One of the main issues I have with E!Ike is that he isn't just a tank; he's a nuke as well. Not only does he take no damage* from 'standard' units (*after healing); due to his low speed, he will often get [at least] doubled and thus Great Aether will deal damage equal to 60+% of his attack. A +0, neutral E!Ike will get ~44 damage from Great Aether, with an additional 9+ true and no % damage reduction due to Laguz Friend 4. And this will happen in *both* phases too, since he will make player phase into enemy phase if you can counter and don't have Hardy Bearing. He is just *way* overtuned, much like many of the 'solution units' that IS has put out.
I prefer nukes being stronger because when tanks are too strong, they're potentially unkillable. From a player's perspective, if you do not have have the means to kill a certain tank, you just lose because you cannot kill at least one enemy on the map. At least with nukes, usually they have at least one weakness that's easy to exploit, such as attacking them outside of their range
@@Plasticsoldier64Even with that, he has true damage reduction, so not only is it possible he takes 0 damage, it could be as far as 55 damage being reduced to 0, including support.
YRobin is incredible against EIke. I gave Occultist's Strike to mine too, but I kept Inf. NFU4 on her so that I could set up a reliable rally trap (with Safy support to ward off Mila). Six Ikes attacked my defense this week and Robin annihilated all of them.
I prefer tanks to have the upper hand over nukes. The issue with ike is not that he tanks everything, its that he also nukes everything on top of that. He's blurred the line between tank and nuke and he does both far too well.
this. Having to play AR throughout an offensive meta is partially (if not directly) the reason why I started using all three auto-dispatches I get the points against a defense meta but it's much more easier to strategize against tank ball defenses compared to some of the scummier cav line setups that just straight up tells you can't even turn 1 without losing 1-2 units
@@FEH havent seen yet, i didnt try anything with hel this week. I've seen a lot of superboss emblem ike with 6 mythics tho hahaha My strategy was using spring sylvain to get in the backline with Pass after rallying. But I can totally see Hel doing this with her teleport
@@FEH My Hel did that a few times. She'd attack E!Ike, survive because of her Miracle effect, and get danced so that she could attack other units. And then fail to get kills on such defensive monsters as . . . Peony. My Hel is terrible.
I love what EIke brought to the tanking scene. LF and his ring fixes so many things that were making tanking almost impossible to pull off. I’ve been having so much fun with trying to tank the current meta teams with my old invested infantry tanks (Gotoh, NYAskr, BDimitri, LCorrin, SFjorm, and I’m tempted to give it to SYmir and Lumera too… and Rhea and LGuin, and Mozu if I get her, and the new YLissa. The possibilities are endless!!!) that I haven’t been paying attention to EIke. I feel like the second comming of Save skills, where I find myself willing to try modes that I had no joy playing before (AR-D with saves, and SD with LF). Remember when you said infantry Attuned/Rearmed units weren’t that great because “how many omnitanks do you need”? Guess what? A lot!!! And I plan to use them all on SDS. So many options only 4 teams though… I disagree with your assesment of EIke’s impact in SD though. Losing to tanks might be frustrating, but VLyon is way worse. There’s nothing more toxic in a PvP mode than not being able to take a turn.
I typically prefer tanks to have the power advantage - since that tends to give the advantage to players (and not the AI). Plus, normally tanks are easy to deal with if you enemy phase them with someone...Ike isn't. I'm running player phase strats in AR at the moment (espcially since I don't have any of the new/good tanks). But now I really struggle to have any units that can deal with Ike - unless I can swipe him with two AoEs in one go.
I haven’t watched the video in full, so you might have already mentioned it, HOWEVER, I have a great method of taking care of E!Ike using stuff in codes! 1: Use a Lance unit (preferably infantry, but this can work with armored flyer and Calvary) 2: get Arcane Lúin (divine codes) 3: get Life and Death 3 or 4 (or Flared Sparrow, but Life and Death is preferable), (can also be still water or the Atk def variant) 4: have a C skill that boosts your visible Atk 5: get Blazing Wind 6: (to charge blazing wind, if you’re infantry, run someone with infantry pulse or the like. If you’re not infantry, a free to play option is running Sothe’s refined dagger, and keeping that unit with Blazing Wind close to Sothe when he attacks. After combat (if Sothe survives), his refined weapon should give you -1 cooldown. This helps if you can’t get your special charged quickly) 7: AoE emblem Ike, and using your true speed, kill him!
@@lanelincoln3843 In a sense. At that point, you need to find a way to take out Lumera and Gotoh before attacking Emblem Ike. My advice is find a way to inflict gravity. That or use Duo Thorr's button. AoE is the only free to play version, and Gotoh is so niche that, unless is everyone decides to be an arse, we should be fine.
adding to this, you can also give another unit savage blow to help chip ike's hp(give it to the sothe if you use him), I personally use the recent valentine's axe(i forgot the name) + aoe + savage blow on his abyssal map
im a big fan of nukes having presence and a meta around them. like when legendary julia and alm, and fallen female corrin came to the game. i also like tanks who sit there and annoy your units like year 1 hector and surtr at his release. but what I can't stand is when nukes have range and shred your tanks. it's no longer a matter of working around a unit. it's about figuring out how to keep units out of danger or making a sacrifice to trade units. I love ike because he's not unkillable and it's not only aoes that kill him. you can inflict sabotage and penalty doubler, you can stack treachery and dual strike, you can precharge both aoe and non aoe specials to get that damage output necessary to take him out. also getting rid of ikes support is very important. the game has become a lot like it was in year 1 which is crazy to believe but it's right. before we were using stat bonuses to get the advantage, now it's status bonuses that change the tides of battle and they interact so cool with each other. After coming back from a small hiatus i gotta say, this is the most fun I've had in feh since the release of surtr.
