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"Leonardo had patrons". Yes-but isn't art better served by a direct relationship with it's audience as patrons? Instead of people at the top or middlemen affecting it?
Hell yes there were too many explosions. The myths with explosions are like the ‘lost loves’ segments on unsolved mysteries. They all started to blur together
I am not sure I would call an explosion issue, so much as a push for something dramatic and sensational. In general, shows are great because the show runners are great. If it came from a focus group or a producers research, it will eventually be an issue.
Not at all, the explosions were great and they are part of many myths. And they're dramatic so it makes good TV - kind of a win-win. The term "explosion episode inflation spiral" was, I imagine, coined by someone who has an interest in advertising - its very clever.
To be clear, I loved the explosions! 💥💥💥 But I also love the term explosion episode inflation spiral ❤… because I came up with it. It is my gift to future generations. Although, “explosion inflation spiral” would sound better 🤔 but then it could mean a single explosion getting out of control… art is hard sometimes. Edit: Just re-read the vid’s title, “explosion spiral” is better 😂
The explosions were ok but the best episodes were the more creative in thought and processing, such as lead balloon and especially the traincar implosion. "Jamie wants big boom" still gets me every time though!
The big booms were fun, but I also enjoyed the more though provoking episodes like Concrete Glider, or Thermite Hindenburg Zeppelin. But for pure cinematic visuals, you can't beat the U2 spy plane. There were no explosions in that episode, and it was the best work the show has EVER done from a visual standpoint. It's kinda' hard to beat the image of Adam staring out the cockpit at the Earth below from 70,000+ ft in the air.
I also have a soft spot where they did psychology-related experiments with volunteers. Like when Jamie and Adam tested out high quality face masks combined with acting training, so that they could pretend being one another. Would that fool other people? Such myths tell beautiful stories about us human beings, from the wonderful craftspeople who make such things and the psychology behind how we recognize people to the joys of seeing people interact in unexpected ways.
This is true, many quality products ceased to grow and thus were eventually dwarfed by the growth of others and disappeared. But, many many many more products lacking quality were also destroyed to make room for a better quality product.
Day one of Intro to Broadcasting in college all those years ago, the professor asked what the main purpose was to broadcasting. Answers were given such as: ‘to communicate,’ ‘to share ideas’, ‘to entertain.’ She shook her head. ‘To make money.’
The art of it is to do so in such a way that viewers don't _feel_ like that's the purpose. (and guess what TV people, when a dramatic moment onscreen is one third covered by an advert for Ford, you have singularly failed at that art :)
@@robadams1645 And it used to be even more blatant than it is now. Every midroll ad read by the presenter on a UA-cam video is a spiritual successor to the segment on "American Home Products Theatre" or whatever where the hosts of a variety show would have Chef Boyardee (as in Ettore Boiardi himself) on to make some spaghetti.
With the comparison between UA-cam and Discovery Channel, people don't seem to take into account the competition. Pre-UA-cam, there weren't more than a handful of channels to watch, for the majority of the world. Nowadays, there so flipping many channels to watch that no single channel would pull per-episode ad-revenue like peak-Mythbusters.
@@cannibalbananas Disagree. We have way more specialized content now catering to every interest. For example, if I wanted to learn about the development history of a PDP-11, there never would have been a channel or episode about it on TV. But UA-cam allows for such channels to exist and thrive.
@@shadow7037932 I don't mean individual attention, I mean collective attention. It used to be one show could catch the majority of viewers. Now we are all doing our own thing. It's harder for any one thing to catch our attention collectively.
Adam, I just wanted to comment here and I know you probably have tons of comments and obviously tons of viewers. Anyway, back on track, I just wanted to personally say thank you for being mine and my family’s entertainment every Sunday night before we go to bed for school Monday morning. MythBusters was the show that everyone actually sat down and watched because of all the crazy fun stuff you guys did. One day if it would ever happen, I would love to meet you and personally shake your hand, and say thank you for all the work you’ve done on that show. You have an amazing mind and an outstanding collection of stuff behind you, which, I still have my jaw dropped sometimes when your camera is on.
For me, the most memorable Mythbusters episode was the one where a hot water heater was launched like a rocket after having its safety features disabled. The slow-mo video of a residential hot water heater launching through a roof was incredible.
A good friend at a government agency has turned down director of her department several times, upper management is a revolving door and you must have traits of a politician - the price you pay to be the boss.
This is the most accurate description of the entertainment industry as a whole, music, film, games that I've ever heard. People need to hear this stuff. Thank you for saying it in such a clear understandable way. In the end it all exists to generate revenue. The only reason people are even able to sustainably create, make art in our society as it exists is because (and only if) it generates cash.
@@juanperezmich See, I expected comments like this. It is what it is. If you want to survive, and do what you want to do in life, you have to sacrifice. The younger generation doesn't believe in sacrifice and it's a detriment to all of society worldwide.
@@expjames911 "the younger generation X and its a detriment to society" such a timeless quote said by generation after generation and yet society always grows. For sure it has its ups and downs, but the fall of Rome wasn't due to a younger generations lack in belief in sacrifice, yet I'm sure some Roman codger sure believed it
It's amazing how many famous wealthy people living in California espouse Keynesian nonsense while living like royalty after success in the capitalist system. 3:02 "But the only satisfaction we got out of that job was exploring our own creativity in executing that job". Right. The ONLY satisfaction. Not the millions of dollars.
This does makes me think about that one rule about promotions I heard and that seems to show up everywhere. People that are great at their job get a promotion, and they keep rising till they end up on a place that they don't really excel at. So no more promotion, the old job was a better fit for there skill but would be a step back. So many ride it out from there , on a place they don't really excel.
Another issue is that there is a big difference between being a technician (person on the ground doing the job) and being a manager (person in leadership doing administrative work). You might be perfect for the technical job, but the only promotion is to an administrative job for which you are woefully unqualified. End yet we do it anyways.
MythBusters was never just about explosions or trying to top the last episode-it was about the unique chemistry between Adam and Jamie. Their dynamic-Adam's boundless enthusiasm and Jamie's stoic pragmatism-made the show unforgettable. The projects were cool, but what kept us coming back was watching these two work together, clash, and ultimately create something amazing. Their personalities made the show, and that often gets overlooked when people focus on the stunts or TV production pressures. It was authentic, entertaining, and one of a kind.
