Fabio you are the best. Love your channel so much. Can you tell more about subtimings and wich one are more important than others. I tweaked them myself. Found out that tfrc does a lot for smoothness in gaming. Lowered it from 720 to 430. B- Die can go even much lower. Can you make a video about that (subtimings)? thanks in advance!
I would like to see the APU/iGPU performance difference with the different ramspeeds instead of the descrete gpu difference which I think most people know that the difference wasnt gonna be big at all
@@AncientGameplays I know it is old but have you tried the timing 16-15-8-15-25@3800 1T geardown mode "Auto" on your viper steel with ryzen 5 5600x of course.
Hey Fabs. Thanks for this video man. I have a 5800x on my way like you recommended in one of my comments. I currently have a 3200mhz cl16 kit and I was going to upgrade to a 3600 cl16 kit. Now, it seems like it's not worth it. Gonna use the money instead to buy other games.
@@im_godness7990 I have gskill 2x8gb/CL14 on 3200. I dont know is there any need to change anything? every game works more than perfect.... rest is x570 MB, ryzen 5800x, rx5700xt....
I came across your channel and it helped me well. I am having a Ryzen 5800x with rx6800 XT GPU and a x570 steel MB. Current memory is T force delta RGB 3200mhz (cl16). This memory was cheap (80usd) for 16gb. After a year i was considering if an upgrade to am higher MHz is a better option. But based on your information i don't think i need to spend money on the upgrade. I wondered if paying 150usd or higher for 16gb is giving additional benifits (except 10 fps) I like your end comment that it is not justified. :) Great channel.
Obrigado pelas dicas! estou a montar um pc com uma b550 , ryzen 5600x e estou estava na duvida relativamente à RAM, agora estou 100% certo que o melhor é mesmo poupar algum cash e ir para uma 3200 cl16. Abraço !
My computer has 4 Kingston RAM strips, 8 gigabytes each, a total of 32 gigabytes with a base frequency of 3466. Factory timings 16,18,18,18,36 at 1.35 volts. I easily overclocked it to 3866, only slightly increasing the timings 16,19, 19, 19, 36 and the frequency to 1.37. Works great in conjunction with the Raisen 5600x processor, I think that it makes no sense to increase the RAM for this processor, although the same memory works fine at 4000 MHz and above, but the increase in performance is visible only in tests, and in games from 4000 MHz almost there is no use. Thank you for your tests, I've been watching you constantly for 2 years, you have the most useful information on processors and video cards from AMD, I'm from Ukraine
Just remember that just because it plays your games, doesn't mean it os stable. Test it properly with testmem5. Thank you for watching, big Hug and keep strong
I have 32gb of 3000 Crucial Ballistic and I was worried about it not being fast enough but I mostly play at 1440P and 4K so doesn't seem like a big deal. Great info.
I was always wondering whether to overclock my RAM from 3200 to 3600 or just leave it as is, and this video helped me decide! Thank you very much for the good work!
@@jessierabino Not at all. The potential loss of stability outweighs the potential performance gains (if any - at most 1-2FPS). It's much better to have a stable system than a system that will heat up easily, crash and likely corrupt your OS or important files. Always go for stability over hypothetical performance gains. The only overclocking for end user that makes sense is the one tested in labs - EXPO or XMP. The overclockers are after big numbers that are useless in practice, not after useful and practical machine. Also, bigger numbers don't necessarily mean better performance. You may also reduce the life span of your components with the additional heat and power. Considering all of that, it's definitely not worth it.
@jessierabino You are welcome. I would also add that at first, I was okay with some instability, but then when it crashed several times at times I didn't want to, and I don't know why (it was likely memory overheating), it then gets annoying pretty quickly. Since then, I left my RAM on XMP and my Ryzen on PBO enabled without a curve optimizer. I'd rather enjoy gameplay than watching that FPS at the top.
Yooo Dude! Nice stuff! BIG QUESTION: Just bought an 5600 (for super cheap 130 Euros) and a 6750 XT. Which Ram would you recommend? A friend told me get this: Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3733, CL17-21-21-41
@@AncientGameplays Yoo Dude! Thank you so much! Im really confused here sooo many opinions but you are the pro ^^ So you mean the Patriot DIMM 16 GB DDR4-4400 Kit 19-19-19-39 PVS416G440C9K (It costs 35 Euros more than the Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3733, CL17-21-21-41 ...............its 57 Euros vs. 92) Do you think thats worth it? Annnd is there an alternative? And....sorry many questions, is 4400 not a bit high for the 5600? : ) Im not a PC green horn but RAM is really not my expertise at allll haha ^^ Many people are saying 3600er Kits ar the "sweetspot" but I dont get it ^^ And what do you mean with "tweak it"? Sorry Im german, my english is not perfect! : )
I recently upgraded from a 5700g to a 5950x. I tuned and tuned until finally I ran at 4200 MTS with 1:1 frontside bus (2100)(Crucial MAX memory), yielding 45.1K in cpubenchmark with an ID Cooling SE-224 single-tower fan. I decided to upgrade to the hot new ThermalRight Phantom Spirit dual RGB tower and instantly got another 5% on cpubencmark (47500+). So your bottleneck might not be your RAM...
