@@evalananrop7861 mannnnnn.... i went in the ocean near long beach california and as soon as i got waist deep i knew that shit wasnt for me......zero control of your life its completely up to the ocean....even navy seals are at its mercy
I was in this situation once in Okinawa at night Lobster hunting, we went in the cave and then the silt got stirred up , total white out and because it was night could not see any entrance light, we were lucky and we went what we thought was the entrance and were right.....at the time we were Water Safety Survival instructors in the Marines:)) I did have that hair on the back of your neck experience, I could feel that panic creeping in. I signaled to the other guy to just be perfectly still for a couple of minutes ...and it worked.....once you get a roof over your head underwater....things get 100% more dangerous ...Remember that
I feel so lucky that I ran into your channel today. I love how you describe in detail using the graphics. Visual aids definitely help me understand what happened! Thanks for the video. ❤
There is so much wrong with this video. Here is a quote from one of the ADM dive team members after the loss of diver Shane Thompson. "The day before the fatality, we had come to a consensus that this cave was not at all what the city had envisioned based on decades old reports and descriptions on restaurant menus. The map on the brochure was not remotely close to reality. There is no cavern zone whatsoever, and except for a few places, the widest areas would be called restrictions in some definitions. The largest "room" can fit a couple people comfortably. We tried never to put three in it at a time. There was almost nothing horizontal--the cave goes downward on a very steep slant. In our discussions, we realized that the cave is dangerous enough to require something like an Abe Davis award for entrance. That does not fit with the city's ideas about making this a draw for cave tourism. Only a handful of divers would be interested. The next morning, the diver leading the final push came to the end. The tunnel had walled out. There would be no going any farther. So in summary, we had a narrow, nearly vertical shaft with loose rock and silt going to a depth of about 195 feet with not much more distance from that from the entrance to the end. Sound exciting? How far would you travel for that experience? When he hit the wall, the lead diver knew the project was over. The cave just didn't go anywhere. It was on that exit that the fatality occurred. The decision that there was no point in going on with the exploration would have been made without the fatality, and the primary decision makers were dedicated cave explorers with decades of experience, not an hysterical land owner, sheriff, or city council."
I love this channel's no nonsense, straight to the point content, the diagrams of the cave, and the locations of the people, but those thumbnails keep getting me confused. I see a thumbnail which youtube says I saw already, but I don't recognise it, only to click on the video to see the cave is completely different and realise I did see it already.
Think attaching another one or two safety lines for failsafe and both divers also each attach another line to the outside surface just in case. Although might be too many safety lines they might get tangled, it's better to be safe.
I don’t understand how you know the outline of the underwater cave which you’ve used in your video when the underwater cave hasn’t been able to be mapped yet.
Sad....there's nothing there worth all this🤦🏻♀️just sad.....to look at the map..there's just nothing there worth going there🤦🏻♀️and then to Die‼️😔wow
It's becoming easier to pick up channels driven by A.I. It only takes a couple views of the hundreds of these channels popping up that are clearly using A.I to write their narratives. Metaphors like "He kissed his last breath" can be found recycled over and over again across these channels. Who kisses breath? Between the algorithm of the cadence, and the flat and slightly odd metaphors - we find "The Wizard of Oz" in reverse. There is no man behind the curtain, just Chat GPT ... Bummer.
The lights don't do much in caves. When they swim around the stir up silt that makes the water like fog. They can only see a few inches/feet in front of them no matter how bright the light is.
@@redsteel7292 even with out silt they were in a pitch black room in water. Their lights wouldn't travel very far to begin with. People are crazy as hell.
What a stupid decision of divers group of removing those blocks which has been put to prevent the entry in cave. They shud have guessed that there must be a solid reason of putting those blocks. Over confidence/excitement mostly results in disaster.
I think that they were confident that the cave was not as dangerous as it was described. A lot of time had passed, and a lot of knowledge about cave diving has been added to our repertoire of what we know about the sport. And so what could’ve been known as dangerous, they probably thought wasn’t by modern standards. And in all honesty, they would’ve been fine, except that the professional, they hired panicked. If he had been able to remain calm, he would’ve made it out like the other diver. Maybe he didn’t have enough experience to make this dive, cause that panic attack was real. Don’t know what caused it but again, if he had remain calm, he would’ve been fine.
