Boris v Dave: The history of their rivalry - BBC Newsnight
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2016
- The EU referendum campaign at times seemed like a personal battle between David Cameron and Boris Johnson. Their rivalry has history. For Newsnight, Michael Cockerell looks at the relationship between the two men - and how it influenced the contest. (N.B. This aired on the programme on 22 June 2016)
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"I think all this talk of WW3 & Bubonic Plague is demented frankly" - has not aged well. 9:20
Ahahaha
War and Plague is an ancient narrative that makes even a broken clock is right twice a day. Things aren't as bad as they seem. There are new opportunities out there beyond your wildest imagination. For the times they are a-changin'
well Brexit didn't cause the virus. The wholemeal Brexit debate seems have largely fizzled out.
Yes, if only britain had stayed in the EU, this all could have been avoided
All the hard line brexiteers not being able to deduce the joke from this comment....🙃
It's interesting how they knew each other for 40 years, but my goodness that's a long time to know someone that long.
Most people who have been friends since they were at school know someone that long, or longer.
"He persuaded a reluctant Johnson to stand..."
What a choice of words haha
The crazy thing about this, was that Cameron had probably been more Eurosceptic than Johnson. Cameron had repeatedly criticised the EU over the years, and often tried to deflect failings of his government on to them. For example he said that victims of his government’s excessive austerity programme had been left behind by the EU. The fact that he was then front and centre of the remain campaign was farcical.
And we know that Johnson only campaigned to leave as he knew it was better for his chances of becoming PM, as at least two thirds of wider Tory party members supported leave. Even then, he was probably hoping for a narrow defeat, so that Cameron’s authority would still be weakened and he would be able to replace him, without then actually having to deal with the complexities of a leave win.
Excellent analysis
That sort of thing is not infrequent. The Civil Rights Act in the US was pushed through Congress by a Texan racist who delighted in calling his Black driver "boy" and other racial slurs and opposed by a Jewish anti-segregation campaigner from Arizona with a long record of supporting racial equality. The legacy of Lyndon B. Johnson is that the Democrats went from being essentially a political arm of the KKK in much of the South to winning comfortably over 90% of the Black vote while that of Barry Goldwater is Nixon's "Souther strategy" and a Republican party that has turned into a vehicle for white racial resentment
Cameron ran around the EU cap in had making a fool of himself begging from them!? And that's what made us say LEAVE
@@groznybaranek
Legacy of Johnson is that, despite his whatever personal belief about race, he saw the right vs wrong side of history & choose the right one by backing Civil rights act 1964 & voting rights Act 1965. Not just that he struck down the racist immigration laws with his Hart cellar act. Heck he even encouraged his fellow southern democrats to join him & be on right side of the history.
Because of his decisions he is remembered favorably, while Goldwater isn't.
@@louloubrow2171 Cameron was crap, that's for sure, but that being said, we've now got Johnson - cheat, pathological liar, dunce and generally indicative of the supreme scummishness of the Tories
Interesting to watch in 2019. Seems Boris won afterall.
not yet
Borris’s lies all now proven yet he still gets the PM position he so desperately craved. By November 1st he’ll be out on his ear, but the damage will be done. Of course a vote will happen before the full extent of the damage to the economy if felt and realised, which might just get this fool back in with another lame duck minority government.
The history books won't think so..
This remains to be seen. I can't help but suspect Boris Johnson will end up come crashing down in flames. He has so far been an utter disaster.
@@daimsaeed now he has
We’re well and truly in an Eton mess.
not funny anymore, but still clever
I'm unsure if Boris is stupid or if it's a clown act to get away with telling Tory lies, as on the same show everybody made a fuss because he said Germany never used chemical weapons in wars, he said an even bigger lie that nobody seems to have noticed, because he said there wasn't a vote on the 2nd war against Iraq, when more Tories voted yes to it than other Parties. He either doesn't know what the party he belongs to does, or it's an experiment to see if all most people really remember about politics is last Tory propaganda headline they read
@@SuzLa1 getting elected and running the country are 2 different things.
@@nifralo2752 Not really when so much media is owned by a few people. Many people say they're not interested in politics, yet often repeat The Sun headlines, and The Sun is owned by USA citizen Murdoch, who uses his media to spread Tory propaganda, so British economy stays closely linked with USA banks encouraging greed and debt, and Britain is run by USA born Boris Johnson who has that ideology.
