Thank you for bringing this RCS issue to your viewers. I actually messaged Telstra last week and asked Telstra when RCS will be available and they did not know. It is a real shame that Apple just can’t give access to RCS from their end and not have to rely on the Telco’s. In case you were not aware, if you tap on phone then voicemail, live voicemail from Apple is now available in Australia with iOS 18. This actually overrides your Telco’s voicemail system assuming it is set to answer 20 seconds or longer and the Apple visual voicemail is rather good.
Same thing , telstra store staff said to me its android only sir I showed her my phone and software ios 18 Then i showed her cannot turn it on or enable it She said sorry we dont know about it Then i asked her to send feedback She said not allowed to send feedback What is the point of these people so hopeless in telecommunication and dont want to help customers
@@AKTECH2222 People is the shops are only there for sales unfortunately. They get training on the plans only. If you do get someone that is knowledgeable, its because they have gone out of their way and got the information themselves.
My understanding - Aussie telcos don't need to set up their own RCS servers to handle RCS messaging between iOS and Android - they can use the Jibe server/exchange. But they do have to add or change a phone service config file to enable it. It's currently working with all the major carriers in the US - disappointing the Aussie telcos have just ignored it so far.
@@TechManPat Telstra closed my case and didn’t get back to me…. after I rang they told me they don’t support RCS and can’t tell me if they ever will. 😂….. hmmm indeed. 🫤
What I’m worried about is if you are with an MVNO like I am with ALDImobile, when will we get RCS? Is it dependant on the host carrier such as Telstra, or does each MVNO have to set up their own RCS server, in which case that might never happen. Apple should have created their own RCS servers. I tried contacting ALDImobile support and they immediately closed my ticket, so I submitted a complaint.
@@KhanPiesseONE I am also with ALDImobile and when I spoke to their support, they had no idea what I was even speaking about. Once you hear back from ALDImobile regarding your complaint, it will go to a different level which are pretty much the same as their support. Ask for your case to be escalated to the management team and you will get a call from an Aldi manager. I raised a case asking when ALDImobile will be getting ESim support and they had no idea. Why is it that other MVNO providers have access to eSIM yet, ALDImobile cannot get it together regarding eSIM.
I think Apple probably wants to do the minimum work in RCS as required by law/regulators but they don’t really care if the Telcos take a long time to bring RCS. Apple RCS servers would mean more work for Apple.
…and the first Telco proclaiming to do it will be Telstra.😂… meanwhile no one actually cares. But whilst Telstra throws effort at frivolous RCS support, they’re happily removing 3G service for the those that rely on it!? Telstra 🤨”There when you need it the most”🤨👎👎.
Why? Should we pat them on the heads and praise them for doing development they should have already been continuously working on for years? It's like telling my cat that he's a good boy; does he really deserve extra brownie points for eating his cat food and pooping in the litter box? It's nice to have RCS, but to be honest, they're about a DECADE too late, and most people are totally happy using WhatApp or Signal (or in reality having to have both). The only stubborn holdouts are iPhone users and they mostly don't want RCS anyway, they just want to use iMessage. I remember when my niece was in high school asking her how she could communicate with people that don't have iPhones and she actually said, "if they don't have an iPhone they can't be friends with us!". She still uses an iPhone, but she's outgrown that and has added WhatsApp to her phone too. ;-) Nearly every telco globally has acted shortsightedly on this issue, has tried to hold back messaging technology and spent decades milking SMS for revenue. This is the reason that messaging apps exist in the first place, they are a category that would never have succeeded if SMS development wasn't held back. Now RCS (even now driven by Google, NOT the telcos) is backfilling features into SMS, not actually innovating. There's really nothing in RCS that isn't already available from well established messaging apps already.
I thought they were only implementing RCS support to dodge potential anti-competitive/monopoly issues with US and Euro Govs? I was surprised they even thought of Australia. I hope they bring Messages via Satellite to Australia soon. Very often I have zero signal travelling on highways, so it would be nice to send an iMessage.