Yo dude, Im confused af..you gave me some tips but I dont know what to do with them nor what they mean for my hardware...Things like "tweak" or "a d guaranteed b die" I dont understand (Im not a native english). My understanding for XMP/DOCP is basically zero ^^ I know where to find it and how to click on it (activate it) but thats it ^^...Im scared using higher ram than 3600 for my Ryzen 5600, dont want to crash my PC or destroy the ram quickly ^^ So last question: What is the best and most easy take on the issue without becoming a skilled overclocker for ram at all? ^^ Thanks a lot man! (Just ordered a whole new PC but the ram is missing.. ^^)
Hey. Bdie is the best die (ram) you can get on ddr4. Getting that 4400Mhz kit you get guaranteed bdie. Then you buy that kit, go to bios and select 3733MHz with something like 16 16 16 16 36 timings and call it a day 💪
Came across this video since I am thinking about upgrading my ram speed, can't believe that huge differences in dota2 between 3000mhz and 3600mhz, really worth a try. Thanks for video
Yoo Dude! Thank you so much! Im really confused here sooo many opinions but you are the pro ^^ So you mean the Patriot DIMM 16 GB DDR4-4400 Kit 19-19-19-39 PVS416G440C9K (It costs 35 Euros more than the Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3733, CL17-21-21-41 ...............its 57 Euros vs. 92) Do you think thats worth it? Annnd is there an alternative? And....sorry many questions, is 4400 not a bit high for the 5600, I read that the Ryzen 5 Series cant really handle RAM over 4000? : ) Im not a PC green horn but RAM is really not my expertise at allll haha ^^ Many people are saying 3600er Kits ar the "sweetspot" but I dont get it ^^ And what do you mean with "tweak it"? Sorry Im german, my english is not perfect! : )
@@AncientGameplays What means "die guaranteed"? And my english is not the best, "tweak"? So I put in the 4400 but lower it down to 3733? Im confuuused, as I said RAM is not my expertise ^^ Thank you so much dude!
Nice information video, I upgraded to a Ry5 5600x for 1440p RX 6700xt gaming but had to use a 3400g in the initial build. I just bought Crucial Ballistix 4x8MB 3200 cl 16 in a deal with an AM4 mobo, so the XMP timings were an oc for the orginal APU (officially supports 2933 but mine seemed happy on 3200). It's nice to know I don't need to bother with Thaiphoon Burner and DRAM calculator to tweak the settings. I always suspected that Zen3 architectural improvements would reduce the sensitivity to memory latency with the unified 8 core CCX cache as in my experience programming, even weak Jaguar cores were able to process data very fast so long as the working set fitted in the L3 cache and hot data in L2, because of speculative loading of cacheline size units. The 5600x gives more cache per core than the 5800x too and having 2 inactive cores must be easier thermally, every time I was tempted to go for more than 6 core price/performance told me otherwise. :)
Well, my 5600x with my G.skill 3200 Mhz cl16 are not that bad after all ! Thanks Fabio for the job;) I hope to find a 6700xt ... for now my Vega 56 with your overclock profile works pretty well !
Wonder why the amount of Ram Usage between the two systems differs so much. One system sometimes uses considerably more RAM than the other. Especially interesting for the games that ran integrated benchmarks.
Hello, I know it's a bit late to ask but I'll get to the point, what ram memories do you recommend for a ryzen 7 5700x and an asus rog strix x470? Sorry to google translator: v Cheers!
While that is true, I think these games (online mutiplayers and MMO's) have the biggest impact on ram speed/timing because these games are very CPU limited. Even my 5800x uses 100% on cores while running Battlefield games for example. Now it won't impact the avg FPS that much on 1440p but it will prob make some big improvement in 1% lows which is actually way more important than avg fps. It's impossible to find any benchmarks on this because like you said it's not a replayable test so you will have variations because each game is different. But that does not mean that you can take random benchmarks of other games to be representative. For example, I now have 3200mhz cl14 but I really wonder if 3800cl14 would be much better in terms off 1% lows in games like Warzone and Battlefield because these games are heavy CPU based. What's your view on this?
@@AncientGameplays I just over clocked my Crucial 3200 CL16-18-18-36 E-die to 3600 CL16-18-18-38 and it runs stable with my 3700X and B550 Tomahawk. Thanks for your advice and encouragement. Now to try my Samsung B-die kit.
so i don't need to worry about getting better ram (32GB 3600 cas 18 22 22 42) when i upgrade my mobo and cpu now, thanks man. less spending and less stress is always good.
Hey man, 18-22-22-22-42 for 3600MHz is not that great, you should tweak those timings a bit (i have a video of how to OC ram in 2021). And remember that older gen CPUs are more sensitive to RAM/IF
Hi Fabio thanks for the video. I still Mount a kit from g skill DDR4 3200mhz cl16 (trident z specific for ryzen) bought for my old cpu 2600x, now im mounting a 5600x. Do you think its worth uograding with a 3600 / 3800 mhz kit? I will see a good improvement in fps?
3800mhz with tight timings is the best, i get the same cinebench score as with 4400mhz cl 18 but feels faster and more responsive no stutters ingame which i got with 4400
how much of an impact it would be if I decidce to upgrade the CPU on a B350 chipset motherboard, and using a 2666mhz kit compared to a 3200 or 3600? The reason for this is because, due to stability, I usually prefer to use ram kits that are either part of the QVL of the motherboard, or if the module manufacturer lists is as compatible in their Ram Configurator sites. But aside from that, the B350 board I have does not list 3200 or 3600, and the highest listed QVL reaches only up to 2933 (3000). extra info, the board in question is the Asrock AB350M Pro4 rev1, with an R5 1600. Thinking of upgrading on the same board with either R5 5600 (x) or R7 5800X3D.
Hey man, stability issues were overcome years ago, dont even bother...keep your mobo ans upgrade CPU. Get at least 3200 cl16 will work flawlessly unless from a really shitty brand
i had my 3200mhz ram running in 2133 mhz for over a year lmao! i didnt know i needed to change the bios settings and man it felt like my pc was 2x faster once i did that lol
Great video! Just a question for you, do you think upgrading from r5 3600 to r7 5800x would be worth it? I'm running a 3070 with 32gb of ram(3200mhz cl16) on ultrawide 144hz monitor and the only things I do is gaming and web browsing.
