to these interviews with Eric, simply because what he says so eloquently helps me to further process my own thinking and perceptions of many issues I confront in this life. This elaboration on religion was helpful to me, (as my own views are always in development and tend to be confusing to other people who either rigidly adhere to their doctrine or totally reject any mention of religion altogether so I don't tend to express my own views publicly) but they are very close to what Eric was discussing here.
A cynic might say it’s a good time to start a church, temple or some other religious structure(concrete and abstract). We are vulnerable creatures when we are scared. 💸
It's a big mistake to think that we automatically understand someone else's words or explanations. The meaning that person has for the words they use, does not travel with the words to the person they're talking to. When we hear someone's words, we organize them, and extract what they mean to US. In most cases we don't quite hear what the other person is saying unless it's mundane, or cliche'. I don't remember ever being able to match my meaning by finding the right words, for anything beyond the mundane and cliche'. I always have to settle for words that can only give a clunky and vague sense of what I'm trying to say. And you can't communicate an experience the other person never had.
William until we allow ourself to open our heart we are in fear. It requires courage to leave what we know even if that is pain. An Australian expression might help ... have a go. What do you have to lose? The unexpectedness of love fills one completely and is worth 'having a go', otherwise regret will settle in your soul. All is grist to the mill.
The Church that is in Latin is the pre-Vatican Catholic Chruch. As a little girl being raised as a protestant, I often stood outside the local Catholic Church to listen to the Latin Mass, and it was BEAUTIFUL!!! I didn't understand the words but it was mystical and touched me in ways that are hard to explain. Language is actually very superficial and trite, and it's impossible to get the gist of the mystical or metaphysical in language. This is why we need myth and legends that explain in story what we can't explain in our hearts. To read the Bible verbatum is to only understand it on a very superficial level, which often leaves us cold and wanting. But to study with a great teacher is profoundly eye opening. We have some great teachers today, including Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager, and after this discussion I think Eric is much deeper than I ever thought he would be. When I've told friends that I prefer opera where I don't understand the words, they look at me as if I'm crazy; I'm not. I like to get the basic outline of an opera plot and then let the music itself tell the story without language getting in the way and making it just another trite love story.
want to feel the hair rise on your neck? try this one with a set of good headphones: the Byzantine Imperial Hymn. deeply moving what is truly a prayer to St Mary, patron saint of Constantinople.
Well, I think it is much the same way as you can't deny the fact that placebo is largely effective, if the person believes it is. Even if you know that placebos don't literally work.
Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door shall be opened until you. If you're looking for God, wanting to find Him, He will open your eyes to the truth.
@@coolcat23 you realize we have the documents dating back to 150 BCE... We can see if it is edited. I didn't come here to argue with you, though you seem to want to argue with me over the internet. If you would like to Know God, read His word. If you don't, know one is forcing you. Be Blessed.
I love seeing self professed atheist show interest, lamentation, and experimentation towards faith in the Devine. It's very encouraging. God Bless them
Jase, what do you think “Take the log out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to see what is in your brother’s” is all about? The Christian faith, if it is anything, is a continual exercise in self-examination and renewal into the removal of unjustifiable biases. You should try it.
@@jase123111 I think you'll find that in today's world there are a great many people who won't tolerate that idea either... and they don't have any faith. Perhaps, it's not as simple as saying that a particular category of people have the cognitive bias / dissonance, rather that humans have that tendency and it can show up where you least expect it - even in some parts of the scientific community (Heresy, I know).
Songs and art referencing old books with mostly made up stuff isn't a great argument to just be religious. The very religious following those books would completely reject the even older stories and traditions some of those old stories have been recycled from. Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc. etc. ideas of god(s), afterlife, etc...the Abrahamic religious folks would quickly dismiss and openly mock as 'myths'...and their (sometimes similar) Abrahamic stories as real truth... it's all the same category of made up stuff by people thousands of years ago to a rational person. Trace it back enough, and you're at some Neanderthal or other person from 30k years ago or more suggested the sun is alive and has emotions...and it went forward from there.
Without hyperbole, one of the best videos on UA-cam. This tenor of discussion would bring this broken world together if everyone could suspend their fearful tribalism for half a second.
If we wait until we have faith to pray, we might never have faith. We cannot know someone if we never talk to them. We don't come to know God by ignoring him. Faith is a gift, and gifts are rarely given by strangers. Pray whether you believe or not.
@@susan6722 surely though you’re assuming intentionality I’m not believing. That’s not your call to make. In any other situation, talking to someone you don’t think is there would be called madness. But ahh, are you saying it’s different with religion??
@@peterwestwood2307 I don't judge anyone nor do I make assumptions. There are people who don't believe and feel no need or desire to believe. They tell me this. There are those who don't believe but want to believe. Again, they tell me this. To the latter I say to pray, there is nothing to lose by trying.
Post-modernism tenets: 3) a questioning of reality and representation (there is no truth, it's all fake news), 4) a critique of “metanarratives”(counter-storytelling. All history, literature, religion is wrong/biased) 5) an argument against method and evaluation (fundamentally anti- Enlightenment) 6) a focus upon power relations and hegemony, (regularly rebranded as “structuralism”, “post structuralism”) 7) a general critique of Western institutions and knowledge. A critique of liberalism. (Kuznar 2008:78).
2:24 Do you know why Joy To The World is made of the descending scale? It is Joy, the Lord Himself, descending from heaven to come to earth. Very intentional. It is the intention behind the music that moves you, not merely the notes.
My Mother goes to church every Sunday. She is 78. Catches up with her friends, goes out alot and seems to be making the most of her life in a wholesome and I dare say old fashioned way. I couldn't be happier, but its not me. Sometimes, I wish it was.
@@Rza383I’m not sure what Felix was talking about, but those people (at least parts of them) are alive in all of us. We are all human (which is a euphemism for “we/I are/am not perfect”) it’s recognizing the faults in oneself. IMO
@@MattHabermehl I already explained that when you're a member of an organisation you are identified with its complete history. In the case of the christian churches that includes the mass murders of nonbelievers, the torture and incarceration of apostates. The christian churches all very loudly demand that their sheep repent their sins but you don't hear any apology from current church leaders for those sins of the past except for the mass rape of boys and girls by clergy which seems too recent to swipe under the carpet.
I lived until i was 36 without religion. Since I returned to the Catholic Church (i am a cradle Catholic but i got confirmed at 36) I have a wife and a son and a parish i belong to. It is the best decision i ever made
I was a born and fled Catholic, but I found my way back and am SO grateful I did, especially with how dark and terrifying this world has become. I pray without ceasing for mine and all children of this world. God is not going to stop what is coming, but He will guide His children on how to survive and rebuild. Blessings to you and yours Brother in Christ.
As a third generation atheist I absolutely love singing "Amazing Grace", and with a feel that once shocked a Christian friend I didn't know was a believer. She asked me how I did it, how it was possible, and it's just the love of a beautifully written song, and being able to breathe life into it❤
This guy is so wise, I heard him a few times on Rogan but didnt appreciate him until hearing this clip. @Chris Williamson I am going to give you some props as a first time listener, you had a way of bringing this gem of dialogue out of Eric Weinstein in a way that even Joe couldnt and I am a massive JRE fan. Also he is right, faith is instinctual. It is buried in all of us somewhere whether we like it or not, just a matter of where we place it. A lack of faith for most people comes from fear of ridicule. For others it comes from pride. What I see everyday from these podcasts is that the greatest thinkers are now plowing a once ignored field of thought on religion, and it is awesome to listen to.
@@mackprime6975 That Christianity was the best thing that ever happened to the world and that just about all of our values we hold dear derive from it.
As an atheist, I still am deeply moved by religious music, especially the appalachian style gospel. It preaches a certain faith that comes from hard living and the thought of persevering in the face of tragedy. That kind of faith resonates with they way an atheist feels when the going gets tough. Human faith is something we all have in one way or another.
I’ve long thought the modern Western world often harbors a secular bias that marginalizes religious experiences through oversimplification and commercialism. And the “spiritual but not religious” narrative reflects a disillusionment with organized religion but also suggests a longing for a connection to something greater than oneself. Eric does a better job than I at effectively highlighting the benefits of our capacity to harness this power to tap into the whole - by whatever name you choose to call it is less important.
@@CaptainPhilosophicalNew Age mumbo jumbo. It’s not really a new concept but an old one. Ignorance of A God who had finally made himself known in the form of one named Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
@@cdeep4548 lol. Lahiri wasn't new age. You're funny. Your opinion doesn't match my experience. “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do." Jesus Stop selling yourself short. Do the work and you too can be just as great or greater!
@@CaptainPhilosophical Hinduism, Buddhism, etc etc is adopted and and adapted into New Age whether you like to believe it or not. This is what I find so interesting about people who don’t know Jesus. Contextually out of touch with what scripture is a common sign. And yes we have a completely different experience, I will agree with you on that one.
That closing remark is so true. As someone who was a Christian, became an atheist, and now is agnostic I have found spiritual experiences have a way of popping up in my life. Not sure if that's exactly what Eric meant, but that's been my experience.
@@matthewmiddletn9856that’s just confirmation bias. There’s no evidence of this at all. You believe in God so anything that happens, you just assert it is God with no backing. We don’t know it certainly wasn’t God but it seems very unlikely
@@timb350 That's been an assumption based on archeological discovery about people groups over thousands of years. So, I would say a reasonable assumption! Then again, one could choose to ignore the evidence.