At 6:12, it's a dejavu for me because someone has the same kinda layout that does crazy things. I mean, I lost due to its unpredictability and added the player and accepted me. I mock match the defense and took me probably 10+ tries get the win. The player used N!Igrene but the principles remain the same - rally shenanigan's. With regards to the intro and as an omnitank biased fan, let's go with tanks. 😃
@@FEH For story mode, it's black knight because, it's black knight 😅 But for AR, I'm using Emblem Ike but with Fatal Smoke. The reason for this is defense nowadays contain 1-2 Emblem Ike's and A!Caeda just don't quit cut it even with color advantage, which is actually nuts. Also, at least I won't have difficulty in dealing with Miracle and Healing insanities, so, that's that. N!Igrene and Y!F!Robin is annoying though 😅
I honestly wished I got a copy of Emblem Ike because he tanks everything and kills everything. It's been a while since we had a unit who can do both so well. It's like trying to stop Shaq during his prime.
I'm really glad that I summoned a V!Selena for her weapon. I made a R!Ophelia with it and an AoE to deal with W!Byleth and other Far Saviours but it's working wonders against E!Ike even when he's paired with Gotoh. Getting hit with so much pre combat dmg that can't be healed thanks to Fatal Smoke 3 (4 isn't really necessary) will leave Ike much more vulnerable to other nukes.
High nuking unit with lethalithy/dead eye + brash assualt4 + heardy bearing + mircale support and with the new jorge refine support helps me kill Emblem ike on defense.
16:02 as someone who invested in b!dimitri recently at +2 with laguz friend 4, and then got really lucky at finishing the +10 dimitri project in his recent weekly revival banner… i put him in binding worlds for someone who wanted him with that build because it definitely was a lot of investment for me. im so happy he was my first +10 5 star unit and he is great. my build on him is godlike reflexes (with marth engage), atk/spd finish 4, laguz friend 4, panic smoke 4, and guard echo.+spd and +def boons.
my current AR-D this chaos season is Hinoka and Cam both with Miracle (since hinoka gives Blade affect) and it has certainly been fun seeing Ike teams get trolled since his Fatal Smoke 4 set is so rare. Another mainstay on my AR-Ds lately has been A!Eir who has aged like wine because she not only survived and could be danced to run by Byleth but now Ike too.
Would using Laguz Friend + Surprise Breath over Counter Roar + New-Sun Stone on Kana be worth it (with emblem marth's skill)? The battles sims seem to be better against E!Ike matchup so curious what you think.
I prefer nukes being good units. I want people to play the game, and I don't think tanking is fun. Yes, I (omni-)tank in Arena, but I'm getting tired by the fact that 90% of my AR-D replays are people putting a unit up in front and just watching if it dies or not. Please just Galeforce me, destroy my defense by some fun play. But as long as you are just gonna try to tank me I'll try to put up the most toxic meta-nukes in my possession. Or use a unit that I'd be hella impressed by that they can tank all that. But this season 90% of the time it was Winter Byleth or Ike. One player attempted a player phase strat, they repo'd Duo Lyon and Duo Sanaki over the mountains with Brave Gullveig, had two dancers, but just didn't make it all the way because they had too little actions left at the end. I was rooting for them though, please be creative.
Bonus Doubler on Brave Dimitri is actually a great idea, I've been wondering what to do with his A slot. I've got pretty much the same build aside from that
I just got my B!Dimitri to +10 finally, I'm rejoicing! 🤩 it's just a bummer that if I fodder my E!Ike to him I will no longer be able to engage B!Dimitri for more DR, but Laguz friend is worth it
I've been playing summoner duels a lot in the past week, and while I think beating Ike directly is possible if you have the unit for it, generally speaking, at least in my experience, fighting Ike directly isn't an option, your best bet is hitting him with non-direct AOE hits and from there either killing him outright if possible, or tanking with someone like A!Caeda. That's worked for me so far, but I am checkmated very easily by someone who knows to just isolate Ike. I do hear from a friend that L!Lilina is really good against him in particular...
I've got the resources, but taking time to make a new defense is the hardest part😢 I fought a team with a guy running light season mythics on his defense with Laguz friend just to stack a lot of bulk. I still managed to barely win... with Ike.... but almost lost on turns...
I admit i prefer having stupid nukes that reach 99+ with base kit rather than a tank that take nothing, The thing that made Lyon a chore was the No action effect, without that it would just be another high damage nuke, yet you can punish and kill the unit if there is an opening, Meanwhile a tank like Ike just take 0x4 and can't even be countered from being played recklesly
End turn and win is definitely a bit boring. Lately it seems like the meta completely changes every couple of months, so Ike’s hard counter should be coming soon.
My Maxed out Midori with Deadeye, C Bonus Doubler, Laguz, Def res pledge, hardy bearing, Guard Echo and E. IKE Engage. is just Unkilable tbh. Can't believe a very suitable B skill would be introduced just after her refine. Can't use Null C though... which is a pity.
That’s mine! The build is a balance between player and enemy phase. You can do flashing blade in the seal, and just about any speed based A skill player phase builds. For enemy phase, there are a lot of supportive B’s and the A is perfect.
"Oh an Ike on this ARD, should I fight it with my powerful highly invested blue attuned unit who is less than a month old?" "No she fucking dies horribly just use your own Ike lol"
Catria/Cordelia balls became a non issue to me once they release the Divine Codes 5 manuals and I was able to get that Heather manual, for Ruse 4. Now on light seasons I have Lumera with Ruse 4, and in Astra I have Heidr.
