Lovely video. Quick point: the clip where you show the Danube, that is actually the Danube canal. The canal was originally a branch of the Danube and does seem to be the relevant branch for Vindabona. I just mention this in case anyone visits Vienna, that the main Danube branch is further East in the city ;)
Apologies - there was a great comment about a Roman inscription in St. Stephen's... There are more sites as well to view. Couldn't get to them all, as it was a quick trip. But I do indeed all of the comments and insights from locals! Cheers!
From a local. About the post/late Roman Vindobona. There has been the speculation that during the time of the Germanic Federatii Vindobona became a so called reduction castell. Where it was remodelled to about 1/4 of its original size, this happened to many castrii along the Rhine/Danube in that time. There is no archilogical proof for this though. There is archological proof of the remaining population of the civilian city of Carnuntum moved into the castell of Vindobona during the invasion of the barbarians. Early 6th century to the 8th century there is hardly any archological evidence of larger population in the area There's also some archival evidence that at least some of the walls and especially gates the Ottomans layed siege to in 1529, had Roman foundations or in the case of the city gates brick and stonework from those times. These defensive works were completely destroyed when the "modern " city fortifications were built after the 1. Siege.
That was incredible! The statues and carving on the column were amazing.And the radiant heat for officers.Good they are saving the sites among modern construction.Well done.👏👍
As someone who is from austria, specifically from vienna, I just have to mention, that in the video you didn't showed the danube but a small sidearm ("Donaukanal" which translates roughly to danube canal). While that is the historic main arm, the danube is by far a bigger river than the video suggests. It is indeed a very formidable border. Even today without bridges the danube would be a huge challenge.
Amazing! I haven't been to Vienna yet, but the ancient part of the city will be the first place I go when I get there someday. From the video, it kind of reminds me of Cologne, Germany. The Roman museum is literally next door to the cathedral and they are both built over the site of a Roman villa. There's a magnificent mosaic on the bottom floor of the museum which sits right where they found it. I remember a local telling me you don't see many basements in the older parts of the city because of all the ruins and relics below street level. For a small fee you can tour some of the excavations under the cathedral and a few older buildings. I think I payed around five euros to see the ones under Gross St. Martin, the second largest medieval church in the city. That was a couple of decades ago. It's humbling to be in a place like that and think to yourself that those ruins were almost as old to the people that built the medieval church above them as that that ancient church is now.
Really cool - unusual to think of Vienna as a Roman site complete with heated walls and floors, and all the “trimmings” of a Roman town. Thanks so much for the tour! Leslie and Tim (in Rome)
some 40km east of Vindobona was the then much more important city of Carnuntum (up to 300.000 inhabitants, now Petronell). Archaeologists have reconstructed a Roman bath and a villa rustica. Very interesting!
I have been to Carnuntum and its extraordinary, especially the Heathens Gate...there is a glass piece and if you look through it you can see how it looked when it was still fully standing, nowadays only half of it stands still...even though the empire ended at Danube there are 2/3 forts on the other side of the river in Slovakia. In Bratislava it is Gerulata and further down the flow of Danube it was Kelemantia
Thanks for the report. When you come to Vienna again, show the lines of the old castrum that you can still see on the surface today: Haashaus at Stephansplatz, Graben, Naglergasse, Tiefe Graben ..
Vindobona was no "Roman city" ...a castrum is no "city" but just a military outpost/Fort (the small settlement around the Fort was basically just foremost their entourage providing civil goods + amusements for the in the Fort stationed Roman soldiers + some few Celtic settlers who were already there way before the Romans took over that area) Although Vindobona had extremly high strategic value for protecting the way towards "the actual Roman city" of that area which was located just 40km further east along the River Danube named "Carnuntum" which was a "colonia" = "a city" with temples + Amphitheatre and all that jazz and had over 50 thousand inhabitants + was the military high command + civil magistrat for that whole area including the castrum Vindobona. In Carnuntum were stationed the Roman Danube fleet + a whole Legion + auxillery (cavalery) and it was the actual base of military operation for the whole province.
Yes, but the Roman era fortress IS on the Donaukanal, right? Perhaps in their time this WAS the Donau? Has the main river channel been diverted sometime during the past 2000 years?
The Danube canal marks the Southern bank of the original river bed, which was always pretty clearly defined due to the topography of the area. But due to the fact that there was a flat plain North of the river, the Danube was a meandering mess before it was regulated. There were several phases of regulation. The river is currently divided into four parts, and the Donaukanal is the smallest of the four. I'm not certain of the exact proportions, but I'd guess that it's only about 10% of the entire river. Most of the water flows through the main channel, then there's a part called the "New Danube" that's cut off from the main river by a dam that only allows a small current to pass through, and it's opened during floods to take the strain off the main river. There's also the "Old Danube" which is part of the old swampy meandering system. The small canal is still important because it's used for medium-sized passenger boats and small freight barges to get to central Vienna, but the bigger boats can't even navigate through there.