You always knew between the two of them, there was going to be no stone left unturned. Adam would approach the problem from one direction and Jamie would hit another completely different tangent.
As I see it, the biggest problem is the incentives that the show producers are being pressured by are so often pushing towards making what's seen as safe - what has worked before - rather than pushing more toward making more creative unique art. It's what leads to sequels instead of new concepts.
You're talking about the executives reminded me of a saying which, I can't remember where I heard it and that is, you rise to your level of incompetence. That is very evident in the executive space.
There was a noticeable spike in the intensity of explosions around season 4 or so. The early seasons when it was just Jamie and Adam hosting each episode felt much more methodical and deliberate, as time went on it started to feel a little more jocular and the comedy started to feel forced after a while.
I can only imagine what kind of great shows we could have gotten if Discovery didn't spend the boatloads of cash on fake, scripted, and absolute garbage like "Fast and Loud, Amish Mafia, Mermaids - body found, Gold Rush, Street Outlaws, Naked & Afraid, Bush People, etc." The list of their brain-drain B.S. shows in the last few decades is embarrassing. Even more embarrassing is how many people think this broadcast diarrhea is real. This kind of "network decay" that also hit channels like History is why I rarely watch anything on "TV" anymore and instead turn to UA-cam and similar services to get inspiring, thinking, or intelligent content. They recently gutted "MotorTrend TV" after years of paring down the good shows (Roadkill, Hot-Rod Garage, Engine Masters, Dirt Everyday) for garbage like "Kevin Hart's Muscle Cars" (one can only imagine how much more money Hart was paid in comparison to entire cast/crews of the better shows...) and axed basically the entire channel last month. Luckily many of the hosts have found a home and are doing well on UA-cam. They did the same with print media (magazines) after Discovery bought TEN (the enthusiast network) and axed 19 of 23 magazines and staff. This hit home for me - as I worked with quite a few editors / tech guys there as I was regularly featured in several magazines showing how to do particular tasks on projects. The best part is when these people in charge talk about how they have to make despicably fake shows like "Amish Mafia" because no one watches the more factual, honest shows - yet you can peruse UA-cam and find great, honest and well produced content that has followings of millions and millions of people and rabid fanbases. I would be willing to be some of the more prevalent UA-cam channels have a larger viewership than some of the garbage Discovery is pushing these days.
You said alot: 1. Fast & Loud and Street Outlaws where not bad, not my jam but definitely entertaining if left on someone TV & background noise (I tend to rewatch How It's Made lol even when I try to have it in the background). 2. The good shows to you can be lumped into the shows mentioned above and that's me looking at random of most of them. Kevin Hart show never bothered me casue he has the money but him making a fool of himself makes for fun TV and he respects and admire the car culture so they can put up with his silliness for the exposure and I've found more then a few cool companies that I like because of that. 3. Print was going to die, having a cell/tablet is so much easier. That's said I'm a comic & whatever book fancy me person so I still like physical book & comics the later I'll keep a digital copy to keep reading on the go if I'm engrossed but I'll still read and understand why printing will go away enmasse
@@danielland3767 Fast and loud was scripted garbage. "Gas Monkey Garage" never existed before Discovery approached that Ed Hardy wannabe Rawlins. Everything about that shop / show was completely fabricated. Not only that - I have seen their "work" and it was quite poor. That is why that show is the laughing stock of people who actually build cars. When I worked in the industry, one of the shops I worked at was approached by Discovery to do a show. We all unanimously said "absolutely not" for several reasons. Street Outlaws was only slightly better - as many of the racers are actually racers. The part that made it so stupid besides the fake drama - is the whole "illegal street race" image thing Discovery was so intent on pushing (even though anyone with 2 brain cells would know that there was nothing "illegal" about any of it, and it was on closed roads with safety/med crews standing by.... all organized, permitted, and orchestrated...) The worst part of Street Outlaws and it's "illegal street racing" fakeness was the amount of people that would watch the show and then were inspired to actually go illegal street race. General print media is on the decline - but I am pretty sure Discovery's acquisition of TEN was to get the famous trademarks MotorTrend, Hot-Rod, etc. Right after they acquired TEN they renamed Velocity to MotorTrendTV (which they just shut down after ruining it.) Thankfully some of the host/writers/etc of the magazines / good shows have found a home on UA-cam (David F, Mike F, Tony D, etc.) I do subscribe to a few magazines - and they are niche automotive and photography magazines and they have adopted the high-quality materials/print and high quality content business model. Sure, they are more expensive - but it is successful and better reads. Far as Kevin Hart goes - I won't ever consider him a representative of "car culture" over the who buffoonery when they crashed his SpeedCore 'cuda. Hart and the driver (hart's friend) both talked about Speedcore building an unsafe car (built to Hart's specs) and threatened to sue the shop. Hart backed off this real quick when the details of their stupidity came out (no one was wearing a seat belt, and there was a passenger in the rear despite the car not having seats back there.) After that he put forth a lot of effort saying it wasn't the shops fault - but I won't forget how he and the driver trash talked the shop at first and failed to take responsibility for their own actions.
Oh I remember when Discovery axed "Wings", as well as the games SF played with Firefly which is about when I stopped watching TV. I missed the last season of Mythbusters and the Battlestar Galactica reboot as a result.
@@GeneCash Missing the last season of the BSG reboot was lucky. By that point it was pretty apparent that they were making sh*t scripts up on the fly after snorting a few lines.
It was very refreshing to hear an artist, a creator talk about the money side of things in a very down to earth and realistic way. I would never have gotten to see MythBusters if it was not for the commerce of arts and entertainment. 'Leonardo had patrons' was a great line. Hope you are doing well and thanks for what I have learned from you and the rest of MythBusters.
This is true everywhere, not just in TV and entertainment. Even if you have the same broader goal of, say, make B company successful, each person is going to do so within the context of what they can control. Different hierarchy, different organizations, different teams, all have different goals and motivations. Furthermore, the tools they have at hand are also going to differ.
I think my favorite episodes were always the ones about "controlled" explosions. Like the boiler. I didn't want it big, I wanted it complex and outlandish.
Everyone time someone tells me about their job, regardless of what it is, I've found it an eye-opening experience. Learning how the sausage is made, so to speak, is one of the most invaluable bits of insight a person can have. It doesn't means a system isn't flawed, just that there are very good reasons why things are the way they are.