All the iOS 18 features I was looking forward too are not working or available like adaptive lighting on my matter lights and RCS I was excited to send my mate high quality pictures after years of having bad messaging I’m with Vodafone and used to not getting any better services
Just subscribed, about the 3rd video I've seen now. About a year ago 3/5 people were on iOS the others on Android, now it's much closer, basically 55/45 a month ago, according to statcounter, I've recently switched to iOS from Android after 15 years and this was one of the main 'barrier removals' I was expecting, but the Google jive part I didn't understand or look into until now. Hoping Vodafone, Optus and Telstra get on the wagon... Create(?) an RCS wagon.
Shouldn’t this RCS issue be brought to the attention of the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman, State & Federal Communications Ministers? WTF are playing @, imo & allegedly selling a “Pig in a Poke” iOS style. Have waited over 7mths for a series 9 watch health app issue to be resolved after all every iOS 17 reiteration couldn’t fix it & time spent screen recording only to receive “unable to set up @ this stage”. Have a call scheduled with US Health Team in Oct. 2024 so once again they sold an product that couldn’t deliver till the next update, “not happy Jan”. Thx great vlog on the no RCS issue, I looked into carrier settings for the option, obviously they weren’t there LOL.
yer ive al ready been asking Optus where iRCS is and as sed they don't even know about it. and they should of been getting ready for as there are a lot of ppl with iPhones
The big 3 Aussie telcos support visual voicemail. Vodafone is the only one that has mvno support for it though. The only non-Vodafone mvno with support is boost who uses the Telstra full Telstra network.
So does this mean Android users in Australia has RCS support for android to android, because Google has setup their own servers for RCS? If so, it makes sense for Apple to push this more to Telcos as this is an industry standard and last thing you want is a private corporation owning or managing all the components to enable an industry standard feature.
@@hilliard665 I see so it seems like for RCS it work, whether it's on Android or iPhones, the carrier has to support it and there's no ways around that even if private company wants to intervene.
On my Samsung S20 FE the Google Messages app automatically uses RCS where possible when texting someone before falling back to SMS Current SIM is with Boost, may have also worked on Aussie Broadband (Optus MVNO) but don’t know if I can still see that proof in any chat history
Hi Pat thank you very much for the video interesting, about RCS, I don't quite understand why people message each other messaging Communications, people are afraid to talk to each other live, phone is a phone it to talk to each other live. Is there any chance you had a look about, ISIM and when we be using ISIM in Australia. Thanks Pat😊😊
Does RCS work over WiFi, if you have no cellular data around ? Like how iMessage would? Like, would a Google pixel, be able to send txt messages to an iPhone, with no cell data?
The main reason I have an iPhone, is because when I don’t have service, I can still contact ppl with iPhones. But I want an android…but android usually can’t connect to ppl with iPhones, unless you have cell data, or install a text now app or something. I’m asking, can RCS, work like iMessage, to iPhone users, through WiFi ?
personally I never even send SMS of MMS anyway, just facebook and whatsapp. SMS is only good for those authentication codes some companies insist on clinging onto.
i can remember back in the day i think it was telstra or vodafone had "cent per word sms" so 13 year old me would just type messages to my friends likethissoyoudidnotgetchargedmorethen1centpermessage
I could be wrong, but .. isn't RCS non-existent for Android users in Aus? That is to say, RCS is carrier-dependent (regardless of your device) and nobody here can possibly have it anyway. If anything, it's just a US thing.
Neither of these answer my question though. Does RCS work in Australia (and elsewhere) on Android devices, right now, today? It’s a Yes or No question. I could be wrong but I didn’t believe that to be the case. My understanding was that RCS basically only worked in the US - Google’s domestic market, on their own product (Android). Point is, maybe Apple users have been “missing out”, but probably so have a lot of Android people too 🤷🏻♂️
So, I never understood RCS, like how it works, will it utilize Mobile data or will it kind of replace SMS where if I have an unlimited messages plan, it won't eat data for message sending? Data doesn't really matter but sometimes I turn off data connection so that would mean I can't receive RCS messages
@@TechManPat So... pardon my french but it's crap basically... Yeah, might as well continue to use WhatsApp 🥲(here in Europe). We need a new SMS protocol, not a data connection
Sooo long story short... RCS for Android is no issues in Aus. Already used it across all 3 major carriers, and minor one. For iOS its a "Can't be f'd, mate" approach to rolling it out?? Great! Apple continues the walled garden approach and limiting iOS users chat features to Android users with support of telco's! HUZZAH! /s
@@NigelDraycott you are a bit out of touch. Your opinion is not fact. There is obviously a need for it! Also iphone users don’t know what RCS is because they call it “blue bubble” “green bubble”.
