Deep background: In the medieval university, in a world without the printing press, you went to university so you could copy the lectures, and thereby have your own book.
Nice, waterloo being mentioned! The coop program here in Canada is growing, lots of my friends who went to other universities went through similar programs. However, Waterloo's competitive edges now are the reputation, the network you get there (half my graduating class is in the bay area now) and the waterloo coop job board has many more and better job postings. Awesome episode :DDDD
Typing was one of the most useful classes I ever took. My father made me take it as a full year course because he had struggled so much typing his thesis. I still think kids should take it.
I’m in a programming class. I move quickly. It’s flipped classroom, group-based and I’ve gotten behavioural penalizations for not staying behind with my group. Capping speed is incredibly frustrating.
An interesting anecdote, if you go to a general car repair shop, and ask what cars the mechanics hate working on the most, nearly universally they'll say German cars. Conversely, the easiest are Japanese. So that makes me curious what are the differences in education systems as well as on the job training differences between those two countries.
German engineers will over engineer it. Where a bolt doesn't exist, create a whole industrial supply chain for one bolt and stick it under the engine. If a customer does something and it breaks, their support is "This is not how to use this tool and it operates in these parameters. Good day." Japanese engineers will figure out how to make it work with the bare minimum parts. If its optional, its not there. Then they will go over it and throw idiots at their products. Everything the idiots figure out, they change the design so it wont happen. When an outside idiot comes up with better idiocy, "Here is how you fix this. Thanks time to change the whole thing."
31:43 People on Extremestan have no use for university. They learn faster and they do more outside of the university system as the most extreme success cases show: Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, John Carmack, many others. Actually most technology "extremers" were dropouts. For these people spending 4 to 5 years in university would be a waste of precious time, once they figure out what they "have to" do, they will learn much faster by themselves. People who have these innate characteristics common in innovators and founders don't need university in this day and age, where information is widely available on the internet. University is really only good for mid management people, that is the right end of the Mediocrestan bell curve.
In 2003-2005 these were the very discussions we, young MEd students, admin and profs were having in the U Wisconsin System. Clearly, no one cared to take our advice. I knew of at least two older Boomer profs just counting the days until retirement and had zero interest in challenging the fledgling DEI initiatives for fear of losing a state pension.
I have worked in blue collar skill job like been a manager of a large farm commercial truck driver equipment operator but I also founded My own start up went through techstars raised VC money and sold it then I work for a unicorn Agtech company as its division manager with a pay package so like 180k a year. I found that my family and friends that I was way higher status when I worked in tech then what I do now which is started an excavation business/truck driving and crop spraying in the summer summer. My purchasing power is actually higher now than it was when I worked in tech but it's seen as needed and good to be blue collar but it's just not the same status as being a white collar manager mostly due to it being more intellectual being white collar.
A bit of information, back in ancient times (1971) the faculty of Johns Hopkins gave president Lincoln Gordon a vote of no confidence (money was tight, he was cutting faculty and hiring administrators) and he resigned. Check Wikipedia.
only 11000 views for conversation this impactful and this important from 2 very well read and well balanced and successful billionaires is crazy. thanks for taking time off your day to share such knowledge! that is amazing. just like th fact that Charlie Munger and Buffet took the time to (ghost)-write books of their knowledge and experience.
That would be all higher education institutions together; only 1/4 to 1/3 of current university instructors are tenured or tenure track. That Marc claims "there are not that many adjuncts" reveals a staggering level ignorance.
I appreciate your take, but you don't seem to consider the concept of public good. While there are certainly public bads that are byproducts of our current model, we must not destroy what was a crown jewel of our culture. Was America a better place because Jefferson learned to read ancient philosophers in their original language?
Great interview, expecially the Harvard, Thiel, Waterloo comparison We build bridges between Gen Z AI talent and AI companies via JeezAI. Hopefully one day, partnered with a16z :)
Deep background: In the medieval university, in a world without the printing press, you went to university so you could copy the lectures, and thereby have your own book.
Nice, waterloo being mentioned! The coop program here in Canada is growing, lots of my friends who went to other universities went through similar programs. However, Waterloo's competitive edges now are the reputation, the network you get there (half my graduating class is in the bay area now) and the waterloo coop job board has many more and better job postings.
Awesome episode :DDDD
Ben and Marc show for the win.. also for every day that goes by im just more happy to be a world class futures trader and carpenter..
Haha, this is an epic comment. Keep winning buddy 💪🏼💯
Typing was one of the most useful classes I ever took. My father made me take it as a full year course because he had struggled so much typing his thesis. I still think kids should take it.
I’m in a programming class. I move quickly. It’s flipped classroom, group-based and I’ve gotten behavioural penalizations for not staying behind with my group. Capping speed is incredibly frustrating.