I like that analogy, that art and commerce is a marriage. As a frontend developer that's built the frontend interfaces of Shopify e-commerce stores, I've seen that intertwined but contentious relationship between art and commerce first hand.
I don't think networks executives are stupid, but I think the Pieter principle is present, as it is in all businesses and walks of life. Take someone who is really good, the best in the world at producing a show, they can do it amazingly. If they get promoted into a higher position, what I imagine can happen is while they're good, brilliant at producing a show, they are not necessarily as talented when it comes to other elements of what it means to be a network executive and the decisions they make can end up look ill advised on occasion.
I definitely tired of the explosions. Glad someone asks this. And I remember the time they pointlessly shot up a very nice vintage Imperial. Pure stupidity.
The best moments of the show were when the techno wave song goes on as we get a detailed explanation of the mathematics and engineering behind a solution to test the myths!
Often engineers think they are distinct from artists, but I worked with a TV director who would regularly say that engineers *are* artists. Every day our engineering requires creativity and elegance in engineering design is an art form.
I remember hearing Ronald D. Moore, the producer on Battlestar Galactica, talking about getting notes from the network. He said that often the notes were good ones. His biggest problem was that he was trying to execute the show, and there's not always an ability to read and incorporate everything a showrunner gets.
Ron Moore had previously been Ira Behr's right-hand man on Star Trek Deep Space Nine, and both Moore and Behr have talked about the indirect benefit they got from not being the flagship show at any point during their run-first they were "that other show" to TNG and then later to Voyager. This is one of the unsung reasons DS9 has such a passionate fanbase that will insist (and I am one of these people) that it is some of the best television-not just Star Trek, not just science fiction, but television full stop-ever shown on a screen.
I have been rewatching all the Mythbusters episodes again so far the Hindenburg one is my favourite if you filmed it in black-and-white when it was burning your model looked just like the original film clip. I think Adam even said it was his favourite small scale reenactment I wish you could do a get together video again. 🇦🇺👍
Adam touched only briefly on the fact that there are *two* potential risk factors for an “explosion episode inflation spiral”: 1. The network 2. The Mythbusters (they love explosions!)
3:19 I don't think it is unreasonable to want escalating explosiions. If you watch them out of order, there is a danger of thinking an explosion "isn't that big" because it isn't as big as a previous explosion. But if you watch them smallest to largest, each explosion is the most dangerous thing you've ever seen which is exactly how you should think about explosions.
So basically the TV networks priority is not to make entertainment but just to make as much profit as possible instead! Do they operate under The Ferengi Rules of Aquisition?
All big businesses operate under the Rules of Acquisition. If you forget this you get your health and life ruined by someone climbing over you. Because: "Employees are the rungs on the ladder to success. Never hesitate to step on them."
Television networks and movie studios have always been up there to make money. They are businesses, just like any other one. Where do you think all of the money in order to make these productions comes from? Let’s not be ignorant and pretend like this is a new thing
I would like to see a micro explosion! Maybe something under a specialized microscope and the order of a few hundred molecules or something like that. Maybe with slow motion. However i don't think this exists.
@@writerpatrick All you need is something that vibrates, water and a close-up slo-mo camera. The vibration creates cavitation in the water (turning a tiny amount into a gas bubble, which then implodes). I believe there is a video or two showing similar stuff on the SloMo guys' channel.
Adam, my most favorite epsiode where you blew stuff up, was one the one with the cement mixer. You laughed so hard it when it blew up I just had to laugh too!
For me one of the things, that makes Mythbusters great was. When they have done the experiment . They will see how far they could take this. I think that is just the kid living in us.
I feel like there's a valid argument here to say that the executives aren't stupid, but make stupid decisions. That said, their decisions are stupid in the "a fish is stupid if you judge it on its ability to climb a tree" sense. The approach taken by the executives in any market is at odds with the approach taken by people making the product or content they're selling. One side is focused on a very different set of goals from the other.
While it's true we'll never separate art from commerce, it doesn't have to be made under a capitalist economic model. Humans have been producing art since before we were human, and all artists throughout history have needed community support to have the time and resources to make their art, but the psychotic drive to extract maximum value from work has not been a constant through that time. It is a very, very new thing, and I hope - from the perspective of human history - it is a flash in the pan.
I'm guessing that most Mythbusters fans who have followed Adam here to Tested were not about the big booms, but more about the people and the ideas. Tom Scott's videos without Tom Scott would be hollow. Dude Perfect without Cody, Cory, Ty, Coby and Garrett would seem empty. Mark Rober's squirrel challenges are neat, but they are a lot more because of who Mark is. And same for Destin, Cleo, Gav & Dan, Dianna Cowern (well wishes for her ongoing recovery!), How Ridiculous, etc. The initial ideas bring people, but it's always the quality of the creators themselves that I think people really stay for. Which is why I will watch entire videos from Adam that are on topics sometimes that don't really interest me, because I know Adam will bring the interest or thoughtfulness that will make my watching feel worthwhile. He inspires my interest in topics that hadn't previously interested me at all -- often solely due to the authenticity of his investment and passion for an idea. 100% respect.
I'm completely flabbergasted at how well Adam can explain any subject and bring his experience and give a balanced and well thought opinion. This is why I watch you since the day of the TED talk about the Dodo. Regarding executives, from what I've seen in IT, they are definitely not idiots, they are extremely smart and intelligent, but have different priorities, and usually is how to make the most money all the the time
hey Adam,, I posted once here yesterday about an idea.. A simpler way to think of it is like taking a car tire and inflating it when off the bead with a spray of starter fluid inside the tire and then throwing a match inside it causing it to be inflated quickly. Say the bead was held close to the rim so minimal gas escaped, and it was insulated thermally around the rubber tire (and its a steel belted tire which is awesome btw but its flexability works against this sortof lest its insulated well....) and say once the pressure in it got low enough the bead poped off the rim allowoing it to exchange gases.. So the quuestion is,, Since it would trap al that pressure and heat better than an ICE engine and if it powered a air piston in ideal conditions,, wouldnt it be More effceint than a ICE engine?? like.. with a pack of four alternating exploding tires one could power a small generator better than if using a gas engine. The gas being exhausted could be Substainally cooler from pressure changes.. Idk.. could you try this??
