2021 Acura TLX | Not What it Seems
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- We review the brand new 2021 Acura TLX maxed out at $48,000. We discuss the good and bad of the changes that were made including their fresh approach to design. During the video we breakdown the technical information and highlight why the car is different including what makes it more fun to drive compared to the previous generation. When shopping others may consider the BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Genesis G70, Lexus IS, and, Tesla Model3.
#acura #TLX #Honda
Index:
00:00 - 00:30 Intro
00:30 - 4:22 Interior Impressions and ELS Audio Tests
4:22 - 6:40 Infotainment, Comfort and Rear Seats
6:40 - 11:36 Mechanical Impressions, Front Suspension and Chassis
11:36 - 13:38 Rear Suspension and SH AWD, TVD
13:38 - 15:34 Engine and Transmission
15:34 - 26:29 Driving Impressions and Arguments About German Cars
26:29 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
I've never seen you guys disagree on something so heavily.
I like it. Get it all out in the open.
Right??? Look out for the divorce papers
Jack seemed way more measured, whereas Goose seemed emotionally charged in a more, lamentably, 'fanboy' kind of way. Maybe I missed the point though.
I know its delicious
Geese had a bad experience with his E92 M3 so a lot of his hate for German cars is that their numbers don't justify their poor reliability.
"Here's why you're wrong..." *Takes turn at crazy speed*
The fact that Acura built a car that has you two arguing is impressive by itself.
And turn was so sharp I can almost hear the tire screaming“get out of my way, 3 series “
I was dying at this part! LOL!
$50k for a Honda that's too big on the outside but small like a Civic on the inside - ridiculous. Totally serious: the Accord is more fun and the better car than all the ones mentioned in this video.
@@mrsj1417 BIG FACTS! 2.0T FAM!
@@mrsj1417 Accord doesn't have SH-AWD and isn't available with a TT6. Plus interior on TLX is better. I like the Accord but I think you're getting your money's worth in the Acura
When you guys disagree, it actually lends to your credibility as unbiased journalists. This was my favorite episode in a while
Yea agree! one of the best episode
100 percent agree.
No the disagreeing is all scripted to look genuine! Do not get tricked!!! (I'm joking cmon guys)
Now that you pointed this out they will “disagree” more to up their “credibility” lol. Completely joking. Love this channel.
Absolutely. Was going to say the same. And I think the points were both interesting observations. Used to love my 07 TL, but lost interest in the last few generations. Looks like the brand is back...
"for normal driving like we just did" *just made a 40mph right angle turn with tires squeal*
You don’t do that normally?
Winter tires or winter-focused all seasons probably, you can tell when it's on the lift. They are outside of Chicago in Dec after all. Surprised there isn't snow actually
@@richardnavratil9661 true, the Midwest is lacking snow this year and warmer than years past.
@@richardnavratil9661 Nope! Factory equipped Michelin Primacy MXM4 tires. Source: I work for Acura.
@@sheepstardetail God the primacys are ass
ELS Sound System...FUN FACTS:
ELS = Elliot Scheiner is a VERY highly acclaimed recording engineer.
He was a part of the recording team used by "Steely Dan" during their "Gaucho" album
During that time in LA, he went out on a date with a MUCH younger SoCal girl and discovered he had absolutely nothing in common.
Donald Fagen/Walter Becker wrote the song, "Hey Nineteen" about ELS's experience.
...and now you know the rest of the story...
I don't think I've seen them disagree so much on a car before. It was savage.
I guess which one is the geese?
I think I'm turning Savage Geese. I think I'm turning Savage Geese. I really think so!
No, it was the Savage Geese!
“I don’t think a 3-series is fun to drive dude...” Nails out.
Finally somebody who doesn’t say the German cars are better just because they are German
People say germans are better, first, because of heritage and second, because they are visibly choosing a more advanced and pioneering way of designing their cars. A 3 series or a C class will drive circles around this upmarket Accord.
German cars break down all the time because they are German. Kinda' like their WWII tanks.
@@an-dr6eu ...for maybe 50K-60K miles.
@@an-dr6eu Sounds a bit like German car snobbery. Just own those cars under warranty and you’ll be fine. Honda engineering stands up to all the German makers with better reliability and economy. NSX and S2K are only matched by Porsche IMHO.
@@peterbazirgan2060 Since when? Honda Acura has not been able to make a transmission without major issues in two decades. My Third gen TL went through two transmissions, and my last Acura a TSX had a slipping transmission at 72K miles. Not to mention the constant AC issues the entire six years of ownership from new. I worked for a Honda dealer for the past decade, and would not buy a Honda/Acura again anytime soon. The CVTs have issues, the Autos have issues, the 2.0Ts had oil burning issues.