@@SuzLa1 this isnt the 70s who under 50 reads newspapers these days?
How did we end up with the entire future of our country and our people hinged on a rivalry between two public school boys?
yep they recon to represent the people when they represent the banks£$
As a child, I used to love watching the Muppets, I never expected that they’d go on to run the country.
James Roberts LOOL
@James Roberts Do you still love them?
We are out mate.
What you talking about ? Corbyn lost
Lol
The scale of the Brexit wounds 'remains' to be seen
*cough* *cough*
We've got the plague, so when's WWIII?
TheUnswatableMidge this is ww3
This is chemical warfare
@@That_Guy- No it's not. You sound like a thick, paranoid, Dunning-Kruger fuckwit...
COVID19 is caused by Brexit? I wouldn't put it past Remainers to claim it..
December 16th 2020
Boris' truck trailer had "vote leave" on it, but was pulled by a truck from the company "Europa".. what a knob
made by Renault
A very expensive rivalry!
For britain
Now it’s Goodbye Boris! Both had their times as Prime Minster seems like Cameron won after all because he had 6 years compared to Boris having 3 years
Bojo is running for PM again
And now Cameron is back in government
they both fell in love by the same pig when they were young and heart
Anyone else notice the fluster he got into when asked about his 2 articles
Just watching Boris talk after bunking of work for 5 weeks, and it becomes clear that being a leader or any one in a position of power does not necessarily require any talent, he sounds like an absolute idiot, no oratory skills, waffles on and labours the same point. Above all just does not sound engaging or convincing as a world leader.
I struggle to understand what these people have done in 10 years apart from line the pockets of there friends with tax payers money and assets. Let us not forget 10 years ago we as a country where flourishing now we are an utter mess.
These are the people, remember, that used to BURN FIFTY POUND NOTES IN FRONT OF THE FACES OF THE POOR, AND ALSO, THEY SMASHED UP RESTRAUNTS TOO IN THEIR YOUNGER DAYS! Now, they are in power. Says it all eh?
The fact that the British public willingly betrays themselves by voting for these clowns is unbelievably depressing. Imagine supporting the elite who were born and raised to rule, and show nothing but contempt for the working class. Anyone who votes Tory is a fucking traitor to themselves.
don't forget this man isn't even in charge he is simply a figurehead, the one who has all the control is dominic cummings, boris is as incompetent as it gets really
@@wleon4068 Where did you get this information?
In the last 10 years of Tories being in power:
UK National Debt +110%
Foodbank use +1000%
Homelessness +170%
NHS waiting list +70%
Child poverty + 170%
Crime + 30%
Local Govt funding -50%
Police numbers -20%
I honestly feel bad for Cameron because it seems since Eton, he was just that academic kid that wanted to be cool while Boris was, and that set the stone for their entire relationship
It's like he finally becomes PM and accomplishes something greater than boris, and then boris is the face of a movement that leads Cameron to resign
And if that's not bad enough, Boris then takes his failed position, has the greatest victory since thatcher and gets done what Cameron didn't even try
What happens when betas try and be alohasy
Alpha
Yeah Cameron dosent beat labour has to scramble a coalition with Clegg and Swinson. Cant pass half the laws he wants but then uses that as to fend of eurosceptics. Then 5 years later he wins a majority then calls a referendum, assumes no one will vote, then is the only person who campaigned for it. Loses and quits. Then Maybot and the rest of the pro Europe Tories make such a pigs ear of everything Boris purges them a d wins a landslide
How tf is Boris cool? 😂 Never invite me to one of your parties.
@@Neil-qg9cw well when your colleagues are David Cameron, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and Jo Swinson the bar is pretty low
Also many Londoners literally said they voted for boris as mayor because "he's a laugh"
Watching in June 2022, what a prescient interview question, "which comes first World War Three or the Brexit recession." so far, it is the Brexit recession.
With WW3 not far behind 🤣🤣
I love the Johnson smile when he's out in public campaigning lol
yes his stupid posh smile is going to save us. twat
@@USER-G291 So he gets Brexit done, something May would seemingly refuse to do, and you're implying that he will ruin the country?
