Portugal: The Dirty Truth Behind Green Cars I ARTE.tv Documentary
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- Lithium is crucial for use in batteries, and as Europe tried to go green and switch to electric cars, demand for this white gold is skyrocketing. The EU imports most of its lithium, but its demand keeps increasing. Mining companies are tempted by the possibility of finding and exploiting reserves right here in Europe. But that would mean sacrificing small rural communities, for 'the greater good'.
According to the European Commission, Europe will need 18 times more lithium by 2030, and almost 60 times more in 2050. Why? Mainly for electric car batteries and energy storage batteries.
According to Thierry Breton, the European Commissioner responsible in particular for industrial policy, "Europe is positioning itself to be almost self-sufficient in lithium for our batteries by 2025."
The largest lithium deposits in Europe are believed to be in Portugal. Several companies have prospected and intend to exploit the basements of different areas in the north of the country. But the first steps in this process met with opposition from local populations. According to the mayor of one of the municipalities concerned, “the greatest value we have today is not lithium, but biodiversity. The region of Montalegre and Boticas is classified "world agricultural heritage" by the FAO.
The debate is complex: to become greener, must Europe exploit its resources by digging up part of its underground?
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now rio tinto, international mining company, wants to mine lithium in Serbia, we should all get together and help each other in stoping this planet destroying maddness
What was the last major project in Portugal which came from the EU? Plant millions of highly inflamable eucalyptus trees to feed the paper industry and what happens, the whole country becomes a bonfire for half the years. Taxpayers pay for a huge fire brigade and still 70 deaths in one area a couple of years ago, plus millions of euros lost in burnt out houses mostly poor people with no insurance.
This will be the same disaster and the poor will be the same victims.
Isn't that how it is? More, more, always more. My grandparents lived on two acres. Not much land, but grew enough vegetables for themselves and the family, and enough left over to sustain a couple other families. They canned the produce and had food to last the winter. A neighbor raised chickens and traded some for produce, so about once a week, we had grandma's fried chicken. We drew water from a well and the toilet was outside about 100 feet or so from the house on the down side so the waste was carried away from the drinking water. The people in this film have a beautiful life, not easy, but rewarding as they sustain themselves. Would be a shame on humanity if their way of life is destroyed all in the name of progress. Much talk of climate change, but will that be what ends us? Maybe not. Maybe it will be our insatiable appetite for MORE, MORE, AND STILL MORE.
what the documentary does not say, is that the all area is a Protected Biosphere Diversity Reserve, protected by Unesco as a Human Tresor and Patrimony!
I was born in Porto. Some of the best red meat avaiable there since I was a kid was "Barrosa": from this region (you can see the long horn cows in the doc). I'm an environmental engineer, local government manager, and currently live and work in Australia. All in favor of EVs. However what sense does it make to mine lithium (or any other resource) from an open mine at a prestine food bowl (cheese, lamb, veal, all produced here)? None, zero. Source it from inhabited, without alternative or agricultural uses land (like desert areas in Western Australia, Chile or China). Not the source of the best meat in a small, densely populated country. Alternativelly do an underground mine following best practice. I own mine stocks. Not against mining. However could never support an open mine project in this region. If this thing gets closer to going ahead as open mine, I will get on a plane to help stop the non sense.
Time to jump on a plane - the cowardly animals from Lisbon have just given this abomination the green light...
The frustration is completely understandable yet if you look at this from a macroscopic view, the EU has to look at the interests of 447 million people and this is an opportunity it just can’t pass on.
This so so sad I have been looking into lithium mining and it's terrible. Follow the money 💰
Thank you for your comment
If you don’t mind me asking, what are some discoveries you’ve made. I’ve also recently started looking into it to see the truth behind this “clean” and “green” solution.
@@forgedrods15 I don't know how I could begin to explain in the comments. Simply the amount of water they are using in places that get a few millimeters of rain a year and the effect that has on locals. There is so much honestly there was a 25 million dollar lawsuit won that never went to the people that had to move there whole life cause the water disappeared. Look at rivers drying up around areas the mine lithium using the brine evaporation method. Literally so much not even talking about the other rare elements needed for our green energy and the human and environmental cost of it all of them. What country are you from
@@forgedrods15 so much more and honestly it's crooked from basically every angle. The real Villains of the world are the same people pretending to protect it.
