What's Going on With Montell Fish? Christian Artists vs Fans
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I'll be honest people need to learn to stay in their lane
Theres stuff that ruslan says/does that i dont agree with personally but i dont go into the comment section of all his videos critisizing every little thing i dont like
Theres still good what he says and he poses interesting debates and instead of tearing him down im gonna uplift the good that he is doing
Plus people need to understand that as a fans we arent in a position were we can rebuke "the celebrity" because we dont have that access to their lifes
I'll be honest people need to learn to stay in their lane
Theres stuff that ruslan says/does that i dont agree with personally but i dont go into the comment section of all his videos critisizing every little thing i dont like
Theres still good what he says and he poses interesting debates and instead of tearing him down im gonna uplift the good that he is doing
Plus people need to understand that as a fans we arent in a position were we can rebuke "the celebrity" because we dont have that access to their lifes
Correct me if im wrong🤷
Wow that’s so crazy I just came across his page again after unfollowing him and he doesn’t seem very strong rn. His álbum Camp Lukewarm helped lead me (among many other things) out of 18 yrs of being a lukewarm Christian. I pray that he comes back to the faith, it seems like he’s struggling. I really hope he can run back to Christ ❤
Can I humbly ask what made you unfollow ? (I can assume why but I was curious)
I love that album my kid also loves it too so sad everything going on but it happens I'm going through a whole lot right now tbh
Not gonna lie, it hurts to see Montell like this. I’m not sure what season he’s in or what he’s going through but my heart goes out to him. Especially because in the last two years we saw a change in Andrew and Joseph.
Who is Andrew? I’m familiar with Joseph
Here
@@Wachera from a worship group called ‘Ecclesia’. He goes by Cain Culto now. He has a song with Montell called ‘Eyes Only For You.’
Joseph? Who r u talking about?
@@gamingwithjoy191 Joseph Solomon, he was another Christian artist who recently lost his faith
I think we are very prone to the idea of "authenticity" being acceptable, when used as a euphemism for our sinful nature. We all need to strive better, as Christians who are witnesses of the Grace of God. And for our fellow brothers and sisters, we have to be active in accountability, and firm in it. There is more love expressed in "I'm concerned for you. Let's talk it out..." versus "praying for you."
GREAT TAKE
i think it's both.
@RuslanKD as someone not in Montell's close corner, I can say prayer is my most immediate tool here. But if I had his ear as more than just a fan, then I'd personally feel like that's a God given position to speak loving correction and understand the man behind the social media posts.
With that said, maybe I'm just hoping that for those who are his friends like WHATUPRG are commenting "praying for you" that that isn't all he is doing, yah know?
I agree, we definitely need to pray for the most high's blessings on our brother. The changes we saw happened so suddenly, at least to me it did. Which makes me think that he needs us to pray always for him because every Christian that sticks his neck out to lead people into the light will get ambushed one way or the other. I'm hurt seeing the evidence of what he is dealing with. So just as his music inspired and supported people when they were in the weeds of life, we owe him our support now in return, even when he lashes out.
OMG THANK YOU!!! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!
Men that's what I've been thinking about since he started talking about the "maybes"
i think christians dont know how to deal with true imperfection and not just "movie" imperfection. Especially from celebrities because we place so much of our faith in their hands. Everyone has to have their own personal relationship with God
Love how you put that!
Def agree… it’s like we condemn everytime we see imperfection. Even though we claim to be understanding of it.
Best comment 👌
Excactly
I feel I was in the place Montell is in now. Angry at christians and God for negative situations I've been through. I remember stumbling across Montell's videos from his early days and watching all of them back to back. His videos honestly saved me and re-aligned my walk with Jesus, it definitely played a huge part in turning my life around. I hope whatever he's going through passes, I know that under all this fame the same Montell is there.
The fact that he is cussing in that post… towards other Christians… says exactly where he is. How can you curse at people who are genuinely concerned for you? I pray he seeks him.
We aren’t going to act like all or even most Christians are “genuinely concerned” when our brothers and sisters in Christ fall short. The religious spirit is rampant in the Christian community. There are plenty of people who willfully cast stones and condemn out of their own ignorance.
@@goldengirl7625 some people are but most people are concerned. Who is judging him? When you see a believer backsliding you let them know, that is not judgement. People love mistaking correction for judgement. We don’t judge sinners but as Christians we know other Christians by there fruit and montells fruit is a little questionable right now. For example Kanye is out here acting crazy, his fruit is questionable. Voicing a concern is not judgment especially when you put yourself out there to public don’t be shocked when people question your choices and action especially when you label yourself as a Christian. As a Christian, why are you cursing like that? That’s concerning. That’s something he would have never did in the past.