Chat Shit Get Banged if anything he actually went further back than forward and may was too busy running in the fields of wheat
@Bart Perry He triggered Article 50, starting the process of Britain leaving the EU.
@@populistcunt4508 We've yet to see how that will play out. It could go well or horribly wrong. We're not going to know for a while.
When Boris says “On the contrary” and then smirks, just know, he’s about to say the exact opposite from the truth.
Johnson doesn't know what the truth is it's not in his make up or any of the other twonks with him.
Can't believe it's only 4 years ago... seems like forever...
Johnson is lying. When he answers the question about his two essays, he keeps looking off to the right. Johnson voted to Leave for reasons of opportunisitic political career advancement.
Yeah we all knew that
Of COURSE Boris is lying, it’s easy to tell when Boris is lying. His mouth is open
5:27 “He Got Stuck” 😂🤣😂
Sounds like HE is doing the sticking,
to the people in your country sir.
Very interesting.
Boris ambition has no limits, do never forget that.
Boris was a remainer. He only ran with the leave campaign so he could be on the opposing side to Cameron.
They'll do any stunt to keep people away from labour, brexit is a sham, if it happens they'll blame US for it, coz they never wanted in the the first place! Oh, & they can punish us even more for it with more austerity, PERFECT CRIME!
I'm unsure if Boris is stupid or if it's a clown act to get away with telling Tory lies, as on the same show everybody made a fuss because he said Germany never used chemical weapons in wars in his bid to arm extremists in Syria against Assad, like how the whistle blower David Shayler told how Tories were funding Al Qaeda against Gaddafi, he said an even bigger lie on the same TV show that the media didn't care about, because he said there wasn't a vote on the 2nd war against Iraq, when more Tories voted yes to it than other Parties. He either doesn't know what the party he belongs to does, or it's an experiment to see if all most people really remember about politics is last Tory propaganda headline they read.
Is all the media in with making up lies for Tories, or is the only point in the media to dumb down society by trying to get people to care about talentless celebs?
Are we seriously going to be led out of the EU by that idiot, or is it a plan by his Eton and Bullingdon Club friends to not have the EU in the way of the upper classes and corporations mistreating most British people? Such as not having EU saying genetically modified ingredients should be labelled and workers should have enough breaks
Mark Chaplin
But they said the Telegraph paid him a quarter of a £million?
Maybe. But I believe he's always been Eurosceptic.
This hasn’t aged very well.
the cartoon drawing was just too funny... lol
Brilliant watch!!
Well interesting to watch in 2022. I do not believe a single word by BoJo and Rudd's remarks take on an entirely new meaning now. Cameron knew BoJo well!
So he was sacked from the Tories,for lieing now he,s got a top Job with them. lol
stu crawford this aged even better then we thought
Sacked from the cabinet, not the tories
He still lies tho
stu crawford no he wasn’t sacked he dropped out
Its spelt "lying" Stuart
I think the only thing we can draw from this is that both Cameron and Johnson were primed and prepped to become PMs long before they were actually voted in.
Well lets put it this way, you do not go to Eton to become a graphic designer do you. It's a breeding ground for the elite.
Well yeah they went to Eton then Oxford, joined the bullingdon club and were handed over safe seats. Pretty obvious. That's the standard Tory way to rise to power, definitely not representative of the common man
🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣 I love that cartoon pictures of you two 🥊🥊
So Eton is responsible for the crap we're in. You couldn't make this up.
Well we could being led by Corbyn, how would you fancy that.
@@steviechat Got my vote, and better than either of these self-entitled, narcissistic, ego-bloated, arrogantian, lying, deceitful twats.
How the electorate let these people rule & divide them into whatever factions they want , it is time to change to proportional representation
Michael Cockerell is very good
"All this talk about WW3 and bubonic plague is totally demented frankly" - this didn't age well
How so?
The EU has never made any contribution to "peace" in Europe. Quite the opposite. It stirs up division and contention.
@@Lucid.dreamer that’s objectively wrong
@@jakesummers1174
The EU began its existence in late 1993.
Just what contribution, precisely, has the EU made to "peace", in Europe, or anywhere, for that matter?
We were told during the EU referendum purdah that the EU defeated the third Reich. By the way.
@Oneiromancer no we were not told that. the eu and its earlyer itterations dating back to the end of the war maintains peace through trade, if your economy is interdependent with another you are unlikley to sacrafice that to go to war with them. also it avoids trade wars.