Thank you! There are different opinions regarding the etymology of Vindobona. According to one: the hydronym name comes from the Celtic vedunia (“tree”), according to another, from the Celtic vindo (“white” or “building”) + -bona (“enclosed place, town”), since in 50 AD. e. the Roman military camp Vindobona was located on this site. The component -bona is found in ancient toponymy, for example Augustobona, Juiliobona. Ancient German toponym Wienne, Slavic - Veden.
SO/Wienna, Praterstrasse 1 has a restaurant on the top floor, with the best view of the city you probably can get. The architecture is made by Jean Nouvel with a cloud like ceiling that enhances the view a specially at night.
So nice to see people preserving and cherishing their history... Here, in America, when a building reaches 100 years of age, it's torn down... America values nothing...
I had thought to ask, but didn't, about whether you had visited the excavation at Michaelerplatz by the Hofburg. Thanks for reviewing Vienna's Roman past.
Of course, it needs to be noted that the area of what's now Vienna had been settled for centuries if not millennia when the Romans established Vindoba! Still,it's quite fascinating to see some of the earliest remnants of what would become such a large, dynamic and cosmopolitan metropolis! Thanks so much!
Thanks Darius I thought this museum did not exist the last time I was in Vienna. I believe items found during bombings were located in 1 or more museums.
Thanks for the history/travel trips. On a trip to Vienna, I discovered there's a wine shop there called Winedobona. (No connection, and as it happened, I didn't shop there; I just thought it was funny.)
You filmed the wrong side of the excavation at Michaelerplatz! There are absolutely Roman ruins to be seen in that hole, but the bit you decided to show in the video was an 18th century building. There are ruins from three periods visible in that place: Roman ruins, including a small bit of a mural beneath a plexiglass cover, a massive 13th century wall, and parts of a multistorey building from the late 18th century. There's also a modern sewer cutting through the ruins that's covered with a metal dome, and a disused 19th century sewer that's partially exposed.
Thanks Darius for another great video! Were any of these excavations the result of WWII bombing? I recall that St. Stevens and the Opera House were bombed.
Thanks for the video:) Did you visit the limes fort at the Danube river as well? I'm still wondering if the combination would be worth a trip by car from NL to Vienna
Now you have to come and make a video about the only city that Romans called "VIENNA": Vienne in France, 25 km south of Lyon. There you will find the oldest roman temple in France (temple of Augustus and Livia), the greatest roman theater in France, one of the oldest church in France (Eglise St Pierre), one of the only Spinna obelisque still in his original place (La pyramide), and a lot more...
Why do they have no eyes? What was there? It surely was not just white marble. Where did the eyes go this stuff? Frustrates me when I'm in Idli. There is no explanation for all of the. Artifacts
Lovely video. Quick point: the clip where you show the Danube, that is actually the Danube canal. The canal was originally a branch of the Danube and does seem to be the relevant branch for Vindabona. I just mention this in case anyone visits Vienna, that the main Danube branch is further East in the city ;)
Apologies - there was a great comment about a Roman inscription in St. Stephen's... There are more sites as well to view. Couldn't get to them all, as it was a quick trip. But I do indeed all of the comments and insights from locals! Cheers!
From a local.
About the post/late Roman Vindobona.
There has been the speculation that during the time of the Germanic Federatii Vindobona became a so called reduction castell.
Where it was remodelled to about 1/4 of its original size, this happened to many castrii along the Rhine/Danube in that time. There is no archilogical proof for this though.
There is archological proof of the remaining population of the civilian city of Carnuntum moved into the castell of Vindobona during the invasion of the barbarians.
Early 6th century to the 8th century there is hardly any archological evidence of larger population in the area
There's also some archival evidence that at least some of the walls and especially gates the Ottomans layed siege to in 1529, had Roman foundations or in the case of the city gates brick and stonework from those times.
These defensive works were completely destroyed when the "modern " city fortifications were built after the 1. Siege.
That was incredible! The statues and carving on the column were amazing.And the radiant heat for officers.Good they are saving the sites among modern construction.Well done.👏👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent video; which reminds me of this exchange:
Maximus: "Anyone here been in the army?"
Gladiator: "Yes, I served with you at Vindobona."
EXACTLY
In 11 minutes on youtube, i learned more about my hometown than in 4 years of history class. Great work guys, well done.