Jack's seatbelt is flipped throughout the whole driving section.
There. Now you can't unsee it just like me.
This bugged me too.
Goddamnit I just started the video now I'm screwed...
I saw it the first second, bothered me all the way
He's doing it on purpose just to mess with you
Oh I saw it just like a guitar strap twisted drives me crazy
21:54 Mom, Dad, please don’t fight
Finally, someone who gets what a SH-AWD Acura TL/TLX is. It is the type of vehicle where you can determine how it responds. You want to drive it aggressively, it can handle it, you want it to be relaxed and comfortable, no problem. You drive this car, it doesn't drive you.
🤣🤣🤣
After purchasing one of these, an advance AWD, I gotta say that they perform really well. I was prepared to put a deposit on for an s type, but by the time the test drive was over the whole car felt like a complete package. Fun driving dynamics, amazing stereo (super important given its impossible to modify modern cars) and incredible comfort. Coming from a 13 taurus sho, I could not be more happy. Car is seriously refined!
I do wish I could get that quad tip exhaust that the s type has, though!
Still love it?
S type only has 354 hp
@@catsaretasty "only?
Sorry, you lost me when you said your last car was a Taurus.
@@fp5495 Taurus SHO.. Get it right! AWD 365 HP/ 350 TQ..
It was raining this morning, then I got my Savage Geese notification, and suddenly my car was paid off and I finally understood algebra. #GodsPlan
Congrats
The likes on this comment should have at least two more zeros on the end...
Excellent.
Not to be confused with algaebra, which is what mermaids are wearing.
@@Dowlphin lol
These guys are so transparent. This is obviously the prelude to the Mayweather/Paul PPV in February. Goose vs Singapore on the undercard. Book it. Not sure how I’ll feel about seeing Mark in boxing shorts but I have 2 months to adjust for it.
Singapore is fast, but the goose sees at night.
HAHAHA! I lol'd
What's the difference between an Acura and a BMW? One can be bought, the other must be leased.
The bmw requires faith.. and the owner must have no fear of death..financial or otherwise
@@cayman9873 Same for Acura
An Acura is a car, a BMW is a form of financial punishment (when the car breaks down, which it will ..... often.)
@@menguardingtheirownwallets6791 So you mean a BMW is just too much harder to have or deal with..
Not sure about this new car. Honda's reliability has been going down hill for the last 15 years. My 07 tsx 4cyl engine breaks a lot. V6 hondas tend to last linger than 4cyl.
"i don't think a 3 series is fun dude..." and that was the last we ever heard of mark he went missing the next day ;_;
@2020 Dem Fraud the M340i says hello.
Jack: Well I think this car isn't as fun as other cars
Goose: So you have chosen... death.
Jack is a Eurofan. He is not in favor of Japanese cars unless he has to admit that they are superior 100%..
@@squidproquo2241 The problem with that thinking is that the current 3-series is a 100% superior choice for enthusiasts. The engines and the gearbox especially are on another level compared to the standard 3-series wannabe family cars in disguise.
@@JAnx01 "The problem with that thinking is that the current 3-series is a 100% superior choice for enthusiasts."
Well, you heard Mark in the video, he disagrees with that, as I also disagree. BMW 3-Series is a good straight line performer, but it handles not as good in the twisties, even against some FWD cars. Honda civic Type-R has better time around the Nurbrugring than the M cars of BMW.
"The engines and the gearbox especially are on another level compared to the standard 3-series wannabe family cars in disguise."
Well, BMW's are high cost, high maintenance junks.
@@JAnx01 The 3-series outside maybe the m3 aren't really enthusiast cars anymore. Dead electric steering, and not much more feel anywhere else either, etc.
@Peder Hansen "japanese cars are worse at most things except durability"
To the contrary Japanese cars are way better cars pound per pound. A civic is more than the some of its parts, while a Jetta is not even the sum of its parts. That's why Lexus LFA had a better track time than a Ferrari and Porsche around Nurburgring, even though it looked lesser on paper.
I subscribed to savagegeese a few years ago. My life hasn't gotten worse.
lol
expect of covid
@@joanna6866 apart from putting on a mask at safeway it really hasnt been a problem
"I don't think a 3 series is fun. There is nothing that's great....."
Me: Smashes the subscribe button. Turns on notifications. Hi fives next person I see.
First time I drove a new 3 series I was amazed how bland it was, I very well built car, but exciting not.
This is why I switched to Alfa
@@mofayer What did you drive before the 3 series? The people coming from Corollas will find 3 series more dynamic. I came from Gti and 3 series feels weird to me lol.
@@wyw201 nothing special. 2010 civic 2dr ex, steering was amazing razor sharp, bmw was lame, zero feedback.