I said on reddit but i wanna repit here, the fact that IS is releasing banner after banner of units that can hit the +30 in their stats for the mere fact of breath is just rediculous, with E!Ike the thing goes even beyond, like men; the game was suffering a lot of problems because player phase units were getting too many tools to use and enemy phase was like, if you doesn´t have a strategy behind the unit itself and the support you gave it then you most probably will get cooked in the first combats But bru... The thing with tanking units is resist the threat that player phase does through the fewer effects that those units have, and the key part is, anybody can´t have everything in their kits, in the E!Ike is just absurd the things you gonna to consider in order to beat him. Literaly the only consistent way to deal with him is with AoE and in some cases with enough flared stack up damage, but even so if the hit that is suppouse to kill gets 0´d then you are screwed. And that Skill is straigh up a separeted weapon, you aren´t telling me that now every skill is getting 3 paragraphs of text that negates DR in active and defensive specials, accelerates the cooldonw in enemy phase by flat 2, gives Flat DR and True damge based on the def or res. That sounds like a skill made by a kinder garden kid that says he is goku and resist everything and beats everything, it simply doesn´t have sense that the special and that INHERIT B skill can wreck the entire cast of feh, and then again he have all the tools a tanks wants but times 10: negates penalties (you are unable to reduce his Flats DR effects), negates the sweep effets (nobody can engage safety), has like 2-3 types of DR in his special an the B skill, if you don´t use hardy bearing then every time is enemy phase, has overhealing and counter habilities. Myrh and the Byleths are nearly perfect tanks, but has exploitable flaws, besides Ike that the only weakness that has is AoE and his combo with Gotoh make him nearly impposible to kill. (Excuse the testament is just that I really hate the form that IS is making Units nowdays that every two weeks breaks the meta, now a funny counter to make up for) When I play the Abysal map of this monster I, like everyone that wants to preservate his sanity in check. use AoE Lyon to beat him, I ok thats a counter... But I wanted to experiment a little and then (for once i a year) try to create a specific duo to beat the meta out of him. And for some reason think in brash assault 4 for the counter damage that gives, but ok how I manage to land the counter if Ike lets you hit firts, Hardy bearing, ok but how you garantice that your unit survives to that great eather?, miracle. and with that I use my summer Shamir to make use of that BA4 and then with Ymir I can survive a hit and retaliates with a fully charged dead eye. That works with the Hard and Infernal E!Ike with the abysall I have to give Shamir the Treason effect to gain enough damage. But yea that is the only funny thing that I can say from the release pf this tank; but again, those are two seasonal units and one of them used only for the drive miracke effect, BA4 can be given to many excellent units but is a very, very, very stricty niche to take out Ike.
IS started this with V!Lyon! 😂 I'm glad I could get Emblem Ike, I hope I can get another soon! Question: I have you L!M!Alear. Do you think he can help against him (E!Ike) in Chaos season?
As long as L!M!Alear wins the Scowl Res check against Emblem Ike and the Ike doesn’t have rally spectrum support, he can reliably go toe-to-toe quite well with him. Without Ike being able to trigger Great Aether, he struggles to kill Alear since he has pretty solid stats overall
Joel, I have a ton of respect for you, but this is the second video in which you mention Y!F! Robin as an "Ike Counter" without mentioning that Hush Spectrum can be countered by bringing your own Rally Spectrum, and it feels like a big omission considering that it is a skill that has very high availability, and is super easy to fit in AR-O since Ike doesn't really NEED any other (blessable) support whatsoever. The ones you'd want to bring (Lumera/Gotoh/Veyle) are mythics, so you bring those for free (unless you don't have them merged as part of your core, in which case you can make multiple teams and use the one support slot depending on what you need). I do agree that traps (any combination of rally/guidance/restore/healing/dancer) are the best, because the easiest way to beat Ike as the defender is to go after his team, bypassing Ike himself as much as you can enable yourself to, though you can still do that with cavlines if you throw in some shenanigans to threaten more lanes (a simple dancer/guidance trap can enable an extra lane very easily).
I’ve gotten a couple questions in this and vein. I think the problem might be in my wording. Robin offers counterplay. She and hush spectrum are not necessarily a counter. I’ll adjust that for next time.
@@FEH That's perfectly fine. I'm not trying to harp on it, it's just that the whole "they released a counter for Ike before his bonus season" horse has been beaten to death and someone with a voice that people will listen to (like yours) could help them understand that they really didn't, and that they shouldn't rely just on that. But I did see you guys mentioned it in the latest podcast with DTM and Oblivion so that's something. If I can leave you with an extra bit of a suggestion, it's about Fatal Smoke. Fatal Smoke by itself is not a solution. This is another misconception that people throw around that needs to be dispelled. If you put Yunaka on a team with Lyon and Sanaki, all threatening the same tile, that Yunaka is not gonna be high enough on the AI priority to even matter. Fatal Smoke needs to go on either every nuke, or on the best nuke (the latter requiring you to have something strong enough to kill on the second combat), otherwise it doesn't really do much. You'd think I'd be happy about it, but I hate this unit... It's the worst thing (for the game) I've seen in the last year, IMHO.
(based on mainly AR and arena, I don't do SD) I'm personally mixed on the debate because tanks with a clear weakness you can generally work around (eg with saves, take out their support, force them to hit you, etc); Cav nukes/ Duo Igrene are just obnoxious to figure out safe player phase set ups and you generally can't tank them. That said, I don't think we've had a unit as infuriating as Emblem Ike (even fallen Edelgard had a lot of weaknesses on release that F2P had easy options to use). He's the biggest arena run ender for me rn (vs nukes that you can usually plan around or the older omni tanks), and in AA where you can have to repeatedly face him, it just gets extremely unfun.