@@u2bewatcher159 it written by humans thousands of yeasr ago , it MUST be TRUE RIGHT? and HUMANS have never wanted to control each other RIGHT? OOWW WATCH OUT FOR THE DEVIL EVERY ONE
Contemplation of God is perhaps the highest form of prayer, but not all meditation is contemplation (Lectio divina, for instance, is meditation, or the Ignatian spiritual exercises) and not all contemplation is of God himself.
I think of Eric as encyclopediac in his approach to music. His discussion of religiosity in music falls short when he invokes Hendrix. Surely he knows that Dylan is the author of AATW, and Dylan's lyrics are rife with spiritual meaning, making Eric's point not so revelatory.
My [then atheist] son asked me once, “What if you live your whole life Mom, and in the end nothing you believed was real?” My answer was this, “How would living a moral, faithful life be for not? However, if in the end, you wake up staring into God’s face…you will be ‘up a creek without a paddle.’” I believe because I can’t fathom the alternative.
those of us who don't believe in bronze age mythology and are moral are WAY ahead of you. also, if the created god of man turns it to exist, he'll forgive me because he's all-forgiving.
It's not about tricking yourself to believe. God knows the path you walk, piece by piece plaster comes off the walls of everyone's hearts when it comes to this. You may not feel this way now but with an open mind one day you will just feel it. The joy that a person can feel is beyond words and even though we are living in sin and are human we will fall and repent and he will be there regardless. That is agave!
The truly open mind honestly and sincerely considers ideas that don't align with its own views. This is how humans grow and evolve, not only in knowledge but also in philosophy and in character. The alternative is to latch onto an idea, carve it in stone, and place it on a pedestal where, now, the adherent mindlessly chants their favorite hymns and prayers at anything that dares to disagree with that dogma. This is the context in which I appreciate Eric saying to Chris, *"IF* you're going to be an *honest* atheist..." Because to be anything less is to be dishonest, intellectually speaking.
We are in a cultural shift right now where millennials like me are returning to pre Vatican 2 Latin mass and it’s changing our lives. I just can’t understand why the pope is locking us out.
What is so surprising about that? An atheist Jew has every right to express his opinion on any subject he wants to say something about. Evidently Eric is well read enough to have an opinion about a lot of subjects, this being just one of them. Good for him!
@@r.mucklin1703 I think he’s just making the point it’s not typical for anyone outside the church to know about these things much less to care. Atheists in particular.
I love Joy to the World. Many confuse joy with happiness. Happiness is fleeting and temporary. Joy can be with you even in hard and down times. God's word differentiates them.
If some people think that being cynical and arrogant makes them appear intelligent, that's ok. People who actually are intelligent have no problem spotting them.
Chris, they just had their last Latin mass at the cathedral in downtown Austin. I’m so sorry you missed it. It’s no longer allowed😢it’s called the Triditen mass
Eric is a deep spirit. True religion is the radical coming to terms with ultimate reality, and reality is inescapable, whether we refuse to orient ourselves towards it or not.
Amazing to see Eric say he identifies as atheist. Having grown up in the south and attending church at least twice a week, I can tell you Jesus and God are real. Have to have the eyes to see and the ears to hear. I’ve seen the presence in my life when I had forgotten what I learned in church. Praise God I have found my way back.
I have musical anhedonia. It's a condition where you don't have any emotional response to music. The cause is the reward-auditory cortex interaction in the brain being screwed up. I can appreciate the complexity of music, I can appreciate the lyrics, but I have no emotional response to the music. Listening to music has never brought me any joy or happiness. It is difficult for me to relate to everyone else sometimes because music is so important to culture. I recently found out from some friends that people remember music that was played in movies and shows in different scenes. I was stunned because I honestly don't remember any of the music when I'm remembering a scene. It really bums me out sometimes that I'm missing out on something that clearly brings so many people happiness.
That is fascinating! I have learned something new from you again. I just looked up more details about the condition. This led me to try to imagine hearing music without feeling it. I guess it would be like watching a movie without a soundtrack. While it is a deficit in one way, it is an asset in another. One is much less able to be propagandised and far more able to see fact from fiction when emotion is removed from music. Without John Williams's musical score, Star Wars really isn't that good. Thank you for broadening my knowledge even more, friend. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@prycelessly No problem! I guess it's kind of like watching a movie without a soundtrack. I can still hear the soundtrack, it just doesn't affect my emotional experience of the scene. I think it's more like hearing traffic noise instead of music, like it's there but it doesn't affect anything. I didn't realize music is used in propaganda, that's interesting!
@ZyroZoro Music has been used as a tool to propagandise to evoke emotional responses to help sell ideas throughout history in many capacities, from selling people on fighting wars to buying sneakers. Here's an article if you want to read more about it: (I tried posting the link to it, but it would not post) Propaganda with feeling - music as an instrument of social purpose Scientists study the emotions triggered by music through the ages
@@irenehuxter9733 Because he is not God. He doesn't have the power to do such a thing. He only wants to teach us how to live a better life in this planet.
@@witdamagik I am making a point. My point is that any debate about Jesus is a waste of time. In today world what we need to save this planet from the destruction of making and have a better life is to follow Jesus teaching about how to live with each other.
I’m a Christian. I’m not in a religion. I’m in a relationship with Jesus Christ. Religion won’t get you to heaven but a relationship with Jesus Christ will!
If Jesus Christ founded a Church, wouldn’t you have to submit to her though? Imagine if a husband built his wife an amazing house with all the provisions that she and their children would ever need, but the wife refused to live in that house because she didn’t like the colors of the wall or how the orange light falls on her eyes at dusk when she sits on the porch. So instead she lives outside in an RV she rented, which she can move around and modify as she likes. Would you call that a loving relationship? Saying you have a relationship with Jesus Christ without submitting to the Church that He established lovingly for us would be quite like that.
@@MJArcilla-nn1ct No. The Church is the Bride and Christ is the Groom. The wife submits to the husband. As a member of the church (meaning Christ-followers, not an organized religion), we submit to Christ. His Word tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, and we call that "church," but the true church is simply all those who follow Christ.
The last point that Eric made was profound. He is so close to the Truth. It’s not religion that permeates every aspect of your life. It is the Holy Ghost-The Spirit. All he has to do is choose to believe, and the Truth will set him free.
Chris - Your content is next level and this conversation was truly important. I would encourage you not to cheat yourself by treating Weinstein's questions in this conversation as mere rhetoric.
I really don't get Eric's point. Traditional religion is/was popular, so of course it is woven into so many aspects of our culture. But there's nothing magical about it. The fact is, life has inherent meaning, apart from traditional religion, and we can and should celebrate and explore that meaning through art, music, philosophy, and community.
That's some weak sauce right there. You aren't required to be a Christian because Newton was, anymore than you are required to be a Muslim for using Arabic numerals. Was it the Almighty that revealed the truth of gravity to Newton? Or Newton using science?
@@carsonland6874 Using science can easily just be reverse engineering what God has created. You're not actually creating anything unless the building blocks of nature have been provided to you. All Newton has done was interpret something that everyone can already experience. He didn't use science to invent something, he just explained it. If I tell you how a car was design and how it operates, does that make me better than the ones that created it? Does it give me credit for it's discovery? I'm obviously being a bit extreme, but all science is at the end of the day, is people explaining things that already exist. You're never required to be religious, that's why it's called faith. By the way, I don't go to church or anything, I just don't think the difference is science or religion. they are hand in hand. In fact, in the bible when God is explaining to Moses what he's doing for the Israelites he says he will give certain ones amongst them gifts of black smith, or medicine, crafts for clothing etc etc. So you could.. coouuulldd argue if you're religious that God is in fact giving the gift of intelligence to the select few such as Newton, Einstein etc to understand how the universe works. Doesn't mean God didn't create it.
@carsonland6874 Newton's philosophy which led to science was based in Christianity. In fact, what we call 'scientists' today were called 'natural philosophers', in contrast to 'moral philosophers'. Hence, the title of Newton's book: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy. By the way, the Arabic numerals had Indian origins. Arguably even Phoenician/Hebrew origins, for that matter.
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Bromo, this is too funny 😂 eric asks you if you know a SUPER obscure but meaningful song that any resonable, modern, young person would NOT know 😂. No, -Eric begins to play the song with, dare I say, style?-
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New Covenant Whole Gospel: Can you honestly answer the first three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Chris, I live in Austin and would love to sit down and walk you through the meditative practices that turn mindfulness and turn it into prayer
@ChrisWillx, listen, don’t listen to @Ianidas300. I’m not into meditation because it’s for people who want to j/o in public but… Dudes “practices” aren’t going to include, speak out-loud when playing to anyone who isn’t Big G.
God is the only entity you could expect to be able to hear your thoughts. I’m not sure even G can hear your thoughts, tho. If you want praying to “work” you probably need to SPEAK your hopes, desires, and gratitude.
@@maTT-He-SLiP lol
I really appreciate the spaces of silence in this interview. It takes a lot of courage to let silence exist in this form of content. It gives the listeners time to contemplate the discussion just as much as the participants.
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I agree
As Eric said, great music made by pausing or emphasis, so goes great conversation.
I think they're deliberately edited in for pacing.
I get it, but there is also a pause button
One of my favorite things about the 2 of you talking together are the long silent pauses. It's a lost art to quietly think before you open your mouth. I really appreciate depth of thoughtfulness.
Very good point
I noticed and agree with you. It's comforting.
Have an ice cream 🍦 😊😋🤗.
Yeah Eric pauses the host doesn't get nervous it's a comfortable silence and I wish I was comfortable in the silence I'm not but I can learn
Modern TV talk shows are all about the "sound bites". They treat everything like a sport talk with people talking over one another. It such a relief to find an interview that does not feel rushed.