@@mofayer You’ll be so disappointed in the new Civics then 😂
I test drove the TLX. It is a nearly perfect all-around sports-luxury package. I would definitely pick this over the G70 and ES. Yes - it holds its own over the Germans. Pound for pound it offers a better overall value of luxury, tech, and engineering.
Against the German cars? Yeah right
Say that to your boss or company owner
@Yes Sir yea super car not a car priced at 50k lol stupid comparison
shit infotainment
Its numb and heavy and it can only be perceived as sporty when driving it normally. Not close at all to the germans. And pound for pound its not a better value cause its inferior in everything bar costs of maintenance. It doesnt have the tech or engineering of the germans, lol. An outdated A4 still drives smoother, its quieter and the tech works better in most conditions. These japanese cars can barely do adaptive speed control while the germans are fighting Tesla one to one on the semi autonomous drive.
@@an-dr6eu "it can only be perceived as sporty when driving it normally" How else do you drive it ?
Felt like I was car shopping in Gran Turismo for that intro.
Amazing dialogue during the driving segment. Some of your best, guys. I love the stark difference in opinions coming together.
Totally agree, it's really fun seeing two experts argue.
- If politics operated this way...CSPAN would be killing it.
Makes it so much more interesting than two guys just reading a script. Love it
Time and time again you keep on proving you're the absolute BEST at deciphering and describing cars as they are, avoiding all the hype trains and saying it like it is. In my opinion you're the best car reviewer on UA-cam. Keep up the great work!
That drive portion was amazing, jack trying to come at things objectively and more enthusiast side. Mark coming in with the different mindset of treating the car for what it is trying to accomplish and not being a cookie cutter machine with a badge attached and appreciating what acura has done with this car to make it theirs. I cant wait to see what the type s will be if this regular version is already so good.
"They even tune all or nothing Honda/Acura style brake into brake by wire" 😂😂😂
They never said this, idiot.
@@danielc1417 10:16 He's paraphrasing, but Jack did say this
Daniel comin’ for the neck ☠️
@@danielc1417 who shat in your cereals that faithful morning?
This sedan is the Japanese equivalent of the Volvo S60 IMO... not trying to be someone else, but doing it's niche better than anyone else
Solid comparison
Just bought a S60 T6 and was thinking during this review that this sounds an awful lot like my car.
I'm looking for nicer/sportier sedans, and most people tend to cross-shop the TLX, IS300/350 or GS350. I've also looked closely at the S60 myself which probably has the best interior but is the slowest of the bunch with a really soft shifting transmission from what reviews have said. (and the least power).
this isnt a niche product though- its perfect for most luxury sedan buyers to be honest
@@ciello___8307 Luxury sedans themselves have become niche products, especially those not super popular from BMW or Mercedes.
Loved this review. Love the sharing of perspectives and the passion that comes from Goose. Too many people have this “BMW is godly” mindset.
I agree very true
Then you must be living in a parallel universe because pretty much all of internet has been saying that BMWs are unreliable junk for over a decade.
Yeah, a 330i is not the "ultimate driver's car" some people make it out to be. It's actually a pretty boring drive.
@@TheBreakfastLover It's still a reference point for fun and handling in the class that it created. Lexus themselves bought a 3-series, admitted it was more fun to drive than the IS and used it as a benchmark when developing the new model.
it seems to me that driving in a straight line, making a turn, then driving again in a straight line is a common american "handling benchmark", and in that sense yes, there's nothing special about the 3 series. it's refined and you don't feel any excitement, the same as acura which is significantly cheaper to buy and run in the usa.
but if you took those cars on, say, a narrow mountain road, there the differences would suddenly widen. shorter overhangs, better balance, better weight transfer in connected corners, more responsiveness etc.
you may ask - well, how often do you take your 3 series or tlx to a mountain road? if you live in most parts of the usa, you don't. in that case the tlx really is a wiser choice overall. for most people, more than 99% of driving is daily commuting.
my point is, you simply cannot say that 3 series is dull by not even bringing it to its limit. every well insulated modern car is boring in that case, but some remain boring beyond that as well.
This is arguably you guy's best review this year. Some might call that arguing, I call it passionate debate. I loved it guys and changed my entire perspective of the TLX for the better.
Wow, you almost had a fight there between Jack German and Mark Japanese!
-- 3pm. Flagpole. Bring a WHIP -- Jack.
I think Mr. Goose is pretty good with his hands...
I can't get over how this new TLX is bigger than E-class, etc. but has less interior space despite being transverse engine, it's absurd.
It's a HUGE "mid sized" car. Feels like a huge car. Heavy, static, unhurried. And the back seats are just tiny. I still loved it.
they wasted a lot of that space and usability trying to make it look like rwd proportions
I really liked the old body style which could actually be considered the size of a sports sedan. I wish they would have just kept it with the new interior space even though that’s ridiculous.
