Rand Paul - Embracing Honest Capitalism in “The Case Against Socialism” | The Daily Show
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- Sen. Rand Paul explains why he supports Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria and defends the central argument in his book “The Case Against Socialism.”
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Kudos to Trevor Noah for having someone he and most of his audience disagrees with on his show. There should be more open dialogue and discussion like this of opposing viewpoints
Well he has to do it once every 4 years to get the "fair" credits
That Republican only showed up to sell his book.
It's not like it bridges any gaps.
@@oneeyedking7465 Honestly, most politicians are afraid to answer his hard questions and Trevor is to witty for them. That's why republicans don't usually show. The same goes for many Fox news shows for Dems. Rand Paul is smarter than most republicans, not afraid to stand by his convictions and is willing to solve real problems instead of being so Republican that he's willing to divide people. Presidential Candidate Andrew Yang would be the equivalent for Democrats at Fox. Even if I don't agree with a lot of Paul's policies, I respect him and am willing to listen to see what makes sense.
@@JohnSmith-pg9ns These interviews are advertising segments and not news. But it good to that this dialogue can no matter the reason.
It never stops to amaze me how much people don’t know about socialism and capitalism.
Why? The average person is quite stupid and very lazy intellectually. They'd rather keep life simple than learn something in a nuanced fashion.
jaca van heesch wrong.
@kommisar 1. Scandinavia enacts more public spending than private spending. That's majority socialist in my opinion. Regardless of the existence of markets, "production" must be defined to include all services, so to me it's pretty clear. 2. "Democratic" socialism is the best possible system as opposed to market driven economics, precisely because it responds to the priorities of the people as opposed to ever-increasingly the richest people as capitalism does. If you don't believe me, consider this scenario: if you and me were the last 2 people on earth and I owned your only means to get water, I could get you to build more water wells for me in exchange for me barely giving you enough water to keep you alive. This would be a "free market" exchange, whereas the democratic socialist exchange would give us both an equal seat at the table
You could respond directly from your notifications, if you can't find it on the video page
@kommisar OK definitely a UA-cam bug. Here's the post content repeated:
Wow you just made the argument that people in a "socialist" country would "over-consume" the products which therefore run out so they can't have more. And that in a capitalist society, consumption is "regulated" by price - which means not everybody is getting the quantity they want anyway. This is a hilarious angle from which to argue your point, as a (democratic) socialist society could trivially solve that by just setting the price as deemed needed, so you're really not making a relevant argument.
My point about Scandinavia is that since more money is spent publicly than privately, those services would otherwise have been provided privately and hence been part of the "capitalistic" system, hence why I said those countries are "more" socialistic than capitalistic.
Your argument seems to be that if there is even 1% capitalistic trade, then suddently it can't be called socialistic.
The main point I want to make, however, is that democratic socialism as a concept is vasty different than soviet style dictatorship, perhaps to an even greater extent than it is different from capitalism. Yes, the means of production would be directly in the people's hands (through voting / polling) as opposed to in "private" hands as it is with capitalism.
BUT, capitalism allows weaponized poverty as a method of labor extortion from the poor by the richer in the society, leading to an ever increasing dictatorship by the richest, not a system that responds to the priorities of the people as a whole, as democratic socialism would.
“It’s not the job of America to decide who runs every country”
I don't understand why America decides to be the world's heroes and arbitrarily decide who is wrong or right.
It's not but if America back down and let China Russia terrorists run the world, it would in much more mess
A D That’s not how the world works 😂
I am from Haiti, I know what he means. So I approve this message.
@@planetary-rendez-vous because we seem to have the /power/ to do so, but we maybe should take the spider-man approach.
The crowd should have been told to remain silent - a biased crowd doesn't help the debate.
@Asgeir Pyrazire A lot of people miss this. This was a great interview of 2 people with different ideologies debating a topic. Without using cheap tricks to drown out the opposition. Dude even admitted "that's a good point" on several occasions. I want more of this.
Not only that, but a debate should be decided on facts and logic not on emotional arguments or peer pressure. Too often SJW have no logic-based arguments just emotional appeals.
@Asgeir Pyrazire Trevor Noah is hardly left wing in the same way Joe Biden is hardly left wing. Even Bernie would be considered pleasantly center-left in many countries. Left or right wing news should not make your cut if it's too bat s*** crazy or biased (such as Fox) - but yes, it doesn't widen your perspective to only read news that you completely agree with and which affirms your world view. Personally, I rate The Economist very highly. You get the feeling that they present several perspectives within each article, the articles are well researched and very well written and concise.
@Asgeir Pyrazire It really isn't.
@Asgeir Pyrazire lol I haven't heard bernie saying he will make everything state owned and all he wants is to increase taxes on the wealthy not take away everything lol
As a Liberal I've got to say that Trevor's audience didn't really understand much was going on...
Hope you mean liberal as in for liberty and not for socialism.
@@Warrenmitchum socialism is not a Liberal thing. Those running under the Liberal title but wants socialism needs to educate themselves
Warren Mitchum Socialism will win
Most young people don’t understand much about what’s going on , that why they vote Democrat
Its Trevor Noah. What did you expect the guy himself doesn't understand much...
I like how Senator Paul mentioned there are 4 groups of Kurds. He is one of the only politicians to ever mention that. The importance of this is so understated. I’m glad Trevor didn’t show his ignorance to the subject by arguing it.
Rand Paul killed it!
Exactly the issue with many politicians is they make it seem like the kurds are one ethnic groups who don’t have any differences regardless of the country they’re in. Iraqi kurds can’t understand a word turkish kurds say and Syrian kurds can’t understand persian kurds
There is no difference between a Syrian kurd and an Iraqi kurd. Western Colonial Powers just decided there was a border between them at some point in the early 20th century. To be like saying there's significant difference between North Dakota and South Dakota Lakota tribes when the reservation straddles two states.
@@DanTheMailman330 Hitler was a capitalist politician. He had support from big business including the Krupp Steel and I G Farben. Honest capitalism? No such thing.
Do you want to understand the major problems in the middle east understand the Islamic religion first.
Wow it’s so refreshing to see a real conversation between two adults not acting in bad faith
True true
Not acting in bad faith? Because Rand Paul's desire to make it harder to impeach politicians is clearly not designed to unfairly benefit Republicans who are most under fire from the result of their own actions. Over the last decade I've learned to read Republican subtext. They don't say anything anymore without shoehorning in some version of "But we're the victims here".
I would love to see more Republicans on this show. I feel like Trevor is at his best when he’s debating people that have different viewpoints from him, and he does a great job asking questions that make them clarify their beliefs in a way people can understand.
They won’t leave their safe spaces. They can only thrive on propaganda channels like Fox.
This is so good. Both Trevor and Rand deserve a lot of credit for coming together and having a fair discussion of ideas.
@anna crime summarize what you think leftism is for me
“Maybe it’s not the job of America to always decide who runs every country” - Rand Paul
“..that’s an interesting standpoint” - Treva Noah
That's the only stand point that is in accordance with the law.
Hes such an idiot lol
Andrew Yang - I told you so... -_-
@@happygilmore1844 Trevor's not an idiot...
Ho Oh oh yes he certainly is
At one point the audience got ahead of themselves and started laughing right before Trevor acknowledged that Rand made a true statement and had a point.
Sad
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You must not pay attention to a lot of politics. But this man is accomplished but he ACTIVELY chooses to make decisions that are evil, deceitful, many more. I highly dislike him and everything he stands for.