No, because it would take a long time to "unexplode" a tire. It takes forever and a lot of work to break the bead. "once the pressure in it got low enough the bead popped off the rim allowing it to exchange gases.." does NOT happen. That bead is ON there.
I was thinking that, it was obviously a very expensive show. Though speaking of Mythbusters, who are these two who are doing it now? I've only seen that this week and I've really enjoyed their version.
The business model for broadcast entertainment is changing drastically. Networks are imploding, AI is on the verge of radically altering content production, it is about be very different from what we have known.
The chasm between art and entertainment is that entertainment is a compromise, often between money and vision, whereas art is uncompromising vision, period. When art starts to compromise for the sake of views, or money, or to avoid pissing people off, it stops being art, and becomes entertainment. Artists can do both art and entertainment, but not simultenously. The whole concept or art loses it's meaning when it stops being about self-expression, and starts being self-expression, except with a part of that "self" or of the "expression" getting changed or removed to please network executives or whoever it is. Hollywood movies, as an example, cannot be art, and never have been art, because Hollywood movies are built from countless compromises, with the script, the runtime, the actors, the acting, the shots, the lights, the effects and so on. Same obviously goes for TV shows.
I am grateful for the way Mythbusters was produced. While the investment financially into the show was obvious....it was never produced in such a way that shouted *LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WE SPEND TO ENTERTAIN YOU* Honestly it felt like what I know see as a youtube show. Bare bones and highly entertaining with a healthy dose of informative learning. One of the best shows imho ever produced.
Media went from "Mass Media" to "Media Fragmentation." In the 80s my video production instructor said, the show is to fill the time and keep the audience till the next commercial.
I think you're correct about not being able to do Mythubsters on UA-cam. But how about publishing on Amazon Prime? I am pretty sure Amazon would pay good money per episode to bring in more users. I know this is most likely just a hypothetical, I doubt you want to throw yourself in that vortex of work at this point in your life, but I just wanted to suggest that as a thought experiment or maybe a suggestion for something smaller and not so demanding.
But the explosion spiral did sadly occur. I loved the earlier seasons with their focus on the build process. the science and the story behind the myth. In later seasons they seemed to always want to cut as quickly as possible to the chase. just focusing on the process of creating ever larger explosions.
That is actually a little funny to hear. I think it was the 3rd rocket car episode when I completely noped out of the show. For me the show had jumped the shark and was no longer the show I had fallen in love with earlier.
There is a subset of fans of any given piece of media that prefers cerebral, intelligent content to performative spectacle. Some properties have higher proportions of that subset than others. But in general, the overwhelming majority of typical media consumers, especially in the United States, skew toward the spectacle. Executives, whose sole interest is "the ratings", know this. Adam knows this, as he states in nearly as many words in this video. And it means that intelligence must inevitably yield the floor to mouth-breathing. The only question becomes how quickly this happens.
This episode reminded me of the absolutely forgettable TV show, "Smash Lab," which seemed to have been born from someone realizing that Mythbusters fans loved explosions and crashes.
Marketing 101: get, keep, grow. However, none of those are infinite and are all subject to oversaturation. And thus the bell curve growth and eventual degradation of all trends, be they fashion, entertainment, or anything else.
There is no art more genuine than that created by the artist that has no motive other than attempting to realise a vision in his mind that demands to be expressed. Everything else is just pay for play.
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"Leonardo had patrons". Yes-but isn't art better served by a direct relationship with it's audience as patrons?
Instead of people at the top or middlemen affecting it?
Hell yes there were too many explosions. The myths with explosions are like the ‘lost loves’ segments on unsolved mysteries. They all started to blur together
I am not sure I would call an explosion issue, so much as a push for something dramatic and sensational.
In general, shows are great because the show runners are great.
If it came from a focus group or a producers research, it will eventually be an issue.
Not at all, the explosions were great and they are part of many myths. And they're dramatic so it makes good TV - kind of a win-win. The term "explosion episode inflation spiral" was, I imagine, coined by someone who has an interest in advertising - its very clever.
To be clear, I loved the explosions! 💥💥💥
But I also love the term explosion episode inflation spiral ❤… because I came up with it. It is my gift to future generations.
Although, “explosion inflation spiral” would sound better 🤔 but then it could mean a single explosion getting out of control… art is hard sometimes.
Edit: Just re-read the vid’s title, “explosion spiral” is better 😂
The explosions were ok but the best episodes were the more creative in thought and processing, such as lead balloon and especially the traincar implosion. "Jamie wants big boom" still gets me every time though!
The big booms were fun, but I also enjoyed the more though provoking episodes like Concrete Glider, or Thermite Hindenburg Zeppelin. But for pure cinematic visuals, you can't beat the U2 spy plane. There were no explosions in that episode, and it was the best work the show has EVER done from a visual standpoint. It's kinda' hard to beat the image of Adam staring out the cockpit at the Earth below from 70,000+ ft in the air.
Like many people, my favorite was "Lead Balloon" for the process. Plus anything that dove deep into the how and why.
this is a perfect summation of mythbusters
Explosions alone can't fill an hour
I also have a soft spot where they did psychology-related experiments with volunteers. Like when Jamie and Adam tested out high quality face masks combined with acting training, so that they could pretend being one another. Would that fool other people? Such myths tell beautiful stories about us human beings, from the wonderful craftspeople who make such things and the psychology behind how we recognize people to the joys of seeing people interact in unexpected ways.
The myth of infinite growth has destroyed more quality products than any other thing.
This is true, many quality products ceased to grow and thus were eventually dwarfed by the growth of others and disappeared. But, many many many more products lacking quality were also destroyed to make room for a better quality product.
It's the very same mindset that is making our planet incapable of sustaining human life.
Exponential growth with finite resources is impossible.
Welcome to capitalism!
The myth of infinite growth is destroying the economy in general, among many other things.
We can't win. The alternative is stagnation. Collapse either way. People just don't realize how little wealth there really is.
Day one of Intro to Broadcasting in college all those years ago, the professor asked what the main purpose was to broadcasting. Answers were given such as: ‘to communicate,’ ‘to share ideas’, ‘to entertain.’ She shook her head.
‘To make money.’
The art of it is to do so in such a way that viewers don't _feel_ like that's the purpose.
(and guess what TV people, when a dramatic moment onscreen is one third covered by an advert for Ford, you have singularly failed at that art :)
@@anonymes2884 programming is just the filler between commercials. It works here on UA-cam as well.