We rarely believe the best.. I honestly think sometimes people enjoy others slipping in their walk because it makes them feel their walk is “better” even though others aren’t the standard
Wheew.
Needs pinned. 📌
DAT PART
You just read us all!
EXACTLY!!!
So many of Montell Fish’s songs are still in my all-time favorites and current rotation! Praying for him 🙏🏽
This is sad. I got into his music over COVID and it helped me as I was going through a fast from worldly music. Please keep in touch with him Ruslan! Keep reaching out and being there for him.
I’ve been a Montell fan since nights and days, honestly that album took me so much closer to loving worship. I actually went to his no blondes event and I remember in his early days he would jump in the crowd singing “I lay down my life for the holy God” and at this one he did the same thing but doing like some rage freestyle. That hit me hard I’m not gonna lie. I love his new music, i can’t lie, but it grieved my heart to see the transition. I talked to Montell a little bit before the show, he said thanks for sticking around because not many have. I’m gonna stick around, but I just hope he’s doing alright.
His transition into depression was so clear. He is just a depressed young man battling something
Shouldve listened to Jason Dorito
I’m holding my breath for what’ll happen next. But I am also like, “Man, finally someone acknowledged this.”
I felt compelled to leave a comment on this video for whatever reason. Literally created an account just for this.
This may be long winded, but as someone who has struggled with some mental health issues (depression, super low self-esteem, people pleasing behavior, suicidal ideation, etc.) I found myself drawn deeply to the type of music that Montell produces. During the height of my "bad times" where I was very distant from God, I would frequently listen to artists/projects such as the Weeknd's "My Dear Melancholy" or his highly praised "Trilogy" era, the early sing-songy, heart broken Drake days (although he was probably the least "bad" of this camp), XXXTentacion, Lil Peep, JuiceWrld and the rest of the "emo rap" Soundcloud scene, etc. Anything moody and pensive was my jam. Some other examples would be "FEEL." by Kendrick Lamar or "All Eyes on Me" by Bo Burnham. The common thread throughout all of these pieces of work was it's fixation and near fetishization of darkness.
It felt good to see my deeply held pain expressed in such raw and guttural ways. It felt like I was not alone in my pain, and in some respects, comforted me that other's were going through similar situations. But I soon realized something in my depressive stupor, in the midst of the long nights I would spend alone listening to such music, playing video games, getting high, falling into pornography and other sexual sins- all of it wasn't really making me FEEL any better. I was ruminating on the darkness. As a cow chews their cud I would meditate on my pain over and over, falling down even deeper into a rabbit hole of despair.
Eventually, I realized that this wasn't it. I began to realize that maybe I liked being the "ugly duckling" or the "red headed step child". I was, in some sense, proud of my depression, romanticizing it in a way. I fear this is a huge trap that few don't realize. There can not be freedom from darkness when the light is never an option. All too often, this type of music presents despair without hope, without the LIGHT. And that's where the Lord comes into play. This world is surely a place of great suffering, yet it also, paradoxically, is a world of such vast and unimaginable beauty. For the health and well being of our very souls, we must be sure to approach life with both sides of the coin- the light and the darkness. There will be suffering in this life, that is a guarantee, but there will also be laughter, joy, love, admiration, awe, etc.
I'm not really sure who this is for out there, but I genuinely pray if you are reading this that you seek the fullness of God and take some time to acknowledge what a magnificent blessing it is that he sent his son into the darkness so that we may be one day joined with him in glory. As for me, my journey out the pit hasn't been easy and is still not complete but has gotten so much better (praise God). Through the suggestion of Ruslan, I have gone into therapy with a Christian counselor who has helped me a ton, I've begun to seek God more (although I definitely could do more), and try to engage in positive activities (such as joining Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, for example) that will build me up rather than tear me down or stagnate me. The road is not easy but it is SO much better than succumbing to despair and becoming another statistic. God has a calling for you far greater than you could possibly imagine.
Powerful 🙌
OH MY GOSH!!!! YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL!!! Thank you so so so so much for sharing your story with us. I don't know you, but I LOVE YOU! And I LOVE what Jesus is doing in you dear one. Amazing! Keep sharing your testimony. Big hugs!!! 🤗
@@iloveGod1105 this!!!!!
This..👏👏
Very beautifully said, honestly. Thank you so much for writing this. I too have been enjoying the comfort of depression and sadness, till literally today i said enough was enough…..