@@faroteur96He's against war and for freedom. So evil!
@@faroteur96 Nice try botman you lost
This was actually an insanely great interview. Rand Paul performed very well.
Man I respect this whole interview so much. More of this is America, please!
If you like this interview I think you should watch john stossel
I never liked Noah but this interview gave me new respect for him. This is the ideal type of debate America needs. Minus the audience reaction
@@joncarter4389, Same but times have changed in the last year. Don’t know if an interview like this is possible anymore. But I still hope.
Interview sucks lol
@@Ben-ti7po ua-cam.com/video/2LJ8nBgEA2Q/v-deo.html
If Noah asked these questions to people like AOC...
Exactly! He won't, because she won't have answers, and Dems will crusify him how he dare to destroy her reputation :)
Aoc will call him racist
@just me you're too out of touch and too dumb to see. Liberals call everyone racist you idiot. You're too liberals to see color when you call other racist and bigot. You're such a moron
@just me go get a job and stop trying to get free things from the socialist. You're too caught up in this wave of dumb socialist movement to see that not only AOC but many other liberals have call black, Mexican, Asian and other color people racist. Your parents have failed you.
AOC is a puppet. Look up "Justice Democrats."
If Milton Friedman was alive and sitting in Rand Paul's seat this would be a very different situation.
Friedman would have had the audience apologizing to him and leaving ashamed of themselves.
@WorldFlex Nothing in life is sustainable. Sustainability is a canard promoted by retards. What is your point?
@@phlontstu Great, so let's get rid of capitalism
@WorldFlex
Free market socialism is an oxymoron.
Give me an example of capitalism "failing."
@@ethanrosen5517 Milton Friedman was once of the most prolific economist of his time, who broke the Kenyesian School of Economics hold over economic policy in the world ushering in a new Era of free market Economics.
Trevor Noah is a terrific interviewer. He shows respect for his guest and he listens.
Carol Meade yes you can‘t say that about this person he interviewed, who interrupted Trevor all the time
Yes, that was a fair interview....but , Trevor!!🤘
Rooiku Rand Paul has controversial ideas, for sure, which demonstrates how powerful an interviewer Trevor Noah is. Noah can have a lively exchange with his guests without being disparaging or dismissive. I always feel educated after Trevor’s interviews. Love him!
But I guess he shd hv cornered him on 9/11 in honor 9f Jon Stewart
Like a child of mommy's favorite son is suppose to do🤨
This is the kind of conversations we need in this country. As a conservative, I would watch Trevor due to him being fair during interview.
Lol
Honestly Trevor didnt want to embarrass him or make an enemy out of him… you can tell close to the end there Trevor knew he wasn't going to stop telling bullshit lies because he's too comfortable telling them, because Rand Paul and the rest of the GOP are able to spout those same lies all day long on Fox News and no one challenges them & calls them on their bullshit because Fox News cannot be Legitimate News and a support for a single political party at the same time.. Its a complete conflict of interest, and the amount of media push back thats its taken just to try to undue some of the damage that Fox News Propaganda has done has resulted in all these other stations leaning further left to try to maintain balance and now we've ended up with no legitimate news all together from no one.
The problem is that right wingers are getting dumber and more left wing nowadays. Rand is someone that understands capitalism, so he's able to make these conversations work
@@thetayterminator1436 Trevor put just as much pressure on him as he does to other "right wingers", but those other right wingers aren't actually supporters of real capitalism, and when they can't figure out how to use economics to support refute Trevor, they would yell at him
Odd, Republicans aren't conservative where it matters anymore. They are a bunch of sellout shills for corporate America. So are many Democrats. And Andrew Yang is the only one talking about Democracy dollars and other ways to wash corporate money out of our politics.
I just really appreciate how they just had a nice conversation without demeaning one another. This type of dialogue makes sense to the masses.
How biased the audience is yelling "Noooo!", while Rand Paul is only saying judge everybody the same, independent if you believe the persons did right or wrong. You can't give two people who did the same thing two different punishments or let one go and penalize the other.
Yet they still wonder why conservatives don't come to those shows, while Rand Paul as conservative hadn't said anything conservative/anti socialist in that sense to that topic.
It's almost as bad as Bill Maher's crowd. But they are full blown crazy. I give huge respect to Steve Bannon and Steve Rogers to be in there for a full interview.
The audience is correctly rejecting Rand's false equivalence fallacy that you seem to be buying into.
@@mezo72271 "A): Hunter Biden is a private citizen, not the President of the United States. Try as they might to show otherwise, Biden is not on trial. The Senate is deciding whether to remove Trump from office (spoiler alert: it won’t happen). Whatever happens on that front has nothing to do with Biden.
B): Threatening to withhold nearly $400 million in congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine until Trump got a public announcement of a corruption investigation against Biden sounds like an abuse of power to me. And former National Security Advisor John Bolton and former Trump Chief of Staff John Kelly appear to feel the same way.
Those facts aren’t going away. Trump’s army has tried to say the investigation request was about the President’s deep, abiding concern about corruption. Against all odds, most of those who parroted that poppycock managed to keep a straight face. Bondi certainly did. That’s the backbone of Trump’s defense. He was acting in the national interest, supporters say, that had (cough, cough) NOTHING to do with kneecapping a serious Democratic presidential rival. Bondi has hitched her wagon to that preposterous claim. The whole thing with Hunter Biden is a warning shot to those demanding that Bolton testify. It’s nothing but old-fashioned politics. If Bolton testifies, the theory goes, then Republicans can summon Biden and deep-six his father’s campaign" (Joe Henderson "Pam Bondi’s impeachment defense overlooked some facts" 'Florida Politics' 01/28/2020). floridapolitics.com/archives/317333-joe-henderson-pam-bondis-impeachment-defense-overlooked-some-facts?fbclid=IwAR2Z7x2ubmJIIktpCfproYhkPvFj0954TTmlrjRyJdvkpMBYXuZn2Msc64Y
“It will make Senate Republicans cast a vote for the proposition
‘LOL nothing matters ¯\_(ツ)_/¯’-thereby enabling the 2020 electorate to evaluate nihilism as the governing philosophy of a political movement” (Benjamin Wittes & Quinta Jurecic “What Impeachment is Revealing about the Republican Party: Trump's Senate trial will force voters to evaluate nihilism as the governing philosophy of a political movement” ‘The Atlantic’ 11/25/2019).
“But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.
Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation” (Christopher Miller “Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington” ‘Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty' 09/24/2019).
Trevor Noah does better interviews than anything on MSNBC or CNN
That's not a high bar to clear. MSNBC is the neoliberal version of Fox News. CNN is sometimes a little better, sometimes not, but they average out to pretty bad.
The news media is owned by multy bellionairs that decide what and how they want their journalists to report the news
That's a low bar. It is under ground actually
This a job for James Cameron.
Except Rachel obviously
I feel like some people don't know the difference between socialism and communism
Some people? I feel like most Americans don't
Native Americans practiced socialism for centuries before the first white bankers arrived by boat. Today, socialism builds the roads that capitalism drives on.
Also, democratic socialism
@@luuk_twister2068 the worst part is that they keep talking about it like they do. And then people from some other countries listen to them and get strange notions.
Most people don't even understand the utopian ideal that communism tries for, and consistently fails to achieve.
Most "Communist" nations aren't communist.
Rand is not quite Ron, but hey, he still makes his dad proud.
Hes not quite Ron, but thats the reason he can get on the show. I dont imagine Trevor noah making an appearance on the liberty report.