I'm looking to make the jump to 3800-4000 for a vr build I'm trying to squeeze a bit out of a 5700x3d on a x570, which would you currently recommend? I'm trying to iron out "late cpu frames" so basically fix 1% lows. Every bit helps!
Those are crazy low temps with a 5600X, how do you do it? I have a fairly well ventilated case and a 240mm watercooler but my CPU is often reaching 70~75c when gaming.
Hey Fabio da man, great video as always :) I have gskill 2x8gb/CL14 on 3200. I dont know is there any need to change anything? every game works more than perfect.... the rest of machine is x570 MB, ryzen 5800x, rx5700xt.... nothing is overclocked, except rx5700xt is a bit undervolted....
Thanks for this video, I would exchange my 3200 cl16 kit for one of 3800 cl17 hoping to have more performance in PUBG, I have a 5600x but it was clear that the amount spent for almost nothing is not worth it.
What is your opinion of the RAM used with Ryzen 5800X. I have a B-Die kit of 3200Mhz CL14, but i can OC then to 3600Mhz CL16 , or 3800Mhz CL18 and 4000Mhz CL19. So what is the BEST Mhz to run it?
why are the looser timings consistently better than the tighter timings? shouldnt the lower numbers perform better? does that mean the tight timings were unstable? or does that thing in brackets after the timings mean something that explains it.
Thank you for this video. There is one think I'd like to know - how ram affects low fps (50-70) situations?? Like I have 5600 + 4060 + 2666cl16 tuned to 3200 cl16-20-20-38 without secondary timings. So in Cyberpunk there are places where 5600 bottlenecks even 4060, and in DLC it can even drop below 60 fps because of that. So I wonder if I get 3600cl18 or cl16 will my fps be better and more stable and how much better (i.e. is it worth the money) ?
Ancient gameplay your the best. Im sorry for all the bad words that came put from my mouth. Your legit. Your the best video creator indeed. I will follow you always keep in touch. Thank you so much wid deeply apology
i read some of the comments and i think the best option for 5600x will be 4000mhz with cl14, cl 15, or cl16. Do i think correctly? I'd personally choose the 4000mhz cl16 because of the price difference between cl14 and cl16. I'm buying 5600x, b550 aorus elite and RAM in the near future and it'd be nice if you answered me, thanks.
And if i buy, will i have to do something with speed and latency in bios for the best performance or the 4000mhz cl16 will just be the best settings for 5600x?
Boa peguei uma Asus crosshair viii formula e por enquanto tenho o 5600x e vi uma opurtunidade de umas rams a 4000mhz cl14 achas que é compatível para ter em 1:1 ratio ja vi pessoal a dizer que tinha problemas com estas velocidades mas outros que já foram ainda mais tou um bocado indeciso por não saber se vai dar. Keep the good work 😉
Viva, é possível, mas sinceramente não compensa, ainda mais com o DDR5 agora. Na minha opinião, pegas nesse dinheiro, mantens a tua RAM e compras um R7 5800x3D e aumentas a performance para outro nível
@@AncientGameplays eu por enquanto nao tenho problemas com o cpu bottlenecks mas reparei que os meus 1%lows as vezes sao muito baixos comparado a outras benchmarks no momento tou com 3200cl 16 e por isso que estava a pensar ir para 4000cl14 e ainda por cima encontrei a 100 euros o que nao e nada cara para a raridade desta ram xD enquanto o 5800x3d esta ainda por volta dos 400 e ddr5 teria de comprar outra motherboard cpu ram ddr5 que acho que nao tera vantagem sobre esta ddr4 por enquanto e vi outros videos com a mesma motherboard que eu a ir a 4800mhz cl 14 o que seria muito bom em termos de reposta/velocidade e com o preco que gastei neste pc nao tou a pensar mudar para outra generacao assim tao cedo penso que ate as proximas consolas sairem os jogos tem de ser compativeis com o hardware delas ou seja estou tranquilo por um tempo acho eu xD vou aproveitar e mesmo assim vou provavelmente ver um video teu a comparar o 5600x com o 5800x3d a ver as diferencas talvez daqui o um tempo penserei em mudar. Obrigado pelo teu tempo e pela tua opiniao humilde👍
Fabio, I am looking at moving from 2 x 8gb @ 3000mhz (my old ram from when I had a R5 2600) to 2 x 16gb with a higher mhz for my 5600x. What RAM is best for me? I am also going to upgrade from b450 to b550.
nice! i had a set of 4x8 corsair vengeance pro RGB 3200 CL16 ram for my intel 11700KF my intel cpu and mobo fried (fucking intel) swapped to a 5600x I was debating on upgrading to 3600mhz ram, but you've shown me the way definitely just sticking with what i have :)
What is your opinion on ram abundance? Meaning a game is using for example 12gb ram, will 32 gb ram have a difference in game compared to16gb assuming same settings and timings?
its glue because it adds latency to ryzen cpus, you barely ever see anyone who actually knows about memory latency and input lag use a ryzen. Theres a reason many esports professionals still use intel
I have a kingston fury renegade rgb 3600cl16 with ryzen 5 5600x and asrock b450 steel legend mb. the memory gives errors in memtest on 3600 but works perfectly on 3000 cl15. Do you have any clue what can i do with this to make it work on 3600?
I have rog strix b550 e gaming and r5 5600x. I have 4x8 32gb Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO ''SL'' 3600MHz CL16. But I'm using with overclock 3800MHz/Flck 1900MHz CL 14 15 8 12 21 with 1.50v.This new rams are so good. They have real Samsung B Die. But I can't do more than Flck 1900.i think 1900 is limit for 5600x or I can't do more because of I'm using 4 slot ram. But I wanna ask something. Should I do 4000mhz when Flck 1900 is same?
@@AncientGameplays ohh I understand. When I play game long time rams temp max 40 41. And I tested with Memtest64 for stability 45 min after I play game long hours 1 week. I think it's very stable. So should I keep my setting like this 3800mhz Flck 1900 CL14? Is this best oc settings for me?