I just get tired off seeing these artist starting out doing Christian music gaining Christian fans then start flipping. Alex smith did this gabby callwood and now Montell Fish,
Ecclesia also it happens a lot and I get tired as well tbh
He used to be depressed but now idk what’s going on. He definitely grew on me with his Christian music but haven’t been able listen anymore so I pray for the dude. 🙏 thanks for the vid Ruslan. Grace and peace.
Didn’t even know Montell was going down this path until I saw this video. Will be praying for the brother.
Same
This is hurt my heart. I performed on the same stage with him when was still in Pittsburgh. If all I can do is pray for him so be it.
I unfollowed Montell years ago but still rock with his past music. "Heavenly Father" is in particular a song that helped with my pornographic struggle. love, restoration and prayers to him.
I’m so tired of people using “reaching the lost” as a cover for dabbling in their sin. It’s such a weak cop out
I’ve honestly never seen this until now. I’m genuinely confused on why he’s so mad
It truly is a weak cop out :/
👏🏽👏🏽
As someone who’s left the church, some people want to leave and that’s okay and another thing is that they don’t need to explain why they left either
Jason Dorito
The craziest thing about all of this is that Montell is not the only one in this scenario at this time. The same thing is happening with Jonathan from Ecclesia and (maybe) with ØM-53. I remember that Ecclesia’s lead singer produced a Christian song with questionable visuals and then he became Cain Culto and is now calling himself a “non-binary witch priestess”. With ØM-53 we saw the band get popular from their album “Defender” and last year they released an album that was questionable if it was Christian or not. I thought Taylor Armstrong was going to go through the same thing, but thankfully it only happened in 2021 and Taylor Armstrong keeps making Christian music. The point that I learned from all these artists (2 of which who are my favorite being Montell Fish and ØM-53) is that you can’t fully trust them and that you have to trust God. But, it is sad that these artists have done this because their music was a better alternative to Christian music that’s played on the radio. All we can do for these artists is pray for them 🙏.
Not sure if I can still trust "Christian" artists who are into aesthetic stuff 😅
I’ve always viewed Montell as a young guy crying out for help, either cognitively and/or spiritually in the form of personal discipleship and fellowship. Unfortunately, I still feel that way after his last post. We gotta pray for the brother.
The image that he's portraying to us is that of an ungodly person. You guys can say "oh, he's playing a character". Playing a character is not an excuse to be sinful. As Christians, we ought to show a great deal of empathy, patience, and love to our brothers in Christ, but the Bible is the final authority and we should rebuke or correct (you may call this judging if you want) our brothers using the Bible, and if you read and follow God's teachings, you know Montell Fish has more likely abandoned his faith. I was a big fan of Montell Fish, I even showed my non-Christian friends his songs to let them know that some Christian artists are amazing at what they do, but now my friends can't tell if he's a Christian or not.
Agreed. And it’s *Character* btw
@@RaZhanBreonna Thank you! I have rectified it.
Thanks Ruslan for finally speaking about this. I know I don't know Montell but he was a blessing back when I had no one around to help me. For some reason seeing Montell recently has genuinely scared me and hurt me but finally listening to you speaking about it helps me to have the closure I needed. Thanks again
We all are in a spiritual battle and have to equip ourselves with the armor of God (Ephesians 6)
I will pray for him just as everyone in this world let’s spread love not hate! Thank you as always @Ruslan
My theory is the same thing that is happening to Montell is what happened to Joseph Solomon. Both seemed to be sold out for Christ, until they signed a contract with a record label, bleached their hair blonde, and slowly but surely, little by little, drifted away from God. What people don't realize is when artists sign a 360 record deal (or any record deal) with a big record label, this happens quite often. They begin to talk about God less and less, until they are no longer believers.
Look at Lecrae and and Lauren Daigle... same thing. They started drifting away from "christian music artist" to just an artist.
There is clearly a pattern here, yall.
and people will say you’re being judgemental for stating the obvious.
@@Solatruth I don't care if they think I'm judgmental. Someone is always going to complain.
@@Penelope416 exactly. I’m so confused. Have Christian’s forgotten the part where the bible says we ought to sharpen each other? What do they think that means?
Facts
If this is a character he’s playing, and the reactions he’s getting is what he’s trying to get, as part of his new music rollout/social experiment/performance art, then he’s a genius!