Ron, the greatest president we never had
trust me Ron is more extreme and a lot better than rand
@@bubblegumgun3292 pretty crazy that believing in liberty is “extreme” now
@@independentRestorationServices
Americans are free to be bankrupted if they get sick. Free to remain at the economic and social level the "earn" when the pick their birth family.
ETC
I'm a Democrat, hate Trump, etc but Rand Paul was amazing here and I really respect his ideals. Kudos to both Trevor and Paul for carrying out such an insightful conversation
You don't learn this kind of information on a night host television.
This is a lesson in civilized conversation. Trevor being a better journalist than most.
he held a more dignified line than i could with pauls bold faced bull.
He hardly calls him out on half of his bullshit.
Trever got owned!!
@@donaban500 I agree. Embarrassing that he never mentioned the hundreds of people that got unnecessary killed by Trump's decision. Trevor was weak and just bend over to this general opinion on wars, that wasnt related to actual reality. Such a hypocrite.
@@donaban500 Correct. For example, "I backed President Obama across the aisle on his pulling out of Iraq". Fucking bullshit, that was a predefined and agreed upon action before Obama was in office. He just followed through with the agreement the U.S. made before he was in office. Fucking Rand Paul is human garbage.
At the end Trevor holds up the book and calls it "The Case FOR Socialism"
The look on Paul's face was like "Wait, did he just....." XD
Went back with captions on and that's how it read lol
It was a gaffe
@Hakageryuu I agree with Desert Sand. I think it was just a quick error....but it was still funny XD
I literally was just about to say this and you stole my thunder!!! Lol.
That was hilarious!!!
I didn’t watch this interview sooner, I like Rand Paul he seems like a republican who is more in the middle and a reasonable guy. If more republicans were like Rand Paul I could probably be on their side more
Have you heard of something called the libertarian party?
@@tablo1394 yes, I think being libertarian is a waste of time, they don’t carry enough weight as a party to change much
@@gabeordave6170 im saying they are almost all like him lol
Rand Paul isn't a Republican and he isn't in the middle. Rand Paul is a Libertarian who runs on the Republican ticket in order to get into office.
Libertarians are far bigger than you think. Libertarians don't get any traction because the Democrats and the Republicans have created a 2 party system that makes it almost impossible for anyone else to run against them.
If America adopted ranked order voting, it is highly likely the Libertarian party would start winning elections.
@@karozans I don’t see him as libertarian, especially not lately. I do see your point about the ranked voting and I hope one day we can have more than just the two party system, unfortunately I think we are no where near that yet
You guys need to do more of this stuff. Get people from the other side of the aisle.
while I agree with you, most of the time they do this kind of thing is to entrap them with gotcha questions. Noah tried multiple times to influence the conversation in a certain direction only to be stopped by paul talking more in-depth about said topic so as to explain it.
Yea I don’t see the point of doing this on a comedy show
@@codycraine7101 Totally agree with this. Noah said his bit about how medical care covers a greater percentage of one's income and really tried to cut Rand Paul off before Rand could make his point about the government's heavy involvement in healthcare now thus proving his point about how the healthcare industry isn't true capitalism (like education) because of the government's role. I liked this interview up until that point because Noah valued the narrative above the truth and I'm glad Rand made his point because it is true and his solution sounds like promising
If there were more genuine discussions like this where each side is heard and respected I might actually watch tv news.
it wasn’t he was attacking him and he got owned by rand Paul kept calm and cool Trevor will never ask these questions to a democrat
@@covfefe1787 to a democrat he will ask what flavour ice cream is his favorite
@@petero8200 Show me a honest capitalist and I'll show you a bankrupt capitalist.
@@petero8200 I know this is a late reply. This is actually the first I've watched this.
To be fair, the audience would only be pandered to and hearing what they want to hear anyway. So, the platform changes so they can *get to know* them.
This way actually a great bipartisan interview, when compared to almost any other platform. I think this is a great way to start bridging that divide. Showing more civil conversation with both sides making and conceding strong points is amazing to see these days. I'm just tired of being so divided and everyone just being so angry. 😂
@@kimobrien. show me a communist / socialist with an IQ of over 75
Sad when you have your comedians give the hard questions to your politicians
When you've got a book to sell, you'll put up with a lot. News TV doesn't really care about the books politicians have to sell, they want to talk to politicians to get their insight on current political news as they see it.
@@Cool_Calm_Cam so best time ask the hard questions
Because comedy is divine duality..English is the E word for entertaining crash test dummies 👽😍🙂😭🖤
They were hard but Rand Paul kicked ass!
And he answers those questions
Rand hit the nail on the head, and always does. The fact that people don’t see that healthcare and education are the two major costs in our lives that rise faster than inflation due to overwhelming government involvement verses products like cell phones and TVs where there is next to zero government intrusion (and costs go down, quality goes up) baffles me. It’s really not rocket science.
Every other developped country in the World has some form of Universal healthcare. And the best education systems are in the nordic countries. It's still not socialism. It's what americans with their twisted and biased way to see the World think is socialism. The more you give education to people the better they Come Out of it, and the best way to give every child school is to not make them pay directly but to use a solidarity system because we live in a society so we have to work and live together and support eachother
@Eric Benton i don't know if it can but it can support a healthcare system. Every country is doing so
@HunterBidensCrackPipe i'm living in one of those country and you're wrong. We are not taxed in poverty. Universal healthcare is far better than a free market medecine. Medecine is not about solvability it's about saving people.
@HunterBidensCrackPipe and you're saying big numbers without proving anything so ...
@HunterBidensCrackPipe also with stricter immigration as well
what the hell's wrong with the audience, lol. Was it their first time hearing a libertarian spitting some truth bombs?
What can we expect from the show that is ideological Slanted with particular set of audience
Hahhahahaaha holy shit hahhahahaha libertarian and truth is a fuckin oxymoron
@@nothingnothing9157 as if democrat/republican and truth are synonymous with each other? Lol, wqhat an idiot.
@@gtrfreak2914messiah Don't worry about Nothing Nothing. They think someone else should make decisions for them. That's called a sheep.
Lmao
Rand countered each of Trevor's "gotcha" statements/questions masterfully.
@Vlad the guru 20:14
Facks! Did you notice how every time Rand Paul made a point none of the audience never cheered yet it was valid and factual. Americans are so brainwashed in one sided that they have no room for reason.
@@rooseveltperson9094 This show DOES NOT represent all Americans. It is a method of brainwashing them however.
AixaMagr lmaoooooo yeah okay your just mad the daily show shows the truth , they aren’t on anyone’s side
Noel Irizarry your joking right😂 you don’t believe that American media is bias? They always have been people are just waking up look at Vietnam for example. American media lying to the public saying everything is going great then the soldiers coming back and explaining what is acctualy going on. Look at some interviews...
Regardless of what you think of him, props to Rand for coming on The Daily Show. It's truly amazing how much better people like Trevor Noah (and John Stewart) are at interviewing politicians than mainstream journalists. They come better prepared, and are much quicker on their feet.
Zero props from me. He sounded like a propaganda machine sent specificity to muddy the waters.
Yeah. Disagree with the guy but at least he can argue and has the balls to do it on televsion. Still an entitled rich guy ;)
They Dont hold punches and Dont take bs
Agreed. Rand is in the pocket of lobbyist. “Journalist” on any network don’t hold politicians accountable, so glad Trevor tried. At the end he said, a case for socialism.