And in 15 years time when a better battery design is found, using something other than Lithium... then what, this village will be ruined but never mind as the mining company and gov got to line their pockets well.
Explain how the town will be ruined? TAXES are paid, ROYALTIES are paid, they go to the local community. You can own shares, anyone in Portugal can own the shares.
@@FlyNavyEatCrab move there and find out.
The periodic table is limited as long as lithium the prices are okay there wont be an alternative. Solid state batteries use even more lithium.
Some people need to get a proper job, the standard of hypocrisy is staggering, filmed with cameras powered by lithium batteries for a start.
So the "dirty truth" is a bad view? 1kg Lithium is better than oil or an simple avocado. It can be recycled to 95-99%. Peasantry talking about hydrogen knowing nothing about technology lol. Build the mine.
this is horrible. pushing electric cars for the potential of zero emissions is the dumbest idea when to get zero in one vehicles the environment is destroyed.
The comments are a clear sign of the lack of information the central government provide to the common citizen . Lithium it's not coal , having the biggest lithium deposits in west Europe must be a good thing for the Portuguese as a whole and not , as usual , given to a handful of people in a shiny office somewhere on the other side of the world
What about a video called "the dirty true behind oil" or "the dirty true behind coal. In general you should make a video about" the dirty true behind all mining"
BUT BUT where would people get their cars, phones and laptops etc..... Modern mining techniques and recovery plans at closure have moved on in the last 20 years!
@@FlyNavyEatCrab You dont have the right to take our land away so you can make better phones and cars do it in private land in your own country
@@grs0397 1. It is not your land. 2. It is either the Government's land or a Private land owner. 3. It is to provide Portuguese lithium converters with feed stock (jobs and money in Portugal through participation in the EU battery alliance... You wi not get the mobey or associated industries if you don't offer something to the table - BILLIONS at stake here) on to make EU cars potentially put together in Portugal and for sale in the EU and Portugal... So, it is for Portugal and the EU. You are welcome! So are you happy to buy your phones and cars that have materials mined somewhere else? 🤔
There's plenty of those documentaries out there showing the effects. Do some research. Try searching for lithium mining and it's very close doors.
@@grs0397 you do understand its registered in uk. Like crispr a swiss company registered in the US, but anybody in the world can own it? So buy shares, grant the mine and cry in a porsche.
In the other region they show, Nature was tottally destryed by the mining of uranium and other minerals (Volframio)
LITIO?... Não ! Não! Não! Não! NÃO!....
There's a lot of money in going green. Where are the environmentalists you ask?
Go green electric cars this is not green at all feel bad for these people
Not a third of clean energy, 12/15%.
One has to note, that all these decision makers such as the man at 17:57 seem to have nice spacious offices, full bellies and are not living in or near the site of the mines. Funny that isn't it.
Portugal should be happy they should have more job s
Mon père est originaire de cette zone, j'ai donc légitimement le droit de dire 🖕🇪🇺 !!
Je n’arrive pas me forger un avis là dessus, mais je constate juste qu’après avoir vu cette vidéo de votre part: ua-cam.com/video/VrNlZh_fxgA/v-deo.html j’ai pu comparé les deux cartes présentes dans les vidéos (à 21:19 dans celle ci et à 9:03 dans l’autre) et COMME PAR HASARD, ce sont les régions totalement délaissées qui sont les plus touchées.
Libre à chacun de se faire la réflexion qu’il souhaite.
Sinon, arte toujours au top!
Thanks very much for sharing people deserve true 😘
You could learn a thing or two why fossil fuel cars are so much worse - ua-cam.com/video/1oVrIHcdxjA/v-deo.html
Everything is about money, and more money to the rich, disgusting people
The projects do not support the rich, everyone with €1 could buy a share. You do understand the concept of share ownership is PUBLIC. Any one can buy from 1 share. Secondly it provides jobs locally, money spent locally, taxes paid locally, taxes and royalties paid to Government. Production supply to other Portuguese companies, expanded involvement in the EU battery chsin and associated funding benefits Portuguese businesses and economy. This is is way bigger than you and benefits many!