@@passingthrough6218 my bad bro 😔
There are no "maybes" in Christianity and this is not a play. For someone like Montell who has helped a lot of people through mental illness, transparency would be very well appreciated. I don't believe this is a show he is putting on. The same way he was open and upfront, in the beginning, is the same way he should be now. We will keep praying for our brother
@@passingthrough6218 i don’t think it’s confusing believers. We’re only human and we go through cycles and changes. Sometimes those processes are hard and painful. I think it shows how vulnerable of a person he is and probably how much he’s going through. Christians don’t typically like to be actually vulnerable, don’t like to see the other side of people if it’s not cookie cutter Christian. I think it’s a callout to Christians to actually think about how they view people not in the faith and people who are in the faith but still go through certain struggles.
I think Montell is a good example of what can happen when you rely on your feelings for faith.
What you thought was “faith” was possibly just dopamine. And now he’s chasing that. Common with sensitive & creative people.
I started listening to Montell's content maybe 4 years ago. I became a follower of his music and was genuinely blessed and uplifted by it. I went to a show at a Church right before the pandemic hit, featuring him and some other Christian artists. I saw him when the other artists were performing, and you could tell that he was out there praising and receiving along with every one else from the other artists, before even his own performance. Nothing phony about that guy at all.
I truly believe that Montell has been and is going through something spiritually. I noticed a turn in his content and art within the last year or so. This young man is anointed musically and is able to reach and speak to a lot of people through that anointing. And that makes him a definite target by satan. I honestly don't believe he's going in the right direction but because he IS anointed and gifts and callings are without repentance, he's going to attract an audience and even make it to big time platforms, but of course all of that is in vain, if not for the glory of God ultimately. I get his frustration with those who may not in his mind, understand where he's going with his art, but to lash out at the very people that supported you when the world didn't know you or even care, was disappointing and just messed up TBH. Ultimately, I agree with Ruslan, I think I unsubscribed to him and believers should to if they don't agree with the direction he's going artistically if not personally, but we should most certainly keep this dude in our prayers, because he truly needs that more so than the criticism.
He’s been getting weird for a bit.
I still have my Lords Child gear, but had to unfollow.
Initially when I saw his posts with the cigarettes it took me back to the first ever song I heard from him which was “don’t you go back to the green leafff” 😅 Honestly I still love all of Montell’s Christian music and it inspires me still.
Nights and days by montell fish album still on repeat 🔁
that album is im my top 10 albums of all time!
Rockstar JT is kinda going through similar things. It’s discouraging to watch your favorite artists struggle in their faith.
You made some good points, I was a bit disappointed and confused with the change, but I cannot judge him or be mad because we've all wrestled with our faith. I'll pray for him too 🙏🏾
I'm finally relieved that it wasn't me who was concerned about Fish's faith, thank you for carring about him!!
In my opinion Montell has always been a wonderful artist with an incredible vision.... but the character and direction he created for this new "era" or "album" is englufing HIM and not just the fans or art itself. As a LONGTIME fan I've given the benifit of the doubt bc I get his idea for painting the concept of counterfeit love that relationships bring us that pull us away from the true love of God. It was hard to do but felt right because he posted small stories and short livestreams where he pleaded ppl to bare with him and that this was part of the plan... but at this point more damage is being done, the ratio of attention coming in that will even listen to whatever the pay off is is almost irrelevant to the alienation of the core fanbase and what not. Obviously no one is "too far gone" but I just wish this performance would end so we can see the love of christ back in front stage.
Thank you for making this video. I first found Montell Fish when he did some collabs with Jonathan Ogden back in 2017 and quickly came to love his music. I don’t have social media so I wasn’t aware of the direction he was going, and was very jarred and confused when I listened to his new music coming out this year. Prayers for him
The problem with a lot of his Christian fans is that they are putting Montell in a box and judging him to their standards. It’s all over Montell’s comments. They are making assumptions about this man without knowing him personally. Saying things like “He walked away from God.” Montell has said time and time again that this is a character and a story. Even when he was doing the Jamie story early on he was getting a lot of unnecessary judgment and hate. It’s not fair to say he crossed the line and lashed out when he has been getting harassed non stop for being an artist and telling a story. He obviously had enough. I can recall my brother being picked on and everyone just sat and watched. The minute my brother stood up for himself “He was wrong and did too much” A lot of Christians do not give grace despite serving a God who died so we can have an unlimited amount of grave. Montell is trying something different to reach a wider audience, and it’s working. How many people who call themselves a “Christian rapper” will be on Jimmy Fallon? Only Christians will listen to them, and half of those Christian fans will turn on them the minute they step outside of those Christian fan’s box, or show that they are human, which is what Montell is doing. Ask Lecrae. Lecrae is one of the biggest artists in the Christian field who gets a ton of hate for no reason. He doesn’t even swear in his music. Montell has also expressed that he used to be like the very Christians who are in his comments now. Ironically, he did this when he was still in the Camp Luke Warm era. I personally don’t see how Montell’s fans are not spamming his comments out of being concerned. If feel like if they were genuinely concerned, they would message him privately with love rather than comment publicly to show they do not support his new path. If they don’t want to follow him any longer, then they are more than willing to unfollow.
all of this can be true, he still shouldn't have lashed out. but i agree and echo'd this on the video. hopefully you finished it.