I would LOVE to see if Trevor could keep his coolness if he interviewed the president! Trevor appears to have read every book a guest has written, and really knows his stuff. Kudos to Trevor.
Yes, let’s give the government our freedom so they can take care of us. What an intelligent audience.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for the illusion of security deserve neither and will lose both.
Yep
Why do I get the feeling that I would not be friends with anyone in Trevor Noah's audience nor would I want them as my neighbor?
At the very end Trevor reads the title of the book as "The Case For Socialism" LOL
Apparently, I'd stopped it a few seconds too early. Listened to the rest and about fell out of my chair laughing. He says "for" while holding the book up and showing the title clearly says "against". Freudian slip, or intentional? Doesn't matter. Hilarious either way!
Hahahahahaha HE ABSOLUTELY DID DO THAT SHIT I LOVE IT
A lot of case for, case against and -isms involed in their conversation. It was just a slip. That's the reason a lot of us didn't catch it at first.
Mister K Because he’s an idiot.
@@indymarrow8050 GTFOO, you good for nothing troll.
why can't more journalists ask questions like trevor? he is having an actual dialogue, not a debate, not attacking... just a conversation with the hope of mutual understanding. its sad that this is not the norm
look up steven crowder change my mind
@@lmo6583 he only goes for college students
Tulsi Gabbard gave a long interview with John Stossel.
Some of them can’t because they have producers in their ear directing interviews from behind an ear piece.
Because he isn't an American???
Noah’s audience isn’t smart enough to appreciate Rand.
Agree
Yes because Rand is soooo intelligent 😏
@@aotearoamaori1666 he’s smarter than Trevor Noah and his viewers
"Does the corruption count for nothing?"
That's the argument, is that corruption eventually takes the reigns of socialism.
It also takes the reigns of capitalism
@@sammelville2666 only if voters buy into propaganda as they are now.
The people could easily reverse this if they weren't so stupid.
@@sammelville2666 only if there is government to be corrupted.
@@sammelville2666 Businesses can only purchase the favors that politicians sell. The argument of "corruption" is a bad argument since corruption increases as the presence of the State increases, specially over the long term.
Why is it that Colombia isn't as poor as Venezuela even if they have massive corruption problems?
The private sector has very effective mechanisms to filter corruption, and if discovered, there's a bigger probability for accountability than in the government. Most cases of corruption at a big corporate scale require government involvement (Enron and Teranos are prime examples). The same goes with FTX.
The free market and competition are great at taking advantage of inefficient competitors. Corruption reduces efficiency, that's why in the private sector is very difficult to sustain a corrupt system over the long run. Also socialism relies on force, so they have the monopoly of force and therefore the 2 scenarios aren't even comparable.
When will Americans learn that there is a difference between social democracy and socialism?
Not if they believe the BS from Rand Paul - he doesn't even mention social democracy, he just starts spouting the GOP talking point of equating socialism with communism and fascism.
Republicans going care - they use the word communism and socialism because their base are idiots who hear those words and just think "BAD!" We have some aspects of social Democracy now, as you know and it is time we join the rest of the civilized successful capitalist countries with socialized democracy.
@B Babbich Who the hell said we thought all Americans are Republicans? In fact, there are far more Democrats and Independents. Are YOU even an American? I am.
It's not even that, what instantly comes to peoples mind when you say socialism: USSR, China, Cuba et al. are not and never were socialism, communism, whatever you wanna call it! Those are simply Tyrannies, the exact opposite. In socialism workers control the means of production, NOT the government and certainly not shareholders.
High taxes on workers to pay for the handouts of slobs vs government-owned means of production? Hmmm
Trevor there at the end said “A case for Socialism...” pointing at Rand Paul’s book. This is why I love Trevor. Love all the way from SA
Siphesihle Ignatia Thank you for Trevor, South Africa 👏
Hello to South Africa! We LOVE Trevor!
Hello from San Andreas!!!
My favorite talk show hosts are the ones that constantly interrupt the guest
Awesome interview! We need more of this in our country Trevor.
"A corrupt system masquerading as free market" - Spot on, Trevor!
@@dustinorvis1917 did he even mentioned Socialism? I guess you are an american, because your thinking is SOO binary. You can only live with two sides, because that is what your political system is. Two right wing parties in charge.
@@dustinorvis1917 Guess Germany doesnt work either. Is that why Daimler took over Chrysler? "Free" market is a bitch!
@@dustinorvis1917 Because all the places where it's currently working don't exist?
Seriously, what is WRONG with you?
only education and healthcare which are more than 50% socialism
@independentCog Kind of like "cronie capitalism" lol. Either can be pretty awful, as we are starting to find out.
Anyone else notice Trevor called the book "The Case For Socialism" at the end 🤣
@@henryplce2225 ...
@@henryplce2225 Might want to reread the summary for the video...
@@henryplce2225 It's the Case *Against* Socialism...
The case for socialism!
And he's out of there!! Great catch 🥎 😅
It's very obvious his crowd is very uneducated in any of these topics.
its very obvious youre not educated in this topic...notice how i just shoved my opinion in there thinking it was a fact
Corruption has tainted both capitalism and socialism to the point where both camps have difficulty supporting their arguments, corruption is the problem
LOL at the audience members cackling when Rand Paul pointed out that the percentage of income that the average American spent on food was much higher 100 years ago than it is today. As if they are experts on the U.S. economy in the early 1900's.
It goes to show that there are a number of people who will oppose a point of view whether or not they know anything about the subject or not.
I was going to say I legit feel bad for these people for how idiotic they sound as an audience. Okay have it your way triple or quadruple the cost of your food expenditures and see how much cackling we hear
Rand Paul was bragging about how great 100 years ago was before and now he says Americans are doing better than then because of capitalism? Lol U.S was more Capitalist and free market 100 years ago than it was today. The reason why standard of living is high is because of the government which set min wage workers rights and the scary free education. The government IS the reason why we live better than 100 years ago. The free trade that destroyed working class was removing government's protection against cheap labor.
@Random dude I don't think you got what I said. Back before 1980s and after 1940s we had wage inflation. That's why standard of living went through the roof in such a short time. Wage inflation is always good for the workers but bad for investors. Now we have wage stagnation and market inflation but keeping money printing inflation in check. The reason why we had wage inflation was because of the government. Higher min wage and Union protection. U.S didn't even had min wage till 1935.
Unfair because of industrialization? Capitalism created industrialization
Do you think industrialization just popped up out of the ground or something?
@Random dude government controls healthcare to an astronomical degree. First, Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA make up over 50 percent of all healthcare spending therefore consolidating the US government as THE ONE consumer of over half of a huge US commodity. Second, the government regulates healthcare in ways that raise prices through the roof; ask healthcare professionals about regulations that create crazy red tape and require scores of employees just to handle the paperwork. Third, the government has passed laws to clamp down on private healthcare competition. Heath insurance companies cannot compete across state lines, for example, like other types of insurance companies can. You mention your economics classes; I'm not trying to be unkind, but I would really be interested in your influences. Do you study Marx or are you more of a Keynes guy? Have you read economists from the Austrian or Chicago school?
Need Noah Trevor host the presidential debate ASAP.
They wont let him bcuz he would speak real questions
We dream big. Get Noah up there
Yeah he's totally not biased lol
@@Demithekid You won't find a moderator that isn't somewhat biased. The questions are: Can they be objective? and Will they ask important questions while ensuring that the questions are not deflected?
@@Demithekid - He isn't but his intelligence would probably baffle everyone involved. Let's hand Trevor the mic.