Apparently Google discussed this also a while back, but snails pace hence when with a simple encryption wrapper using the open Signal encryption protocol. We're also happy to work with Apple to have this work cross platform too.
Thank you for bringing this RCS issue to your viewers. I actually messaged Telstra last week and asked Telstra when RCS will be available and they did not know. It is a real shame that Apple just can’t give access to RCS from their end and not have to rely on the Telco’s. In case you were not aware, if you tap on phone then voicemail, live voicemail from Apple is now available in Australia with iOS 18. This actually overrides your Telco’s voicemail system assuming it is set to answer 20 seconds or longer and the Apple visual voicemail is rather good.
Yep the voicemail now available in ios 18 and no need for telco voicemail
Cool thanks I didn’t know about the voicemail options
Rcs on telstra should work, because I'm with telstra and rcs on my samsung works fine. This is a stubborn apple issue, as usual.
@@willbuschmann no its not apple issue , its up to the carriers to add it and update the iphone carrier profile to activate it
Utterly pathetic that Aussie telcos still have no idea about RCS on iPhone even yesterday when I spoke to a store team member.
Same thing , telstra store staff said to me its android only sir
I showed her my phone and software ios 18
Then i showed her cannot turn it on or enable it
She said sorry we dont know about it
Then i asked her to send feedback
She said not allowed to send feedback
What is the point of these people so hopeless in telecommunication and dont want to help customers
@@AKTECH2222 People is the shops are only there for sales unfortunately.
They get training on the plans only.
If you do get someone that is knowledgeable, its because they have gone out of their way and got the information themselves.
@@AKTECH2222 "not Allowed to send feedback" is code for "fuck off i can't be fucked"
My understanding - Aussie telcos don't need to set up their own RCS servers to handle RCS messaging between iOS and Android - they can use the Jibe server/exchange. But they do have to add or change a phone service config file to enable it. It's currently working with all the major carriers in the US - disappointing the Aussie telcos have just ignored it so far.
So your saying that in the US Apple uses Google's RCS Jibe service? Who knew?
I rang Telstra after updating a few days ago and raised a support case with them for RCS…. no movement on it yet.
Hmmm
@@TechManPat Telstra closed my case and didn’t get back to me…. after I rang they told me they don’t support RCS and can’t tell me if they ever will. 😂….. hmmm indeed. 🫤
Telstra closed my support case and told me they don’t support RCS and don’t know when they will.
WOW!, that was an Eye Opener, I had no idea of this RCS technology. Thanks Pat 👍. Hope you are feeling better.
Cheers Garry, Getting there, :)
What I’m worried about is if you are with an MVNO like I am with ALDImobile, when will we get RCS? Is it dependant on the host carrier such as Telstra, or does each MVNO have to set up their own RCS server, in which case that might never happen. Apple should have created their own RCS servers. I tried contacting ALDImobile support and they immediately closed my ticket, so I submitted a complaint.
@@KhanPiesseONE I am also with ALDImobile and when I spoke to their support, they had no idea what I was even speaking about. Once you hear back from ALDImobile regarding your complaint, it will go to a different level which are pretty much the same as their support. Ask for your case to be escalated to the management team and you will get a call from an Aldi manager. I raised a case asking when ALDImobile will be getting ESim support and they had no idea. Why is it that other MVNO providers have access to eSIM yet, ALDImobile cannot get it together regarding eSIM.
@@KhanPiesseONE if the history of visual voicemail is anything to go by you’re in for a ride.
I think Apple probably wants to do the minimum work in RCS as required by law/regulators but they don’t really care if the Telcos take a long time to bring RCS. Apple RCS servers would mean more work for Apple.
The first telco to do it is going to win major brownie points for some people
…and the first Telco proclaiming to do it will be Telstra.😂… meanwhile no one actually cares. But whilst Telstra throws effort at frivolous RCS support, they’re happily removing 3G service for the those that rely on it!?
Telstra 🤨”There when you need it the most”🤨👎👎.
Why? Should we pat them on the heads and praise them for doing development they should have already been continuously working on for years? It's like telling my cat that he's a good boy; does he really deserve extra brownie points for eating his cat food and pooping in the litter box?