It's a support system for advertising. Always has been.
@@robadams1645 And it used to be even more blatant than it is now. Every midroll ad read by the presenter on a UA-cam video is a spiritual successor to the segment on "American Home Products Theatre" or whatever where the hosts of a variety show would have Chef Boyardee (as in Ettore Boiardi himself) on to make some spaghetti.
The explosion spiral would end with setting off a nuke to see if a manhole cover would actually break orbit.
I would watch that. 😂
@@ObeyWannTK6960I would not put it past Adam and Jamie to build a working tacnuke.
I'll always be disappointed they didn't at least try to tackle it in scale.
@@terrylong8894 I have no doubt they have the knowhow but getting the materials would be a trick and a half.
@@Blasted2Oblivion lol yeah getting the fissionable material would be....interesting....
With the comparison between UA-cam and Discovery Channel, people don't seem to take into account the competition.
Pre-UA-cam, there weren't more than a handful of channels to watch, for the majority of the world.
Nowadays, there so flipping many channels to watch that no single channel would pull per-episode ad-revenue like peak-Mythbusters.
Agreed. Our attention is too fractured now
@@cannibalbananas Disagree. We have way more specialized content now catering to every interest. For example, if I wanted to learn about the development history of a PDP-11, there never would have been a channel or episode about it on TV. But UA-cam allows for such channels to exist and thrive.
@@shadow7037932 I don't mean individual attention, I mean collective attention. It used to be one show could catch the majority of viewers. Now we are all doing our own thing. It's harder for any one thing to catch our attention collectively.
The mixer lorry explosion not having a slow mo will always make me sad
Thanks for reminding me
I loved the sound of that explosion. There was a “twang” to it that I loved. It was my favorite explosion.
That explosion was my first exposure to just how violent explosions could actually be. It was just a hellishly powerful boom.
They did revisit that in the final season
@@jessecollins9838 Yeah I think that was my favourite sound from the whole show. It was like a hole being ripped in the universe.
Sparks of gratitude! Thank you!💥💥💥
Thank you for your generosity!
Adam, I just wanted to comment here and I know you probably have tons of comments and obviously tons of viewers. Anyway, back on track, I just wanted to personally say thank you for being mine and my family’s entertainment every Sunday night before we go to bed for school Monday morning. MythBusters was the show that everyone actually sat down and watched because of all the crazy fun stuff you guys did.
One day if it would ever happen, I would love to meet you and personally shake your hand, and say thank you for all the work you’ve done on that show. You have an amazing mind and an outstanding collection of stuff behind you, which, I still have my jaw dropped sometimes when your camera is on.
Explosion Episode Inflation Spiral is absolutely my next band name.
For me, the most memorable Mythbusters episode was the one where a hot water heater was launched like a rocket after having its safety features disabled. The slow-mo video of a residential hot water heater launching through a roof was incredible.
I use that video on a regular basis to explain to people why we test the safety controls on heating boilers.
A good friend at a government agency has turned down director of her department several times, upper management is a revolving door and you must have traits of a politician - the price you pay to be the boss.
This is the most accurate description of the entertainment industry as a whole, music, film, games that I've ever heard. People need to hear this stuff. Thank you for saying it in such a clear understandable way.
In the end it all exists to generate revenue.
The only reason people are even able to sustainably create, make art in our society as it exists is because (and only if) it generates cash.
Excusing crony vile capitalism under the excuse "but it allows art to exists"... Those boots truly don't lick themselves
You got a better way to provide 700 grand per episode?
@@juanperezmich See, I expected comments like this.
It is what it is. If you want to survive, and do what you want to do in life, you have to sacrifice.
The younger generation doesn't believe in sacrifice and it's a detriment to all of society worldwide.
@@expjames911 "the younger generation X and its a detriment to society" such a timeless quote said by generation after generation and yet society always grows. For sure it has its ups and downs, but the fall of Rome wasn't due to a younger generations lack in belief in sacrifice, yet I'm sure some Roman codger sure believed it
It's amazing how many famous wealthy people living in California espouse Keynesian nonsense while living like royalty after success in the capitalist system.
3:02 "But the only satisfaction we got out of that job was exploring our own creativity in executing that job".
Right. The ONLY satisfaction. Not the millions of dollars.
This does makes me think about that one rule about promotions I heard and that seems to show up everywhere.
People that are great at their job get a promotion, and they keep rising till they end up on a place that they don't really excel at. So no more promotion, the old job was a better fit for there skill but would be a step back. So many ride it out from there , on a place they don't really excel.
Another issue is that there is a big difference between being a technician (person on the ground doing the job) and being a manager (person in leadership doing administrative work). You might be perfect for the technical job, but the only promotion is to an administrative job for which you are woefully unqualified. End yet we do it anyways.
AKA The Peter Principle
MythBusters was never just about explosions or trying to top the last episode-it was about the unique chemistry between Adam and Jamie. Their dynamic-Adam's boundless enthusiasm and Jamie's stoic pragmatism-made the show unforgettable. The projects were cool, but what kept us coming back was watching these two work together, clash, and ultimately create something amazing. Their personalities made the show, and that often gets overlooked when people focus on the stunts or TV production pressures. It was authentic, entertaining, and one of a kind.
You always knew between the two of them, there was going to be no stone left unturned. Adam would approach the problem from one direction and Jamie would hit another completely different tangent.
As I see it, the biggest problem is the incentives that the show producers are being pressured by are so often pushing towards making what's seen as safe - what has worked before - rather than pushing more toward making more creative unique art.
It's what leads to sequels instead of new concepts.
"You can never game your culture ... your work either intersects with culture, or it doesn't." Man, I love that remark. Thanks Adam!
I really love that humans have the desire to constantly create art. Im glad you’re still out here even just to speak and give insight
You're talking about the executives reminded me of a saying which, I can't remember where I heard it and that is, you rise to your level of incompetence. That is very evident in the executive space.
Also known as the Peter Principle.
@@SaHaRaSquad thanks, I couldn't remember the name
Yes, but the part that people forget is that people who rise even close to the top were pretty darn competent at a lot of jobs for a long time.
And, people forget that for some lucky people, near the top is entry level for them.
@ Only if you inherit the business and that isn’t all that common.