@@jakesummers1174 yes we were. One foolish MEP stated that the EU defeated the third Reich.
His knowledge of history is somewhat dubious, to say the least.
The videos are not findable, now.
But it did actually happen.
No doubt he's exercised his GDPR right to be "forgotten". Can't say I blame him.
But all sorts of silly claims have been made about the EU. They're still trotting out the claim of it being "the biggyiest market in the whole wide world".
Why does Boris look like a titan from Attack on Titan in that thumbnail XD
Eren: *to Boris and Dave* You're just murderers. You're psychotic mass murderers, who've killed countless innocent people who never did anything wrong.
@Hravity Are you talking about events in the manga?
@Hravity You haven't. I'm caught up with the manga.
I have seen a film about the Bullingdon Club very interesting.
Cockerell is one of the most underrated presenters IMO, he is well liked for sure but his work is so great. He recently made an update to this btw chronicling the fall of Boris titled "The rise and fall of Boris Johnson". It does take a lot to make British electoral politics, especially Tory politics interesting, but somehow he does it.
England's leaders seem to be living in a "Chums" fantasy world where any catastrophe can be fixed in the next episode.
These are not England leaders, they are United Kingdom leaders.
Yes, and probably the last. Thesresa May enters as the UK PM and will likely leave as the PM of England and Wales.
+JapanJohnny2012 unlikely. Scotlain voted to remain in the UK, you idiot .
There'll probably be another referendum next year. I'm an idiot who knows more than you, professor.
Most Country obtain independence from the U.K.
they have both achieved what they have dreamed to be
i came for the title i stayed for the stranger things vibes.
In the current climate this needs to be revisited en masse.
At 6:20 we see a Deliveroo rider snapping Boris. The guy clearly has 2 jobs. You got to give it to him.
The school bullies are now running the world. Forget left and right, tory or labour. All i see is a genuine politician (Cameron) who is intelligent, hard working and has an ability to feel compassion, being taken down by the class clown, class bully and overall idiot. I'm devastated by the way the UK and USA has gone. I used to criticise politicians (including Cameron) all the time but now i see how much worse it can be, i find myself pining for the "good" old days when politicians were actually politicians and not celebrities. :(
hardly any references to their "history"
A second in Classics!!, comparing the Dandy over the Beano, no doubt!
A few beers down the pub and some porking might have made the world of difference for us what a shame..
Boris has caught up on the porking over the last 20 years!
2016 "I want the best deal for the UK"
2020 "No deal is the best I could achieve"
Boris the buffoon ...
How history now looks at back at his lies ... this was always a way to become PM
Those kids In the black coats and white shirts took all the good jobs in life and there still working from home today 🤯
In my opinion,Boris is the most charismatic UK PM of all times.
And his 5 a side skills are the stuff of legend.
Even churchill
@@andrewsutherland133 And you idiots vote for personalities and 'charisma'.
How's that going for you Brits right now? lol
@@time4advancement244 1. I'm American (and no, I didn't vote for trump)
2. No one said anything about voting for them. Were simply discussing PMs with charisma. Hitler and Mussolini were also very charismatic, doesn't mean I'd support them either.
Since Thatcher certainly.
The issue with Johnson and Cameron both typical modern politicians in the fact they only believe in their own ambition. Heselinte and Clarke what ever you think of them old Tories they were geninuely angry and bereft when the UK voted out of the EU. Cameron called the referendum as a gamble to kill the anti EU lobby and an act of party management it was a gamble that backfired if he cared about Britains membership he would not have risked it. Johnson backed leave because Cameron was making noises about Osbourne being his succesor and saw a power grab for the crown.
14:33 Said no one 😂😂😂
Well hasta la vista baby
Watching this 4 years later with Bojo as PM... big L for Cameron
Boris is actually a character played by Alex Jones .
Lol
Shows that Boris took his time to decide which direction to go in with the EU. Was it for political gain after being well thought out? Or for the greater good of the UK? I think we'll have to decide that one alone.
14:50. Wow! The Hell is that noise?
Ruddy hell Dave wheres Paxo ? Bully bully bully wheres my bicycle clips? JELLYFISH!