Chris, as a person who used to believe that religion was a virus, I can say for certain that when your life depends on it, it doesn't matter how small your faith is. I am an alcoholic, been sober for a couple of years, and it all started when my AA sponsor told me that in order to stay sober, I needed to start praying daily, and that he didn't care if I believed God was listening, just that I prayed. At first it did feel disingenuous, but that discomfort was a tiny price to pay for the possibility of remaining sober. Now it's beyond belief, I know that God is real, He sent His Son Jesus to die for my sins, and His Holy Spirit is what saves me from my alcoholism, one day at a time. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, and may God bless you on your journey!
Totally, absolutely 100% true! I’m so happy for you, Michael!
Be blessed and covered. Thank you for your testimony. I’ll be free too from addiction in Jesus’ name. Amen 🙏🏾
Amen! Stay strong and thank you for praising god and his will! He has you and will not let go! No matter what. Even in your darkest days, he is still there.
@@BFjordsman
Because for a true alcoholic, it is only through the supernatural that we are sober.
You either understand that, or you don't.
I grew up Catholic, our family never spoke of God at home or in the car. Jesus name was never spoken other than being in a manger once a year. Later on, I developed a nicotine addiction that had me in a stranglehold for 14 years. I heard a gospel preacher saying that I should pray in Jesus name. For me, that meant praying directly to Jesus. Jesus removed my addiction from me, he made me happy without nicotine. He continued to answer prayers for me in a miraculous way. He drew me to himself by helping me when I couldn’t help myself. One day, I was overwhelmed with the aspect that he was real, and not only real, but generous and good. I realized that I had dishonored him my entire life, and purposed to honor him from that day forward. I can honestly say that my faith in Christ is not even faith anymore. I know him, we have a relationship. I do my best to convince people to seek him with their whole heart through God’s Word. But it’s like Eric said, they are afraid of what they will find and what they will have to give up. I was once a slave of sin and my own autonomy, now I’m a slave of righteousness and addicted to his Word.
" Religion is interested in you whether you believe in it or not" That is a profound statement and it's a keeper.
No it isn’t.
And stupid and a lie. God is interested in everybody but He only saves those that choose to believe. "Religion" accomplishes nothing.
maybe I missed some context, but what is he talking about there?
@@extratroppo437 The context is two atheists talking about the benefits of religion as a civilizing mythos without understanding that it was the God of the Bible, not random religion, that caused the results they are missing. Sad!
Yes! I love that statement! ☀️
It is the first time for me listening to an atheist who is not dismissive or plain disrespectful of religious people. It was a refreshing interview that I enjoyed not so much for the arguments brought forward, but rather the thought provoking exchange.
Penn Jillet the magician is also an atheist that is not hostile to people talking religion to him. Not only respects you, but expects you to do so if you say you are a Christian.
@Brad
You sound like the Joker he is talking about in “All Along the Watch Tower”
From a Catholic man, fallen from the church and certain that God had deserted me when I held my daughter as she took her last breath, this gives me hope.
Wow, I can't imagine your suffering. I watch my boys grow in faith (and science, and all of it), and I know the world sucks, and it eats us alive, and it worries me. I also know that the Creator intended a much better way. A walk together in the garden in the cool of the day.
At about 3:20 in the afternoon of Friday the 22nd of October in 2010, I was standing in the road beside a burning car that contained my wife and son. It was only my faith in God and an afterlife that kept me together, in that moment and the weeks after.
My oldest son had a heart/lung transplant when he was 17. He lived almost 5 years. When he died, I cried out to God and said, "I have buried my son! I HAVE BURIED MY SON!" I couldn't wrap my mind around it. The Lord spoke to me so gently and said, " I know. I buried Mine too." I thought about that for a few minutes, and then I said (because I needed the God of the universe to know just how much I was suffering!) "But You got Yours back three days later....." And again, with the greatest of compassion, He spoke to my heart and said, "Yes. And that's why I got yours immediately." I had been a Christian for many years at that point, but that was the moment the Gospel jumped to life for me. He died, so Jordan didn't have too. He simply went from life on earth to life in heaven. It's been 20 years and I still miss him every single day. But I know I will see him again and that he will be the one who greets me when it's my turn to cross over.
It's heartbreaking when your child dies, but it's much worse if you believe death is the end, and you'll never see her/him again.
@@catherinezoller4451to reunions 😥🕊️ stay strong and keep up the race.
He, an atheist, did one of the most beautiful acts of grace I have ever seen.
The World doesn’t need religion. It needs Christ.
❤❤❤
He's not a total atheist he "flits in and out" 👍🏻
And Christ it shall have. To have and to hold. ❤️
Jesus was executed for bringing an end of religion.
I agree with you when you say “the world doesn’t need religion. It needs Christ.” But what the world needs is fellowship with likeminded people to share Christ with, and to keep us grounded in our faith when it shakes. Recommendation - read the book of Acts. In His eternal love.
I could listen to these two gentlemen all day. Every day. The epitome of human brilliance and honesty.
Fr 👍
Try focusing on the Word of the Lord
I use to say I had no faith, and then I realised that I had faith in lots of things I had no real reason to believe in. Then, I had an experience that taught me that faith is a journey and it starts with a step and it lead to humbleness, reverence and respect for the devine.
Well said my friend.
Faith is weakness of the mind.
@@Apistevist Spoken like a true Reddit tier atheist
"Weakness of the mind;" that is so apt. As if your mind, yours individually, must be strong and perfect and right, always. The men in the video (atheists) are questioning the value of all that came before. Is their humility not a strength? Be honest.
How do you define “faith”?
I really love these conversations between Chris and Eric. Notice if you feel uncomfortable when there's a long silence in the conversation. They are truly listening to one another deeply, much is communicated in those silences. Well done, Chris, and congratulations on the growth of your channel. You deserve it.
Good point about the comfortable silence. A sign of a truly open and exploratory conversation.
Because Chris has no response and can't admit he has no idea about the cultural references Eric is making.
@@MyChihuahua Exactly and Eric is testing him and his knowledge by letting the silence linger and not jumping to explanation when the silence hits. Eric is trying to see how deep he should make this conversation, he likely doesn't want to take him into the deep end but at the same time knows that it is an interview so he takes him a bit deeper than he likely would if they were in just a normal conversation.
I began praying every morning about 2 years ago. I'm noticeably better for it.
I've been Christian my whole life, but making prayer a habit is a whole other level. It's a beautiful thing.
It is :)
I've been meditating for 2 years and I'm better for it.
Amen to that! It's a discipline I struggle with, but each time I fall away I see that life is less sweet, and so I come back and find that He has been there all the time, letting me do my own thing, but meeting me with such kindness and wisdom when I finally come back.
Prayer is the art of talking meditation Is thee art of listening
You shouldn't have one without the other
I pray for an hour every night right before sleep and I read a devotional first thing in the morning. It really does make a difference
To say that as a man growing up in America, that you have never had a religious experience or have been "moved by the spirit" is amazing.
I can remember growing up the stores used to be closed on Sundays.
I remember that too. Our nations have increasingly moved toward godlessness, to our detriment.
Sunday was for family and going to church, I loved that, wish we could do that today, that was a happy time
sorry, man. some of us are not delusional.
@@davidtimmerman3121 Deeming it 'delusional' is your opinion.
@@davidtimmerman3121 being delusional is not the point.
For 2000 years we have been living this way, changed the calendar to show it. America was formed by it, and it's gone in 1 or 2 generations is the point.
when I was weak in my faith, Mark 9:24 resonated with me " .....Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!"
January 2017 everything changed, when it all came together that it is ALL real and true.
The more I researched (including Greek, Hebrew and early church fathers ) the more solid and unshakeable my faith has become.
Yes…he is real my brother.🥰
As a believer when I look around at this vast universe, the changing of the seasons, the human body and how it functions it’s more reason for me to believe that God exist than not. If I loose a finger modern science cannot replace that finger or any body parts like the one God gave me. “ THOSE WHO SEEK ME SHALL FIND ME” Jeremiah 29:13
Eric is one of my favorite human beings to listen to. I was raised Christian and accepted Christ. I grew up and went to college. I became an Electrical Engineer. I had my doubts though I never completely lost my faith. I had a professor tell me that if you want to be religious you have to leave that out of science. I thought he was making fun of religious people until he told us he was Christian and went to church every Sunday. I understand what he means now and I think he was saying the flip side of what Eric was saying. I’m older and hopefully wiser now and I’ve never been stronger in my faith. I think even an atheist living out the teachings of Christ could find peace and happiness even if they didn’t truly believe. I would bet they would find faith sooner than later but that’s just my opinion.
"if you want to be religious you have to leave that out of science"
It all depends how you see the whole of reality. it also depends on how see each domain. Carpentry is a domain, yet I wouldn't go "heavy" with religion while engage with it.
Ponder the significance of: The earth is the Lord's and the *fullness* thereof of. "Fullness" means more than material.
I've never thought there was any conflict between science and religion. There is, of course, between false religion and science, or religion and false or misunderstood science, or the caricature of religion that so many make of it. I don't think God created things through some kind of woo woo magic, but by understanding the laws of physics, having mastered them completely as if He had created them Himself. Or perhaps He created the laws of not only this Universe, but others. For anything to exist, there must be some stable principles upon which it exists. I see God, angels, etc. as the most advanced civilization in existence, having mastered the laws & principles of matter, time and energy to the ultimate degree, or a degree that we can't yet imagine.