There was a noticeable spike in the intensity of explosions around season 4 or so. The early seasons when it was just Jamie and Adam hosting each episode felt much more methodical and deliberate, as time went on it started to feel a little more jocular and the comedy started to feel forced after a while.
I can only imagine what kind of great shows we could have gotten if Discovery didn't spend the boatloads of cash on fake, scripted, and absolute garbage like "Fast and Loud, Amish Mafia, Mermaids - body found, Gold Rush, Street Outlaws, Naked & Afraid, Bush People, etc." The list of their brain-drain B.S. shows in the last few decades is embarrassing. Even more embarrassing is how many people think this broadcast diarrhea is real. This kind of "network decay" that also hit channels like History is why I rarely watch anything on "TV" anymore and instead turn to UA-cam and similar services to get inspiring, thinking, or intelligent content.
They recently gutted "MotorTrend TV" after years of paring down the good shows (Roadkill, Hot-Rod Garage, Engine Masters, Dirt Everyday) for garbage like "Kevin Hart's Muscle Cars" (one can only imagine how much more money Hart was paid in comparison to entire cast/crews of the better shows...) and axed basically the entire channel last month. Luckily many of the hosts have found a home and are doing well on UA-cam. They did the same with print media (magazines) after Discovery bought TEN (the enthusiast network) and axed 19 of 23 magazines and staff. This hit home for me - as I worked with quite a few editors / tech guys there as I was regularly featured in several magazines showing how to do particular tasks on projects.
The best part is when these people in charge talk about how they have to make despicably fake shows like "Amish Mafia" because no one watches the more factual, honest shows - yet you can peruse UA-cam and find great, honest and well produced content that has followings of millions and millions of people and rabid fanbases. I would be willing to be some of the more prevalent UA-cam channels have a larger viewership than some of the garbage Discovery is pushing these days.
They make the shows that people want to watch. It may not appeal to you or me, but they know their audience and they give them what they want.
You said alot:
1. Fast & Loud and Street Outlaws where not bad, not my jam but definitely entertaining if left on someone TV & background noise (I tend to rewatch How It's Made lol even when I try to have it in the background).
2. The good shows to you can be lumped into the shows mentioned above and that's me looking at random of most of them. Kevin Hart show never bothered me casue he has the money but him making a fool of himself makes for fun TV and he respects and admire the car culture so they can put up with his silliness for the exposure and I've found more then a few cool companies that I like because of that.
3. Print was going to die, having a cell/tablet is so much easier. That's said I'm a comic & whatever book fancy me person so I still like physical book & comics the later I'll keep a digital copy to keep reading on the go if I'm engrossed but I'll still read and understand why printing will go away enmasse
@@danielland3767 Fast and loud was scripted garbage. "Gas Monkey Garage" never existed before Discovery approached that Ed Hardy wannabe Rawlins. Everything about that shop / show was completely fabricated. Not only that - I have seen their "work" and it was quite poor. That is why that show is the laughing stock of people who actually build cars. When I worked in the industry, one of the shops I worked at was approached by Discovery to do a show. We all unanimously said "absolutely not" for several reasons.
Street Outlaws was only slightly better - as many of the racers are actually racers. The part that made it so stupid besides the fake drama - is the whole "illegal street race" image thing Discovery was so intent on pushing (even though anyone with 2 brain cells would know that there was nothing "illegal" about any of it, and it was on closed roads with safety/med crews standing by.... all organized, permitted, and orchestrated...) The worst part of Street Outlaws and it's "illegal street racing" fakeness was the amount of people that would watch the show and then were inspired to actually go illegal street race.
General print media is on the decline - but I am pretty sure Discovery's acquisition of TEN was to get the famous trademarks MotorTrend, Hot-Rod, etc. Right after they acquired TEN they renamed Velocity to MotorTrendTV (which they just shut down after ruining it.) Thankfully some of the host/writers/etc of the magazines / good shows have found a home on UA-cam (David F, Mike F, Tony D, etc.) I do subscribe to a few magazines - and they are niche automotive and photography magazines and they have adopted the high-quality materials/print and high quality content business model. Sure, they are more expensive - but it is successful and better reads.
Far as Kevin Hart goes - I won't ever consider him a representative of "car culture" over the who buffoonery when they crashed his SpeedCore 'cuda. Hart and the driver (hart's friend) both talked about Speedcore building an unsafe car (built to Hart's specs) and threatened to sue the shop. Hart backed off this real quick when the details of their stupidity came out (no one was wearing a seat belt, and there was a passenger in the rear despite the car not having seats back there.) After that he put forth a lot of effort saying it wasn't the shops fault - but I won't forget how he and the driver trash talked the shop at first and failed to take responsibility for their own actions.
Oh I remember when Discovery axed "Wings", as well as the games SF played with Firefly which is about when I stopped watching TV. I missed the last season of Mythbusters and the Battlestar Galactica reboot as a result.
@@GeneCash Missing the last season of the BSG reboot was lucky. By that point it was pretty apparent that they were making sh*t scripts up on the fly after snorting a few lines.
"Well that blowed up good."
"Blowed up real good."
I don't remember this quote, but to guess: Tory and Grant?
@woodfur00 John Candy and Joe Flaherty on SCTV with the Farm Film Report.
It was very refreshing to hear an artist, a creator talk about the money side of things in a very down to earth and realistic way. I would never have gotten to see MythBusters if it was not for the commerce of arts and entertainment. 'Leonardo had patrons' was a great line. Hope you are doing well and thanks for what I have learned from you and the rest of MythBusters.
Adam it’s well worth being a paying member of tested!
This is true everywhere, not just in TV and entertainment. Even if you have the same broader goal of, say, make B company successful, each person is going to do so within the context of what they can control. Different hierarchy, different organizations, different teams, all have different goals and motivations. Furthermore, the tools they have at hand are also going to differ.
I think my favorite episodes were always the ones about "controlled" explosions. Like the boiler. I didn't want it big, I wanted it complex and outlandish.
How can this fail? Was more interesting than how big of a boom can this make
Everyone time someone tells me about their job, regardless of what it is, I've found it an eye-opening experience.
Learning how the sausage is made, so to speak, is one of the most invaluable bits of insight a person can have. It doesn't means a system isn't flawed, just that there are very good reasons why things are the way they are.
Adam also agrees with you, he calls the solutions and tricks he learns from others talking about their work "institutional knowledge".