@@MayTheOddsBeInYourFavor I have seen many cases where people ignored warning signs and now even manually blocked path also. One major thing to note is that.. Never loose your sense of experience. Meaning, if you are experienced person, and your experience is not telling or warning you that where to stop yourself and head back, and instead it is telling you that just go forwards, you can handle it any situation... Then it is not your experience talking. It is your over excitement/Confidence which has swallowed your sense of experience. Most important thing experience can tell you is what you should never attempt and what is your limit for now. But when experience has been swallowed by over confidence then the person is not longer a experience person, but instead he made himself an excited newbie. Yes he/she is newbie coz he/she is not using his/her experience any more.
So much time wasted with a lot of words that tell you nothing, deviating from the story, describing other caves, 10 minutes out of 14 are wasted saying nothing
As soon as I’m watching a video about diving and hear the narrator say anything about “oxygen” thanks, I turn off the video. Especially when describing the “standard oxygen tank” he was wearing with his rebreather.
It's a miracle Young lived. Staying calm in perilous situations can mean the difference between life and death, quite literally.
Mike Young? Miracle? I'd guess skill is more an issue there, skill and knowing what to do.
Not a miracle. He was an old man Navy trained.
Noooo. You don't say!? :o
He kept calm, that was key.
I can't imagine having a panic attack underwater ... people don't understand that no amount of training will prepare you for this.
That's why I don't like diving or go in the ocean. I think nature is worst than human beings.
@@evalananrop7861u make no sense
@@dxcSOUL she's foreign that's why
@@evalananrop7861 mannnnnn.... i went in the ocean near long beach california and as soon as i got waist deep i knew that shit wasnt for me......zero control of your life its completely up to the ocean....even navy seals are at its mercy
I'm a commercial diver and I had a panic attack. Crazy how it you just immediately do the worst things you could possibly do
I was in this situation once in Okinawa at night Lobster hunting, we went in the cave and then the silt got stirred up , total white out and because it was night could not see any entrance light, we were lucky and we went what we thought was the entrance and were right.....at the time we were Water Safety Survival instructors in the Marines:))
I did have that hair on the back of your neck experience, I could feel that panic creeping in. I signaled to the other guy to just be perfectly still for a couple of minutes ...and it worked.....once you get a roof over your head underwater....things get 100% more dangerous ...Remember that
You killed it bro. Great video. The animations in the tunnel made me feel like i was there.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
Same bro, i also feel the panic bruh
I feel so lucky that I ran into your channel today. I love how you describe in detail using the graphics. Visual aids definitely help me understand what happened! Thanks for the video. ❤
Thank you for watching!
Great video! So glad I found your channel! I like the way it’s not an AI speaker.
Just connected with your channel. Your channel came across my feed. These stories are very sad. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for posting
Another absolute goat video bro. Dang your channel is awesome
I always find it entertaining when people who don’t dive try to talk about people who do. For example, see @8:55 reference to “O2 tanks.”
And, while he did show a KISS rebreather, it was not the Sidewinder.
It’s a beautiful spot. Very unexpected considering the surrounding terrain. I had no idea of its dangerous history at the time.
I live here in Albuquerque pretty close to there and it really is a beauty. The story of sirens luring men into there always scared me growing up
Me too!
There is so much wrong with this video.
Here is a quote from one of the ADM dive team members after the loss of diver Shane Thompson.
"The day before the fatality, we had come to a consensus that this cave was not at all what the city had envisioned based on decades old reports and descriptions on restaurant menus. The map on the brochure was not remotely close to reality. There is no cavern zone whatsoever, and except for a few places, the widest areas would be called restrictions in some definitions. The largest "room" can fit a couple people comfortably. We tried never to put three in it at a time. There was almost nothing horizontal--the cave goes downward on a very steep slant. In our discussions, we realized that the cave is dangerous enough to require something like an Abe Davis award for entrance. That does not fit with the city's ideas about making this a draw for cave tourism. Only a handful of divers would be interested.
The next morning, the diver leading the final push came to the end. The tunnel had walled out. There would be no going any farther. So in summary, we had a narrow, nearly vertical shaft with loose rock and silt going to a depth of about 195 feet with not much more distance from that from the entrance to the end. Sound exciting? How far would you travel for that experience? When he hit the wall, the lead diver knew the project was over. The cave just didn't go anywhere.
It was on that exit that the fatality occurred.
The decision that there was no point in going on with the exploration would have been made without the fatality, and the primary decision makers were dedicated cave explorers with decades of experience, not an hysterical land owner, sheriff, or city council."
I love this channel's no nonsense, straight to the point content, the diagrams of the cave, and the locations of the people, but those thumbnails keep getting me confused. I see a thumbnail which youtube says I saw already, but I don't recognise it, only to click on the video to see the cave is completely different and realise I did see it already.