If we are ever able to continually progress in our knowledge of science without destroying ourselves, we would eventually get to a point where no more progress was possible without mastering perfect morality and human relationships. And once we master those, we can progress on, to higher dimensional realities, the secrets of time, and traveling infinite distances in an instant. If there is anything that holds science back, it's the assumptions that [1] physical matter at our vibration level is the only thing "real", and [2] that future knowledge & discoveries must be consistent with what we "know" now.
The character of Jesus wasn't the first to preach basic morality and certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it.
They have the appearance of godliness but lack the power of it
Practising "Love Thy Neighbour" or the Buddha's "8 fold path" or the Sanatan "Vasudeva Kutumbakam"
will make joy arise in one' s life.
Seekers are inevitably going to discover contentment.....that is the highest point of evolution?? But then again... maybe not😅
The silences as part of the interview were very aprópiate while talking about music and pray, pause is so underrated🙏🏻💖
It can also be a tool used to control.
I just discovered Eric a few days ago and he resonates on every level: science, society, and now second tier spirituality and music! He has a passionate confidence and tranquility like I’ve never seen.
I get the Latin Mass thing, i love Gregorian Chants, can't understand a word but it doesn't matter, it moves me.
Agreed. It's a right brain experience
I grew up before Vatican II, I was also a Nerd-child who studied Latin. So I've always understood the Latin Mass and find it a very special way to connect with the Divine - but not the only way. I still sing in Gregorian Chant choirs
There are lots of websites that will teach you what the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is and provide translations.
Note that Vatican II as such did not eliminate Latin from the Mass.
There's nothing stopping a priest from saying the Mass in Latin (albeit, according to the new order) except that many people (Boomers in particular) would complain.
As long as what you don’t understand is hopefully not an EVIL chant?
“What is mind? Does it matter? What is matter? Never mind.” Homer Simpson to Bart.
Super obscure pull, wonderfully executed.
BKs own, Sir Guy?
This is actually a common saying from Victorian England to refute the Darwinian ideas of evolution.
@@swanee22 But what if mind.... really does matter?
- Hey Vsauce, Michael here
@I.I.I....IoI....I.I.I no it doesnt lol
One never makes a mistake by letting Christ in your life 🤍☦️
Why let a fictional, dogmatic and disproven fake Messiah ruin your life like it has ruined the lives of millions of people?
“When Jesus had entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, ‘Who is this?’ The crowds replied, ‘This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.’” Matthew 21:10-11
“They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.” NIV Matthew 21:46
Jesus said “Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown.” Luke 4:24
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. Acts 3:13
“One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.” Luke 6:12
“And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.’” Matthew 26:39
“They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, ‘Sit here while I pray.’” Mark 14:32
Jesus was speaking in Aramaic and was a Muslim (a person that totally submitted to Allah) and he prayed to Allah. Go to any Aramaic Online Dictionary and type the word “God”. You will be shocked to see it’s “Allah”. Jesus NEVER said anywhere in the Bible “I am God” or “Worship me.
Proof of God : In Quran Ayats rarely ends with letter "H" but in Surah al Shams (Sun), all the ayats (verses) ends with letter "H". And Sun is made of Hydrogen(H) and Helium(He).
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Amen 🙌🏻
About religion. Wow Eric. Powerful insight. I just finished my first original recording/mix, my first attempt at Christian lyrics. I was stunned when I heard your statements about ‘prayer’, because my lyrics put it out there- all about the humility of having a conversation with God, and to do that, a person must shed arrogance, ego, and the illusion of strength. Psychologically, we get down on our knees…
“Religion is interested in you whether or not you give a shit. It knows who you are and finds its way into every aspect of your life. And if you’re going to be an honest atheist, you have to admit that.”
Having been an atheist for many years and then a born again Christian, this is a very powerful statement for me to hear. I have no interest in being preachy or trying to covert anyone. But having been on both sides, it definitely resonates with me.
Songs and art referencing old books with mostly made up stuff isn't a great argument to just be religious. The very religious following those books would completely reject the even older stories and traditions some of those old stories have been recycled from. Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc. etc. ideas of god(s), afterlife, etc...the Abrahamic religious folks would quickly dismiss and openly mock as 'myths'...and their (sometimes similar) Abrahamic stories as real truth... it's all the same category of made up stuff by people thousands of years ago to a rational person.
Trace it back enough, and you're at some Neanderthal or other person from 30k years ago or more suggested the sun is alive and has emotions...and it went forward from there.
When I finally read the bible with an intention to learn, rather than confirm what I thought I already knew, I was astounded at what I found there. I do indeed find myself known in ways and parts I myself had been ignorant of. And as I have listened and learned, I've changed, and my relationships with those around me have changed, and so has my relationship with this beautiful world of ours. Still feel like I'm just beginning. There is such Joy to be had in a walk with God - I'm so glad I chose that path when he graciously laid 2 happy successful paths in front of me - one with Him, one without. No coercion, just a simple question - "Do you want to do this with me or by yourself?" The way with Him glittered ahead with the promise of so many moments of joyful encounter and discovery - as if the sun was catching diamonds scattered on the ground. I've never regretted that choice. God himself is the reward - a Joy that cannot be matched.
It certainly is interested in you. You join or bad things happen. You stay in line or bad things happen... that's been the norm for thousands of years...and is now still in dozens of countries.
When states finally took away their ability to physically punish in the west, they still would ostracize people from communities, publicly shame people who didn't donate enough, demand tax payers support their structures and festivals, etc.
They are VERY interested in anyone they can do something to or take something from.
There’s a difference between secular prayer and religious prayer. Prayer is scientifically proven to have beneficial effects on mental health, with or without a belief in God.
"Religion is interested in you whether you give a shit or not." True, because without 'fresh converts', religion dies.
I am a Christian, Jesus walked, taught, was crucified as the true Passover Lamb, a sacrifice for the sins of those who put faith in Him, them raised Himself on the third day to prove He was who He claimed to be, God incarnate. I loved this conversation. Though I mourn for those who struggle to find faith, God is at work and it's fascinating to watch. Great conversation.
Pretty wild story to have faith in, so not surprising no one has the energy to keep trying to believe it.
@@travisanderson3801You don’t have to. Love God. Love People. JESUS never called us to “be Christians”.
@@travisanderson3801 life is always stranger and more interesting than fiction, my friend. You may understand it intellectually first, and before you know it (me being a former determinist atheist and then a sort of agnostic Christian apologist, to now full Christian) it would surprise you the power of humble prayer and taking that a leap of faith for lack of better term. You are revealed things even even you seek theology that satiates your intellectual desire before receiving invitations to go further. Take the chance. If you have intellectual hurdles, like I did, seek those with answers. Bishop Robert Barron was pretty instrumental for me and has a lovely youtube channel. Very intelligent man that helps elucidate Christian theology and cuts through the obnoxious strawmanning you usually find with skeptics. I being one of them formerly as well.
How did you find it?
@@travisanderson3801It is a wild story. The truth is hard to accept. Jesus was persecuted by the most ‘holy’ men (Pharisees) at the time. The Jews wanted him crucified because he pointed out their hypocrisy, but he was the real deal. Humble, wise, and helped the poor and truly disabled.
"I think we're afraid to pray." What a statement.
WELL PUFFY? THAN BE AFRAID TO GET, THE HELP FROM AS YOU WOULD SAY, FROM LIFE TOO! BECAUSE ALL THINGS DO HAPPEN, FOR ALL THINGS HAVE A REASIN WHY IT HAPPENS AS THEY DO!
I wonder if we humans instinctively know we’re unworthy in our unrepentant fallen state are unworthy of coming before our Divine Creator ?
I'm a vocalist, and this makes me realize that I need to study the lyrics of what I sing way more! I'm not nearly as smart as this man, but I would love to have a conversation with him.
I'm agnostic, but that conversation was mesmerizing. Very good stuff here.
Great choice of a word. Mesmerizing. Attributed to Franz Mesmer. Later used to describe hypnosis. The world has been hypnotized by so-called Religion, and now it's as lost as it was on the first day. Fumbling in the dark AND claiming 'we know' what we're doing. No, we don't.
@osyroskit is fact that there is a force that has always existed and is uncreated. Some call it the universe but it is GOD.
I'm Christian and believe he God was created too. We don't know when the 1st God begin to be... @osyrosk
@@gardenofazaleas9802who told you that?
If nothing else, it is certainly something to think about.
This is really refreshing. I am a Christian but was agnostic for most of my life. People don't realize the ramifications of having an entire society void of faith
My life got better once i become an atheist
People do know what it’s like to watch someone massively overgeneralize. They also know what it’s like to watch an entire society be led astray by their beliefs.
Have fair rules. We have surveillance cameras and forensics now. Just tell people they actually can and will be punished by other people if they go against the rules. No omnipresent being or afterlife made up is necessary now.
Plenty of other societies had religion, too. Societies you wouldn't want to live in. It's made up as people go along, and goes off the rails terribly once in a while.
And remember what has happened when Abrahamic religions actually had direct power in Europe and elsewhere...like heretic burnings because 'they don't kneel at church, and we do' types of differences between groups.
it's possible to have faith without believing in the existence of the supernatural
I definitely see more people realising some of the less obvious things that were got rid of when people decided they could do without faith - community, inter-generational contact, service, fellowship, shared worship, communal prayer, neighbourliness - we all do these things in part but without a compelling and uniting story and shared experience it become something a minority engages in when they feel like it, and it starts to get too much for the few to carry... Not many yet connect the issues in society with their own decisions - I think most are still living off the inheritance of their faithful forebears without realising that inheritance is dwindling fast. Just because everyone did a really poor job of following the teachings of Jesus for 2000 years, doesn't mean that a world where people have stopped trying looks any better...