I like that analogy, that art and commerce is a marriage.
As a frontend developer that's built the frontend interfaces of Shopify e-commerce stores, I've seen that intertwined but contentious relationship between art and commerce first hand.
Out of all the explosions on the show my favorite was the train oil tanker implosion.
I don't think networks executives are stupid, but I think the Pieter principle is present, as it is in all businesses and walks of life. Take someone who is really good, the best in the world at producing a show, they can do it amazingly. If they get promoted into a higher position, what I imagine can happen is while they're good, brilliant at producing a show, they are not necessarily as talented when it comes to other elements of what it means to be a network executive and the decisions they make can end up look ill advised on occasion.
I definitely tired of the explosions. Glad someone asks this.
And I remember the time they pointlessly shot up a very nice vintage Imperial. Pure stupidity.
The best moments of the show were when the techno wave song goes on as we get a detailed explanation of the mathematics and engineering behind a solution to test the myths!
Often engineers think they are distinct from artists, but I worked with a TV director who would regularly say that engineers *are* artists. Every day our engineering requires creativity and elegance in engineering design is an art form.
boss - 'you have to fire someone next quarter, who do you have in mind'
YOU.
I’m sure it was a ‘blast’ so I could see wanting more 😂 you Jamie and co. were like kids on Christmas Day, and we vicariously enjoyed those big booms.
Myth Busters was the best show on television. Great job guys. Thank you 😊
Thank you, Adam, for your truthful rant.
Id reject the premise. The Mixer truck was quite early, and they never got bigger than that.
Enjoyed this snippet. Thanx 💙🌻💙
I don't always agree with your perspectives, but you always make me think. For that, I admire you.
Merry Christmas to you and your family. May your troubles be less and your blessings be more and nothing but happiness come through your door. 😊
I remember hearing Ronald D. Moore, the producer on Battlestar Galactica, talking about getting notes from the network. He said that often the notes were good ones. His biggest problem was that he was trying to execute the show, and there's not always an ability to read and incorporate everything a showrunner gets.
Ron Moore had previously been Ira Behr's right-hand man on Star Trek Deep Space Nine, and both Moore and Behr have talked about the indirect benefit they got from not being the flagship show at any point during their run-first they were "that other show" to TNG and then later to Voyager.
This is one of the unsung reasons DS9 has such a passionate fanbase that will insist (and I am one of these people) that it is some of the best television-not just Star Trek, not just science fiction, but television full stop-ever shown on a screen.
I have been rewatching all the Mythbusters episodes again so far the Hindenburg one is my favourite if you filmed it in black-and-white when it was burning your model looked just like the original film clip. I think Adam even said it was his favourite small scale reenactment I wish you could do a get together video again. 🇦🇺👍
Adam touched only briefly on the fact that there are *two* potential risk factors for an “explosion episode inflation spiral”:
1. The network
2. The Mythbusters (they love explosions!)
Adam, you speak as an artist first. Love that
3:19 I don't think it is unreasonable to want escalating explosiions. If you watch them out of order, there is a danger of thinking an explosion "isn't that big" because it isn't as big as a previous explosion. But if you watch them smallest to largest, each explosion is the most dangerous thing you've ever seen which is exactly how you should think about explosions.
This was an excellent video of ..... "here it is".... thanks for your candor.
Great insider explainer of the tension between art and commerce!
So basically the TV networks priority is not to make entertainment but just to make as much profit as possible instead!
Do they operate under The Ferengi Rules of Aquisition?
AKA capitalism ? Yes, yes they do.
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Very good analogy for the real word for science fiction!
All big businesses operate under the Rules of Acquisition. If you forget this you get your health and life ruined by someone climbing over you. Because: "Employees are the rungs on the ladder to success. Never hesitate to step on them."
Television networks and movie studios have always been up there to make money. They are businesses, just like any other one. Where do you think all of the money in order to make these productions comes from? Let’s not be ignorant and pretend like this is a new thing
Great video sir 😊
I would like to see a micro explosion! Maybe something under a specialized microscope and the order of a few hundred molecules or something like that. Maybe with slow motion. However i don't think this exists.
You'd need a particle accelerator for that. Or a nuclear plant.
@@writerpatrick All you need is something that vibrates, water and a close-up slo-mo camera. The vibration creates cavitation in the water (turning a tiny amount into a gas bubble, which then implodes). I believe there is a video or two showing similar stuff on the SloMo guys' channel.
Sounds like a collab between "Journey to the Microcosmos", Nile Red, and Slow Mo Guys.
Adam, my most favorite epsiode where you blew stuff up, was one the one with the cement mixer. You laughed so hard it when it blew up I just had to laugh too!
I really hate/ love when I get caught up reading comments that I have to skip back on the video
For me one of the things, that makes Mythbusters great was. When they have done the experiment . They will see how far they could take this. I think that is just the kid living in us.
I feel like there's a valid argument here to say that the executives aren't stupid, but make stupid decisions. That said, their decisions are stupid in the "a fish is stupid if you judge it on its ability to climb a tree" sense. The approach taken by the executives in any market is at odds with the approach taken by people making the product or content they're selling. One side is focused on a very different set of goals from the other.
Should do a compilation of mythbusters questions in a long episode
I always see your shirt as saying "FAFF" 🤣
While it's true we'll never separate art from commerce, it doesn't have to be made under a capitalist economic model. Humans have been producing art since before we were human, and all artists throughout history have needed community support to have the time and resources to make their art, but the psychotic drive to extract maximum value from work has not been a constant through that time. It is a very, very new thing, and I hope - from the perspective of human history - it is a flash in the pan.
When I think back on the episodes that stuck with me most as a kid, almost none of them involved explosions.
I'm guessing that most Mythbusters fans who have followed Adam here to Tested were not about the big booms, but more about the people and the ideas. Tom Scott's videos without Tom Scott would be hollow. Dude Perfect without Cody, Cory, Ty, Coby and Garrett would seem empty. Mark Rober's squirrel challenges are neat, but they are a lot more because of who Mark is. And same for Destin, Cleo, Gav & Dan, Dianna Cowern (well wishes for her ongoing recovery!), How Ridiculous, etc. The initial ideas bring people, but it's always the quality of the creators themselves that I think people really stay for. Which is why I will watch entire videos from Adam that are on topics sometimes that don't really interest me, because I know Adam will bring the interest or thoughtfulness that will make my watching feel worthwhile. He inspires my interest in topics that hadn't previously interested me at all -- often solely due to the authenticity of his investment and passion for an idea. 100% respect.