Your passion for antiquity is contagious; as a student of ancient history, I can say that you are living the dream! Keep up the fantastic work!
Thank you! Will do!
Very interesting. Thanks for showing me Rome outside of Rome🙏
Thanks Darius! Enjoy our trek very much! You open new worlds for us! 👏👏👏👍👊🤩😀🥇
More to come! thank you for watching!
As someone who is from austria, specifically from vienna, I just have to mention, that in the video you didn't showed the danube but a small sidearm ("Donaukanal" which translates roughly to danube canal). While that is the historic main arm, the danube is by far a bigger river than the video suggests. It is indeed a very formidable border. Even today without bridges the danube would be a huge challenge.
Molto interessante. Grazie.
Grazie a te!
Hello Darius , Thanks for the video I just love learning about Rome from you . Great video's
My pleasure!
I lived in Vienna for about 3 yrs. Really beautiful city.
I think I just found my new fav yt channel :) Great work
Thank you!
@@DariusArya :)
Officers ALWAYS have better lodging than enlisted. A tale as old as time. haha
1:55 thats not the Danube. Thats the Danube Canal.
Amazing! I haven't been to Vienna yet, but the ancient part of the city will be the first place I go when I get there someday. From the video, it kind of reminds me of Cologne, Germany. The Roman museum is literally next door to the cathedral and they are both built over the site of a Roman villa. There's a magnificent mosaic on the bottom floor of the museum which sits right where they found it. I remember a local telling me you don't see many basements in the older parts of the city because of all the ruins and relics below street level. For a small fee you can tour some of the excavations under the cathedral and a few older buildings. I think I payed around five euros to see the ones under Gross St. Martin, the second largest medieval church in the city. That was a couple of decades ago. It's humbling to be in a place like that and think to yourself that those ruins were almost as old to the people that built the medieval church above them as that that ancient church is now.
Really cool - unusual to think of Vienna as a Roman site complete with heated walls and floors, and all the “trimmings” of a Roman town. Thanks so much for the tour!
Leslie and Tim (in Rome)
Officers lived large!
Not a bad way of life… when I visited it was COLD…
some 40km east of Vindobona was the then much more important city of Carnuntum (up to 300.000 inhabitants, now Petronell). Archaeologists have reconstructed a Roman bath and a villa rustica. Very interesting!
Thanks, Darius! Another little gem.
My pleasure!
Thank you for another wonderful educational video! I've been to Vienna but never knew this existed.
Thank you!
I have been to Carnuntum and its extraordinary, especially the Heathens Gate...there is a glass piece and if you look through it you can see how it looked when it was still fully standing, nowadays only half of it stands still...even though the empire ended at Danube there are 2/3 forts on the other side of the river in Slovakia. In Bratislava it is Gerulata and further down the flow of Danube it was Kelemantia
Thanks for the report. When you come to Vienna again, show the lines of the old castrum that you can still see on the surface today:
Haashaus at Stephansplatz, Graben, Naglergasse, Tiefe Graben ..
Thank you for this informative post.
Glad it was helpful!
what a pleasure to see the Romans with you. I feel like I am transported back to the real Roman World !!!!
Thanks!
Vindobona was no "Roman city" ...a castrum is no "city" but just a military outpost/Fort (the small settlement around the Fort was basically just foremost their entourage providing civil goods + amusements for the in the Fort stationed Roman soldiers + some few Celtic settlers who were already there way before the Romans took over that area)
Although Vindobona had extremly high strategic value for protecting the way towards "the actual Roman city" of that area which was located just 40km further east along the River Danube named "Carnuntum" which was a "colonia" = "a city" with temples + Amphitheatre and all that jazz and had over 50 thousand inhabitants + was the military high command + civil magistrat for that whole area including the castrum Vindobona.
In Carnuntum were stationed the Roman Danube fleet + a whole Legion + auxillery (cavalery) and it was the actual base of military operation for the whole province.
Thank you for an interesting tour and informative video.
Glad you enjoyed it
OMG you are showing the Donaukanal not the Danube itself at 1:42.
ah - thanks! (as close as I got with the time limit!)
😅@@DariusArya
Yes, but the Roman era fortress IS on the Donaukanal, right? Perhaps in their time this WAS the Donau? Has the main river channel been diverted sometime during the past 2000 years?
No, the original Danube was regulated from 1870. The Danube Canal is a remnant.
The Danube canal marks the Southern bank of the original river bed, which was always pretty clearly defined due to the topography of the area. But due to the fact that there was a flat plain North of the river, the Danube was a meandering mess before it was regulated. There were several phases of regulation. The river is currently divided into four parts, and the Donaukanal is the smallest of the four. I'm not certain of the exact proportions, but I'd guess that it's only about 10% of the entire river. Most of the water flows through the main channel, then there's a part called the "New Danube" that's cut off from the main river by a dam that only allows a small current to pass through, and it's opened during floods to take the strain off the main river. There's also the "Old Danube" which is part of the old swampy meandering system.