I’m a Christian. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this.
You're indoctrinated more like
Im a Buddhist but I do believe we still have common ground? We are both believing in Love and Compassion and about bringing Spiritual awareness to this world! God Bless you!
if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning
them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're
at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something
that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the
least he can do is hint as to
how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle
started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.
What makes you christian if you don't mind me asking ? Searching to see what this really means
@GeraldBrofloski You do need it to know that the there is evil in this world that is real and is set on destroying everything good that man creates and the Church is standing against that evil. You do need the Church as an institution that can give you the stamp of baptism which in turn gives you not only everlasting life (through the belief in Jesus Christ), but a guiding spirit that allows you to be aware and stand against the present evil, among other things.
Oh man, how beautifully he not only explains it but embodies it. May God continue to pursue Eric's heart as he gives him this impeccable wisdom
I love watching these two, you can tell how much respect Chris has for Eric, like his favorite uncle.
An interviewer asked Carl Jung, " Do you believe ? "
Jung replied, " I don't believe. I know. "
If that is true, it is proof positive that he wasn't quite right in his head. Nobody ever received enough evidence to know. Being 100% convinced of something is not "knowing".
I know too.
I know too that gods don't exist.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Apparently you DON"T know how to read.
@@wyleecoyotee4252Jesus still loves you
He has a lot of humility and confidence to play and sing knowing he’s not good. Not many people would.
He's not bad. False humility is a way to get a compliment or, at the very least, surprise people expecting total musical incompetence.
he's pretty good on guitar
@@iliadanilov734 Impressive individual to say the least. Really appreciate his talents.
He thinks he’s awesome, don’t kid urself. This dude is a freak
I think Erick is amazing (all around) he’s good
I heard Eric say, “ I think Vatican two was a mistake…”. Immediately it struck me between the eyes. He was right in many respects. A celebration that had brought people into unity all around the world in one language and there’s mystery in the chants that although not completely understood, was a powerful prayer in itself.
It is the vibration and rhythm of the words that actually make my cells quiver and heart flutter in response, in Latin or especially The Hawaiian language. It feels like God moving through me. Great discussion.
Tower of Babel?
@@TheGloriousRestoration are you the voice of the accuser?
From the time I could talk , I prayed to Jesus bc I was afraid of the dark , I talked to Him though I’ve never seen him and His Spirit is always with me. I think it’s cool that he was a Jewish man living in Israel . I visited Israel to see where he lived and I felt Him there everywhere I went.
I feel Him everywhere all the time. That’s because He IS.
Jesus' Holy Spirit is here with us today.
Philippians 2:5-11
[5]In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
[6]Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
[7]rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
[8]And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross!
[9]Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11]and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
I couldn't possibly be happy without my faith. I don't know how people do it
Rationalism. Seeing and understanding how the world really is. How can you be happy in a delusion?
Lol great example of how religion removes empathy
I couldn’t either. When I look through the lens of Jesus’s teachings and the life he lived it provokes me to sorta have this conversation with myself. Am I here to live for myself or live for others. Obviously that doesn’t mean abandon your responsibilities and not desire good things in life. However it’s you realizing you are not here for just your own pleasures and self absorbed life. Does he want you to enjoy life? Well of course. But how are we making it a better place for others and not just our own little bubble. Actually when we do that, we inherently teach our kids that no one else matters, but our family and if everyone else in the world acted that way it’s pretty selfish and could very well feed narcissism. I don’t think we can create our own definition of how to live life which is why I believe Jesus role modeled the best way. Which is die to live.
So youre an addict. That's pretty sad
Faith in God not always happy. Some days are pretty tough.
Sometimes I am left to simply say Wow. Thank you Eric.
Same
It’s the best
Is it honestly that makes us love the information?
sigh
SAME...
I've literally had people question, like is that all you've got???
Weird
Probably have about 150 hours of Eric in my brain. He is one of the most brilliant folks i can think of. His brother is also very intriguing person. His insights, combined with wisdom is sometimes overwhelming. 'Tell me more' Eric, tell me more about everything please. 🙏
Eric is like my dad, he can pick the guitar, sing all the words to the best of the 1950's and 60s , even the 70s rock and blues and country... man, what a gift to the world Eric is with his talents, but furthermore the ability to steadily and concisely deliver unbiased and diplomatic answers to Chris' questions, but also leave room for the listener to think and absorb without hurried projected delivery of opinion. Eric provides a manner of cool, calm and collected behavior that enriches my ever growing quiver of knowledge arrows... one of my very favorite people to learn from ! Thank you Chris ! This was another excellent podcast ! we need to get you into the world of the 1960s and 70s rock and roll!! :)
Handel's Messiah, "For unto us a child is born, unto us, a child is given," gets me every time!!!
Amen!
The whole work is beyond awesome
@@Lori1Cor15 True that. I listen to the whole version every Christmas.
10:25 It's the Catholic Latin Mass, and it's growing in popularity with young people all over the world. (It's not a separate denomination: it's Catholicism using a form of the Sunday Mass that was universal until the early '60s.)
My Mom was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school up till 9th grade. Until recently i had never thought about the fact that with her age she probably saw the change. Mass was in Latin until she was something like 10 years old.
I attend an FSSP parish. We have 3 packed Sunday Masses every week as well as daily mass and confession with Exposition and Adoration every week. Our priests are young, as are the parishioners. Women are veiled and modest in dress. Large families are the norm. We are the future of the Catholic Church.
I’m one of those old people. You don’t need to “know” Latin to “get” the Latin Mass. There are books and there’s even an app (Laudate) that has the Latin/English on the same page so you can follow along. As a child, the Latin was taken away, churches were basically sacked, music dumbed down, etc. I attend a diocesan Traditional Latin Mass in east Tennessee.
There are a strong move in that direction here in Brazil too, especialy in the west part of the south region.
Chris also acts like he does not know what happened during "Vatican II."
@15:36 - "Religion is interested in you whether or not you give a sh*t. It knows about you and it finds its way into every aspect of your life and if you're going to be an honest atheist you have to admit that."
That's not "religion" - that's God. Every person, within our immaterial selves, has a spot reserved for God. We choose whether or not God fills that spot.
Amen.
I actually appreciate this conversation. People have to start somewhere, and a lot of this seems to be fumbling in the dark - absolutely not meant as a criticism, as that’s precisely what most of us are doing. But the word “God” is what’s missing here. The cultural and religious talking points are all very well, but without the personal relationship with God, none of it means anything.
BUT WHAT WHOULD HIS NAME BE IF WE WERNT TAUGHT IT THATS MY QUESTION
Actually, it is “religion”, too, in the sense that western civilization was overwhelmingly brought to us by the Catholic Church, whether or not people like to admit that. In fact, the Church even preserved a huuuuuhe amount of stuff from classical antiquity and incorporated Aristotelian logic into theology and doctrine. Scientific inquiry burgeoned after the birth of Christianity because of the Christian belief that learning the truth about God’s creation was good (and that truth was never a threat). Our music and art, our universities, hospitals, militaries, legal systems, the elimination of chattel slavery and recognition of basic human rights of the poorest people, etc., etc, you name it, it came from the Catholic Church. And then things started getting crazy and complicated in the 1500s, etc. So my point is that whether or not one realizes it or is a believer in Christ, one is hugely affected by the affects of the Catholic religion and her assumptions and teachings over time.
Nothing good ever came from region than blood, tears and wars. No thanx. Men made fairytales with false promises.
My favorite prayer is saying the Rosary in Latin. The most beautiful prayers I have ever felt and experienced. ❤
Or you can be silent and allow the Spirit to lead you into praying what needs to be prayed.
@@Allabertina That is indeed another excellent way to pray. But don’t knock the rosary. The rosary, properly prayed, is anything but a case of “vain repetitions”. For example, when I pray the rosary I do a combination of different things. I concentrate closely on the actual words/meaning of what I’m saying. I also say different kinds of prayers (ex: of thanks, or repentance, or a prayer of petition for myself or for someone else). And I also spend part of the time contemplating the various mysteries of Christianity, and I consider them through the eyes of Mary. I do this because Mary, on behalf of humankind, has always accepted God’s will in perfect obedience and cooperation with Him. I could go on, and I would, but I have to go. But honestly, I would recommend the rosary even if you’re not Catholic; it is a very powerful meditative prayer. (And if the Hail, Holy Queen prayer bugs you, read about Blessed Herbert, the author. That completely changed how I felt about it.) May the Lord richly bless you and yours.
@Featherfinder Thank you and right back at you. Personally I just cannot imagine reading a prayer.
I also pray the Rosary in Latin. I agree with you very beautiful! Oremus pro invicem
Me too! Meditating on Our Lord’s mysteries w the Rosary. God is so gracious💜
“Early religions were like muddy ponds with lots of foliage. Concealed there, the fish of the soul could splash and feed. Eventually, however, religions became aquariums. Then hatcheries. From farm fingerling to frozen fish stick is a short swim.” ― Tom Robbins, Skinny Legs and All
totally agree god gradually revealed his character and worked with the religions which are closest to him.
I love listening to Eric. He's a hidden gem in this world
I used to think I had to believe to pray. Now I pray and belief comes.
I used to believe and pray. I stopped believing, so I stopped praying.
@@jaredprince4772 And I feel so very sorry for you. You obviously believed only superficially, and that isn't what it's all about.
@@r.mucklin1703 You can't possibly know what or how deeply I believed. You're presuming it based on you preconceived notions.
To state that you feel sorry for someone that is not asking for your sympathy is an insult.
There is necessarily superficiality in every belief system that explains its parts as mysteries. Calling them mysteries gives the appearance of depth while providing no depth at all.