An interesting anecdote, if you go to a general car repair shop, and ask what cars the mechanics hate working on the most, nearly universally they'll say German cars. Conversely, the easiest are Japanese. So that makes me curious what are the differences in education systems as well as on the job training differences between those two countries.
German engineers will over engineer it. Where a bolt doesn't exist, create a whole industrial supply chain for one bolt and stick it under the engine. If a customer does something and it breaks, their support is "This is not how to use this tool and it operates in these parameters. Good day."
Japanese engineers will figure out how to make it work with the bare minimum parts. If its optional, its not there. Then they will go over it and throw idiots at their products. Everything the idiots figure out, they change the design so it wont happen. When an outside idiot comes up with better idiocy, "Here is how you fix this. Thanks time to change the whole thing."
@@xrunner55 that sounds brilliant 🔥
31:43 People on Extremestan have no use for university. They learn faster and they do more outside of the university system as the most extreme success cases show: Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, John Carmack, many others. Actually most technology "extremers" were dropouts. For these people spending 4 to 5 years in university would be a waste of precious time, once they figure out what they "have to" do, they will learn much faster by themselves. People who have these innate characteristics common in innovators and founders don't need university in this day and age, where information is widely available on the internet. University is really only good for mid management people, that is the right end of the Mediocrestan bell curve.
what is your skincare routine
In 2003-2005 these were the very discussions we, young MEd students, admin and profs were having in the U Wisconsin System.
Clearly, no one cared to take our advice.
I knew of at least two older Boomer profs just counting the days until retirement and had zero interest in challenging the fledgling DEI initiatives for fear of losing a state pension.
oh I love this. Finally a method in which we can truly put the Ed back in Edtech.
I have worked in blue collar skill job like been a manager of a large farm commercial truck driver equipment operator but I also founded My own start up went through techstars raised VC money and sold it then I work for a unicorn Agtech company as its division manager with a pay package so like 180k a year. I found that my family and friends that I was way higher status when I worked in tech then what I do now which is started an excavation business/truck driving and crop spraying in the summer summer. My purchasing power is actually higher now than it was when I worked in tech but it's seen as needed and good to be blue collar but it's just not the same status as being a white collar manager mostly due to it being more intellectual being white collar.
A bit of information, back in ancient times (1971) the faculty of Johns Hopkins gave president Lincoln Gordon a vote of no confidence (money was tight, he was cutting faculty and hiring administrators) and he resigned. Check Wikipedia.
Marc are you ever going to tell Ben how to pronounce Illinois?
I find it hilarious that they used a trap beat for the intro 😆
The new Alexander Payne (director of sideways) movie The Holdovers touches on a lot of these themes
epic! Thank you
only 11000 views for conversation this impactful and this important from 2 very well read and well balanced and successful billionaires is crazy. thanks for taking time off your day to share such knowledge! that is amazing. just like th fact that Charlie Munger and Buffet took the time to (ghost)-write books of their knowledge and experience.
As a lecturer with 5 years experience totally agree. AI wil do a poor man's job if it will substitute University education.
Interesting
Non-tenured faculty make up between 2/3 and 3/4 of university instructors, i.e. a large majority.
For what kind of institutions?
That would be all higher education institutions together; only 1/4 to 1/3 of current university instructors are tenured or tenure track. That Marc claims "there are not that many adjuncts" reveals a staggering level ignorance.
@@williambanks6624 anecdotally I can say for the "top ranking" research universities, most classes are led by tenured track professors
and because they are such a pull of world talent, like the US is for global workforce, Marc's discussion naturally revolves around them
@@williambanks6624 im curoious where you got these numbers. i'm having trouble finding them online.
In which a16z rediscovers the British public school.
Its time to reconsider the value of Universities. Among the new idea is to discontinue the federal funding and focus on propaganda
Kids of the rich will have teachers. The poor will be chained to a computer. I would like to hear Marc's thoughts on sex segregated early education.
awww poor them. first world problems.
marc should ask himself if he would be where he is today if he'd had a private tutor. highest status outcome my ass.
A withdrawal of federal funding should be a day 1 task for the next Republican president
Its also high status because your wealthy parent kids are probably never going to apply for a W2 job and be graded by an anonymous HR department 😂
Pretty sure Gavin Wood actually built the first version of Ethereum (from the book). Probably a better programmer.
I appreciate your take, but you don't seem to consider the concept of public good. While there are certainly public bads that are byproducts of our current model, we must not destroy what was a crown jewel of our culture. Was America a better place because Jefferson learned to read ancient philosophers in their original language?
These guys only ride. Never walk. Ask David Chapelle
Can you explain what you mean by that?
Great interview, expecially the Harvard, Thiel, Waterloo comparison We build bridges between Gen Z AI talent and AI companies via JeezAI. Hopefully one day, partnered with a16z :)