It's nice to have RCS, but to be honest, they're about a DECADE too late, and most people are totally happy using WhatApp or Signal (or in reality having to have both). The only stubborn holdouts are iPhone users and they mostly don't want RCS anyway, they just want to use iMessage.
I remember when my niece was in high school asking her how she could communicate with people that don't have iPhones and she actually said, "if they don't have an iPhone they can't be friends with us!". She still uses an iPhone, but she's outgrown that and has added WhatsApp to her phone too. ;-)
Nearly every telco globally has acted shortsightedly on this issue, has tried to hold back messaging technology and spent decades milking SMS for revenue. This is the reason that messaging apps exist in the first place, they are a category that would never have succeeded if SMS development wasn't held back. Now RCS (even now driven by Google, NOT the telcos) is backfilling features into SMS, not actually innovating. There's really nothing in RCS that isn't already available from well established messaging apps already.
Not surprised, if Aussies can find a way to make the user experience worse, they generally will.
I thought they were only implementing RCS support to dodge potential anti-competitive/monopoly issues with US and Euro Govs? I was surprised they even thought of Australia.
I hope they bring Messages via Satellite to Australia soon. Very often I have zero signal travelling on highways, so it would be nice to send an iMessage.
Your chair is having an existential crisis.
Yeah… next time I think I’ll sit on a stool
@@TechManPat Just need to light up that side. Or convert it to RGB like the cool kids probably do.
All the iOS 18 features I was looking forward too are not working or available like adaptive lighting on my matter lights and RCS I was excited to send my mate high quality pictures after years of having bad messaging I’m with Vodafone and used to not getting any better services
Just subscribed, about the 3rd video I've seen now. About a year ago 3/5 people were on iOS the others on Android, now it's much closer, basically 55/45 a month ago, according to statcounter, I've recently switched to iOS from Android after 15 years and this was one of the main 'barrier removals' I was expecting, but the Google jive part I didn't understand or look into until now. Hoping Vodafone, Optus and Telstra get on the wagon... Create(?) an RCS wagon.
I reached out to Catch support to see if they supported RCS, answer was “talk to Apple support”…
Not sure that’s how it works 🙃
Same in the uk, only one network has rcs available for iPhone .
Shouldn’t this RCS issue be brought to the attention of the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman, State & Federal Communications Ministers? WTF are playing @, imo & allegedly selling a “Pig in a Poke” iOS style. Have waited over 7mths for a series 9 watch health app issue to be resolved after all every iOS 17 reiteration couldn’t fix it & time spent screen recording only to receive “unable to set up @ this stage”. Have a call scheduled with US Health Team in Oct. 2024 so once again they sold an product that couldn’t deliver till the next update, “not happy Jan”. Thx great vlog on the no RCS issue, I looked into carrier settings for the option, obviously they weren’t there LOL.
Same situation here in South Africa 🥺
I use Truecaller SMS instead of the built-in system
yer ive al ready been asking Optus where iRCS is and as sed they don't even know about it. and they should of been getting ready for as there are a lot of ppl with iPhones
This worked on my iPhone 13 just got my iPhone 16 and RCS no longer works
The big 3 Aussie telcos support visual voicemail. Vodafone is the only one that has mvno support for it though. The only non-Vodafone mvno with support is boost who uses the Telstra full Telstra network.
Thanks for the info Pat good video. Cheers.
RCS meh, what about the battery % limit, not being available to all phones.
Telstra had RCS upuntil 2022 and disabled it because of googles rollout so maybe they can reboot that if enough people want it
So does this mean Android users in Australia has RCS support for android to android, because Google has setup their own servers for RCS?
If so, it makes sense for Apple to push this more to Telcos as this is an industry standard and last thing you want is a private corporation owning or managing all the components to enable an industry standard feature.
@@YeboMate I'm not sure but I'm with Telstra on android and I cannot use RCS to message anyone
@@hilliard665 I'm with Telstra on Android and i've been using RCS for years
@@hilliard665 I see so it seems like for RCS it work, whether it's on Android or iPhones, the carrier has to support it and there's no ways around that even if private company wants to intervene.