Boris Johnson's second article was "in order to support my Prime Minister and my party, it would be better to say in". Clever sidestep, but BS. What sort of Telegraph article would that be? "Dear Telegraph readers, I hate the EU but I endorse Remain because of party loyalty". That's not an article. That's not an argument. Of course it was more than that. Of course he was always as pro-EU as pro-leave and personal ambition swayed him.
Some of these comments haven't aged well...
Lmao it took me a while to realise what should I stay or should I go meant
So Brexit was just a school feud. Thanks
The Greatest Irony came for both Eton boys David resigned and Boris was stabbed in the back.
Who knew he’d be the man who’d lead us out
Indeed, and that was a very big mistake.
We miss seeing David Cameron too…🏎💨🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🕊🥳
6:21 is that a deliveroo reporter?
the last sentence turns out true
Perhaps not!
@olehomer1988 he left dumbass. he quit his job months ago
@@EPICRAGE1000 he he he
Finleyrizo hehe
@edmundkhor hi from 2019
I think the only reason Johnson did what he did was Cameron dropping more and more hints that he wanted Osbourne as his successor.
Boris and David both Bullington Club Boy's!!!
Can't help wishing he was still on the zip wire looking far more dignified than he ever does these days.
09:23 Uhmmm...
'All this talk of WW3 and bubonic plague....' Nearly four years later we have a pandemic, something better off resolved within a large union but Boris refused ventilators and because of this people will die. I hope the families of those who died will take solace in the fact that Boris is the PM.
it was the cons that took the UK into Europe in the first place. it was my first ever vote and I defied my union and the labour part and voted to join. for myself now leaving is the daftest thing this country has done in its history. Europe don't really need the UK in it but we need Europe a lot.
I agree with you though I didn't have a vote as I was 13, this was my first interest in politics, If I recall one of the main MP's against joining was Roy Jenkins and agreed with what he had to say.
All that aside and now about to become the 51st State of the United States, we can look forward to being told to go into more illegal wars across the planet at the will of the US, maybe China first as we apparently sending the QE2 aircraft carrier to join the two the US already has in the South China Sea's, then possibly Iran or Venezuela. Will our NHS stay the same available to all and drugs go up in price?
Though still a poodle we were once a giant poodle of the US with a bit of bite now to become a miniature dancing poodle of the US.
walking in front of cameron then interupting him , interesting ?? now we know why
Fancy waistcoats! I’m a jealous Seppo!
2:50
Fab video...
This will be shown in classrooms
They already show enough propaganda in schools, they don't need any more.
David Cameron envied Boris Johnson's "charisma", I don't see the point in the dictionary then.
And guess who's the Prime Minister hahaha
i m so happy
Could you imagine your actions as a kid will be judged 40 years later
250,000 to be able to write one column a week? Wow, the media is corrupt
"Isolationism has never served this country well...[so now let me do something to put us on that path]..." 🙄
isolation is saving us now
0:32 😂😂😂😂😂
Why is Mr Bean in the thumbnail?
It's not over yet kids
3:50 Henley isn't in the Cotswolds fam
Tbf our licence fees go towards child trafficking and sex not geography
exactly, I'm over here
6:45 is it a calculated cynical play for the leadership of this country - the honest answer would be 'yes'
4:12 how many words does it take to say yes?
You're welcome ☺️☺️☺️
Boris Johnson looks like he just got out of bed alot of the time. He also puts his foot in his mouth alot when interviewed.
Perhaps that made him seem like a normal person rather than the pointy shoes in Remain camp
Take away: Two Eton toffs total a whole country that was once the fifth largest economy on Earth.....
oracleofottawa once the largest.
This comment is even more true now
Oh no
So the documentary makers didn’t want brexit obviously
Boris really got the last laugh
commenting in July 2022 no he didn't
It doesn't matter. Both of their political careers are over.
try again sweetie
Zonder Kennis Try what again?
BoJo career isn't over
Zonder Kennis It pretty much is. He stepped out of the race for PM with the demeanor of a guy who lost the biggest battle of his life. He's ruined.
+Trenton Pottruff once again, wrong. Now he's Foreign Secretary. Prime Minister is just a stone throw away.
Why didn't it snap
Not yet but they will call me 😂😂😂
A number of comments here haven't aged well at all. Like him or not Cameron did a pretty good job and actually cared about the country. Boris on the other hand is lying clown that doesn't know when to quit