Thanks for the feedback. I will fix that problem going forward!
Tf was wrong with thompson? Had he just calmed down, he could have shared air and made it out
Daring and potentially fatal explorations to find... more rock? What a senseless way to die.
I'll never understand the need to go underground and underwater!!
Think attaching another one or two safety lines for failsafe and both divers also each attach another line to the outside surface just in case. Although might be too many safety lines they might get tangled, it's better to be safe.
where have you been all along, all the cave divers have been waiting for you to come along
@@6AlphaMikeCharlie9 Just suggesting a possible solution after seeing how all this went out. I’m no expert lol
Mike young invented the kiss rebreather
I love ur videos!
No matter the amount of experience, it doesn't make someone a professional. The two are not related. Professionalism takes a mindset, not experience.
Staying calm cool and collected in kaos is a difficult thing to master. But if u do these types of things you'd better master it.
Chaos
Why in the world did they assign average danger level to a cave where literally nothing can be seen? Set up for failure...
why do the divers want to go & map a cave that’s suppose to be closed?! 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I don’t understand how you know the outline of the underwater cave which you’ve used in your video when the underwater cave hasn’t been able to be mapped yet.
@ 4:42 he explained "makeshift sketches that were made" obviously from people who explored the cave.
Send in a submersible drone with a camera.
Sad....there's nothing there worth all this🤦🏻♀️just sad.....to look at the map..there's just nothing there worth going there🤦🏻♀️and then to Die‼️😔wow
Why would they not have a main line from the entrance #1 Rule is to have a line out
It's becoming easier to pick up channels driven by A.I. It only takes a couple views of the hundreds of these channels popping up that are clearly using A.I to write their narratives. Metaphors like "He kissed his last breath" can be found recycled over and over again across these channels. Who kisses breath? Between the algorithm of the cadence, and the flat and slightly odd metaphors - we find "The Wizard of Oz" in reverse. There is no man behind the curtain, just Chat GPT ... Bummer.
So they dove without a light?
No, the lights do nothing in a massive space.
The lights don't do much in caves. When they swim around the stir up silt that makes the water like fog. They can only see a few inches/feet in front of them no matter how bright the light is.
@@redsteel7292 even with out silt they were in a pitch black room in water. Their lights wouldn't travel very far to begin with. People are crazy as hell.
If you don't stick to the plan you maximise the risk of dying by so much.
And he nearly killed mike because he just couldn't stick to the plan.
What a stupid decision of divers group of removing those blocks which has been put to prevent the entry in cave. They shud have guessed that there must be a solid reason of putting those blocks. Over confidence/excitement mostly results in disaster.
I think that they were confident that the cave was not as dangerous as it was described. A lot of time had passed, and a lot of knowledge about cave diving has been added to our repertoire of what we know about the sport. And so what could’ve been known as dangerous, they probably thought wasn’t by modern standards. And in all honesty, they would’ve been fine, except that the professional, they hired panicked. If he had been able to remain calm, he would’ve made it out like the other diver. Maybe he didn’t have enough experience to make this dive, cause that panic attack was real. Don’t know what caused it but again, if he had remain calm, he would’ve been fine.
@@MayTheOddsBeInYourFavor I have seen many cases where people ignored warning signs and now even manually blocked path also. One major thing to note is that.. Never loose your sense of experience. Meaning, if you are experienced person, and your experience is not telling or warning you that where to stop yourself and head back, and instead it is telling you that just go forwards, you can handle it any situation... Then it is not your experience talking. It is your over excitement/Confidence which has swallowed your sense of experience. Most important thing experience can tell you is what you should never attempt and what is your limit for now. But when experience has been swallowed by over confidence then the person is not longer a experience person, but instead he made himself an excited newbie. Yes he/she is newbie coz he/she is not using his/her experience any more.
@@rishabhsharma775🤔
Lose , not loose !!
It's an air tank dude not Oxygen
Moat complex blablabal, sheer amount of dead ends: proceeds to show 5. wtf, dude , you havent seen complex cave systems in your life...
Aura*
Senseless Idiocracy
Worst career decision.
So much time wasted with a lot of words that tell you nothing, deviating from the story, describing other caves, 10 minutes out of 14 are wasted saying nothing
As soon as I’m watching a video about diving and hear the narrator say anything about “oxygen” thanks, I turn off the video. Especially when describing the “standard oxygen tank” he was wearing with his rebreather.