How do I survive Emblem Ike: “See that’s neat thing you don’t”😂 I’ve been a tank player since day one and while it’s nice to see them rising up again even I have to admit Ike is stupid. I’ve been forced into stale mate so many times cause it’s just your Ike vs their Ike. What were they smoking when they made thid character I’m genuinely worried for this game’s future.😰
Tanks incentivize slow and boring gameplay, and are mostly preferred by lazy cheapos, like the ones that saturated the failed replays this week with their crappy Ikes and end turning. We all remember a couple of years ago how slow, boring and repetitive it was when everything revolved around save armors... I really hope this year they do not go back to that meta, releasing an emblem Ike every month... Its infuriating to be put against an impossible to kill unit and then penalized for not being able to defeat it, specially in arena where you need to make the most possibly dysfunctional team to score...
It definitely feels reminiscent of the B!Hector meta when saves first came out. Let’s all take a deep breath and hope IS has some chill. It could happen right?
I don't want to sound cocky or anything but Emblem Ike changed nothing to me. I one-shoted every single Emblem Ike I've come across with Legendary F!Shez. Not talking about one-rounding. A single Lethality and he is dead.
I really don't agree with the notion that A!Caeda fell off after a short while after her release. She's an easy E!Ike counter when you give her Hardy Bearing seal, and with enough good support, she can outres him
I still think X!Caeda is a great unit! One of the ways I measure a units value is how many areas you can them in. The fact that she’s good AND can be used as a fodder factory gives her a ton of value. As far as her omnitank ranking, right now I use three units to test tanks: Desert Igrene, Duo Sanaki, & Duo Lyon. Most of them lose to Desert Igrene without outer support like Gotoh. Sanaki has become setup dependent, and most good tanks can handle her. The final challenge is Lyon with iceberg and quickened pulse. The top 2 tiers can handle that specific build. Tier 3 can’t. You can still play around him and not everyone knows about the build. Keep on using her. She’s a great unit!
@FEH Funny thing is I managed to make her outres Duo Lyon by keeping her standard kit and supporting her with drive res seal duo Askr. The burn damage was big, but Lyon ended up doing 0 damage before dying
Was this why i had a horrible time trying to get him? That fucking Legendary/Emblem banner is the worst. Yes I'm probably not the only one who got cheated out of getting him because of bait banner. Shame on me for wanting him i guess. That fucking banner finally soured me against the entirety of FEH and how IS handles the game. By the time i finally get him, he'll be rendered unusable by future powercreep like L!Ike was.
Game is just dumb and unbalanced. Been day one player and this is the biggest powercreep I've seen so far in my years. I dont think its healthy having these units (like how is it fair to take +40dmg from Lyon before combat). This Ike is a answer to the nukes , but hes so strong its ridiculous because hes not just a tank, hes a nuke as well lol. But thats just how far we've gotten and its not as fun as it use to be :/
E! Ike is the most broken shit ever and im sooooo close to just deinstall the game because of him. I have barely anything which can handle him. My most invested units are not even scratching him. Engage Heroes are a huge mistake in my view. Such a cruel move right after AHR again. They do this every year... Suggesting people to spend on binding world is weird in my view. Its so heavily overpriced. People are crazy and give tooo much money this cruel company. So please don´t advice such things...
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One of the main issues I have with E!Ike is that he isn't just a tank; he's a nuke as well. Not only does he take no damage* from 'standard' units (*after healing); due to his low speed, he will often get [at least] doubled and thus Great Aether will deal damage equal to 60+% of his attack. A +0, neutral E!Ike will get ~44 damage from Great Aether, with an additional 9+ true and no % damage reduction due to Laguz Friend 4. And this will happen in *both* phases too, since he will make player phase into enemy phase if you can counter and don't have Hardy Bearing.
He is just *way* overtuned, much like many of the 'solution units' that IS has put out.
This might be the most overtuned hero we’ve had in a while. It feels like the “solutions” are accelerating lately.
I was honestly shocked to not see Hardy Bearing making a rise considering how good it is against Emblem Ike. Thanks for another great Meta Report doc!
Tanks got the high ground currently on the meta, just because they are also secondary nukes that blow you up on the counter.
The fact that Ike one shots so many things is ridiculous.
Also, love your SD templates. You make some great teams.
I prefer nukes being stronger because when tanks are too strong, they're potentially unkillable. From a player's perspective, if you do not have have the means to kill a certain tank, you just lose because you cannot kill at least one enemy on the map. At least with nukes, usually they have at least one weakness that's easy to exploit, such as attacking them outside of their range
I needed this meta report like I need water, don’t give tanks this level of power ever again 💀
But they still instantly go down to pre combat damage. Why worry? If anything we need a meta where not everything instantly dies.
@@Plasticsoldier64Even with that, he has true damage reduction, so not only is it possible he takes 0 damage, it could be as far as 55 damage being reduced to 0, including support.
While possible, V!Lyon still usually does damage since he has significant true damage to counter true DR.
You are such a cheerleader for the entire community. Thank you for your comments and your content. 😊
YRobin is incredible against EIke. I gave Occultist's Strike to mine too, but I kept Inf. NFU4 on her so that I could set up a reliable rally trap (with Safy support to ward off Mila). Six Ikes attacked my defense this week and Robin annihilated all of them.
Congrats on the defeated Ike’s! You’ve vanquished the dragon.