@@RuslanKD Oh of course. It was a thought provoking discussion. I was just sharing from my perspective that I understand his lashing out. I appreciated you tying everything together the way you did at the end.
@@imlostandsoareyou yeah I don’t.
@@RuslanKD this is why people don’t come to church
@bpc3893 As a Christian, when I'm trying to see if the person is a true follower of God, you will know by their fruits. This comment he put responding to @imlostandsoareyou was out of anger, and one of the fruits is self-control
Sometimes Christians fall or sin, but God is always there to pick you up when you have fallen.
We shouldn’t promote sin to reach people.We are called to renew our minds be set apart and dying daily to our old man in the process of sanctification.It’s a hard journey and life has a lot of ups and down and is unfair.However there is a serious war between of light and darkness in these end times.The true worshipers will worship in spirit and in truth.All we can do is pray for one another and nobody is too far gone.I hope he comes back on the right path.Stay on the Ark everybody!! Do not abort ship!! Tough times are ahead and Jesus is the only way and example.God Bless!🙂
Thanks for the video. I was subscribed since he had 20k followers, but his recent behavior I can't tolerate. Interesting to see that nowadays many step away from their faith in the name of art/expression. Seems like the new religion.
Thanks for playing both sides to the situation. As a long time fan of Christian music a lot of us understand when artists don't get the benefit of the doubt in their art. Or even if there's something people don't agree with specifically In their music. Though i cant lie to say that its been pretty frustrating to watch him and RockstarJT act kind of hostile and standoff-ish toward their fan bases for the past week now and its understandable at its root cause, but after a while gets harder to see them in an optimistic light. I can definitely acknowledge that both online fans and Montell's actions are at fault and I'm definitely praying for both these guys not just as artists but as human beings. 💯
For those in his circle or others like him, it’s hard to find that balance of giving space while addressing. Too much of either can either push the person away. One by comin’ off as leaving them in isolation, and the other can be forceful.
Praying for all involved and hoping for the best.
This is disappointing. Camp Lumewarm was the best album of 2020 and lifted me out of a lot of depression the lockdowns put me in. I’m also not into this new sound and now it’s such a left turn. Praying for Fish. Great take Ruslan
You made some great points in this Ruslan. I've been a fan of Montell since 2017 and have loved seeing him find his 'sound'. I was originally all for the Jamie story etc, and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt as it seemed like he was going through a lot. But after his IG post, I was disappointed 😞. I get how hard it is for his Christian fans to see the switch in content, but that also doesn't mean we should be lashing out in his comment section acting like we know everything! We as Christians should be keeping him in prayer, and pray for his relationship with Jesus as that is the most important thing 🙏
I’ve been waiting for someone to talk abt this!
Thank you Ruslan for talking about this.
I deconverted from fundamental christianity last year, around the same time that Montell transitioned into this new phase (I´ve been following him since 2018 basically) and I do understand his frustration and need to lash out. I´ve experienced personally, how a lot of christians simply base their interest of you within a christian context, so that you feel like there isn´t any love for you outside of being a christian. It´s why all the "I´m praying for you"-DMs are not only useless as a sign of love but counter-intuitive because when people try to experiment with things outside the christian bubble or leave it entirely, people within that bubble so often just dumb their entire experience down to "being on the wrong path" and that isn´t a good precedent for a genuine conversation, yet alone a good connection. It´s simply very tiresome constantly having to explain yourself to christian people (when in most cases you know you have good and valid reasons) just for those people to then reject your explanation or not listening properly. Adapting a IDGAF-attitude then doesn´t seem so illogical, since I don´t own my faith or any explanation of it to anybody other than myself. It´s a private thing. The people I actually talk to nowadays about my faith are the people who are interested in me beyond my faith. But I don´t think Montell as a public figure gets to choose who those people are.
That being said, I do think he could have had more nuance and openness in his transition to his newer stuff. The shift was very radical and the sudden rise to fame doesn´t help at all and just reinforces stereotypes. Creating a space for conversation or just simply saying goodbye to his old fans without any bad feelings would have been very helpful.