@@r.mucklin1703 My guy we call this type of reasoning a 'no true scotsman' fallacy. No need to be so dismissive. Here's a thought experiment: What about Christian doctrines that like Calvanism, i.e. once you're saved then you're always saved? Are they not genuine believers either? Instead of being dismissive why not seek to understand their point of view?
@@jaredprince4772 No apology and no sympathy from me. You can say anything you wish, but if it's said in public I can also say how I feel about what you said.
He says “ There is something disingenuous to praying to something that you don’t believe.” But there is also absolutely classic, beautiful, sublime prayer, “I believe Lord. Help my unbelief.” You don’t have to be 100% all in to pray. If you are 1%, go for it!
My respect for Eric Weinstein just went through the roof,
He was already the more composed of the Weinstein brothers but this quiet and strong faith in the spirit of things is something that sold be a part of every community. Some times church isn't like that. My community Church went to Muslim bashing last time I visited. There's no love in the Muslim God he said. What about all the times Muslims have helped people. I'm alive because of some young Kuwaiti boys I met once how about that. No reply
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@@andrewbreding593young Kuwaiti boys were humans. It's the power of people, and their dreams and stories. No actual gods.
@@rayfighterGod uses an assortment of people to achieve his purpose. Look for the divine in the messiness of life.😊
@@honeyclover5038 no thanks
I'm not religious, but I have to confess, every time I hear a really good version of "How Great Thou Art," it sends chills down my spine. On another note, I'm struck by how often Eric asks Chris if he's familiar with a particular song or artist, and the answer always seems to be no. Poor guy is tragically uninformed about music.
DON'T rely on religion have faith in JESUS.
I never get to hear it but i thank you god as arranged by Gwyneth Walker is a moving choral piece with piano. You have to hear it live to really feel it.
Psalm 14:1 states clearly: The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God." Can you reason with a fool? We all struggle in this earthly journey, but it's good to hear an honest conversation with people sharing their struggles with faith and God and trying to understand it all. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. I leave you with this verse of scripture: "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6. He rewards those who EARNESTLY SEEK HIM.
We are grateful for our Jewish roots. God has truly blessed them with amazing brains, talents, and they are the Apple of his eye. Jesus, He is a person who loves his children.
First of all, that is not absolutely true. Not everyone who earnestly seeks God is rewarded. As such religion fails to provide reliable guidance and cosmological stability, leaving merely a cute story and a psychological hack.
Do you not think it is possible for someone to have earnestly sought after God and found nothing there? I promise you, they exist. It's very easy to dismiss people you don't agree with by calling them fools; it's much harder to try to understand other people with different life experiences. People observe those life experiences and make different conclusions than each other all the time. Thought-terminating cliches like "they are just fools" rob you of the ability to understand your fellow humans and widen your perspective. I'm happy you found a faith that is fulfilling for you. I'm also happy that others find fulfillment elsewhere. Be well.
He didn’t say people are fools. Almighty God say they are.
Not enough AMENS,,thank you!!!!
“This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.”
Dalai Lama
That dude is lost. (Re Dalai Lama comment on his simple religion)
It is a shame this man has only knowledge of the Bible, references, and academic thought but no real relationship with the living Christ.
"It has been graciously granted you (a gift) to believe" (Philippians 1:9)
Chris is a wonderful example of a person who is willing to listen, who is open to learning about people and their perspectives, who exercises a genuine curiosity in what matters to others. I applaud Chris and his excellent long form interviews. I think social media benefits immensely from this sterling example of dispassionate and respectful discourse. I’m just a poor boy in the sticks of East Texas. For what it’s worth, very well done, Chris! A hearty and sincere well done.
What part of ETX?
Hundreds of years ago after a full week of working the fields, going to church is an escape to God's royal & majestic court and honored as a member of the universal and timeless divine family. Even the least amongst us are important to God.
You’re always a gentleman and super patient with guests as they find their way in and out of explaining thoughts and feelings about all the topics… great show!
I am compelled to listen to these interviews with Eric, simply because what he says so eloquently helps me to further process my own thinking and perceptions of many issues I confront in this life. This elaboration on religion was helpful to me, (as my own views are always in development and tend to be confusing to other people who either rigidly adhere to their doctrine or totally reject any mention of religion altogether so I don't tend to express my own views publicly) but they are very close to what Eric was discussing here.
A cynic might say it’s a good time to start a church, temple or some other religious structure(concrete and abstract). We are vulnerable creatures when we are scared. 💸
It's a big mistake to think that we automatically understand someone else's words or explanations. The meaning that person has for the words they use, does not travel with the words to the person they're talking to. When we hear someone's words, we organize them, and extract what they mean to US. In most cases we don't quite hear what the other person is saying unless it's mundane, or cliche'. I don't remember ever being able to match my meaning by finding the right words, for anything beyond the mundane and cliche'. I always have to settle for words that can only give a clunky and vague sense of what I'm trying to say. And you can't communicate an experience the other person never had.
William until we allow ourself to open our heart we are in fear. It requires courage to leave what we know even if that is pain. An Australian expression might help ... have a go. What do you have to lose? The unexpectedness of love fills one completely and is worth 'having a go', otherwise regret will settle in your soul. All is grist to the mill.
As a musician of 20 years, I admire this man’s lack of self-consciousness while “playing” the guitar and “singing.”
lol
I bet it sounds great in his head, and I'm willing to agree that it does, in his head, and applaud him for it👏
@osyroskYou are making a category error.
Right with you on that.
Yep, when he called it the "blues scale," I nearly lost it...
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The Church that is in Latin is the pre-Vatican Catholic Chruch. As a little girl being raised as a protestant, I often stood outside the local Catholic Church to listen to the Latin Mass, and it was BEAUTIFUL!!! I didn't understand the words but it was mystical and touched me in ways that are hard to explain. Language is actually very superficial and trite, and it's impossible to get the gist of the mystical or metaphysical in language. This is why we need myth and legends that explain in story what we can't explain in our hearts. To read the Bible verbatum is to only understand it on a very superficial level, which often leaves us cold and wanting. But to study with a great teacher is profoundly eye opening. We have some great teachers today, including Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager, and after this discussion I think Eric is much deeper than I ever thought he would be.
When I've told friends that I prefer opera where I don't understand the words, they look at me as if I'm crazy; I'm not. I like to get the basic outline of an opera plot and then let the music itself tell the story without language getting in the way and making it just another trite love story.
Have you listened to orthodox Christian music on UA-cam? Also beautiful
Very nicely written comment :)
Feeling are not facts.
wow
want to feel the hair rise on your neck? try this one with a set of good headphones: the Byzantine Imperial Hymn.
deeply moving what is truly a prayer to St Mary, patron saint of Constantinople.
This is such a confusing conversation. He admits atheism, but argues for belief.
I would say that’s just his way of saying he’s undecided. Or some people just say they’re Atheist but they’re just atheist (small case). Non Religious
Well, I think it is much the same way as you can't deny the fact that placebo is largely effective, if the person believes it is. Even if you know that placebos don't literally work.
@@AdmiringObserverR if it works by you believing in it, than it works.
Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door shall be opened until you. If you're looking for God, wanting to find Him, He will open your eyes to the truth.
At that moment the eyes are opened, the only question is will I accept it?
How do you know god's pronouns?
@@coolcat23 Read the Bible and seek that answer.
@@Tony-dc1qt Do you think a man-made book can provide an authoritative answer on that question? Do you realise how edited the bible is?
@@coolcat23 you realize we have the documents dating back to 150 BCE... We can see if it is edited. I didn't come here to argue with you, though you seem to want to argue with me over the internet. If you would like to Know God, read His word. If you don't, know one is forcing you. Be Blessed.
I love seeing self professed atheist show interest, lamentation, and experimentation towards faith in the Devine. It's very encouraging. God Bless them
Just wondering. Since you love it, are you doing the same thing in the opposite direction?
How aboht the uther way around. Seems most religious people don't tolerate the idea they may be mistaken.
Jase, what do you think “Take the log out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to see what is in your brother’s” is all about? The Christian faith, if it is anything, is a continual exercise in self-examination and renewal into the removal of unjustifiable biases. You should try it.
@@jase123111 I think you'll find that in today's world there are a great many people who won't tolerate that idea either... and they don't have any faith.
Perhaps, it's not as simple as saying that a particular category of people have the cognitive bias / dissonance, rather that humans have that tendency and it can show up where you least expect it - even in some parts of the scientific community (Heresy, I know).
oh but the divine is not restricted to mere christian interpretations.
Weinstein just swept musical religion jeopardy for 500 Alex! Huge fan of you both keep killing it! 👊🏼
Songs and art referencing old books with mostly made up stuff isn't a great argument to just be religious. The very religious following those books would completely reject the even older stories and traditions some of those old stories have been recycled from. Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc. etc. ideas of god(s), afterlife, etc...the Abrahamic religious folks would quickly dismiss and openly mock as 'myths'...and their (sometimes similar) Abrahamic stories as real truth... it's all the same category of made up stuff by people thousands of years ago to a rational person.
Trace it back enough, and you're at some Neanderthal or other person from 30k years ago or more suggested the sun is alive and has emotions...and it went forward from there.
Without hyperbole, one of the best videos on UA-cam. This tenor of discussion would bring this broken world together if everyone could suspend their fearful tribalism for half a second.
If we wait until we have faith to pray, we might never have faith. We cannot know someone if we never talk to them. We don't come to know God by ignoring him. Faith is a gift, and gifts are rarely given by strangers. Pray whether you believe or not.