@@titusturk5496 4000MHz with 1900fclk would actually bring you less performance due to them not being at 1:1. Try testmem5 and see if you get no errors. I have the link on my how to overclock ram in 2021 video
Hope you guys enjoy this video since it too a lot of time to do it :D
Fabio you are the best. Love your channel so much. Can you tell more about subtimings and wich one are more important than others. I tweaked them myself. Found out that tfrc does a lot for smoothness in gaming. Lowered it from 720 to 430. B- Die can go even much lower. Can you make a video about that (subtimings)? thanks in advance!
very much appreciated fabio
thanks man
I would like to see the APU/iGPU performance difference with the different ramspeeds instead of the descrete gpu difference which I think most people know that the difference wasnt gonna be big at all
@@billkillernic I have a really old video with that for the 2400G I believe
Appreciate the time you put into this comparison, easily the best one I've seen online for Ryzen 5000
Thank you
Thank you. Actually no one talked about this and your work is so professional and neat.
Yep, I like how the data was tabled and presented. The timing given is also a good thing, I tighten up my timing here.
Good explanation. I was thinking of pairing a fast ram with 5600x but went for 3200 MHz with 5800x. No complaints.
Thanks for the test Fabio, now I no longer feels bad about my cheap RAM :p :D
Thanks for watching :D
Thanks for the test Fabio, now I feel bad about my not so cheap $500 RAM :P ;)
@@spavatch hahahha
@@AncientGameplays I know it is old but have you tried the timing 16-15-8-15-25@3800 1T geardown mode "Auto" on your viper steel with ryzen 5 5600x of course.
Hey Fabs. Thanks for this video man. I have a 5800x on my way like you recommended in one of my comments. I currently have a 3200mhz cl16 kit and I was going to upgrade to a 3600 cl16 kit. Now, it seems like it's not worth it. Gonna use the money instead to buy other games.
Just oc them, i got from 3200 to 4000mt/s with
@@im_godness7990 I have gskill 2x8gb/CL14 on 3200. I dont know is there any need to change anything? every game works more than perfect.... rest is x570 MB, ryzen 5800x, rx5700xt....
You can do it, but you won't get that much more Performance from it
I came across your channel and it helped me well.
I am having a Ryzen 5800x with rx6800 XT GPU and a x570 steel MB.
Current memory is T force delta RGB 3200mhz (cl16). This memory was cheap (80usd) for 16gb. After a year i was considering if an upgrade to am higher MHz is a better option.
But based on your information i don't think i need to spend money on the upgrade. I wondered if paying 150usd or higher for 16gb is giving additional benifits (except 10 fps)
I like your end comment that it is not justified. :)
Great channel.
No way you think 80usd is cheap even tho this was 2 years ago when prices were high, 80usd is still pretty expensive especially for 3200mhz
Obrigado pelas dicas! estou a montar um pc com uma b550 , ryzen 5600x e estou estava na duvida relativamente à RAM, agora estou 100% certo que o melhor é mesmo poupar algum cash e ir para uma 3200 cl16. Abraço !
Viva, abraço 💪
Very informative. Information is easily digested and we'll presented. Thank you for the great job!
Thank you
My computer has 4 Kingston RAM strips, 8 gigabytes each, a total of 32 gigabytes with a base frequency of 3466. Factory timings 16,18,18,18,36 at 1.35 volts. I easily overclocked it to 3866, only slightly increasing the timings 16,19, 19, 19, 36 and the frequency to 1.37. Works great in conjunction with the Raisen 5600x processor, I think that it makes no sense to increase the RAM for this processor, although the same memory works fine at 4000 MHz and above, but the increase in performance is visible only in tests, and in games from 4000 MHz almost there is no use. Thank you for your tests, I've been watching you constantly for 2 years, you have the most useful information on processors and video cards from AMD, I'm from Ukraine
Just remember that just because it plays your games, doesn't mean it os stable. Test it properly with testmem5.
Thank you for watching, big Hug and keep strong
Great job! Saved me a ton a money as I've been trying to decide between 3600 and 4400 $81 vs $197 for 16gb crucial kits
197 for 4400 is too much. Get patriot viper 4400 cl19, pretty cheap :D
I have 32gb of 3000 Crucial Ballistic and I was worried about it not being fast enough but I mostly play at 1440P and 4K so doesn't seem like a big deal. Great info.
Thanks, it will be fine. But you can tey pushing it a bit
@Pro Koks I didn't even think about that. Thanks for the tip.
I was always wondering whether to overclock my RAM from 3200 to 3600 or just leave it as is, and this video helped me decide! Thank you very much for the good work!
so its worth it ?
@@jessierabino Not at all. The potential loss of stability outweighs the potential performance gains (if any - at most 1-2FPS). It's much better to have a stable system than a system that will heat up easily, crash and likely corrupt your OS or important files. Always go for stability over hypothetical performance gains. The only overclocking for end user that makes sense is the one tested in labs - EXPO or XMP. The overclockers are after big numbers that are useless in practice, not after useful and practical machine. Also, bigger numbers don't necessarily mean better performance. You may also reduce the life span of your components with the additional heat and power. Considering all of that, it's definitely not worth it.
@@alexnik1181 i see thx on this
@jessierabino You are welcome. I would also add that at first, I was okay with some instability, but then when it crashed several times at times I didn't want to, and I don't know why (it was likely memory overheating), it then gets annoying pretty quickly. Since then, I left my RAM on XMP and my Ryzen on PBO enabled without a curve optimizer. I'd rather enjoy gameplay than watching that FPS at the top.
@@jessierabino Without proper knowledge of how to do that just stick to EXPO/XMP (DOCP also called for Asus boards).
your channel is so so helpful. Thank you for all your AMD advice the game play has been amazing with your help
And thanks you for watching
thanks, great comparisons and conclusion!