Respect. And couldn’t agree more. Religion is such a personal experience yet in the church we’re taught to cross a lot of personal boundaries at times when people choose something different.
Sure he could always do things better but he’s human. And it’s ok to make mistakes, every experience no matter how it looks on the outside can ultimately help us grow.
Personally, my worst experiences have helped me grow the most.
Just wishing him peace.
I’m not an active follower of many musicians to begin with but when I was looking for Christian music to like worship to a few years back I found some of his songs. They put me at ease. Although my worship playlist has changed up I still listen to his songs when I’m anxious at night and listening to UA-cam videos isn’t helping me rest. His music has honestly helped me a lot. Hopefully whatever is going on now God will see him through.
Breaks my heart ❤️ love Montell’s growth from back in the day and until recent years . Didn’t know he was dealing with these things . Well we all go through something at different times in our lives . When we break one sin we get attacked with another . It’s another time to conquer through Gods word and continue to trust in Gods process . Prayers for him during this rough time ❤!
I agree with you Ruslan to some extent. I think the issue is that we have "professional" Christians. Christians should be able to make music freely without worrying about every song being "wholesome". He could also be processing his feelings through his art, which I think is totally fine, because Christians who are not professionals also deal with things and it's nice to see that others also go through things. That's one of the reasons why I like NF's music. When Montell's stuff is released, then you can decide you want to continue to listen to his stuff. This backlash from Christians obsessively asking if he is Christian and telling him to get deliverance is pushing him farther away if he is in fact really struggling. This pushes real kids away from the gospel, the obsessive probing and holding people to unrealistic standards at all times. I think you should definitely Pray for him. Maybe ask if he is okay. Don't ask if he is Christian. Because what the comments are saying is that these people only like Montell while he is Christian, not because he is Montell. And that is an issue that often comes up. Do people only love others while they are Christian? We are supposed to love the sinner, the one who is struggling. I think he is exposing the unhealthy ways that Christians interact with the young generation and that should be a conversation we should be having as a church.
Did you actually watch this video?
Christian means little Christ. It’s NOT unreasonable for people to expect us to act accordingly. I’ve said nothing about Montell’s new direction until he lashed out. No it wasn’t warranted.
I never asked him if it was christian fyi. I did ask if he was okay.
@@RuslanKD I see where you’re coming from, but have to be honest with you. I don’t know either of you, and fell on this video so the fact that you were friendly with him and are making a public video about him just doesn’t sit right with me.
Ive been where he was and what hurt the most was hearing people who I was once friendly with talk about me when I wasn’t around because I left the church. Even if they were trying to be « helpful ». That is a violation too.
I get he may have violated his relationship by cursing and see what you’re trying to say but in some cases we can support others better with silence than having their names in our mouths.
It was my friends who never spoke Ill and just loved on me that brought me back to church.
Not trying to be mean, just share my opinion/experience.
Montell released a video called 15. It's a beautiful video that explains everything. Hope it helps a couple of you understand what he's going through and what's going on rn.
Thank you for speaking to this Ruslan. I do not see how hatred filled speech toward other Christians is bringing glory to Christ. We do not call out sin with further sinning. Let us pray for Montell and his work identifying with those Christian fans. Ultimately, there is one identifier in the Universal Church Christ Jesus (Ga 3:28).
i feel that’s the same road joseph solomon took. i personally think they need more earthly validation because they feel judged by the christian community but these creatives barely take into consideration that even the non-christian community judges people heavily.
seeing all this stuff unfold with him has been concering. but i still rock with him and pray he continues/returns to abide in Christ. David has a major moral downfall and got still call him “A man after my my own heart.” God can handle whatever he is going through❤
Guys.. it's hard to be Christian and an artist at the same time. This is because art purely comes from the heart and if you're going through a lot it comes from a dark place and the Christian community does nothing but judge. But this gift is also a curse. Just pray for ghost boy and welcome him back with full hearts. He'll come around. Stop judging y'all. Godbless and enjoy your day
That snippet fire by the way🔥🔥🔥
I first listened to Montell back in 2015 , my favorite song was dreams don’t sleep
Truthfully speaking as an artist, yes it’s ideal to say Christian fans shouldn’t hold him accountable but it’s unrealistic. As an artist you’re accountable to your fans that’s why you build a ‘brand’. Even secular artists live in accountability to their fans and don’t act carelessly so they don’t contradict their brand. But when it comes to the Christian community we shouldn’t hold accountable or question??!! I think that’s too much and an unrealistic expectation tbh.