In the end he says "The case FOR socialism" Rand Paul must've been inner face-palming.
I've actually been to Venezuela there's no business over there everything is run by the government and it's highly regulated everything you do, so there's no room for any kind of growth
Looks like Trevor doesn't understand Capitalism and neither does his crowd...
Okay donut
Looks like you don't understand capitalism either
@@AhmedHassan-ze2ub haha "Lets rape people with taxes and lets make public spending fly" - Why is capitalism failing?
I wish he'd mentioned climate change and asked how extreme capitalism is helping address it
What is Climate change?
@@politics8826 what are words
Vey good question!
sorry, but those who are against Climate Change are IRONICALLY identical to Trump: SELFISH.
"No... we aren't being SELFISH HUMANS again, trying to SAVE OURSELVES! Not at all! We want a better world for... um... puppies and kittens!"
NOPE.
Ethical humans WANT THE HUMAN RACE extinct.
The human experiment failed in every way.
(EX: we slaughter 60 BILLION animals a year... cuz we like the way their corpses taste!) (cf my song "At Least Hitler Didn't EAT The Jews!")
Are you a Vegan? Ride a bike only? If not stfu.
I love how everyone is now an expert on the Kurds.
@@loudawg25 hahahaha
Some think Turkey is the thanksgiving bird!
I am iranian and we have kurds in iran and even i can not claim to know them i just have some friends who are kurds
I did a massive project on the history of Kurdish people last year when they were politically irrelevant and now listening to politicians and public figures radically simplify the problem annoys the shit out of me.
I married one yet I'm still not an expert.
Both of these guys did a great job! More interviews like this please America!
Such a great informative interview and Trevor as always ask the perfect questions.
50 troops might not be much, but the fact our allies now see us as unreliable is damaging. Rand Paul is pettifogging the true crux of the issue.
Exactly!!!
@R Mcdud -Thanks, I wondered what happened to the other 1,450 troops no one seems to mention.
We could have 1 troop there. The point is we have been telling Turkey NO for years now. Then all of a sudden, without notice to Pentagon, Trump says we are pulling troops(troops are still there) and not resisting Turkish invasion.
I do not agree with removing the US troops from Syria, but us abandoning allies is not 'damaging' in the big picture. Nobody will remember this in a few years, especially once we have a new president. This will be a president trump thing rather than a USA thing. Its always been that way.
The US has the most powerful military in the world. This isn't changing anytime soon. Our presidents widely vary and can mean the difference between support in wars, climate change, or other things. We flip flop so often our allies don't know what to expect.
If we're being honest, we're blowing it out of proportion. Was it the right thing to do? No.
Does America need to worry about its reputation or how its allies see it? No.
@R Mcdud the numbers game.
Paul: points out something that has improved since Trump
Audience *BOOOOOOOO*
They boo because Trump sucks and so does Rand Paul.
Trevor's show is a pro-Democrat show. Any views of guests that oppose the democrat narrative, will be booed at.
I think there are arguments that can be made that the foundation for these improvements were laid by the previous president.
I can only speak for myself on this matter. But since this man has taken office, I have had family die due to lapses in coverage, others lose work due to layoffs, and members of extended family be threatened with deportation due to the Dreamers act being threatened.
While there may have been improvements made. The bulk of his impact has been negative, and detrimental to progress as a whole.
Nathan Brown Trump has never touched Medicare or Obamacare so yeah it must of been laid out by the previous administration. And getting laid off a job isn’t the governments fault, it just happens. As for the Dreamers Act god bless you, I hope you or your won’t have trouble with the gov. staying in the country. I know a couple DACA people and they’ve never even been to their home countries since 1 or 2 years old so it’d be a shame to see that happen
@@shrek1140
The family member affected by the threat to Dreamers has been in the United States for 20 years from a young age. She is training to be a doctor.
The naturalization process has been prohibitively expensive and lengthy. It has put her path to citizenship in jeopardy.
Layoff can happen at any time and I acknowledge that. That it occurs shortly after the transition of power is an unfortunate coincidence.
I don't know the specifics of insurance but I do know that when my mother's coverage lapsed and she petitioned for new coverage and federal financial aid due to unexpected and steep expenses. She was denied (pre-existing conditions). Being unable to work in her condition she passed away because she couldn't afford treatment. Again, that it happened shortly after this transition, is again, an unfortunate coincidence.
He may not have been a cause of this bad turn of events but he didn't fight the problems regarding healthcare or immigration.
These problems are far reaching and take time to fix. I get that. But he has done little to show that it matters to him. When you run for president your focus has to be the majority, not your own agenda.
This man, in my eyes, cannot see things that way and will not act to improve the aforementioned issues unless it benefits him.
My biggest issue with Socialism isn't the economics themselves, but the fact that most socialist leaders tend to be authoritarian leaders. Countries with authoritarian leaders rarely ever succeed due to corruption so the system almost fails
I agree with you but the same things apply to capitalism. Lobbying is just a fancy way of saying corruption
18:00 Rand Paul gives the definition of Fascism; Workers (not the state) owning their means of production is socialism, and many modern companies are successfully finding a way to employee ownership with little partisan or libertarian criticism. Crony capitalism is a feature, not a flaw of how our economy works and is maintained by congressman Paul.
Trevor makes incredible counter arguments here. He listens to Paul and incorporates his response into furthering the conversation without parroting Democrat taking points. Great job Trevor!
Rand Paul still held his ground to where Trevor couldn't continue to make counter points and just moved on.
@@desertsand8778 Rand Paul only proved he's a bought-off shill.
@@occamsrazor5376 how genius?
Not really. Those talking points are average counter arguments. Rand was making incredible ones if anything.
One of the most dangerous partnerships that has ever been conceived or allowed is the partnership between government and big business.
Yes and the worst solution to this problem is to scrap the whole system and implement a socialist command economy.
Nute Gunray
@@erikkovacs3097 1. Would that really be the worst solution? The way our society is headed, that seems like a lateral move.
2. No serious person is actually arguing in favor of a socialist economy.
@@crowz6247 The worst solution is more government control by unelected bureaucrats.
People may not use the word socialist but they advocate for it with more intervention into the economy.
@@erikkovacs3097 "more intervention into the economy," isn't that what lobbyists are for? rent seeking?
Rand Paul legit AF
News anchors need to hold people's feet to the fire like Trevor.
Trevor got caught trying to quote the guy out of context. Lol
@@zeebzorb6785 Where? With all seriousness, please, please, please give some evidence when making claims like this! Here it would be as simple as four characters, '#:##'.
To be clear, I am in no way claiming that your statement is false, nor am I attacking you in any way.
zeeb zorb , uh, Rand Paul was full of 💩, repeating right wing propaganda, such as Nazis were socialists! For ex.: www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001
Right? Who would have thought that I would get better news coverage and real debates on Comedy Central than on the ACTUAL news networks. Life is a comedy lol
To be honest i love Trevor but he was getting owned by Rand Paul on his own show. Rand Paul didnt even let him ask a follow up question that Trevor wanted to ask and went on a rant and after that Trevor maybe forgot the question that he wanted to ask. To be honest he didnt do a good job holding his feet to the fire.
Damn. Trevor is better than hardcore journalists at interviewing.
☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼 This is 💯 True!
By not contradicting any of the definitive bs he said?
Yeah, unfortunately he ended the segment with saying Rand's book was titled "The Case For Socialism" lol
There are no hardcore journalists anymore, just ppartisan propagandists.