On my Samsung S20 FE the Google Messages app automatically uses RCS where possible when texting someone before falling back to SMS
Current SIM is with Boost, may have also worked on Aussie Broadband (Optus MVNO) but don’t know if I can still see that proof in any chat history
Hi Pat thank you very much for the video interesting, about RCS, I don't quite understand why people message each other messaging Communications, people are afraid to talk to each other live, phone is a phone it to talk to each other live.
Is there any chance you had a look about, ISIM and when we be using ISIM in Australia.
Thanks Pat😊😊
Does RCS work over WiFi, if you have no cellular data around ? Like how iMessage would? Like, would a Google pixel, be able to send txt messages to an iPhone, with no cell data?
The main reason I have an iPhone, is because when I don’t have service, I can still contact ppl with iPhones. But I want an android…but android usually can’t connect to ppl with iPhones, unless you have cell data, or install a text now app or something. I’m asking, can RCS, work like iMessage, to iPhone users, through WiFi ?
@@_WF23
It uses WiFi just like iPhone to iPhone..So MMS and images can be sent to iPhone without having an extra charge..Just like What's App too..👍
Meh. I prefer signal and iMessage
personally I never even send SMS of MMS anyway, just facebook and whatsapp. SMS is only good for those authentication codes some companies insist on clinging onto.
i can remember back in the day i think it was telstra or vodafone had "cent per word sms" so 13 year old me would just type messages to my friends likethissoyoudidnotgetchargedmorethen1centpermessage
I could be wrong, but .. isn't RCS non-existent for Android users in Aus? That is to say, RCS is carrier-dependent (regardless of your device) and nobody here can possibly have it anyway. If anything, it's just a US thing.
Android runs rcs in software via Jibe
Correct as above, Apple has done it carrier dependent unlike android
Neither of these answer my question though. Does RCS work in Australia (and elsewhere) on Android devices, right now, today? It’s a Yes or No question.
I could be wrong but I didn’t believe that to be the case. My understanding was that RCS basically only worked in the US - Google’s domestic market, on their own product (Android).
Point is, maybe Apple users have been “missing out”, but probably so have a lot of Android people too 🤷🏻♂️
RCS has been on android for ages, available world wide.
@@TechManPat OK, good to know, thanks. 🙂
So, I never understood RCS, like how it works, will it utilize Mobile data or will it kind of replace SMS where if I have an unlimited messages plan, it won't eat data for message sending? Data doesn't really matter but sometimes I turn off data connection so that would mean I can't receive RCS messages
It should work via Data, basically it’s the generic version of iMessage
@@TechManPat So... pardon my french but it's crap basically... Yeah, might as well continue to use WhatsApp 🥲(here in Europe).
We need a new SMS protocol, not a data connection
Are you originally from South Africa?
No I am not.
@@TechManPat Oh, where is your accent from?
I learned English from TV, so like US, UK, NZ and AU, so I just mix and match at random
PLease bring this to australia !
Hi, I’m an old codger and I just don’t get it? Isn’t this why I use WhatsApp to communicate with my son who has an android
That’s right, but RCS was going to mean you no longer have to use what’s app
I only use WhatsApp. None of this is a problem for me.
@@jeff2tc99 except when someone sends an SMS to you. It won't go to WhatsApp it goes straight to your main messaging app
Sooo long story short... RCS for Android is no issues in Aus. Already used it across all 3 major carriers, and minor one. For iOS its a "Can't be f'd, mate" approach to rolling it out?? Great! Apple continues the walled garden approach and limiting iOS users chat features to Android users with support of telco's! HUZZAH! /s
The average iPhone user has no idea what RCS is and don't care.
@@NigelDraycott you are a bit out of touch. Your opinion is not fact. There is obviously a need for it! Also iphone users don’t know what RCS is because they call it “blue bubble” “green bubble”.
Australia is TOO focused on WHAT is a MAN and WHAT is a WOMAN to deal with anything else!
Can you see the irony in your own comment?
@@stopbunsen No!
@@JimboJones-qn4wd lol didn't think so
@@stopbunsen Aren't you are hero! P.S. nobody cares!
3:12 apple is reportedly working with the gsm alliance to implement end to end encryption into the spec
Apparently Google discussed this also a while back, but snails pace hence when with a simple encryption wrapper using the open Signal encryption protocol. We're also happy to work with Apple to have this work cross platform too.