Btw I do agree that praying for Montell and any others as such should be the priority, the first and major course of action cause a lot of us just talk. I’m just saying that the accountability part is not realistic, Christians are humans.
I think he battling between the Christian mindset and world mindset and may think he's using the world to get people save but in retrospect losing himself or he might he falling away but only God knows. I say pray for him 🙏
As a fan of Montell’s Christian music for years who plugged so many Christian friends to his music, I looked forward to seeing him perform in London, then the pandemic happened and cancelled it. When he finally did come, he no longer was singing those songs so it was unfortunate not to attend but it’s okay to not engage with his current content. I just pray that God’s perfect Will for him shall come to pass in his life🙏
“theres a time and place where you have the attention of the people,and you need to be direct!” - Ruslan 😳🤓 what a nugget bro.
You will know them by there fruits, praying for him. I hope he will find that love and fire that god once had in him again. All love ❤️
I’ve been listening to CHH for a long time maybe since 2008.
Some theses artists leave make posts like that. And act like the CHH community never had love for them. When some of us were supporting their music way before UA-cam and Spotify.
I think a lot of theses artists leave because of things the wrestling with themselves. But to all the fans let’s keep loving them.
Last time he posted on Lord’s Child was a year or more ago. Crazy how it’s going. Haven’t listened to him since 2020.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾
Prayers out for montell 🕊️
Psalm 118:8
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.
Remember to vouch for the glory of God not the glory of man. No one knows how God is to use Montell so let those who care for his salvation pray for him and not worry.
This is also a sign of the last days that people would be turning away from the faith in 1 Timothy 4:1. Him, Jonathan etc, it's clear that he is lost. He needs our prayers man. The church needs to pray for him earnestly. It hurts tho cuz his music played a big part early on in a lot of our walks with Christ. At least for me. Most importantly, we need to be showing him the love of Christ. Being pharisee-like is not only unhelpful but sinful. We need to continuously show him the love of Christ. For anyone that yk that has turned away from God, let this be a sign for you to start praying for them NOW, before it's too late. God bless y'all.
what if just evolving as an artist it dont mean his beliefs changed
if you support him then support if you dont then dont
I knew montell, for a split second lol We met up at his little meet up where he sold his shirts, We were starting to be friends in the CHH scene, I wasn't directly in his circle but my younger brother is in the CHH scene and him and montell were starting to hang out, I found out what was going on when my brother comes in my room shaking his head sadly and shows me the pictures and words.. We just prayed for the brother and hope he genuinely comes to the faith fully IF that is the issue - Again - we don't know.
We would love to let it go, But we can't ignore clear scripture "stay away from every appearance of evil" "be not unequally yoked - yes I believe this Can apply in careers (not every christian does) - Point is, their are clear fruit verses, Now if Montelll was just falling, stumbling , having issues, I GET THAT, I am struggling with some things RIGHT NOW, but my heart is right there with God crying out. Always crying out - Montells difference is he is accepting what he is doing, He is even cursing those who try to help. We are to love even our enemies, and he's cursing those who are to be his brothers, There is an issue here, A big one, We aren't trying to be his "accountability" buddies as if we are perfect, But I mean... The early church was beast mode, They'd kick you out for certain offenses, I wonder if I'd be kicked out! I'm FAR from perfect, But we can't be faulted for being worried about a salvation issue, Fruit etc. If we could all just Be what we wanted out here in the world... What would separate us? --- It's concerning and i think the issue is more we need to pray and let God reveal all things, as he alone knows all things. He knows the full parameters of a persons heart where WE fail.
Hope he is ok 🙏
I’ve been praying for him.
If someone shows you who they are .. believe them
I am montell’s father. And i used to bash the church and america trying to find the True God. I’ve walk away from traditional church and Ive found Him. I have relationship with God-Jehovah-Yahweh and I come to understand grace by God telling me that He is going to bring me into the house but my people is already there. Don’t bicker or be petty with My people because they are My People, as like you are My friend. They are my friend, too. I am your friend, Frederick. Now witness to the world as you are knowing that we all need mercy and we are all as filthy as dirty rags. Stop judging but be there friend. Turn your cheek ! Love Yes i still question montell if he is following God because I know the industry will try to change you. I was weak and walk away. Montell is strong and the conversation I had with him at his sister birthday Party the day before yesterday reassured me that he is A Man God !!! He said why you think that I am doing bad. And I reason in my head. I am a sinner but I dont want no one judging me as God. I shouldn’t think bad or project evil on someone else and just worry about myself and my weakness . Montell can’t be weak but he is strong enough to have done the things he has done by the grace of God. We all have the ability in us who walks in the will of God
If he's hurt, it will take time. It took me 5 years to heal from severe church hurt and get back to God.