I prefer tanks to have the upper hand over nukes.
The issue with ike is not that he tanks everything, its that he also nukes everything on top of that. He's blurred the line between tank and nuke and he does both far too well.
this. Having to play AR throughout an offensive meta is partially (if not directly) the reason why I started using all three auto-dispatches
I get the points against a defense meta but it's much more easier to strategize against tank ball defenses compared to some of the scummier cav line setups that just straight up tells you can't even turn 1 without losing 1-2 units
my solution was rally trap with pass and going through ike
it's silly, but works
Did you see the Hel defenses that were running around? It’s exactly what you’re talking about, but her bonus season gave her some extra bulk.
@@FEH havent seen yet, i didnt try anything with hel this week. I've seen a lot of superboss emblem ike with 6 mythics tho hahaha
My strategy was using spring sylvain to get in the backline with Pass after rallying. But I can totally see Hel doing this with her teleport
@@FEH My Hel did that a few times. She'd attack E!Ike, survive because of her Miracle effect, and get danced so that she could attack other units. And then fail to get kills on such defensive monsters as . . . Peony. My Hel is terrible.
Duo chrom replaced by duo robin... Nothing changed after all😅😅😅
The more things change…
I love what EIke brought to the tanking scene. LF and his ring fixes so many things that were making tanking almost impossible to pull off. I’ve been having so much fun with trying to tank the current meta teams with my old invested infantry tanks (Gotoh, NYAskr, BDimitri, LCorrin, SFjorm, and I’m tempted to give it to SYmir and Lumera too… and Rhea and LGuin, and Mozu if I get her, and the new YLissa. The possibilities are endless!!!) that I haven’t been paying attention to EIke.
I feel like the second comming of Save skills, where I find myself willing to try modes that I had no joy playing before (AR-D with saves, and SD with LF).
Remember when you said infantry Attuned/Rearmed units weren’t that great because “how many omnitanks do you need”? Guess what? A lot!!! And I plan to use them all on SDS. So many options only 4 teams though…
I disagree with your assesment of EIke’s impact in SD though. Losing to tanks might be frustrating, but VLyon is way worse. There’s nothing more toxic in a PvP mode than not being able to take a turn.
I typically prefer tanks to have the power advantage - since that tends to give the advantage to players (and not the AI). Plus, normally tanks are easy to deal with if you enemy phase them with someone...Ike isn't.
I'm running player phase strats in AR at the moment (espcially since I don't have any of the new/good tanks). But now I really struggle to have any units that can deal with Ike - unless I can swipe him with two AoEs in one go.
I haven’t watched the video in full, so you might have already mentioned it, HOWEVER, I have a great method of taking care of E!Ike using stuff in codes!
1: Use a Lance unit (preferably infantry, but this can work with armored flyer and Calvary)
2: get Arcane Lúin (divine codes)
3: get Life and Death 3 or 4 (or Flared Sparrow, but Life and Death is preferable), (can also be still water or the Atk def variant)
4: have a C skill that boosts your visible Atk
5: get Blazing Wind
6: (to charge blazing wind, if you’re infantry, run someone with infantry pulse or the like. If you’re not infantry, a free to play option is running Sothe’s refined dagger, and keeping that unit with Blazing Wind close to Sothe when he attacks. After combat (if Sothe survives), his refined weapon should give you -1 cooldown. This helps if you can’t get your special charged quickly)
7: AoE emblem Ike, and using your true speed, kill him!
mythic lumera and gotoh can counter aoE right?
@@lanelincoln3843 In a sense. At that point, you need to find a way to take out Lumera and Gotoh before attacking Emblem Ike. My advice is find a way to inflict gravity. That or use Duo Thorr's button.
AoE is the only free to play version, and Gotoh is so niche that, unless is everyone decides to be an arse, we should be fine.
adding to this, you can also give another unit savage blow to help chip ike's hp(give it to the sothe if you use him), I personally use the recent valentine's axe(i forgot the name) + aoe + savage blow on his abyssal map
arion with hardy bearing took him out easy.
im a big fan of nukes having presence and a meta around them. like when legendary julia and alm, and fallen female corrin came to the game. i also like tanks who sit there and annoy your units like year 1 hector and surtr at his release. but what I can't stand is when nukes have range and shred your tanks. it's no longer a matter of working around a unit. it's about figuring out how to keep units out of danger or making a sacrifice to trade units. I love ike because he's not unkillable and it's not only aoes that kill him. you can inflict sabotage and penalty doubler, you can stack treachery and dual strike, you can precharge both aoe and non aoe specials to get that damage output necessary to take him out. also getting rid of ikes support is very important. the game has become a lot like it was in year 1 which is crazy to believe but it's right. before we were using stat bonuses to get the advantage, now it's status bonuses that change the tides of battle and they interact so cool with each other. After coming back from a small hiatus i gotta say, this is the most fun I've had in feh since the release of surtr.
At 6:12, it's a dejavu for me because someone has the same kinda layout that does crazy things. I mean, I lost due to its unpredictability and added the player and accepted me. I mock match the defense and took me probably 10+ tries get the win. The player used N!Igrene but the principles remain the same - rally shenanigan's.
With regards to the intro and as an omnitank biased fan, let's go with tanks. 😃
Rally traps are incredibly powerful now. I’m loving the defense.
Who’s your go to tank?
@@FEH
For story mode, it's black knight because, it's black knight 😅
But for AR, I'm using Emblem Ike but with Fatal Smoke. The reason for this is defense nowadays contain 1-2 Emblem Ike's and A!Caeda just don't quit cut it even with color advantage, which is actually nuts. Also, at least I won't have difficulty in dealing with Miracle and Healing insanities, so, that's that. N!Igrene and Y!F!Robin is annoying though 😅
I honestly wished I got a copy of Emblem Ike because he tanks everything and kills everything. It's been a while since we had a unit who can do both so well. It's like trying to stop Shaq during his prime.