Nowadays people don’t buy sedans for the space or for family use they use SUVs for that. So the interior space wasn’t a priority
@@f181234 right I’m saying if the interior space doesn’t need to be bigger then why make the whole car so much bigger?
The in car debate segment was perfect and I was sad when it was over. I watched it twice. What a great review. Thank you.
This review sealed the deal for me. Totaled my IS 350 AWD and wanted something less common and less dull than base model German cars. Love the character of this car and don't regret purchasing it.
A wise man once said. "Honda is a company of Engineers"
This was one of the best reviews!
And GM is a company of accountants
@@n9athan GM- Go to Mechanic
@@NaijaBull general or generic merchandise...
@Aloha Snackbar that is harsh
The automotive landscape is changing rapidly. In a few years we will all look back and realize that "these are the good ol' days".
Yup, soon enough your steering brakes and gas will need to connect to Instagram Facebook and Snapchat before setting off.
@@KhalidAlkhwyter you won't have things to touch to control a vehicle soon enough. The mast majority of people don't want to drive, they just want to go places. with acceptance of all the nanny tools shoved into a lot of cars, that transition will be easier.
@@alansmilealot Soon we will need to interface with the machines in our life through uttering odd dial up tones reminiscent of the 90s because human communication is too slow.
I think you're exactly right about the BMW 3 Series being completely overblown and all hype. It was a great cars 20 years ago.
The G20 M340i brought the fun back.
@@JAnx01 but the looks, as with all current BMWs, are terrible.
@@TheHomeExpert5 But what exactly do you mean by "overblown and all hype"? Pretty much everybody has been saying that they're all unreliable junk with expensive repairs, for over a decade. That is all I see. So where is the hype?
@@JAnx01 exactly, this is what conventional wisdom was saying for decades now and I didn’t know any better until I got my e90. It is great and feels a lot more engaging than its era’s competitors like b8 a/s4 or c300/c350
Thank you for calling the old v6 nose heavy. Just drove a 2018 v6 sh-awd and it dove all over the place. Salesman was surprised I noticed it
Thanks for the bossa nova intro. That gave some real Gran Turismo vibes. I wouldn't mind seeing that more often. Really appreciate it.
I loved it too. It made me think of Sergio Mendes and I almost got up and danced. Almost, lol!
I was getting Gran Turismo vibes from the intro too. I almost waited for the GT logo to pop up.
I loved seeing you two debate this vs the Germans towards the end there.
The thing about the German cars bothers me. I hope to see a fall in their sales eventually because a good car shouldn't only be a good car for 4 years. That's preposterous...
@@btownballer27 I'm with you 100%. Though I have a 2013 VW that's still going strong due to proper maintenance. Supposedly they're good if you keep up on Maintenance. I'll find out for myself here shortly I guess.
@@MrHav1k the "German" cars that I mainly talk about here is the BMW Mercedes and Audis. VWS economy side isn't as ruthlessly unreliable but it isn't great albeit.
I absolutely love how you guys freely 'argue' and defend your points of view when they differ from one another. Shows that you guys are genuine unbiased automotive journalists. Best in the bizz!
Jeez, this argument was probably my favorite part! It just showed how authentic you guys are, and how different both of you can see things. Excellent video, it was great having multiple point of views.
The new TLX is a stunning car
This brings the brand back to form and I really can’t wait to see the Type S🔥
100% agree with you!
It will be slower and handle worse in every way compared to its 3 series competition. If that's fine, then yeah. Personally i think it looks great. Performance wise its a joke. Maybe with a tune and some suspension tuning from the money saved (not buying a 3er) it could be dope.
They made the new TLX look much better than other more recent Acura models
Which is crazy because it looks more like their iconic 2006 TL than anything else in between. That’s all we ever asked Acura to do
I think it still looks boring and too Japanese
@@mike786551 I don’t quite agree on the boring part, but it does look Japanese for a reason.
@@RubmaLione TBH I love how the new Accord looks and every time I see one I wanna turn my head still lol. Not with this car tho. It doesn't excite me design wise at at all. This from someone who drives a current model Audi
The A-Spec is really sexy. It will have presence on the road imo
This car doesn’t only have the fundamentals but this car is art. The interior and exterior look like a masterpiece.
I saw the A spec over the weekend in a showroom, and my jaw dropped. Beautiful in silver!!!!!!
Looks great but I don’t agree with the interior
Interior is not a “masterpiece “.
@@antcantcook960 I said looks like a masterpiece, not is a masterpiece.
The Honda SH-AWD has impressed the hell out of me, I cannot believe how well my Ridgeline hauls its fat tail around a corner when I push it.