But that’s silly. Why talk to someone you don’t think is there?!
@@peterwestwood2307 It seems silly if you don't want to believe. Some people want to believe.
@@susan6722 surely though you’re assuming intentionality I’m not believing. That’s not your call to make. In any other situation, talking to someone you don’t think is there would be called madness. But ahh, are you saying it’s different with religion??
@@peterwestwood2307 I don't judge anyone nor do I make assumptions. There are people who don't believe and feel no need or desire to believe. They tell me this. There are those who don't believe but want to believe. Again, they tell me this. To the latter I say to pray, there is nothing to lose by trying.
@@susan6722 so you advocate talking to someone you don’t think is there?
Brilliant! And thank you for not editing out the silent pauses!
Post-modernism tenets: 3) a questioning of reality and representation (there is no truth, it's all fake news), 4) a critique of “metanarratives”(counter-storytelling. All history, literature, religion is wrong/biased) 5) an argument against method and evaluation (fundamentally anti- Enlightenment) 6) a focus upon power relations and hegemony, (regularly rebranded as “structuralism”, “post structuralism”) 7) a general critique of Western institutions and knowledge. A critique of liberalism. (Kuznar 2008:78).
Postmodernism is pseudo-philosophy and the worst thing to happen to the field.
Post-modernism is a nihilistic death cult.
Sounds a lot like Wokeism, but without the woke grand narrative.
And it demolishes everything it touches
Pretty bad take. What about death of god theologians? Vattimo, Marc C Taylor or hell, Nietzsche himself? Sometimes the only way is through
2:24 Do you know why Joy To The World is made of the descending scale? It is Joy, the Lord Himself, descending from heaven to come to earth. Very intentional. It is the intention behind the music that moves you, not merely the notes.
My Mother goes to church every Sunday. She is 78. Catches up with her friends, goes out alot and seems to be making the most of her life in a wholesome and I dare say old fashioned way. I couldn't be happier, but its not me. Sometimes, I wish it was.
It could all be so benevolent if they finally repented for the millions of people they murdered.
@@felixmidas2020why do people need to repent for the actions of people who are long dead?
@@Rza383I’m not sure what Felix was talking about, but those people (at least parts of them) are alive in all of us. We are all human (which is a euphemism for “we/I are/am not perfect”) it’s recognizing the faults in oneself. IMO
@@felixmidas2020 who is "they?" Are you accusing OPs old mom of mass murder?
@@MattHabermehl I already explained that when you're a member of an organisation you are identified with its complete history. In the case of the christian churches that includes the mass murders of nonbelievers, the torture and incarceration of apostates. The christian churches all very loudly demand that their sheep repent their sins but you don't hear any apology from current church leaders for those sins of the past except for the mass rape of boys and girls by clergy which seems too recent to swipe under the carpet.
I lived until i was 36 without religion. Since I returned to the Catholic Church (i am a cradle Catholic but i got confirmed at 36) I have a wife and a son and a parish i belong to. It is the best decision i ever made
I was a born and fled Catholic, but I found my way back and am SO grateful I did, especially with how dark and terrifying this world has become. I pray without ceasing for mine and all children of this world. God is not going to stop what is coming, but He will guide His children on how to survive and rebuild. Blessings to you and yours Brother in Christ.
As a third generation atheist I absolutely love singing "Amazing Grace", and with a feel that once shocked a Christian friend I didn't know was a believer. She asked me how I did it, how it was possible, and it's just the love of a beautifully written song, and being able to breathe life into it❤
May it continue to inspire and uplift you.
Weinstein gave examples of scales. Did you know that "Amazing Grace" is entirely made from the "Pentatonic scale"
@@goran586 I did not, it's been a few decades since I took music theory🥴
That's a song written by a slave ship captain, that dropped out of life, denounced slavery and found God.
@@michaelbrownlee9497 Dropped out of his old life, and found new life.
This guy is so wise, I heard him a few times on Rogan but didnt appreciate him until hearing this clip. @Chris Williamson I am going to give you some props as a first time listener, you had a way of bringing this gem of dialogue out of Eric Weinstein in a way that even Joe couldnt and I am a massive JRE fan.
Also he is right, faith is instinctual. It is buried in all of us somewhere whether we like it or not, just a matter of where we place it. A lack of faith for most people comes from fear of ridicule. For others it comes from pride.
What I see everyday from these podcasts is that the greatest thinkers are now plowing a once ignored field of thought on religion, and it is awesome to listen to.
"Dominion" by Tom Holland is an absolute must-read
The podcast series The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God features some of his interviews. Highly recommended series.
Can you share one insight from “Dominion”?
@@mackprime6975 That Christianity was the best thing that ever happened to the world and that just about all of our values we hold dear derive from it.
Tom Holland and Justin Brierrley are the best when it comes to tracking the rediscovery of God.
It's next on my reading list.
As an atheist, I still am deeply moved by religious music, especially the appalachian style gospel. It preaches a certain faith that comes from hard living and the thought of persevering in the face of tragedy. That kind of faith resonates with they way an atheist feels when the going gets tough. Human faith is something we all have in one way or another.
Nothing else like it that i have found- heres a recommendation-- glory land , by the stanley brothers
I’ve long thought the modern Western world often harbors a secular bias that marginalizes religious experiences through oversimplification and commercialism. And the “spiritual but not religious” narrative reflects a disillusionment with organized religion but also suggests a longing for a connection to something greater than oneself. Eric does a better job than I at effectively highlighting the benefits of our capacity to harness this power to tap into the whole - by whatever name you choose to call it is less important.
“by whatever name you choose to call it” spirituality is secularism.
" Divine Union is possible through self effort and no longer need be tied or limited to theological beliefs or a cosmic dictator. "
Lahiri Mahasaya
@@CaptainPhilosophicalNew Age mumbo jumbo. It’s not really a new concept but an old one. Ignorance of A God who had finally made himself known in the form of one named Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
@@cdeep4548 lol. Lahiri wasn't new age. You're funny. Your opinion doesn't match my experience.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do."
Jesus
Stop selling yourself short. Do the work and you too can be just as great or greater!
@@CaptainPhilosophical Hinduism, Buddhism, etc etc is adopted and and adapted into New Age whether you like to believe it or not. This is what I find so interesting about people who don’t know Jesus. Contextually out of touch with what scripture is a common sign. And yes we have a completely different experience, I will agree with you on that one.
“When man stops believing in God, he will believe in anything”… pretty relevant today.
Faith is a human need. A real need, as real as hunger, sleep, and thirst. The rest is our imagination.
God is real.
That closing remark is so true. As someone who was a Christian, became an atheist, and now is agnostic I have found spiritual experiences have a way of popping up in my life. Not sure if that's exactly what Eric meant, but that's been my experience.
Those experiences are God reminding you that he is real…. Calling you back to a relationship with him.
@@matthewmiddletn9856 I have a relationship with God, just not the Christian one.
@@matthewmiddletn9856that’s just confirmation bias. There’s no evidence of this at all. You believe in God so anything that happens, you just assert it is God with no backing. We don’t know it certainly wasn’t God but it seems very unlikely
@@danielcooper3868 that’s called faith.
@@matthewmiddletn9856 yes, and faith sometimes can be very silly. Have faith in your partner instead of
Eric never ceases to amaze. One could literally binge watch his discussions.❤
Well, I think he would embrace that religion doesn’t mean the abandonment of maths
the reason the Mass in Latin was so important is that it was the Universal language of the Church. The same in Spain, England, China, Australia. etc.
" the greatest misfortune is to live and die without knowing God"...St. Claudine Thevenet
I will live and die without knowing God. Because it's literally impossible to know it. How can you know something that doesn't exist.
We've all been pre-wired to talk to God. It's there and He is ready to listen!🙏🏼
Amen!
That is nothing but an assumption.
@@timb350 That's been an assumption based on archeological discovery about people groups over thousands of years. So, I would say a reasonable assumption! Then again, one could choose to ignore the evidence.
@@u2bewatcher159 it written by humans thousands of yeasr ago , it MUST be TRUE RIGHT? and HUMANS have never wanted to control each other RIGHT? OOWW WATCH OUT FOR THE DEVIL EVERY ONE
Can you ask him why he created cancer and other diseases?
Eric doesn’t understand meditation. In the Catholic faith, Meditation is considered contemplative prayer. The highest form of prayer.
Contemplation of God is perhaps the highest form of prayer, but not all meditation is contemplation (Lectio divina, for instance, is meditation, or the Ignatian spiritual exercises) and not all contemplation is of God himself.
The Catholic faith doesn't understand prayer!, if they think meditation is it
'Be still, and know that I am God' -
This is a side of Eric Weinstein that I’ve never seen before, but am so grateful that I’ve had the opportunity to!
That lyric isn't Hendrix, it's Bob Dylan.
The song is All Along the Watchtower. Made famous to the public at large by Hendrix, but yes, penned by Dylan.
@xEJCBx it's a cover of the Bob Dylan recording from 1967, John Wesley Harding is the name of the record.
I think of Eric as encyclopediac in his approach to music. His discussion of religiosity in music
falls short when he invokes Hendrix. Surely he knows that Dylan is the author of AATW, and Dylan's lyrics are rife with spiritual meaning, making Eric's point not so revelatory.
@@TheGalxz and that bob certainly didn’t believe in anything other than writing great songs, let alone Christianity.
I think the point is that Christianity works its way into our art, and we don’t even notice. That’s my take anyways.
My [then atheist] son asked me once, “What if you live your whole life Mom, and in the end nothing you believed was real?” My answer was this, “How would living a moral, faithful life be for not? However, if in the end, you wake up staring into God’s face…you will be ‘up a creek without a paddle.’” I believe because I can’t fathom the alternative.