You know this could be sternly help grow Portugal’s economy
Amazing video thanks
Why the pinned link to Big Wave Surfing ? This is nothing more than CLICK BAIT by a bunch of people trying to justify their existence as low quality film makers living off EU grants.
The problem with mining is not the problem with electric cars though. It's the same as saying that electric cars are bad because electricity is produced with coal. Well, change it? This sadly is click bait.
Respectfully I disagree.
The electric car (as it is) is not a solution. It is another technological development with its own set of drawbacks. In the case of the electric car these drawbacks are not insignificant.
The problem (one of them) is that our industrial culture demands so much energy to continue its project.
For electric cars to serve that project they would have to replace petrol-powered cars.
Mass production requires mass extraction... and yet more energy.
One of the points the video makes is that it is often assumed because a car is electric and doesn't use petrol it 'magically' escapes the carbon matrix
The electric car does not solve the problem of global industrial civilization ... it is more like a symbolic gesture. Moving the impact from one setting to another doesn't make an impact go away...
The only really practical response would have to involve not only greater efficiency but some large-scale form of de-growth... but that would contradict the logic (or should we say the fantasy?) of techno-capitalism, and so it like some many other factors is not part of the equation... which leaves Nature to provide the limits that our fantasies fail to acknowledge. Another externalization of costs by the system. one could say.
@@christianrokicki You are absolutely correct that we have a problem with wasting resources and the capitalist idea of growth at the expense of nature and society. However, lithium is extremely abundant and we could mine it in less harmful ways. What these EV-critical documentaries do, is distract from the actual problem, which is unhinged capitalism. Nevertheless EVs are better than fossil cars in every conceivable scenario, even though they are not a magical solution to emissions and resource management.
@@christianrokicki how trees related to lithium 🔋? Really bad docu in explaining that
@@christianrokicki It is about the least evil.....Capitalism and owning assets COSTS......you have to do it the least costly way..... and EVs are least costly to the environment than fossil fuel cars..... ua-cam.com/video/1oVrIHcdxjA/v-deo.html
The electric car has proven to be more poluent than a diesel one just because u need alot more resources to produce it.
No too mining here!
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It's such a beautiful town. It's sad to think that it has to be destroyed to make a British company very wealthy while the people in the town lose everything. How would British people feel if a Portuguese company came to the UK and wanted to destroy a small farming town?
You sound like a Troll...... Explain to me how the village will be destroyed? The company will not be wealthy, peopel who buy shares could make some money, ANYONE can own the shares. They have nothing already, this will bring jobs, monet, hotels will be used, homes will be rented, shops will have more money spent in them..... When you rrite dumb things expect and answer tellign you how dumb you are. Any Portuguese person can own some of this company.
@@FlyNavyEatCrab The irony of being called stupid when you yourself misspell write as "rite." With your logic any wealthy company should have the right to exploit the resources of foreign countries because there is a POSSIBILITY that the locals can buy shares of the company. It's 2021 and the colonizing countries (like the UK where you're from) are getting pushback. It's only a matter of decades before the UK economy implodes; all of its wealth was derived from exploiting the natural resources of other countries and that era is now over.
@@FlyNavyEatCrab Because its not your land to take its the locals land that have been dependant on them for hundreds and in other places thousands of years and now some foreign city boys want to take it away from them
@@heatherfeather9951 It's colonising actually, thought you would know that as you appear to be a member of the spelling and grammar police. It appears you are living several centuries behind the real world. Think about that as you type your reply on your lithium powered device.
@@sheldonweston4463 No, I'm an ignorant American who likes to give her opinion on all foreign matters. Surely if such mining were to commence, why not allow a Portuguese firm to buy the property and allow Portugal to reap the benefits of its natural resources? Why does the UK get to have authority over the resources of foreign countries? I think that the UK and its citizens are going to realize that the rest of world does not need it interfering with its politics or its commerce.