I’m not sure the ridge line has awd
All ridgelines are equipped with AWD.
@@philipjohn1338 yes but not sh awd, that’s a more expensive s system with more than 1 clutch pack. The rig line uses a real-time awd that only spins up the rear wheels at the same speed when needed, it’s completely different.
The Geese went Savage😄
I didn't teach my children about knobs and switches at all. They figured out how to drool on their Amazon Fire 7 Kids Edition Tablet to unlock doors, turn lights on and order McRibs.
I tried the McRib for the first time this year. It was pretty good but I don’t really understand the hype tbh. Then again, I’m not really a McDonalds man in the first place.
@@kevinnorris6558 Yeah, I think I've met my McRib quota this year at 5... Poor septic system has been taking a beating... It's just fun to see the sandwich make a return every once and a while. And of course bathe in the glory of its scent.
If the McRib could be digitally eaten on an ipad, todays children would transcend humanity.
@@christopher-gardner Once I get my Elon implant I will be transitioning.
Are they also driving their cars while operating the tablet? I'm a millennial all the way through and even I know that depending on touch for most operations is stupid.
Hearing the details makes me miss my 2003 TL. 3.2L V6, smooth driving, just enough power at 226hp.
This was one of my favorite reviews you guys have done. I'm really looking forward to testing this car, and y'all's disagreement just solidified my interest in it. Awesome work! 👍🏻
I like your final thoughts and I agree that each car company should have their own recipe. This makes the car market more colorful.
I agree
Well said
Agree with your statement regarding people putting BMWs on a pedestal. I've own 2, '08 335i sadan and '11 335i coupe w/xdrive. They were sweet, but there are better out there. I got rid of them both for fear of reliability.
How was the reliability on the 11'? My brother just purchased an 11' 335i and I'm very curious on how long the car will last even on timed maintenance
@@Summer0fLove1967 for the most part, not bad. The turbos on the 08 were going out at 68K miles so I sold the 11 at 59K miles because I was worried
@@robertschenkjr69 My 08' 335i E93 has 93,698 miles on it with the original turbos. Kind of wish they would fail soon so I can upgrade them myself for some Vargas turbos instead of the stock OEM Mitsubishi's. The N55 is more reliable compared to the N54 but you lose tuning potential.
Not to mention BMW's are worth Dick after only a few years, expensive to repair, and dont seem reliable. If you want a bmw, mercedes or audi just lease them and then get rid if them.
@@hugostiglitz8465 If you want a new Euro car yeah just lease. If you like to wrench though look for a good deal on the used car market. I got my BMW for free since it was sort of a barn yard find abandoned for 2 years. So, I'm not complaining 😁
i have to be honest, first time watching your channel. i was extremely impressed with how detailed, professional and observant you guys were reviewing this vehicle.
Build these everyday at work. Glad you enjoyed the car. Just started building the Type S and can't wait to see your review on that car.
I hit subscribe and was immediately slathered with underwear from the men’s department
Lol
savage wears underwear ? I know I don't - not like I'm a lady and might need cab fare occasionally .
I like the point brought up in the final thoughts. In the past, all manufacturers tried to bring their own game to the table, somewhere along the line a “meta” was stablished and individual identities vanished to merely aesthetics. Its good to see that some of it has come back.
Just got a TLX w/ Tech package…..love it! Lots of looks and thumbs up when driving it. The stereo system is just amazing….it’s SO comfortable to drive. Infotainment is easy to use with the touchpad…I love driving it
how is the room in the back? From pictures and videos I've seen, it looks pretty small back there
@@789raidenI sat in one, it’s like a Civic size. That’s the main flaw with the car imo
@Dave Wilson really want to get this one but my main issues are the rear space and mpg people seem to be getting is pretty bad. Thinking of the Integra as well
Haven't watched geese videos in a while, watched this whole thing today. This is why I'm subbed, pure knowledge and real emotions through the review. Probably the only car review I enjoy rn. The argument between mark and jack is considered the best part for me. There's no blind agreement, but rather two enthusiast speak about their feelings. Good content.
I bought one of these in the A-Spec SH-AWD Trim and you pretty much hit the nail on the head in terms of ups and downs with this car. I'm coming from the last generation TLX with the 3.5 and while I do miss the sound and smoothness of that powertrain at times, the Turbo 4 with the 10-speed is really good too and I've had no complaints with it. This car just feels a lot more substantial than my last one did on the road while also feeling more neutral and balanced in its handling. 3 months in and I have no regrets.