And Rand Paul still kicked his ass.
"I love having you on the show because we argue..."
"No, we dont."
What a time to be alive.
The Crowd was like a group of pavlov dogs; they would holler at the mere sound of Trevor's voice with obviously not understanding the context of any point that was risen.
"When we're dancing with the angels, the question we'll be asked: In 2019, what did we do to make sure we kept our democracy intact?" Cummings said. "Did we stand on the sidelines and say nothing?"
No, we raise our voices like Cummings did!
Rest in Power, Mr. Cummings!!!
Word 👍
Rest in power Mr. Cummings 👍
Rand Paul is my favorite politician there is. Thank you Mr Paul for coming on a leftist show and thanks for having him on, Mr Noah
USF Fan I appreciate Mr. Paul’s willingness to engage in dialogue on complex and contentious issues. Dialogue requires time, patience and nuance and is the exact opposite of talking heads screaming soundbites at each other. I come from the other end of the political spectrum from the Senator but respect his statements.
I am a big supporter of Sen. Paul. He was the smartest guy in the room during the last presidential election. Unfortunately, that doesn't matter to voters.
Robert Jones Cheers! When Rand speaks, I listen. Yes- intelligence seems to get less mileage each year in electoral discourse. Sigh!
It must be hard playing fourth fiddle to Temple, Cincinnati, and UCF
Joseph Person Rand Paul is a dummy who got beat up by his neighbor for being an annoying nerd
Great job Trevor and Rand. We need more interviews and discussions like this. Two sides sitting down and discussing topics and different views. Bless you boys.
I love that Trevor repeatedly hushes the crowd and stops them from being disruptive so he can keep up his conversation.
Trevor disagrees with him, but he handles this interview very professionally. Trevor really flexes his journalism here.
Remember when he had Tomi Lahren on the show? That was impressive, too
Trevor is a Republican.
@@genuz LOL!
@@Dmp14u How is he not? He kisses ass whenever he has a rich guest, and now he is rich himself. He mocks the left and promotes centrists and right wingers.
@@genuz LMAO
The more often you repeat a wrong definition of socialism, the less serious your valid points sound
Only to people who actually know what it is, unfortunately
Socialism rises where capitalism fails. Sen. Paul should watch PBS/Ken Burns' 'The Roosevelts, an Intimate Portrait" episode 'The Rising Road.' Socialism saved America when capitalism failed bigly. Socialism builds the roads that capitalism drives on.
Kentucky the worst run state in America
Yeah, the moment he mentioned Hitler there he completely disqualified himself.
@Gwendolyn Williams who are you referring to?
We need to help all the Kurds just saying they’ve been a Allie since the first gulf war and are one of the only groups of people who want a democratic secular government yet we left them high and dry god bless the Kurds I hope they can find peace☮️🙏🏾
I know the average daily show audience and I totally understand their reaction here. They want entertainment, it rules their life over anything else.
I don’t agree with much of rand Paul’s politics but he is spot on with foreign-policy.
same here man, regime change is what the establishment wants.
His politics? By that you mean small government. Why would any one in their right mind want more government?
@@rlloft84 Why are you acting like anything besides libertarianism is extreme or insane? I would think you know dozens of people that aren't libertarian.
Free markets are good. Yes. But they're not stable. An unequal distribution of power has a natural tendency towards an even more unequal distribution of power. The tendency towards monopoly. And monopolies are not free markets. Furthermore, markets can handle novel ideas in only two ways: ignore it or commoditize it. You need the force of government to prevent the markets from commoditizing those things we want it to ignore, and you need the force of government to keep the markets from monopolizing.
A great example of markets commoditizing things we want it to ignore is money in politics, soft corruption, and buying elections. An example of markets ignoring things we wish it would commoditize is externalized costs such as pollution and climate change.
Furthermore, some industries are inherently un-free. Markets with network effects like social media and Facebook, and markets with adversarial effects like healthcare. When markets inevitably move towards being less free, you need a government stronger than any single market actor to force it back into its appropriate lane.
There's nothing magical about markets where they naturally serve human interests. We have to work hard and remain ever vigilant to keep the market serving humans rather than having humans serving the market.
Non-interventionism, is a principled stand, in my opinion. I apposed to all forms of intervention, military, or economic. But to abandon, our ally, the Kurds. Is leading them to be exterminated by Turkey. He says, you can't wage war, with however many small amount we had there. But in reality, we're not waging war now, and to maintain a presence, would have made the Turkish incursion into Rojava impossible. Plus, the administration, and as far as I know, conservatives haven't been voicing outrage or using diplomatic means to end the Aggression. --- To defend withdrawal, on the basis on non-interventionism, is disingenuous.
Jeffrey Johnson cool story. Never said that. Do you assume everything or just like to gamble on what people are thinking.
A lot of the issues are caused or worsened by lobbying money in government.
and the electoral college system.
@@jackel142 Especially now that we have the technology to mine data and specifically target certain areas... essentially hacking the system created to give a voice to less populated states. Every other ad on my UA-cam is a Trump ad and we still have a year to go.
@@notsure7404 so glad I don't live in the US or a country where commercials is used like this 🙏 give me more fidget spinner commercials lolol
@@official_alphabet_inc thru dat.
@@martinmorsch7507 Hola, nabo. Thru er kort for through/gjennom og tru er kort for true/sant. Peas, luw n harmony 👌
The government setting prices on its own is enough to devastate an economy. No corruption would be needed. That's exactly what occurred in USSR. Goskomtsen set the prices for goods, and the results were catastrophic.
Great interview. Bring Rand back!!!
"Maybe its not the job of America to always decide who runs every country," was the best thing Rand Paul said. Everything else... oy.
@@Guus775 By Govt you mean tax payers, right?
Yes it was and somehow in Rand Paul's beautifully dishonest mind its okay to continue to manipulate Ukraine for what we want. We have to pull out of Syria but not out of Ukraine. It just sounds like he is just ready to support the President for whatever bullshit Trump pulls.
It was the only thing of value that he said.
It's not your "job", it's in your national interest. Or you want to wait until next Hitler takes half of Europe before you act?
It’s good to see a Republican on the show. He made a couple of good points, although I disagree with him in general, but it’s healthy for debate.
Yeah and you can just hear the producers screaming at Trevor on his ear piece saying "STFU trevor! We need him to come back. Say he's making good points and close the segment goddamit"
Gaia Girl I disagree. It was not a HEALTHY debate, it was simply more Republican propaganda based on a real shift in public opinion of our economic system. A reasonable debate don't just argue the extremes and worst case scenario. That's just fear mongering as usual. If that was true America will end up like the Roman empire since we are based on a Republic......Umm maybe not the best example, 🤔 lol
Chris H I agree with you. However, I was pointing out that having a Republican on the show was healthy FOR debate, not that the discussion itself was a healthy exchange.
@@gaiagirl5715 you right, i miss read your comment. And it would be great to hear from people with different point of views, I say just be honest and genuine, and stop using scare tactics.
@@biggerchris20 Rand Paul is not a Trump supporter and not a real Republican; at least not what a Republican is today. He is a Constitutionalist who believes in small government. Just like Andrew Yang can relate everything to a Freedom Dividend, or Bernie Sanders to everything Socialism, Rand Paul can relate everything he says to having a small government. They don't retract what they say, they're consistent, and their ideas are all plausible.