Lookin great Adam!!
I'm completely flabbergasted at how well Adam can explain any subject and bring his experience and give a balanced and well thought opinion. This is why I watch you since the day of the TED talk about the Dodo.
Regarding executives, from what I've seen in IT, they are definitely not idiots, they are extremely smart and intelligent, but have different priorities, and usually is how to make the most money all the the time
I remember being amongst my friends mildly complaining about mythbusters blowing everything up especially if the myth didn't pan out.
When it comes to explosions i dont any can beat the "Reliant Robin Shuttle" explosion...
We need an part 2 with the actual answer :)
hey Adam,,
I posted once here yesterday about an idea.. A simpler way to think of it is like taking a car tire and inflating it when off the bead with a spray of starter fluid inside the tire and then throwing a match inside it causing it to be inflated quickly.
Say the bead was held close to the rim so minimal gas escaped, and it was insulated thermally around the rubber tire (and its a steel belted tire which is awesome btw but its flexability works against this sortof lest its insulated well....)
and say once the pressure in it got low enough the bead poped off the rim allowoing it to exchange gases..
So the quuestion is,, Since it would trap al that pressure and heat better than an ICE engine and if it powered a air piston in ideal conditions,, wouldnt it be More effceint than a ICE engine?? like.. with a pack of four alternating exploding tires one could power a small generator better than if using a gas engine. The gas being exhausted could be Substainally cooler from pressure changes..
Idk.. could you try this??
No, because it would take a long time to "unexplode" a tire. It takes forever and a lot of work to break the bead. "once the pressure in it got low enough the bead popped off the rim allowing it to exchange gases.." does NOT happen. That bead is ON there.
My boss offered me a promotion for years and I always declined because I didn't want to deal with corporate politics.
I was thinking that, it was obviously a very expensive show. Though speaking of Mythbusters, who are these two who are doing it now?
I've only seen that this week and I've really enjoyed their version.
The business model for broadcast entertainment is changing drastically. Networks are imploding, AI is on the verge of radically altering content production, it is about be very different from what we have known.
The chasm between art and entertainment is that entertainment is a compromise, often between money and vision, whereas art is uncompromising vision, period. When art starts to compromise for the sake of views, or money, or to avoid pissing people off, it stops being art, and becomes entertainment. Artists can do both art and entertainment, but not simultenously. The whole concept or art loses it's meaning when it stops being about self-expression, and starts being self-expression, except with a part of that "self" or of the "expression" getting changed or removed to please network executives or whoever it is.
Hollywood movies, as an example, cannot be art, and never have been art, because Hollywood movies are built from countless compromises, with the script, the runtime, the actors, the acting, the shots, the lights, the effects and so on. Same obviously goes for TV shows.
This is one of the places I wish there was a "love" button rather than like.
I am grateful for the way Mythbusters was produced. While the investment financially into the show was obvious....it was never produced in such a way that shouted *LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WE SPEND TO ENTERTAIN YOU*
Honestly it felt like what I know see as a youtube show. Bare bones and highly entertaining with a healthy dose of informative learning. One of the best shows imho ever produced.
“Ah… X amount.” - Navin Johnson 😂
A near million per episode is insane, but I think it all makes sense now
I'm going to bed and I don't want to think about putting contacts in tomorrow because it's a mild inconvenience
Yes, businesses exist not to provide jobs, but to provide a return on investment to the shareholders. I fully understand that.
"Art is explosion!" - Tarō Okamoto
I’d love to know more about the cannonball one
Too much emphasis on explosions? Literally impossible!
Media went from "Mass Media" to "Media Fragmentation." In the 80s my video production instructor said, the show is to fill the time and keep the audience till the next commercial.
I think Discovery and the fans took Jamie's throwaway line, "Jamie want big boom" waaaaaay too seriously.
Why is it that Adam can explain such a social foundation of economics in a few minutes whilst it took my professor a month?
Interesting 😊
Was the executives chasing you at the end lol
I think you're correct about not being able to do Mythubsters on UA-cam. But how about publishing on Amazon Prime? I am pretty sure Amazon would pay good money per episode to bring in more users. I know this is most likely just a hypothetical, I doubt you want to throw yourself in that vortex of work at this point in your life, but I just wanted to suggest that as a thought experiment or maybe a suggestion for something smaller and not so demanding.
Just makes me think of the funding it must have taken to make the grand tour.
“All the news that fits, we’ll print.”
But the explosion spiral did sadly occur. I loved the earlier seasons with their focus on the build process. the science and the story behind the myth. In later seasons they seemed to always want to cut as quickly as possible to the chase. just focusing on the process of creating ever larger explosions.
That is actually a little funny to hear. I think it was the 3rd rocket car episode when I completely noped out of the show. For me the show had jumped the shark and was no longer the show I had fallen in love with earlier.
There is a subset of fans of any given piece of media that prefers cerebral, intelligent content to performative spectacle. Some properties have higher proportions of that subset than others.
But in general, the overwhelming majority of typical media consumers, especially in the United States, skew toward the spectacle. Executives, whose sole interest is "the ratings", know this. Adam knows this, as he states in nearly as many words in this video. And it means that intelligence must inevitably yield the floor to mouth-breathing.
The only question becomes how quickly this happens.
Did you put them lights up yet, shore i seen one,
This episode reminded me of the absolutely forgettable TV show, "Smash Lab," which seemed to have been born from someone realizing that Mythbusters fans loved explosions and crashes.
“We are making art” Goes to the dollar store and buys a rain jacket and runs across a parking lot. That will be $750,000 thank you very much.
Marketing 101: get, keep, grow. However, none of those are infinite and are all subject to oversaturation. And thus the bell curve growth and eventual degradation of all trends, be they fashion, entertainment, or anything else.
Who knew barbequing with C4 required a permit...
The channel How Ridiculous does a pretty good job although they are not debunking myths.
Network executives aren't idiots, their morives are just different, to the point of making them look stupid and oftentimes actually act stupid.
Thats amazing
Do I see a model of the Wright Flyer behind your right shoulder?
There is no art more genuine than that created by the artist that has no motive other than attempting to realise a vision in his mind that demands to be expressed. Everything else is just pay for play.