Thank you :D
"Je suis bien ici".
J'étais impressionné par cette vidéo, Fabío.
❤️❤️
Merci beaucoup mon ami :D
@@AncientGameplays je t'en pris
Yooo Dude! Nice stuff! BIG QUESTION: Just bought an 5600 (for super cheap 130 Euros) and a 6750 XT. Which Ram would you recommend? A friend told me get this: Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3733, CL17-21-21-41
Nope, just get the 4400 cl19 kit. Cheap, great a d guaranteed b die. Then you tweak it 💪💪
@@AncientGameplays Yoo Dude! Thank you so much! Im really confused here sooo many opinions but you are the pro ^^ So you mean the Patriot DIMM 16 GB DDR4-4400 Kit 19-19-19-39 PVS416G440C9K
(It costs 35 Euros more than the Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3733, CL17-21-21-41 ...............its 57 Euros vs. 92)
Do you think thats worth it? Annnd is there an alternative? And....sorry many questions, is 4400 not a bit high for the 5600? : ) Im not a PC green horn but RAM is really not my expertise at allll haha ^^ Many people are saying 3600er Kits ar the "sweetspot" but I dont get it ^^ And what do you mean with "tweak it"? Sorry Im german, my english is not perfect! : )
this video deserves way more likes !
good job ancient gameplays :-)
Thank you!
Fantastic video!!!
It might have been a good idea to do a graph of the 7 or 8 game average you did during the conclusion though.
I might do it later :D
Yeah. Too much subscriber but cant be trusted. Give me back money you and gvmall are scammers bro.
Awesome content, Fabio! Thank you!.
Thank you dor watching!
Helped me out a lot thanks!
the exact vid i was looking for thanks!
You're welcome :D
I recently upgraded from a 5700g to a 5950x. I tuned and tuned until finally I ran at 4200 MTS with 1:1 frontside bus (2100)(Crucial MAX memory), yielding 45.1K in cpubenchmark with an ID Cooling SE-224 single-tower fan. I decided to upgrade to the hot new ThermalRight Phantom Spirit dual RGB tower and instantly got another 5% on cpubencmark (47500+). So your bottleneck might not be your RAM...
You could introduce multimedia benchmarks like photoediting, file loading/writing, video compiling. There you would see some interesting differences.
I believe the differences would be even lower
@@AncientGameplays possible, worth a try maybe
Yo dude, Im confused af..you gave me some tips but I dont know what to do with them nor what they mean for my hardware...Things like "tweak" or "a d guaranteed b die" I dont understand (Im not a native english). My understanding for XMP/DOCP is basically zero ^^ I know where to find it and how to click on it (activate it) but thats it ^^...Im scared using higher ram than 3600 for my Ryzen 5600, dont want to crash my PC or destroy the ram quickly ^^
So last question: What is the best and most easy take on the issue without becoming a skilled overclocker for ram at all? ^^ Thanks a lot man! (Just ordered a whole new PC but the ram is missing.. ^^)
Hey. Bdie is the best die (ram) you can get on ddr4. Getting that 4400Mhz kit you get guaranteed bdie. Then you buy that kit, go to bios and select 3733MHz with something like 16 16 16 16 36 timings and call it a day 💪
great vid, thanks!
Thanks for watching
I was about to upgrade from 3200 MHz CL16 to 4400 MHz CL19 or 4000 MHz CL18 but your video stopped me from doing so. Thank you
Finally a video where i can understand ram frequencies thanks you buddy
You're welcome my friend
Came across this video since I am thinking about upgrading my ram speed, can't believe that huge differences in dota2 between 3000mhz and 3600mhz, really worth a try. Thanks for video
Yoo Dude! Thank you so much! Im really confused here sooo many opinions but you are the pro ^^ So you mean the Patriot DIMM 16 GB DDR4-4400 Kit 19-19-19-39 PVS416G440C9K
(It costs 35 Euros more than the Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3733, CL17-21-21-41 ...............its 57 Euros vs. 92)
Do you think thats worth it? Annnd is there an alternative? And....sorry many questions, is 4400 not a bit high for the 5600, I read that the Ryzen 5 Series cant really handle RAM over 4000? : ) Im not a PC green horn but RAM is really not my expertise at allll haha ^^ Many people are saying 3600er Kits ar the "sweetspot" but I dont get it ^^ And what do you mean with "tweak it"? Sorry Im german, my english is not perfect! : )
Definitely worth it as it is the best rsm you can get for that price and its b die guaranteed. Meaning 3733MHz with low timings will be easy to tweak
@@AncientGameplays What means "die guaranteed"? And my english is not the best, "tweak"? So I put in the 4400 but lower it down to 3733? Im confuuused, as I said RAM is not my expertise ^^ Thank you so much dude!
Nice information video, I upgraded to a Ry5 5600x for 1440p RX 6700xt gaming but had to use a 3400g in the initial build. I just bought Crucial Ballistix 4x8MB 3200 cl 16 in a deal with an AM4 mobo, so the XMP timings were an oc for the orginal APU (officially supports 2933 but mine seemed happy on 3200). It's nice to know I don't need to bother with Thaiphoon Burner and DRAM calculator to tweak the settings.
I always suspected that Zen3 architectural improvements would reduce the sensitivity to memory latency with the unified 8 core CCX cache as in my experience programming, even weak Jaguar cores were able to process data very fast so long as the working set fitted in the L3 cache and hot data in L2, because of speculative loading of cacheline size units. The 5600x gives more cache per core than the 5800x too and having 2 inactive cores must be easier thermally, every time I was tempted to go for more than 6 core price/performance told me otherwise. :)
The "official support" is nothing bit the native IMC frequency, doesn't mean it can't go higher :D
the 5600x has more cache??