When I used to be a Republican, he and his father were what I wanted the GOP to be. Not a bunch of cultists sucking on that Orange fat fuck's dick. Rand is one of the few Republicans that doesn't vote down party lines, he votes and speaks with his mind. It's honestly not fair to group him with what is now a shit show of the modern Republican party. I think he deserves more respect than anyone in the GOP right now.
Also, Bernie 2020! Because capitalism has taken this country too far right, and we need to go wayyy left just to get back towards the middle.
Nothing to see here, just Trevor Noah arguing for war but saying he's not.
Great and civil debate. Thanks for being willing to talk and listen Trevor! That was cool!
Sad trevor doesn't do this to democrats
Jeah its really sad. I see this everytime. If its Democrat its always easy questions and asskissing each other.
@Vlad the guru watch his Hillary Clinton interview
Mohammed Ahmed Hamid He is just a very useless South African trying to make it big in the USA. The guy is an arse hole. He should rather go home and try his luck with South African politicians .
How would that even work? The Right has totally doubled down in being corrupt and encouraging this money grab today. The rightful winner in this debate we have now isn't won by who interrupts the other best, or who is craftier at getting more ppl to agree with them, or who's the loudest. There really is a right and wrong, a fairness that the masses insist be lived by. This whole thing isn't a board game where the two sides start out as equal or rules change in mid play. If a handful of sly financiers somehow deserve an unlimited cash obsession, they sure damn well better pay a good portion back in taxes.
@@user-md8lz4jb9p Hey fuck you! Trevor nailed it and is very much pro-working class and if you don't like that, too fucking bad on your part!
Trevor Noah snuck in “The Case FOR Socialism” at the very end. Slick move Trevor.
Thank you Trevor Noah and the Daily Show for having the courage to talk fairly to Rand Paul...the Senator deserves to be heard at least.
Rand is the man. He’s my political spirit animal
America has seen how "honest" capitalism is in the last few years. We are moving on...
@Kenneth Austin Hamilton In one crucial aspect you do live under capitalism; Money = power.
And by now, that has subverted American democracy.
BOI thats socialist you libtard.
@Kenneth Austin Hamilton Scandinavia isn't socialist, its a mixed economy! The US isn't capitalist, it's a mixed economy!
I guess we can't do anything to either system then. oh well
@Kenneth Austin Hamilton Unbridled capitalism is the problem. Crony capitalism, which is more accurate here in America, is even worse.
I read the title as “embarrassing capitalism.” And I wasn’t wrong. Did he just compare today’s income with the 1820s? Was that an average? Because we still had SLAVERY in 1820.
And there wasn't a national/state minimum wage to measure against today either making that statement or question harder.
remember this is the guy that thought its a great idea for companies to have the right to discriminate against their customers
1820 was 100 years ago?
@@wyldeer It was almost 200 hundred years ago.
No, he compared the amount of extreme poverty in 1820 to now: 15:56
And yeah, getting rid of slavery in (most of) the world is the world being more free, and the freer people are, the richer they can be, which is his point.
Whenever rand Paul makes a bad point the audience goes off on him but whenever he makes a good point they are dead silent
Excellent discussion. Love seeing this type of meaningful dialogue across the aisle!
He really doesn’t want to answer Trevor’s questions... smh
@a------------ maybe a clarification to what constitutes 'one system isn't inherently evil'.
The goal of capitalism is to acquire capital(wealth), how do you acquire capital, by manufacturing and the subsequent exploitation (if you do not pay a fair(equal) of others, if you pay a fair wage, and price for materials you cannot acquire capital because you lose the same amount you gain, therefore you either have to exploit your workers, or from where/whomever you get your materials from, or you sell them for a higher price then what was put into your wares, to acquire capital, therefore exploiting your customers, which is 'evil'(benefits the few rather then the most, discriminates, enables egotistical power structures) because it feeds into the human(animalistic) 'nature' (what we commonly understand as a trait in all of us, that may or may not be of natural(genetic, in all of us by default) occurrence rather then socially(through learning) acquired) of greed.
While socialism does not feed into the 'nature' of greed and forces a state promoted equality of wealth through regulation and oversight rather than the wants and needs of individual power players to obtain capital. However socialism itself is very vulnerable to the 'nature' of greed which was somewhat Rand Paul's argument, the failure of human enables authoritarianism and communism in which the socialist ideas often succumbs to.
While capitalism is inherently 'evil'(exploitative), socialism is inherently flawed by not accounting for the human condition(of egotistical behaviour).
How can a true socialist democracy in which all the workers(the state)hold all the means to generate capital, operate as a fair and true democracy that is not parliamentary or presidential, and therefore does not enable single power players to obtain more leverage or capital within the system corrupting socialism into communism.
One solution would be more regulation of what for example the socialist parliament/president can do without approval of the people(vote), and by self control, but that would be as someone else said 'the police investigating themselves',(all self regulation is vulnerable to favouritism) and the peoples decision is not always what the state/the people need, on top of that it's easy to manipulate masses into a certain way of thinking especially if the ruling party controls all.(this all assuming a true benevolent government is not possible with current politics and our already established norms)
The best way go to from here is a capitalist-socialist hybrid, with a government sector controlling the private sector and a private sector controlling the government, with their accountability being controlled by the people, and that's not really that much different then what we already have in many western countries, with varying degrees(more less then is good, imo) of efficiency on the aspect of accountability.
If you reached the end of my spontaneous UA-cam essay congratulations you must have been as bored as me.
If you're looking for the tl;dr:
- Capitalism evil? YES, because people evil(stupid)
- Socialism good? YES but NO, because People evil(stuipd)
- What now? Fight to hold those with power accountable until a system is created that can actually regulate itself into a government that works for all the people's benefit, and not just the few.
Bored random internet person out.
@@INeyxI You really need to listen to Richard Wolff at Democracy Now. Also try Dr, Michael Parenti, Michael Hudson, Prof. Steve Keene, Prof. Mark Blyth, Chris Hedges.
@@INeyxI ....
1- I like to read long comments like yours. Most people are bad/lazy readers though.
2- You made interesting points.
Then there is the endless debate "communism" x "capitalism", that does not make much sense, as you can see in China, that is both.
IMO, the most interesting aspect of the Chinese system is the "one-party system" WITHOUT democratic elections, no popular vote.
Can anyone doubt that the Chinese "one-party, no democracy" system WORKS?
It surprises me that I see nobody recognizing that democracy is a failed system in most countries. Democracy elects whoever is the best in the "art" of campaigning, or spends more money in his campaign, or is better in lying with a straight face,, or making promises he/she doesn't have a remote intention of fulfilling, etc, etc.
The BEST analysis/comparison between the U.S. and Chinese political systems was this TED Talk:
ERIC LI: A TALE OF TWO POLITICAL SYSTEMS
ua-cam.com/video/s0YjL9rZyR0/v-deo.html
@calistorich after socialists as well
@@santsuma Communism and capitalism are economic systems. Yes, they have political ramifications, but they are not political systems. Democracy, monarchy, oligarchy, constitutional republics, etc are political systems.
When he says "that's not real capitalism" isn't that the same as when he accuses the other side of saying "that's not real socialism"?
Not really. The United States has gone through periods with far less industry capture of gov't than we have today. Largely because the scope of gov't power under the constitution was read far more narrowly by the supreme court until the 1930s. If there is less power in gov't, then there is less power for private interests to buy. Capitalist systems require a restricted gov't of predictable laws to function.