I’m between this and the g70. Would love to hear your thoughts after about a year of ownership which I’m guessing is somewhere around where you’re at. I’ve never driven one but I’m going to soon
@@mattbrown942 I still love the car a year in. It’s sitting at 12K miles rn. Been on a couple road trips and it’s a great long distance car too. I did install the KTuner Stage 2 to give it a bit more response along with Ventus V12 tires and it’s perfect as a daily for what I want
@@scarboy6693 How much did that tune cost and what kind of numbers you get hp and torque now? Only things that makes me hesitant with tlx is lack of power for the weight so that’s why I’m asking
@@mattbrown942 $450 is what I paid and you install it yourself with a laptop. Per KTuner it should be at 320hp/340 torque but I haven’t put the car on a dyno to verify. However it definitely feels a lot more responsive and quick compared to stock
How’s the car on gas currently?
I'm surprised how positive Mark was with this car. I'm really looking forward to his thoughts on the Type-S and also the "new" IS350 F-Sport (assuming he gets the RWD version).
There's basically nothing new about the IS350. That car is like 90% the same as the 2005 release. I really like Lexus, but man, between their horrible infotainment and 15 year old 2GR variant, it's time they do a real refresh.
@@neilquinn Right. Lexus was about the only luxury brand I was considering (I buy for the long term) but it was just not quite there. Acuras are too big for my garage/use. Ended up with a Mazda3. Hopefully Lexus ups there game in that respect.
Favorite episode in awhile, the disagreement provides a lot of insight into the car world. Such a great episode.
You have been my favorite review channel for quite a long time...but THIS episode. This. This is how's it's freaking done! Two rational grown-ups actually TALKING about how they feel about a car/product/whatever. This was amazing to watch, without question my favorite review you've done (and the latest deep dives...which are what I live for, are freaking phenomenal).
11/10 would recommend. Damn this was a great review. Thank you so much for not cutting that stuff out or transparently just backing down and 'agreeing' with the person with more views or a louder mouth.
Damn this was great. 👏👏👏
I thought that I accidentally fired up Gran Turismo when the intro came on.
Same bro lmao
If you are looking at Acura and Lexus, You don't consider BMW 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Sooo True
And vice-versa: Who wants a slow 48K car and understeer plow-fest? IMO, the 330i x-drive will be far more capable, more fun, WAY faster, and have a way better transmission than the TLX -- with a 50/50 weight distribution to boot. I think Mark's impression of the 3 series is that of the prior generation, F30 -- that ended production in 2018. The current generation is WAY better in every measurable way.
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow most people buying an Acura or Lexus prioritize reliability and don't really give af about weight distribution
@@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow i drove 200 bucks 84 ford orion 60hp junk and was running on bumpers of 50 50 weight distributed bmw's.... On a twisty road ofc. Newer lost to those pluckers. Than had 01 s40 t4 2800lb 220hp and no one wanted to race me after pulling in 3 gear and that thing could corner. Was taking corner at 150km on tight back roads. Now 07 k24 typeS and it is more reasonable to race with someone because under 5500k rpm it is a dead car and I don't like to trash it to much.
Only time I lost was to a souped up yougo.
...my point is BMW people are a bunch of specs readers that don't know a thing about driving.
@@CL9k24a3 ... Lol. That's the pot calling the kettle black! Reread your post dude. What a hypocrite
@@wigletron2846 and likewise, they don't care about performance. If you want to buy a 48k car that will literally (if the 0-60 times are to be believed) lose a sprint to a fucking toyota camary, go ahead. The more intelligent people will buy loaded accords and save an assload of money for an equally decently built interior and equally slow car, and the people who want actual "luxury sports car" performance will just do what they've always done: buy a 3 series.
That dialog while driving sold me on this new TLX...
I've owned an E class and 5 series in the past.
Wow! What a great review! I was planning to buy a Type S version of this car in a year or so but after watching this, I'm not 100% opposed to getting the 4 cylinder. Looks like such a fun car to drive. And I have to say that Acura nailed the styling! This is a handsome car! Thoroughly enjoyed watching this review.
It is incredibly fun to drive. I recommend taking an Advance Package TLX out for a test drive, putting turn-by-turn GPS instructions on the HUD, and linking up a 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround playlist on Spotify. It's a pretty awesome driving experience.
Somehow those beautiful dulcet jazz tones at the start of this video suit the character of this car....nice job
I feel like this is how reviews should be done
I’m a guy that is looking at this car for the spring, specifically the Type-S. I love the guys at The Straight Pipes, but they missed the mark on this review where I believe you nailed it. The performance will come with the Type-S, but the whole package, including the infotainment, which isn’t nearly as bad as they said (deal breaker??), is pretty much perfect. Another point you hit on the head is about the cross shopping with the Germans. If I wanted over-priced, over hyped, fall apart after (and sometimes during) warranty, then I would look at the Germans, butI’m not cross shopping them. Great dynamics, one of the best sound systems in the business, long term reliability (why look under the hood...lol), and likely great resale, the TLX has it.