@@Cricketmane more cache per core, 35/6 vs 36/8
Very nice thorough breakdown of the information...I have settled for 3800 MHz 32 GB ram kit, hopefully I can find it.
Nice work dude :-)
Thanks
So happy i found your channel
Thank you very much
Well, my 5600x with my G.skill 3200 Mhz cl16 are not that bad after all ! Thanks Fabio for the job;) I hope to find a 6700xt ... for now my Vega 56 with your overclock profile works pretty well !
I want one to test also :D
Chuck an undervolt on your 5600X as well man I've brought temps down by 10 degrees with no impact on performance with mine
Great job, well-presented video, hope you get more subs you deserve them...
thank you ,thank you and thank you for adding your timings .
You're welcome
@@AncientGameplays have you seen or had any test with the 2400 cl 10 ? im very curious ...
I was analyzing the data seriously when "less lag means a bigger dick" made me burst out laughing
Hahahha 💪💪🤣
Thank you so much man
Wonder why the amount of Ram Usage between the two systems differs so much. One system sometimes uses considerably more RAM than the other.
Especially interesting for the games that ran integrated benchmarks.
Great video, very informative! Merci!
You're very welcome
Great! Thank you!
You're welcome
Really nice review, thanks )
Thanks for watching
Thank you, very helpful.
your voice is so calm, i like
Thank you
thank you great info
Thanks for watching
still useful thanks bro
Hello, I know it's a bit late to ask but I'll get to the point, what ram memories do you recommend for a ryzen 7 5700x and an asus rog strix x470?
Sorry to google translator: v
Cheers!
Get a 2x8 patriot viper 4400 cl19 kit. It is cheap and it is Samsung B die guaranteed
@@AncientGameplays but it does not have rgb I think :v
Thanks for the test
Thanks for watching
otimo video, claro e objetivo sem enrolação, sou novo no seu canal mas está ajudando muito..
Fico contente que goste!
Loving your videos, Dude! I just wish you could add Call of Duty Warzone to your Games List Test. Ty again!
Hey man, thanks. Any multiplayer online game with no replay feature is almost impossible to test properly due to game deviations. That is why
While that is true, I think these games (online mutiplayers and MMO's) have the biggest impact on ram speed/timing because these games are very CPU limited. Even my 5800x uses 100% on cores while running Battlefield games for example. Now it won't impact the avg FPS that much on 1440p but it will prob make some big improvement in 1% lows which is actually way more important than avg fps.
It's impossible to find any benchmarks on this because like you said it's not a replayable test so you will have variations because each game is different. But that does not mean that you can take random benchmarks of other games to be representative. For example, I now have 3200mhz cl14 but I really wonder if 3800cl14 would be much better in terms off 1% lows in games like Warzone and Battlefield because these games are heavy CPU based. What's your view on this?
3years late ... looks like baseline DD4-3200 CL16 is still the best bang for the buck in 2024. Thanks
Good video bro. I run 3200MHz CL14-14-14-34 Samsung B-die in all of my gaming rigs intel or Ryzen.
Nice, then you can actually go to 3600 or 3800MHz easily :D
@@AncientGameplays I'm gonna try. I don't overclock my RAM but MSI boards have the Memory Try it! on all their boards.
@@AncientGameplays I just over clocked my Crucial 3200 CL16-18-18-36 E-die to 3600 CL16-18-18-38 and it runs stable with my 3700X and B550 Tomahawk. Thanks for your advice and encouragement. Now to try my Samsung B-die kit.
Well done, buddy
Thank you
so i don't need to worry about getting better ram (32GB 3600 cas 18 22 22 42) when i upgrade my mobo and cpu now, thanks man. less spending and less stress is always good.
Hey man, 18-22-22-22-42 for 3600MHz is not that great, you should tweak those timings a bit (i have a video of how to OC ram in 2021). And remember that older gen CPUs are more sensitive to RAM/IF
@@AncientGameplays hi, i got ryzen 5 5600x, 18-22-22-22-42 16GB ram,and b450m . what should the best freqquencies? 3800 will be ok?
Hi Fabio thanks for the video. I still Mount a kit from g skill DDR4 3200mhz cl16 (trident z specific for ryzen) bought for my old cpu 2600x, now im mounting a 5600x. Do you think its worth uograding with a 3600 / 3800 mhz kit? I will see a good improvement in fps?
Nah, as you can see, you're fine. Watch the results 💪💪
3800mhz with tight timings is the best, i get the same cinebench score as with 4400mhz cl 18 but feels faster and more responsive no stutters ingame which i got with 4400
3800mhz with which CL?
Excelente trabajo!!! 👌
Gracias
Interesting video i learned something new.
Great :D
@@AncientGameplays I´ll stick with my 3200mhz cl14 (samsung B-die).
@@swordfishffm And OC the Hell of it ,)
how much of an impact it would be if I decidce to upgrade the CPU on a B350 chipset motherboard, and using a 2666mhz kit compared to a 3200 or 3600? The reason for this is because, due to stability, I usually prefer to use ram kits that are either part of the QVL of the motherboard, or if the module manufacturer lists is as compatible in their Ram Configurator sites. But aside from that, the B350 board I have does not list 3200 or 3600, and the highest listed QVL reaches only up to 2933 (3000). extra info, the board in question is the Asrock AB350M Pro4 rev1, with an R5 1600. Thinking of upgrading on the same board with either R5 5600 (x) or R7 5800X3D.
Hey man, stability issues were overcome years ago, dont even bother...keep your mobo ans upgrade CPU. Get at least 3200 cl16 will work flawlessly unless from a really shitty brand
Get the 5800X3D and don't look back for years
i had my 3200mhz ram running in 2133 mhz for over a year lmao! i didnt know i needed to change the bios settings and man it felt like my pc was 2x faster once i did that lol
I know right? XD
Great video! Just a question for you, do you think upgrading from r5 3600 to r7 5800x would be worth it? I'm running a 3070 with 32gb of ram(3200mhz cl16) on ultrawide 144hz monitor and the only things I do is gaming and web browsing.