I'm really glad that I summoned a V!Selena for her weapon. I made a R!Ophelia with it and an AoE to deal with W!Byleth and other Far Saviours but it's working wonders against E!Ike even when he's paired with Gotoh.
Getting hit with so much pre combat dmg that can't be healed thanks to Fatal Smoke 3 (4 isn't really necessary) will leave Ike much more vulnerable to other nukes.
I’m. So. Jealous. Devoted basket is one of the best inheritable weapons we’ve had in a very long time.
How good is normal Rhea with Laguz friend? Idk the idea seams very interesting imo.
High nuking unit with lethalithy/dead eye + brash assualt4 + heardy bearing + mircale support and with the new jorge refine support helps me kill Emblem ike on defense.
The Jorge refine is seriously being slept on
Been waiting on this meta report
16:02 as someone who invested in b!dimitri recently at +2 with laguz friend 4, and then got really lucky at finishing the +10 dimitri project in his recent weekly revival banner… i put him in binding worlds for someone who wanted him with that build because it definitely was a lot of investment for me. im so happy he was my first +10 5 star unit and he is great.
my build on him is godlike reflexes (with marth engage), atk/spd finish 4, laguz friend 4, panic smoke 4, and guard echo.+spd and +def boons.
Habiluca mentioned!
He’s pretty amazing
my current AR-D this chaos season is Hinoka and Cam both with Miracle (since hinoka gives Blade affect) and it has certainly been fun seeing Ike teams get trolled since his Fatal Smoke 4 set is so rare.
Another mainstay on my AR-Ds lately has been A!Eir who has aged like wine because she not only survived and could be danced to run by Byleth but now Ike too.
Would using Laguz Friend + Surprise Breath over Counter Roar + New-Sun Stone on Kana be worth it (with emblem marth's skill)? The battles sims seem to be better against E!Ike matchup so curious what you think.
I prefer nukes being good units. I want people to play the game, and I don't think tanking is fun. Yes, I (omni-)tank in Arena, but I'm getting tired by the fact that 90% of my AR-D replays are people putting a unit up in front and just watching if it dies or not. Please just Galeforce me, destroy my defense by some fun play. But as long as you are just gonna try to tank me I'll try to put up the most toxic meta-nukes in my possession. Or use a unit that I'd be hella impressed by that they can tank all that. But this season 90% of the time it was Winter Byleth or Ike. One player attempted a player phase strat, they repo'd Duo Lyon and Duo Sanaki over the mountains with Brave Gullveig, had two dancers, but just didn't make it all the way because they had too little actions left at the end. I was rooting for them though, please be creative.
I think it will be better outside of bonus season, but this chaos season is going to be a dumpster fire
Bonus Doubler on Brave Dimitri is actually a great idea, I've been wondering what to do with his A slot. I've got pretty much the same build aside from that
I just got my B!Dimitri to +10 finally, I'm rejoicing! 🤩 it's just a bummer that if I fodder my E!Ike to him I will no longer be able to engage B!Dimitri for more DR, but Laguz friend is worth it
Oof.. see if you can hold out another 6 weeks. Ike returns then.
I have Binding Worlds LF4 BDimitri and LCorrin. Who do you recommend more?
My AR-D is a bonus effect trap zone, but it is lacking an AoE unit. Been coasting along with a precharged Glacies Citrinne for now.
I've been playing summoner duels a lot in the past week, and while I think beating Ike directly is possible if you have the unit for it, generally speaking, at least in my experience, fighting Ike directly isn't an option, your best bet is hitting him with non-direct AOE hits and from there either killing him outright if possible, or tanking with someone like A!Caeda. That's worked for me so far, but I am checkmated very easily by someone who knows to just isolate Ike.
I do hear from a friend that L!Lilina is really good against him in particular...
I've got the resources, but taking time to make a new defense is the hardest part😢
I fought a team with a guy running light season mythics on his defense with Laguz friend just to stack a lot of bulk. I still managed to barely win... with Ike.... but almost lost on turns...
I admit i prefer having stupid nukes that reach 99+ with base kit rather than a tank that take nothing,
The thing that made Lyon a chore was the No action effect, without that it would just be another high damage nuke, yet you can punish and kill the unit if there is an opening,
Meanwhile a tank like Ike just take 0x4 and can't even be countered from being played recklesly
End turn and win is definitely a bit boring. Lately it seems like the meta completely changes every couple of months, so Ike’s hard counter should be coming soon.
I like when two tanks fight each other and they both survive the combat. More fun to me than 1 character getting 1 shot by nukes.
My Maxed out Midori with Deadeye, C Bonus Doubler, Laguz, Def res pledge, hardy bearing, Guard Echo and E. IKE Engage. is just Unkilable tbh.
Can't believe a very suitable B skill would be introduced just after her refine.
Can't use Null C though... which is a pity.
I think I got your gerik in bound worlds. Does it have fire flood boost? If it yours, why that A skill?
That’s mine! The build is a balance between player and enemy phase. You can do flashing blade in the seal, and just about any speed based A skill player phase builds.
For enemy phase, there are a lot of supportive B’s and the A is perfect.
"Oh an Ike on this ARD, should I fight it with my powerful highly invested blue attuned unit who is less than a month old?"