TheStraightPipes was too hung up on parking pawl, voice-recognition of "Jakub W", and the concept car to appropriately review the actual car.
One of the best reviews on this car! Interesting and valid opposing view points. Well done both of you.
"The 2021 TLX. The most controversial vehicle of the year."
No that would be the new 4 series and M3/M4 by BMW
@@f181234 2 series now lol
@@f181234 the only thing controversial about those is which color hides the grill best
pretty much!
@@air-headedaviator1805 that car made more headlines than the TLX
A 28 minute review and we only had about 15 seconds to actual see what the car looked like. I was about 10 mins in and i thought ‘what does it look like again?’.
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Yes you can google, as someone commented, but I agree with you. Usually they used to have a fairly long exterior montage (Mark would comment on that too), with a bunch of views and interesting looks, which here is missing.
True!!
This is my biggest issue with this channel, (and many other channels too). We need to see, and admire the looks of these cars, not just briefly glance at them.
Great review...just picked an A-Spec model up after doing months of contemplation and research. Coming from a 2010 A4, which I loved, this car is just amazing...super happy with my choice.
"I subscribed to savagegeese and the Arby's shift leader stopped sending me home over my exposed lower back tattoo"
This is one of my favorite videos from you guys. The technical information was great and I loved the different perspectives you both had. Good food for thought.
thank you for putting the Audio review back in!! Us "tech weenies" love it!
I love you guys showed your opinions, kept it real, on topic, and genuine to your own experiences -each!
This is hands down one of my favorite channels on UA-cam. Thank you for another great episode.
I really appreciate this review and I was pulling my hair out at other channels bemoaning and complaining that this wasn't the enthusiast car they wanted it to be.
It appears to me that Honda went with a "safe bet" by not making it too sporty or not making it too soft/luxury. Goose's take brought realism to the review and he kept saying "the average driver" which is lost on a lot of people - there is a lot of bang for the buck here on the TLX, and Honda at least is doing a great job of kitting out their trims compared to what someone would get for equally priced German cars.
I think car reviewers get too lost in the enthusiast space between going to track days and reading the comments of people who actually watch car channels; the UA-cam community (reviewers and commenters) forget that we're a niche market of a niche market. The world according to the UA-cam Car Community has no fake-engine noise, manual transmissions, RWD or Rear-biased AWD, and twin turbo V6s.
98% of the comments I read and 50% of the videos I watch forget just who is actually buying cars and what consumers look for, because - again, as Goose said - they consume so much information and drive in so many cars that they forget the avg consumer isn't going to notice minutia like they will.
In looking for a midsize SUV, my GF test drove the CRV, Santa Fe, Forester, and the Outback. All of those stopped existing to her once she finally drove a CX-5. There are probably think pieces on why any of those cars is better than the CX-5 but at the end of the day, that one was the best car FOR HER.
Reviewers are stuck on comparing this to BMWs and Audis, but I think that A) ppl who have it in their heads that they're buying a RWD sport luxury car or ppl that "only buy German", aren't the target market for this car; and B) people that do cross shop will find a lot to love in *how* this car drives and what comes with the pricetag compared to the competition.
People buy cars today comparing specs/price and brand loyalty. The 4 cil TLX will be compared with entry level BMW, MB and Audi's. At that level, the Acura engine is really good, more power and torque than competition and interior has real materials as opposed to all the plastic you get in the Germans. I have an RDX A Spec and my dad has an entry level MB GLB and I fell downgraded when I sit in the MBs plastic, plain, almost utilitarian look. Never mind the driving and the stereo, where Acura wins by a large margin. But from outside, it has a MB badge, mine is an Acura. But objectively, for the same money, Acura is far more satisfying in every respect. What Acura was lacking is a sports trim that competes with the AMG, M series, and with the Type S it will be a great fight and I can't wait for the reviews
One thing I really appreciate about this channel is that both of you aren't afraid to disagree with each other, it really adds some more depth and a different perspective
I'm starting to really like this blue paint as a "mature" executive-type commuter car. And I forget if I've said this before, but I truly appreciate all the time you guys spend on the interior and dashboard.
Definitely, 'saw a Acura rdx in the dark blue paint and I loved it, it imprinted that paint color as a more refined luxury color in my mind
OMG, I thought they were going to punch each other and it's the most fun I've had watching a car review in a long time. I haven't been so invested, nor laughed so hard watching a car show in years.
Man for a minute I thought that TLX was about to turn into a Phone Booth Knife Fight 😨😅
Gucci Bobbi OK Google calendar no Google
Or into a pole...
True. The awd system tricks you. It feels rwd biased. Driving in the snow it's the luxury car to have.
It is RWD biased during cornering.