I think it's crazy how these Christians throw so much judgement at other Christians and then they end up in situations like this smhhhhh
Matthew 7:15 You will know them by their fruits.. That pretty much says it all when it comes to us not knowing his intentions. Especially if you've known him as a "Christian friend" and you're getting ghosted!
I love montell. Watched all his videos for years when he was starting out, he really encouraged me in my walk with God a lot. Its hard watching someone like that fall away... He talked a lot about how God brought him outta a pretty dark place in the past and he was so joyful - no one wants to see him fall back into that kinda life again. Hope he keeps his eyes on Christ thru it all!
In a sense, Montell Fish stepped into Frank Ocean's shoes via UA-cam. During high school, people praised Montell Fish, which tempted me to listen to him. It became clear why his fans loved him after listening to the songs he produced. I found Ruslan's discussion of this topic incredibly intriguing, considering that others have addressed this issue from a personal perspective. It's a real honor to hear you speak about these matters, and I admire you.
“Brothers, if anyone is caught in any sin, you who are spiritual [that is, you who are responsive to the guidance of the Spirit] are to restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness [not with a sense of superiority or self-righteousness], keeping a watchful eye on yourself, so that you are not tempted as well.”
Galatians 6:1 AMP
Let’s be gentle,kind and loving. We don’t know what he is going through. Let’s pray for him and hope he will return to God🤍
Thank you SO much Ruslan for talking about this!!! I've been praying and thinking about all of this prior to this video. It's a blessing that you are using your platform to open the conversation and allowing vulnerability. Appreciate you!
I unfollowed him on ig. Love his new music still but him telling his Christian fans to f off isn't cool.
It saddens me that CHH artists I looked to as a up n comin CHH artist go from reppin GOD to falling off into the darkness like my bro Rockstar JT 😔
I'm on the rite path n I'm gonna stay on it but I pray 4 both montell n Rockstar n still show love like Jesus still do us 🙏🏾
Montell is amazing. I've checked in on his art off and on for the last few years. Amazing artist. Amazing mind. As we all have and will, he may be struggling a bit. As we eagerly await Jesus's return times can be "weighty". I pray that brother doesn't give up the faith.
I thought I was the only one thinking about this
Said "Mama, watch me dance. I could do it with my shoes off.."
As someone who specializes in avoiding advertisements even within videos this man can surely smoothly transition into what almost caught me a couple times🤣🤣
This video provides a thoughtful examination of the situation and some helpful considerations for fans of his music. I appreciate your approach to not to rush to judgement but also name what aspects are concerning. Then the best part is for those who are dissatisfied with his approach to tap out versus keep in engaging on social.
I've been concerned about him for the last few years. I thought it was just heartbreak but now I see its deeper. Praying both him and Joseph Solomon come back to their first love. I had no idea he was as mainstream famous as he is. God can draw them back.
The Fame might be getting to his head 😳 satan will offer u the world but the cost of the exchange will come at a great price. Praying for him 🙏
I first discovered Montell Fish in 2016. My favorite song is: Lost In Eternal Lights & Cold World.
FINALLY, we’re talking about it 🙃
Been watching you for a few years now. I'm so impressed with the way you have built your online brand. You have truly done a great job and are a great example for all Christ following creatives. Thank you for doing what you do
A clear case of being in two deep and struggling to get back out. He is so deep in that he thinks that's where he should be unapologetically. He needs Jesus. Because firstly no Christian/ Christian creative under biblical morality would use that profanity in addressing the children of God. Secondly this behavior falls in line with someone who has become addicted to a vice and isn't ready or willing to be freed from it🤷🏽♀️. So if he has good christian pple around him he stopped l2 them. This is a case of pride. Similar to what Kanye exhibited and is a symptom of fame🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
by the way…i LOVE montell…been listening to him for a few years. we dont know the glory God will get through his process.his music has always been from his heart and i know how real the struggle is..bless bro bro! ❤
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR A LONG TIME
I'm concerned and praying he doesn't head down the same path of Ecclesia/Cain Culto
Been following for a minute! Fell off and stopped watching your videos but I’m back! Your videos look incredible and I can’t wait for new music! Thank you for inspiring me Ruslan
We need to fast and pray him atp 😭💔
It’s sad, “his going back, to move forward” really helped me get through some stuff. Hope he gets through whatever he gets through
Boy definitely lost. Like most of us. We pray to find a way back.