"No she fucking dies horribly just use your own Ike lol"
Catria/Cordelia balls became a non issue to me once they release the Divine Codes 5 manuals and I was able to get that Heather manual, for Ruse 4.
Now on light seasons I have Lumera with Ruse 4, and in Astra I have Heidr.
They slammed the door hard on Catria. I wonder who our next equalizer unit will be?
I regret not pulling a couple of Laguz Friends for New Years Askr :(, oh well.
You’ll have a chance at the end of the month with a much better share
I said on reddit but i wanna repit here, the fact that IS is releasing banner after banner of units that can hit the +30 in their stats for the mere fact of breath is just rediculous, with E!Ike the thing goes even beyond, like men; the game was suffering a lot of problems because player phase units were getting too many tools to use and enemy phase was like, if you doesn´t have a strategy behind the unit itself and the support you gave it then you most probably will get cooked in the first combats
But bru... The thing with tanking units is resist the threat that player phase does through the fewer effects that those units have, and the key part is, anybody can´t have everything in their kits, in the E!Ike is just absurd the things you gonna to consider in order to beat him. Literaly the only consistent way to deal with him is with AoE and in some cases with enough flared stack up damage, but even so if the hit that is suppouse to kill gets 0´d then you are screwed.
And that Skill is straigh up a separeted weapon, you aren´t telling me that now every skill is getting 3 paragraphs of text that negates DR in active and defensive specials, accelerates the cooldonw in enemy phase by flat 2, gives Flat DR and True damge based on the def or res. That sounds like a skill made by a kinder garden kid that says he is goku and resist everything and beats everything, it simply doesn´t have sense that the special and that INHERIT B skill can wreck the entire cast of feh, and then again he have all the tools a tanks wants but times 10: negates penalties (you are unable to reduce his Flats DR effects), negates the sweep effets (nobody can engage safety), has like 2-3 types of DR in his special an the B skill, if you don´t use hardy bearing then every time is enemy phase, has overhealing and counter habilities. Myrh and the Byleths are nearly perfect tanks, but has exploitable flaws, besides Ike that the only weakness that has is AoE and his combo with Gotoh make him nearly impposible to kill.
(Excuse the testament is just that I really hate the form that IS is making Units nowdays that every two weeks breaks the meta, now a funny counter to make up for)
When I play the Abysal map of this monster I, like everyone that wants to preservate his sanity in check. use AoE Lyon to beat him, I ok thats a counter... But I wanted to experiment a little and then (for once i a year) try to create a specific duo to beat the meta out of him. And for some reason think in brash assault 4 for the counter damage that gives, but ok how I manage to land the counter if Ike lets you hit firts, Hardy bearing, ok but how you garantice that your unit survives to that great eather?, miracle. and with that I use my summer Shamir to make use of that BA4 and then with Ymir I can survive a hit and retaliates with a fully charged dead eye. That works with the Hard and Infernal E!Ike with the abysall I have to give Shamir the Treason effect to gain enough damage. But yea that is the only funny thing that I can say from the release pf this tank; but again, those are two seasonal units and one of them used only for the drive miracke effect, BA4 can be given to many excellent units but is a very, very, very stricty niche to take out Ike.
arion with hardy bearing takes him out pretty easy imo.
IS started this with V!Lyon! 😂 I'm glad I could get Emblem Ike, I hope I can get another soon!
Question: I have you L!M!Alear. Do you think he can help against him (E!Ike) in Chaos season?
As long as L!M!Alear wins the Scowl Res check against Emblem Ike and the Ike doesn’t have rally spectrum support, he can reliably go toe-to-toe quite well with him.
Without Ike being able to trigger Great Aether, he struggles to kill Alear since he has pretty solid stats overall
@@xgxwills2857 Thank you for the reply!
@xgxwillis2857 said it, but scowl is incredibly powerful vs E!Ike.
@@FEH Thank you!
great video man, shoutout gstar and deku
baby chrobin my beloved
One of my favorite heroes right now.
Joel, I have a ton of respect for you, but this is the second video in which you mention Y!F! Robin as an "Ike Counter" without mentioning that Hush Spectrum can be countered by bringing your own Rally Spectrum, and it feels like a big omission considering that it is a skill that has very high availability, and is super easy to fit in AR-O since Ike doesn't really NEED any other (blessable) support whatsoever. The ones you'd want to bring (Lumera/Gotoh/Veyle) are mythics, so you bring those for free (unless you don't have them merged as part of your core, in which case you can make multiple teams and use the one support slot depending on what you need). I do agree that traps (any combination of rally/guidance/restore/healing/dancer) are the best, because the easiest way to beat Ike as the defender is to go after his team, bypassing Ike himself as much as you can enable yourself to, though you can still do that with cavlines if you throw in some shenanigans to threaten more lanes (a simple dancer/guidance trap can enable an extra lane very easily).
I’ve gotten a couple questions in this and vein. I think the problem might be in my wording. Robin offers counterplay. She and hush spectrum are not necessarily a counter.
I’ll adjust that for next time.
@@FEH That's perfectly fine. I'm not trying to harp on it, it's just that the whole "they released a counter for Ike before his bonus season" horse has been beaten to death and someone with a voice that people will listen to (like yours) could help them understand that they really didn't, and that they shouldn't rely just on that. But I did see you guys mentioned it in the latest podcast with DTM and Oblivion so that's something. If I can leave you with an extra bit of a suggestion, it's about Fatal Smoke. Fatal Smoke by itself is not a solution. This is another misconception that people throw around that needs to be dispelled. If you put Yunaka on a team with Lyon and Sanaki, all threatening the same tile, that Yunaka is not gonna be high enough on the AI priority to even matter. Fatal Smoke needs to go on either every nuke, or on the best nuke (the latter requiring you to have something strong enough to kill on the second combat), otherwise it doesn't really do much. You'd think I'd be happy about it, but I hate this unit... It's the worst thing (for the game) I've seen in the last year, IMHO.