The small canal is still important because it's used for medium-sized passenger boats and small freight barges to get to central Vienna, but the bigger boats can't even navigate through there.
Very interesting, even for a Viennese! One little annotation only: the latin promounciation was/is VinDObona (with emphasis on the 2nd syllable)
Looking forward to more, I’ve been visiting Vienna in December, I lost this museum what a pity 😢
Next time!
Thank you!
There are different opinions regarding the etymology of Vindobona.
According to one: the hydronym name comes from the Celtic vedunia (“tree”), according to another, from the Celtic vindo (“white” or “building”) + -bona (“enclosed place, town”), since in 50 AD. e. the Roman military camp Vindobona was located on this site.
The component -bona is found in ancient toponymy, for example Augustobona, Juiliobona. Ancient German toponym Wienne, Slavic - Veden.
Vienna was an old settlement when the Romans invaded. In this area, flintstone production was already at 5500 BC.
Sir, I could listen to you saying the name "Vindobona" all day
SO/Wienna, Praterstrasse 1 has a restaurant on the top floor, with the best view of the city you probably can get. The architecture is made by Jean Nouvel with a cloud like ceiling that enhances the view a specially at night.
So nice to see people preserving and cherishing their history... Here, in America, when a building reaches 100 years of age, it's torn down... America values nothing...
The river you showed technically isn't the Donau but the Donaukanal. A regulation of an old arm of the Donau.
The main river flows further north
Always fascinating to see the hidden ruins where the Romans had travelled! 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Going to Vienna in june! Great video!
Enjoy!
I had thought to ask, but didn't, about whether you had visited the excavation at Michaelerplatz by the Hofburg. Thanks for reviewing Vienna's Roman past.
it's in the video. Watch til the end!
Awesome
Thank you Darius always happy when you upload. Are you going to Carnuntum too? Lots to see there.
Next time!
Of course, it needs to be noted that the area of what's now Vienna had been settled for centuries if not millennia when the Romans established Vindoba!
Still,it's quite fascinating to see some of the earliest remnants of what would become such a large, dynamic and cosmopolitan metropolis! Thanks so much!
Yes I did include the Celts - Boii
@@DariusArya OK
Thanks Darius I thought this museum did not exist the last time I was in Vienna. I believe items found during bombings were located in 1 or more museums.
Happy to share!
Wonderful!
Many thanks!
Thanks for the history/travel trips. On a trip to Vienna, I discovered there's a wine shop there called Winedobona. (No connection, and as it happened, I didn't shop there; I just thought it was funny.)
HAHA -very clever!
*_9:24_**_ Really interesting to see Mithras here. You almost forget how extremely influental and widespread Mithraism was in the Roman Empire._*
You filmed the wrong side of the excavation at Michaelerplatz! There are absolutely Roman ruins to be seen in that hole, but the bit you decided to show in the video was an 18th century building. There are ruins from three periods visible in that place: Roman ruins, including a small bit of a mural beneath a plexiglass cover, a massive 13th century wall, and parts of a multistorey building from the late 18th century. There's also a modern sewer cutting through the ruins that's covered with a metal dome, and a disused 19th century sewer that's partially exposed.
Thanks Darius for another great video! Were any of these excavations the result of WWII bombing? I recall that St. Stevens and the Opera House were bombed.
Yes lot of bombing… the new museum was from
Modern excavations.
Thanks for the video:) Did you visit the limes fort at the Danube river as well? I'm still wondering if the combination would be worth a trip by car from NL to Vienna
Not yet!
That was the Danube canal. the Danube is much bigger
Great.
Now you have to come and make a video about the only city that Romans called "VIENNA":
Vienne in France, 25 km south of Lyon.
There you will find the oldest roman temple in France (temple of Augustus and Livia), the greatest roman theater in France, one of the oldest church in France (Eglise St Pierre), one of the only Spinna obelisque still in his original place (La pyramide), and a lot more...
..well that's purdy kool....:)
this is not the danube, just an artificial canal fed by the danube - called "Donaukanal"
Marcus Aurelius died there...
Why do they have no eyes?
What was there? It surely was not just white marble. Where did the eyes go this stuff? Frustrates me when I'm in Idli. There is no explanation for all of the.
Artifacts
It‘s pronounced Vindóbóna
Vindo-bona
There are two ufos on the sky!😱
IC SUNT ROMANORUM...piero roma