Yeap, WAY more cores and overall performance. Well worth it IMO
@@AncientGameplays thank you for the answer my friend!
I'm looking to make the jump to 3800-4000 for a vr build I'm trying to squeeze a bit out of a 5700x3d on a x570, which would you currently recommend? I'm trying to iron out "late cpu frames" so basically fix 1% lows. Every bit helps!
Thanks!!
You're welcome
Those are crazy low temps with a 5600X, how do you do it? I have a fairly well ventilated case and a 240mm watercooler but my CPU is often reaching 70~75c when gaming.
Hey Fabio da man, great video as always :) I have gskill 2x8gb/CL14 on 3200. I dont know is there any need to change anything? every game works more than perfect.... the rest of machine is x570 MB, ryzen 5800x, rx5700xt.... nothing is overclocked, except rx5700xt is a bit undervolted....
3200 cl14 is the golden standard 💪💪
@@AncientGameplays so, you think, nothing to be changed? :)
any performance increase is worth it even if you buy cheaper ram and overclock it... thats what this video really shows..
Pas mal le t-shirt français « je suis bien ici »
XD
I upgrade my ram from 3200 c16 to 4000mhz c15 with the fclk at 2000 with my 5600x and it worth it.
On warzone ive got a gain of 15 fps average.
Thanks for this video, I would exchange my 3200 cl16 kit for one of 3800 cl17 hoping to have more performance in PUBG, I have a 5600x but it was clear that the amount spent for almost nothing is not worth it.
Yeap, compra um kit 3200MHz CL14 e dá OC (sendo que são B-die), ou vais ao site Alternate.DE e mandas vir um kit 4400MHz CL19 como o meu :D
Right now it’s not but you’re future proofing your performance. Anything you buy that saves you tomorrow is worth it.
I have a 5600x with 4000 gskill. And soon a 3000 gpu to go along with it
@@TloRompo there is no such thing as future proofing.
Which ram speed would you recommend with a Ryzen 1600AF. Would it be 3200MHz and try overclock or 3600MHz and try lower the speeds?
that CPU will only reach 3600Mhz if the RAM kit uses Samsung B-Die, so just use 3200MHz CL16, cheap and enough
@@AncientGameplays thank you!
Your content is so good, I wish you had more products and time to make more content.🙃
I really enjoy your videos man.👌🏻🤗
Thanks!!
What is your opinion of the RAM used with Ryzen 5800X. I have a B-Die kit of 3200Mhz CL14, but i can OC then to 3600Mhz CL16 , or 3800Mhz CL18 and 4000Mhz CL19. So what is the BEST Mhz to run it?
I would use it at 3733MHz with the lowest timings possible
why are the looser timings consistently better than the tighter timings? shouldnt the lower numbers perform better? does that mean the tight timings were unstable? or does that thing in brackets after the timings mean something that explains it.
Thank you for this video. There is one think I'd like to know - how ram affects low fps (50-70) situations??
Like I have 5600 + 4060 + 2666cl16 tuned to 3200 cl16-20-20-38 without secondary timings. So in Cyberpunk there are places where 5600 bottlenecks even 4060, and in DLC it can even drop below 60 fps because of that. So I wonder if I get 3600cl18 or cl16 will my fps be better and more stable and how much better (i.e. is it worth the money) ?
So if I have a 5 5600 cpu with ddr4 ram at 4000mhz, is it better to leave the fclk on auto?
Ancient gameplay your the best. Im sorry for all the bad words that came put from my mouth. Your legit. Your the best video creator indeed. I will follow you always keep in touch. Thank you so much wid deeply apology
Ty very much . I have i911gen Asus Rog Strix z590 3080ti . What RAM is best for this setup? 2x 16 Cl14 3200?
That would be awesome, but maybe not justifiable for that much money
i read some of the comments and i think the best option for 5600x will be 4000mhz with cl14, cl 15, or cl16. Do i think correctly? I'd personally choose the 4000mhz cl16 because of the price difference between cl14 and cl16. I'm buying 5600x, b550 aorus elite and RAM in the near future and it'd be nice if you answered me, thanks.
And if i buy, will i have to do something with speed and latency in bios for the best performance or the 4000mhz cl16 will just be the best settings for 5600x?
Boa peguei uma Asus crosshair viii formula e por enquanto tenho o 5600x e vi uma opurtunidade de umas rams a 4000mhz cl14 achas que é compatível para ter em 1:1 ratio ja vi pessoal a dizer que tinha problemas com estas velocidades mas outros que já foram ainda mais tou um bocado indeciso por não saber se vai dar.
Keep the good work 😉
Viva, é possível, mas sinceramente não compensa, ainda mais com o DDR5 agora. Na minha opinião, pegas nesse dinheiro, mantens a tua RAM e compras um R7 5800x3D e aumentas a performance para outro nível
@@AncientGameplays eu por enquanto nao tenho problemas com o cpu bottlenecks mas reparei que os meus 1%lows as vezes sao muito baixos comparado a outras benchmarks no momento tou com 3200cl 16 e por isso que estava a pensar ir para 4000cl14 e ainda por cima encontrei a 100 euros o que nao e nada cara para a raridade desta ram xD enquanto o 5800x3d esta ainda por volta dos 400 e ddr5 teria de comprar outra motherboard cpu ram ddr5 que acho que nao tera vantagem sobre esta ddr4 por enquanto e vi outros videos com a mesma motherboard que eu a ir a 4800mhz cl 14 o que seria muito bom em termos de reposta/velocidade e com o preco que gastei neste pc nao tou a pensar mudar para outra generacao assim tao cedo penso que ate as proximas consolas sairem os jogos tem de ser compativeis com o hardware delas ou seja estou tranquilo por um tempo acho eu xD vou aproveitar e mesmo assim vou provavelmente ver um video teu a comparar o 5600x com o 5800x3d a ver as diferencas talvez daqui o um tempo penserei em mudar.