The Geese wearing a Goose...another very informative and insightful review. Keep it goin guys!
This dual reviewer format really gels with these guys ... they have unique perspectives and they deliver them coherently
At least Acura is not following the huge ass grill bandwagon
*Genesis tries to hide but can’t cuz of the grill the size of A village*
Ha ha ha, agreed, their grill is amazing, a perfect balance of being big enough to not be a tiny strip, but still looking good, not a giant electric razor like Lexus (they have the WORSE grills), or the newer BMWs (even worse, it's like they have a tumor or something), and I'm not even gonna talk about the last Toyota Avalon or the newer Audis, Fords, etc...
Anyway, I have a 2018 TLX and it looks REALLY GOOD from the front. Actually the 2018 TLX profile and rear kinda look like a Camry with bigger wheels (which is a LOT better that the camry), and the front end looks great too. My only real complaint about the car is its (VERY) sluggish transmission, which coupled with a v6 that has not much torque under 2500rpm (but is wonderful over that), means you always have a delay unless you're in sport+ mode which basically keeps the engine over 3000rpm cruising around. I heard the 2021 is better in that regard... Might upgrade in a couple years.
Also, I wouldn't mind the trunk being a sedan shaped hatchback opening, like a Tesla model S, because that means the big cooler that I use for groceries would be able to fit in the trunk without having to angle it first (which I'm not doing if it's full of groceries). Therefore I have to put it either on the back seat and put a seal belt to keep it in place, or, easier solution, use my wife's car, which IS a hatchback (but nowhere near as nice to drive around, it's a 2009 Prius).
But that's ok, I can deal with it. The only real complaint is the transmission. Apart from that it's a really pleasant car to drive, with enough power to be more sporty if I wish so, but more of a smooth luxury car if I keep it out of sport mode. The AWD is fantastic too, gets me around snow etc easily. Very good value car, very reliable and comfortable. I've also pulled off 32mpg of real life consumption on a trip from Boston to NYC, while driving pretty normally too, not particularly slow.
@@sentientspaghetti1898 The Genesis grill works....
I loved the discussion on German vs Acura tbh
Jack never intended the discussion to go that way. He just wanted to categorize the car and used the 3 -series as a reference.
Seeing discourse without rage is so refreshing in this day in age. The Cable News folks could learn a thing or two from this episode! And like another commenter said it totally lends to your credibility. Great episode!
Such a good discussion between you two during the drive I had to watch it twice.
From someone who owns this car, it handles amazingly, it’s fast, and comfortable.
Still have it? Still love it?
You guys have to review an 04-08 Acura TL now! Really want to see whether Mark or Jack changes their mind
The heated banter is very good. Honest point and counterpoint is hard to come by in automotive journalism.
Also, dramady is an interesting new sub-genre for the car review space.
My '06 TL (thanks for the honorable mention) is a great car Mark! I still love driving it and puts a smile on my face every time. Your Honda biased roots on were full display in this episode and I felt it...and I loved it!
What a car! It’s longer with tighter interior; it uses more aluminum but weighs heavier with a 4 cylinder; it has a new 10 speed helping deliver more torque while running 0-60 slower!
No reason to choose over an A4
I sell German brand ( luxury one) but I drive a TLX , recently I went to see this new 2021 and I fell in love. The quality of the interior design and all the technology is increíble and superior. I've been driving Acura for the last 9 years and never had a problem is a solid car runs amazing and now looking forward with turbo charged.
The review I was waiting for! You never fail to be truthful and not bash a car for senseless things like other channels. 👍🏼
Great review as always, I love the back and forth conversation between you two while providing valid points. Just one gripe, why are you guys comparing this to the ES and not the IS. I think that’s the real closer competition while talking Lexus. Just my two cents.
It was interesting how they compared it to the older TL series. I enjoyed my old TSX, much more nimble and fun to drive. Acura had 2 different versions vs the TLX which replaced TSX and TL. Waiting for them to drive the Type S at this point.
I have a 2021 TLX ASpec. I love the interior. All the features it has is incredible for the price!. the real leather, ventilated seats, navigation, and more is a better value over the germans.
I've also owned a 2017 BMW 530i, it didn't have half the features or even the power this TLX has.
When comparing a daily, the TLX hands down is the best value....at least for me.
Plus the ELS sound system is one of the best i've heard way better then the mark levinson in Lexus.
I am also a sucker for Acuras Jewel eye LED headlights. SUPER bright at night.
Thats just me two cents....
I appreciate how you guys disagreed with no filters, while both making a compelling argument--reminder of how real and genuine his channel is. You guys make a great team.
Debate disagreement and insightful discussion. Imagine if we can do that will all social and political topics.
You are one of the best auto reviewers out there....I really enjoy your channel. Great job to you and Jack!