The issue is that I can't trick myself into believing. It doesn't matter if I act like I believe. I don't, and I can't force myself to.
those of us who don't believe in bronze age mythology and are moral are WAY ahead of you. also, if the created god of man turns it to exist, he'll forgive me because he's all-forgiving.
@@kamnovak5268 no, you need to read your Bible. He is all-powerful, but He doesn’t forgive the unrepentant.
@@adamgribble3936 I feel sorry for you.
It's not about tricking yourself to believe. God knows the path you walk, piece by piece plaster comes off the walls of everyone's hearts when it comes to this. You may not feel this way now but with an open mind one day you will just feel it. The joy that a person can feel is beyond words and even though we are living in sin and are human we will fall and repent and he will be there regardless. That is agave!
Atheist Jew PhD says that Vatican 2 maybe a mistake?
The truly open mind honestly and sincerely considers ideas that don't align with its own views. This is how humans grow and evolve, not only in knowledge but also in philosophy and in character. The alternative is to latch onto an idea, carve it in stone, and place it on a pedestal where, now, the adherent mindlessly chants their favorite hymns and prayers at anything that dares to disagree with that dogma. This is the context in which I appreciate Eric saying to Chris, *"IF* you're going to be an *honest* atheist..." Because to be anything less is to be dishonest, intellectually speaking.
Try typing was Vatican II A mistake into UA-cam and you’ll see thousands of hours of videos about the topic.
And yes it was.
We are in a cultural shift right now where millennials like me are returning to pre Vatican 2 Latin mass and it’s changing our lives. I just can’t understand why the pope is locking us out.
What is so surprising about that? An atheist Jew has every right to express his opinion on any subject he wants to say something about. Evidently Eric is well read enough to have an opinion about a lot of subjects, this being just one of them. Good for him!
@@r.mucklin1703 I think he’s just making the point it’s not typical for anyone outside the church to know about these things much less to care. Atheists in particular.
Chris is becoming one of my favourite interviewers. Eric is a surprisingly interesting character every time I hear him speak!
I love Joy to the World. Many confuse joy with happiness. Happiness is fleeting and temporary. Joy can be with you even in hard and down times. God's word differentiates them.
Eric is the most bizarre mix of great teacher / meaning maker / story teller and b*tshit crazy. This clip is the former.
Indeed. I think he's one of the greatest propagandists of today.
Batshit crazy is them being blissfully ignorant of the world, and thinking that the things he talks about ''crazy''
No. It’s the latter.
If some people think that being cynical and arrogant makes them appear intelligent, that's ok. People who actually are intelligent have no problem spotting them.
Chris, they just had their last Latin mass at the cathedral in downtown Austin. I’m so sorry you missed it. It’s no longer allowed😢it’s called the Triditen mass
Eric is a deep spirit. True religion is the radical coming to terms with ultimate reality, and reality is inescapable, whether we refuse to orient ourselves towards it or not.
What's reality in your book?
Amazing to see Eric say he identifies as atheist. Having grown up in the south and attending church at least twice a week, I can tell you Jesus and God are real. Have to have the eyes to see and the ears to hear. I’ve seen the presence in my life when I had forgotten what I learned in church. Praise God I have found my way back.
I have musical anhedonia. It's a condition where you don't have any emotional response to music. The cause is the reward-auditory cortex interaction in the brain being screwed up. I can appreciate the complexity of music, I can appreciate the lyrics, but I have no emotional response to the music. Listening to music has never brought me any joy or happiness.
It is difficult for me to relate to everyone else sometimes because music is so important to culture. I recently found out from some friends that people remember music that was played in movies and shows in different scenes. I was stunned because I honestly don't remember any of the music when I'm remembering a scene.
It really bums me out sometimes that I'm missing out on something that clearly brings so many people happiness.
That is fascinating! I have learned something new from you again. I just looked up more details about the condition. This led me to try to imagine hearing music without feeling it. I guess it would be like watching a movie without a soundtrack. While it is a deficit in one way, it is an asset in another. One is much less able to be propagandised and far more able to see fact from fiction when emotion is removed from music. Without John Williams's musical score, Star Wars really isn't that good.
Thank you for broadening my knowledge even more, friend.
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Time to try some psychadelics? I suspect they *may* open that up for you? Worthy a try!
@@prycelessly No problem! I guess it's kind of like watching a movie without a soundtrack. I can still hear the soundtrack, it just doesn't affect my emotional experience of the scene. I think it's more like hearing traffic noise instead of music, like it's there but it doesn't affect anything.
I didn't realize music is used in propaganda, that's interesting!
@@MMAneuver That might actually be a good idea! I don't like the idea of doing drugs, but that might be worth a try some day!
@ZyroZoro Music has been used as a tool to propagandise to evoke emotional responses to help sell ideas throughout history in many capacities, from selling people on fighting wars to buying sneakers.
Here's an article if you want to read more about it:
(I tried posting the link to it, but it would not post)
Propaganda with feeling - music as an instrument of social purpose
Scientists study the emotions triggered by music through the ages
All the world need is to follow Jesus teaching so we all can live in a better place. No hunger, no war, respect for other, and helping those in need.
Why didn't he make it a better place in the first place??!!
@@irenehuxter9733he did. It was called Eden. Then man and woman disobeyed him. Now we have war, lies, hunger and hate.
@@irenehuxter9733 Because he is not God. He doesn't have the power to do such a thing. He only wants to teach us how to live a better life in this planet.
You completely missed the point of the conversation
@@witdamagik I am making a point. My point is that any debate about Jesus is a waste of time. In today world what we need to save this planet from the destruction of making and have a better life is to follow Jesus teaching about how to live with each other.
I’m a Christian. I’m not in a religion. I’m in a relationship with Jesus Christ. Religion won’t get you to heaven but a relationship with Jesus Christ will!
AMEN
Amen!
If Jesus Christ founded a Church, wouldn’t you have to submit to her though?
Imagine if a husband built his wife an amazing house with all the provisions that she and their children would ever need, but the wife refused to live in that house because she didn’t like the colors of the wall or how the orange light falls on her eyes at dusk when she sits on the porch. So instead she lives outside in an RV she rented, which she can move around and modify as she likes. Would you call that a loving relationship?
Saying you have a relationship with Jesus Christ without submitting to the Church that He established lovingly for us would be quite like that.
Dumb thing to say. Religion is the umbrella term. Christian is within. The church is where we go. You see? Your a cult member is all
@@MJArcilla-nn1ct No. The Church is the Bride and Christ is the Groom. The wife submits to the husband. As a member of the church (meaning Christ-followers, not an organized religion), we submit to Christ. His Word tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, and we call that "church," but the true church is simply all those who follow Christ.
The last point that Eric made was profound. He is so close to the Truth. It’s not religion that permeates every aspect of your life. It is the Holy Ghost-The Spirit. All he has to do is choose to believe, and the Truth will set him free.
5:23: "We're afraid to submit to something bigger than ourselves". Ooh.
We're afraid there's nothing bigger than ourselves.
Chris - Your content is next level and this conversation was truly important. I would encourage you not to cheat yourself by treating Weinstein's questions in this conversation as mere rhetoric.
I really don't get Eric's point. Traditional religion is/was popular, so of course it is woven into so many aspects of our culture. But there's nothing magical about it. The fact is, life has inherent meaning, apart from traditional religion, and we can and should celebrate and explore that meaning through art, music, philosophy, and community.
That's some weak sauce right there. You aren't required to be a Christian because Newton was, anymore than you are required to be a Muslim for using Arabic numerals. Was it the Almighty that revealed the truth of gravity to Newton? Or Newton using science?
@@carsonland6874 Using science can easily just be reverse engineering what God has created. You're not actually creating anything unless the building blocks of nature have been provided to you. All Newton has done was interpret something that everyone can already experience. He didn't use science to invent something, he just explained it.
If I tell you how a car was design and how it operates, does that make me better than the ones that created it? Does it give me credit for it's discovery? I'm obviously being a bit extreme, but all science is at the end of the day, is people explaining things that already exist.
You're never required to be religious, that's why it's called faith. By the way, I don't go to church or anything, I just don't think the difference is science or religion. they are hand in hand. In fact, in the bible when God is explaining to Moses what he's doing for the Israelites he says he will give certain ones amongst them gifts of black smith, or medicine, crafts for clothing etc etc. So you could.. coouuulldd argue if you're religious that God is in fact giving the gift of intelligence to the select few such as Newton, Einstein etc to understand how the universe works. Doesn't mean God didn't create it.
@carsonland6874 Newton's philosophy which led to science was based in Christianity. In fact, what we call 'scientists' today were called 'natural philosophers', in contrast to 'moral philosophers'. Hence, the title of Newton's book: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy.
By the way, the Arabic numerals had Indian origins. Arguably even Phoenician/Hebrew origins, for that matter.
@TheGrievingLawyer i seem to remember scientists of the past being locked away by the church
@@uploadvidz4490 Newtons theory of calculus owed more to the ancient Greeks - do we all start having faith in Zeus now?
I don't like the term religious. I prefer faith. Faith is what gets me through every day in this insane world we live in.
the dramatic pauses from this man
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It's really hard to take.
I keep thinking I lost internet connection.
Those pauses are computational, he actually thinks about what he's saying before he says it.
It's Chris blanking on the topic
This video is one of my prayers being answered. From a deep, deep hollowed void in my soul this came as an answered.
Eric is exceptionally intelligent and interesting person! I do not agree with all that he says but nevertheless what an extraordinary mind.