(based on mainly AR and arena, I don't do SD) I'm personally mixed on the debate because tanks with a clear weakness you can generally work around (eg with saves, take out their support, force them to hit you, etc); Cav nukes/ Duo Igrene are just obnoxious to figure out safe player phase set ups and you generally can't tank them.
That said, I don't think we've had a unit as infuriating as Emblem Ike (even fallen Edelgard had a lot of weaknesses on release that F2P had easy options to use). He's the biggest arena run ender for me rn (vs nukes that you can usually plan around or the older omni tanks), and in AA where you can have to repeatedly face him, it just gets extremely unfun.
Aye, aoes on the rise again, like hapi needs more stocks lol
I think Hapi might ACTUALLY be a counter for him 😁
@@FEH id say so haha
theif is the way to counter ike for me, steal buffs then give them to my allies to kill ike
Theif is very underrated. It’s been invaluable this week.
Y’all think Ike is bad? You havent seen my Nowi yet
Nowi is pulling an Articuno rn
Nowi is the true power in FEH 😎
Tanks !
This character is more meta breaking than surtr and fallen edelgard were combined yet I dont feel bad using him.
And people thought E!Ike was a pushover because he lost lots of HP from that "pansy" Rearmed Reinhardt on his debut trailer...
How do I survive Emblem Ike:
“See that’s neat thing you don’t”😂
I’ve been a tank player since day one and while it’s nice to see them rising up again even I have to admit Ike is stupid.
I’ve been forced into stale mate so many times cause it’s just your Ike vs their Ike.
What were they smoking when they made thid character I’m genuinely worried for this game’s future.😰
here to hurl abuse for the lack of LF4 Gotoh section 🤣
He’s too good this report. 🥰
Tanks incentivize slow and boring gameplay, and are mostly preferred by lazy cheapos, like the ones that saturated the failed replays this week with their crappy Ikes and end turning.
We all remember a couple of years ago how slow, boring and repetitive it was when everything revolved around save armors... I really hope this year they do not go back to that meta, releasing an emblem Ike every month...
Its infuriating to be put against an impossible to kill unit and then penalized for not being able to defeat it, specially in arena where you need to make the most possibly dysfunctional team to score...
It definitely feels reminiscent of the B!Hector meta when saves first came out. Let’s all take a deep breath and hope IS has some chill.
It could happen right?
my canas one shots ike lol . probably the funniest thing ive seen so far
Those are the feel good moments in FEH 🤣
I kinda want tanks and nukes now
I don't want to sound cocky or anything but Emblem Ike changed nothing to me. I one-shoted every single Emblem Ike I've come across with Legendary F!Shez. Not talking about one-rounding. A single Lethality and he is dead.
F!Shez’s stock has just soared up. She’s thriving since the speed meta slowed waaaaay down.
I would take overpowered tanks like Ike rather than toxic nukes like Lyon any day of the week.
Burn damage to the level of Lyon feels like such a big mistake.
What about Asker? He should be tier 1
I’ve been hearing mixed reviews on him. Are you having success?
they'll sell you a solution to him later on
I mean… Duo!F!Robin was released less than a month after Ike
In 3… 2… 1…
I really don't agree with the notion that A!Caeda fell off after a short while after her release. She's an easy E!Ike counter when you give her Hardy Bearing seal, and with enough good support, she can outres him
I still think X!Caeda is a great unit! One of the ways I measure a units value is how many areas you can them in. The fact that she’s good AND can be used as a fodder factory gives her a ton of value.
As far as her omnitank ranking, right now I use three units to test tanks: Desert Igrene, Duo Sanaki, & Duo Lyon. Most of them lose to Desert Igrene without outer support like Gotoh. Sanaki has become setup dependent, and most good tanks can handle her.
The final challenge is Lyon with iceberg and quickened pulse. The top 2 tiers can handle that specific build. Tier 3 can’t. You can still play around him and not everyone knows about the build.
Keep on using her. She’s a great unit!
@FEH Funny thing is I managed to make her outres Duo Lyon by keeping her standard kit and supporting her with drive res seal duo Askr. The burn damage was big, but Lyon ended up doing 0 damage before dying
Arena and Binding World are currently cancerous.
If you don't have the proper counters in either mode, you're boned.
Was this why i had a horrible time trying to get him? That fucking Legendary/Emblem banner is the worst. Yes I'm probably not the only one who got cheated out of getting him because of bait banner. Shame on me for wanting him i guess.
That fucking banner finally soured me against the entirety of FEH and how IS handles the game. By the time i finally get him, he'll be rendered unusable by future powercreep like L!Ike was.
Game is just dumb and unbalanced. Been day one player and this is the biggest powercreep I've seen so far in my years. I dont think its healthy having these units (like how is it fair to take +40dmg from Lyon before combat). This Ike is a answer to the nukes , but hes so strong its ridiculous because hes not just a tank, hes a nuke as well lol. But thats just how far we've gotten and its not as fun as it use to be :/
E! Ike is the most broken shit ever and im sooooo close to just deinstall the game because of him. I have barely anything which can handle him. My most invested units are not even scratching him. Engage Heroes are a huge mistake in my view. Such a cruel move right after AHR again. They do this every year...
Suggesting people to spend on binding world is weird in my view. Its so heavily overpriced. People are crazy and give tooo much money this cruel company. So please don´t advice such things...