Obrigado pelo teu tempo e pela tua opiniao humilde👍
Idk, videos like these makes it seem like ddr5 ram won't be that crazy...
DDR5 has WAY more bandwidth :D
Fabio, I am looking at moving from 2 x 8gb @ 3000mhz (my old ram from when I had a R5 2600) to 2 x 16gb with a higher mhz for my 5600x. What RAM is best for me? I am also going to upgrade from b450 to b550.
Get a patriot viper 4400 cl19 kit since they're cheap and run it at 3733MHz with the lowest timing you can
@@AncientGameplays thank you champ!
I currently have 16gb of corsair 3000mhz. I found a cheap used Patriot Viper 16Gb DDR4 4000Mhz for 50euros. Do you think it's worth the upgrade?
Yeap, it is
Pls tell me dude🤗, A B450 TOMHOWK MAX. IS GOOD FOR R5 5600X AND PCIE 4.0 GPUS. ANY FPS AND BOTTLENECK ISSUES
You're fine. If buying new, get the b550 tomahawk
@@AncientGameplays bro b550 tomhowk is expensive in INDIA🥺🥺
@@jaat6969 then go for the 450
@@AncientGameplays ok thanks brother 😍😍
@@AncientGameplays thanks brother 😍🤗
Thank you for another quality video.
Thank you for watching
Obrigado pelas dicas e esclarecimentos
Eu que agradeço
hello, thanks for the useful video ... can I ask you which ram do you recommend for the 5600x? better 3600Mhz cl14 or 4000Mhz cl16?
4000MHz cl16 would be better if you can keep it at 1:1
nice!
i had a set of 4x8 corsair vengeance pro RGB 3200 CL16 ram for my intel 11700KF
my intel cpu and mobo fried (fucking intel)
swapped to a 5600x
I was debating on upgrading to 3600mhz ram, but you've shown me the way
definitely just sticking with what i have :)
Great to know i helped!
@@AncientGameplays you definitely did!
Thank you i didn't waste my money
as AMD user, I really glad to found your vids
new subscriber here~
Thank you. Glad to hear that!
Im a bit late to the party, but great video mate!
Thanks!
There is not difference in 4k right?. I bought fury ram ddr4 32 gb 3200 mhz. Is better 3600 mhz for 4k gaming?
Resolution doesn't matter. The amount of fps does. Usually at 4K you have less fps, so it matters less
Bro need your advise, I found used for same prise 32gb (4×8) 3200 cl 16 and 16 gl 3600 cl
16 . What should I get ?
Para todo assunto complexo que busco informações, encontro um video do Fabio.
Um abraço do Brasil, amigo. Parabéns pelo trabalho, gajo.
Espero ter ajudado
@@AncientGameplays resumindo, o clock da memoria pra jogos em 4K nao faz diferença certo?
What is your opinion on ram abundance?
Meaning a game is using for example 12gb ram, will 32 gb ram have a difference in game compared to16gb assuming same settings and timings?
Some games do lke more RAM, but 16GB is fine for 99.5% of people in terms of gaming. But the more you have the more RAM the system will allocate
¡Buen video! El único problema es que no muestras los 1% y 0.1% low que es donde más debería notarse la velocidad de la RAM en Ryzen.
Intel calls infinity fabric as "glue"
That glue is running at a cool 3200 MHz on my Ryzen 5 3600
No, actually running at 1600MHz :D
Also, they called it glue and they now use "glued" cpus as well, even more on xeons
its glue because it adds latency to ryzen cpus, you barely ever see anyone who actually knows about memory latency and input lag use a ryzen. Theres a reason many esports professionals still use intel
@@zesprixx reason probably being sponsorships lol but otherwise I agree.
Hey man i have ddr4 16gb 3000mhz. Do you recommend upgrading to 16gb 3600 or 32g 3600?
depends on your CPU
@@AncientGameplays i have a ryzen 5600g with a Rx 6600xt. It says my ram is underperforming currently that’s why I want to upgrade
@@whaattheef2169 in that case yes, but you should tey to overclock your ram first
I have a kingston fury renegade rgb 3600cl16 with ryzen 5 5600x and asrock b450 steel legend mb.
the memory gives errors in memtest on 3600 but works perfectly on 3000 cl15.
Do you have any clue what can i do with this to make it work on 3600?
I have rog strix b550 e gaming and r5 5600x. I have 4x8 32gb Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO ''SL'' 3600MHz CL16. But I'm using with overclock 3800MHz/Flck 1900MHz CL 14 15 8 12 21 with 1.50v.This new rams are so good. They have real Samsung B Die. But I can't do more than Flck 1900.i think 1900 is limit for 5600x or I can't do more because of I'm using 4 slot ram. But I wanna ask something. Should I do 4000mhz when Flck 1900 is same?
AIDA64 values Memory :54951 ns 57.8
Damn, but 1.5v is on the limit
@@AncientGameplays ohh I understand. When I play game long time rams temp max 40 41. And I tested with Memtest64 for stability 45 min after I play game long hours 1 week. I think it's very stable. So should I keep my setting like this 3800mhz Flck 1900 CL14? Is this best oc settings for me?
@@titusturk5496 4000MHz with 1900fclk would actually bring you less performance due to them not being at 1:1. Try testmem5 and see if you get no errors. I have the link on my how to overclock ram in 2021 video
@@AncientGameplays hmm :) I don't like risks. Then this settings are enough for me :) Thank you for your answers ^^