But socialist systems by nature concentrate decision making power. If the state owns the means of production then it's a state apparatus that will decide how many shoes to manufacture, for example. Since without prices it's impossible to know how many shoes the population needs, it will come down to a political policy. Putting this much power in government will ALWAYS result in the concentration of power with the final decision maker. i.e. rule by the decision maker and his oligarchic administrators.
In a future where technology is advanced enough for factories to be able to modularly change production from a good to another very quickly, then it may be possible for a socialist system of voting for production levels to work at the level of a city state perhaps - so long as that city state generates enough aggregate wealth by exporting a lot of professional services or perhaps oil & minerals. And so long as there is a system of incentives that allow people to excel. And so long as many goods are shipped in from freer polities surrounding this theoretical socialist city state.
But in large polities it will never be practical or wise to aggregate millions - or hundreds of millions - of people and their wants and needs in to the decision making authority of a state leader.
Note: a robust welfare state does not socialism make. Socialism means state ownership of the means of production.
@@GOLIATHdominates you just started rambling about something that literally has nothing to do with what I said.
@@GOLIATHdominates Who are you even talking to? lmfao
@@juanpablovillarroel4486 I was presuming your question was a real one and not a rhetorical statement.
Unaccountable concentrated power is inherently part of socialism, but it's not inherently part of capitalism. For the reasons stated above.
Your 'no true scotsman' attribution thus rings hollow.
There are numerous examples of capitalist systems alongside gov't systems that resist corruption for long periods of time, but there are no examples of large polities with both socialist gov't controlled economies and functional political systems.
Um no...
He stated 2 very specific industries where people feel like capitalism has failed us. Both of which have seen sweeping socialist policies (government takeover/ownership) take them over, and aren't capitalist ideas at all. He legitimately explained...what he meant...5 seconds later.
I’ve never actually seen this show. The promos were more than enough for two lifetimes.
The book is called “The Case Against Socialism”, but at the very end of the interview Trevor Noah calls it “The Case For Socialism.” Wonder if he snuck that it on purpose. Ha.
So if I understand him correctly: socialism is bad because people abuse it. Capitalism is good and if people abuse it it's not capitalism. Something tells me this guy never won any debating matches...
Its simple. If you look at history and statistics 90% of countries where socialism came to power there was some kind of genocide or mass slaughter followed by oppression. You have the small elite in power that have all the privilage. Its corrupt by nature. Standard of living for those countries that became socialist went down considerably even for the working class.
Capitalism is a free market playing on the same playing field, or as good as. That promotes competition and progress. Monopolies or back door dealings among competitors destroy the free markets and the playing field, along with overregulation of businesses. This why its crony. Why you have anti trust laws. Government is ment only to create a level fair playing. More than that is crony capitalism.
Thats the idea behind it all.
@@RedButtonTV1 that's what Stalin told the farm owners when he confiscated their lands. Shut it you "self centered morons".
@@walkinondamoon1 Well no, Socialism itself isn't the reason why there are genocides and mass slaughters, though it does have a flaw that allows it to be easily abused like that, rather the reason there is genocides and mass slaughters is because socialism is usually established by people who were angry at capitalism, so angry they were prone to violence and accept it widespread, it's a "revolution" after all.
Communism's color is red because of the bloodshed of the revolutionary struggle!
And of course, people prone to violence are also prone to corruption which makes the flaw that allows it inevitably taken advantage of quickly.
The problem with Capitalism is it's focus purely on money makes wealth gaps and poverty inevitable and undealt with, leading to unrest and often revolutions. The economy needs to evolve once more, for example GDP has long been said to not reflect social well-being, I like the ideas of Andrew Yang who proposes a new index that promotes human wellbeing: www.yang2020.com/policies/human-capitalism/
"Capitalism as an economic system has led to unparalleled innovation and improvement in the human condition. Many consider it to have “won” the war of ideas against socialism, but that simplistic view ignores that there is no such thing as a pure Capitalist system. And our current version of institutional capitalism and corporatism is a relatively recent development.
Our current emphasis on corporate profits isn’t working for the vast majority of Americans. (...)The focus of our economy should be to maximize human welfare. Sometimes this aligns with a purely capitalist approach, where different entities compete for the best ideas. But there are plenty of times when a capitalist system leads to suboptimal outcomes. Think of an airline refusing to honor your ticket because they can get more money from a customer who purchases last-minute, or a pharmaceutical company charging extortionate rates for a life-saving drug because the customers are desperate."
@unknowning unknown We need to stop using "socialism" altogether because NOBODY on the left is asking for his "government owns the means of production" type of socialism. We want the nordic model aka capitalism that uses taxes to fund social programs thus helping out the entire society while still being capitalist. They're just using taxes the way they should be used. GOP are so full of shit.
@@walkinondamoon1 at least crony socialism is easier to topple than crony capitalism. Fucked up socialism has been obvious enough for the general public for lasting, meaningful change. Fucked up capitalism in "1st world countries" let's the 99% pretend to be more free than the 99% anywhere else, when in fact they mostly are not, if not more regulated than the rest of the world.
He'd make a better case against socialism if Kentucky wasn't living off food stamps....
Thank you for asking the right questions, Trevor.
Kentucky has more opioid addicts and meth heads and welfare trash and more people on disability than any state.
Srsly! President Sanders is going to go down there and rally Kentucky to kick his sorry ass out.
Libertarians are the proto fascists who compare Hitler and Stalin to the likes of Bernie. Tired of their blabla. Stop using my socialist roads and don't call my socialist fire department then.
@@LouMontana-wc7nr and they seem to vote for evil people like Rand Paul, Moscow Mitch and the Turds in the WH. 😐
@Mats K Rand and his Daddy both have white pointy sheets in their closets.
Trevor said the case for socialism at the end lmao.
Coincidence?
I really appreciated what seemed like an honest give and take of ideas from both perspectives. Nice job gentlemen. Can’t wait to get the book.
Trevor closed by saying "The case FOR socialism" 🤣
Lol had to watch it twice but yeah he did 😂
That was slick
Lol was that slip of the tongue or did he do it on purpose?
@@luna2267 I hope it was on purpose.
Well Rand Paul just spent 20 minutes making a fairly good case for socialism, or at least against whatever it is he supports.
"We have always resisted centralisation of power" - he says about the US o A, one of the most unequal countries of the western hemisphere, where a very small number of wealthy people can set the agenda for the nations politics through financing and more or less direct control of the means of any president.
So I am just going to go ahead and call bullshit on that.
does this not count as resistance?
@@isiahwoods1623 no. It is centralisation of power, only centrilised among people whom we cannot vote out, and have in fact little knowledge about, let alone power over. It is a problem, to say the least, for a working democracy.
He means centralization of power by the government not private citizens.
These people for some reason believe greedy capitalists are more benevolent then public servants.
Even bill gates who is one of the "good ones" put his money and influence to "improve" public education based on his expert billionaire ideas and all it did was show the private sector there there is lots of money to be made in education whole ruining the quality of education and making teachers poor
@ Its like all you can do is talk about things as they are now (very inaccurately) and forgot how they got there while defending capitalism. El Salvador which had a revolution and is in its current state because the US in the 80's backed right wing contras, and when the wars were over and everyone disarmed they deported gang members from LA. you are talking about Cuba being more unequal than the US come on now. Cuba more unequal before their revolution and their oligarchs fled to the US, now we have to deal with Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, sad. And Venezuela is corrupt for sure still less unequal than before they had their revolution and how is a country supposed to end up logically if the US has been trying to lunch coups since 1997, and the US helps that country's rich and powerful stash money?