Necrons vs Astra Militarum Warhammer 40k Battle Report - Beat Matt Batrep Ep 123
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
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1500 points. Bruce brings in an Astra Militarum army to face off against a Necron Decurion Detachment. - Ігри
A great batrep which wasn't in anyway one sided
Get out of here Lenny
Necrons lost a wopping 2 guys.
2 Individual Units.
Wow... And IG lost... their entire army that actually mattered.
Apache - Attack Helicopter ford
Badly made army with no formations from the AM army. DIdn't specialize against decurion, too many buildings in my opinion blocking line of sight too much
Well done to the Guard player for taking his misfortune with laughter and a smile that no neckbeard would be able to match.
Good gaming atmosphere....
Well i'm glad they were smiling and laughing about this battle because I sure didn't at any point. Maybe if matt had not decided he was going to take an army with a formation bonus against an army that had no really bonuses it would have gone a lot better.
Beautifully painted IG army. Even though a certain someone won with their army again i still thought it was a lot of fun to watch. Nice to see IG
Maverick5588 Thank you sir! I put a lot of effort into it, and still have some basing to do :)
I get the feeling that there should be a morale test for the unit that shoots a Necron which then reanimates. I know that if I killed something then it got back up I'd run.
Then they would be as balanced as a fat cat on a stick. But yes it would make sense.
@Hylian Jedi DON'T RUN WE CAN KILL IT AGAIN AND HOPEFULLY AGAIN THIS IS THE GREATEST TRAINING WE CAN GET
Fancy necron rhino has 4 hull points, Guard main battle tank has 3?
I don't understand these things.
Cheese and imbalance are the virtues of the necrons friend.
Michael S Well as the Ghost Ark can only be taken with and used by Necron Warriors, I have always seen it more the the Necron Landspeeder Storm. The flying death croissant known as the Night Scythe is really more the Necron Rhino as it can be taken by just about anyone.
Michael S They're open topped, meaning they're easy to explode, and they only shoot S4 Ap5 Gauss weapons. They're really good transports, but they don't pack much of a punch against non-vehicle units, whereas guard battle tanks can bring all sorts of heavy weapons (plasma, battle cannons, and so forth).
Necrons... balanced sense GW said so....
The Hive Mind Should see the new eldar
Tried Necrons vs Necrons with new codex, actually took 4 hours to finish. Ended in a draw because nothing died.
When you keep feeling the need to apologize for your army, something has gone wrong in army design.
To be fair, the AM list was very sub-optimal and the Necrons list was pretty solid.
How so? Considering the stuff guard have to work with, it is fairly solid
I wasn’t expecting a 7th edition batrep in my recommendations
The Silent Lord I know, right? Super weird.
This Necron Formation was used on my army and it sucked , it was a landslide and we had space marines. We had space marines (salamanders) and then Dark angels. Everything we killed came back to life right after we killed it and they controlled all the objectives . it was like a wall , as they pushed we moved back. Necrons are way overpowered in that formation because they come back half the time and they ignore almost every pen result.
Nah you just don't know how to play against them well. They don't get reanimate in sweeping advances that's how you kill them, use armour bane and lance to wreck there vehicles and use flyers
vindicators are a good choice for SM against necrons in 7th as they bring reanimation protocols rolls in a decurion back up to 5+ due to ID and ignore armor, so cover is all they'd get.
With twin link and Wyvern. IT is twin linked it would be able to reroll scatter dice as it states in barrage only roll a scatter for subsequent rolls to hit - hence that can be rerolled as it is twin linked.
Wow, that is one clean looking guard army. It's kinda nice to see someone paint up a set not completely covered in chipping and mud for once.
Matt is a
Well
Able player with the right
Attitude against not
Competitive lists.
Jeez, that's where they must've gotten dave from.
Markham Asylum.
"reclamation legion"
oh, gg than
miniwargaming Open-topped vehicles are +1 on the Damage table - Necron land vehicles' only down side. Matt, don't forget this. You mostly remember it.
Chariots are like fighting a walker - always vs front armour.
Is there any army who can defeat these "definitely not overpowered" necrons?
Nika Bakuradze I used Tyranids with The Swarmlord and tabled them. It was delicious retribution for what happened to my guardsmen in this video.
Boneswords work gang-busters. Once Swarmy and the Tyrant Guard got in it was all over.
Aaron Richards My Nids did very well :)
Bruce Davidson yeah nids maybe good enough but I want my favorite armies to defeat necrons, my favorites being space marines, tau and IG.
Nika Bakuradze My Ultramarines hit them pretty hard last week. Trick is to use superior range to your advantage and bring lots of low AP weapons.
Nika Bakuradze Eldar with their D weapons ignore Reanimation Protocols. As a Necron player, units that have more shots/attacks as opposed to less, more powerful attacks have been my bane. Gaunts have done more damage to me than Broadsides for example.
I think you make the best battle reports on youtube Matthew, keep it up man!
***** His are amazing, and often not one sided like the miniwargamign ones.
Jink doesn't increase cover saves (like stealth and Shrouding). Unless you have skilled rider. It's a standard 4+ save.
Ohhh god, watch out for the necron cheese, I am so hoping this is the first competent guard player on the channel
Those Imperial Guard look really well painted. Nice fun list too.
On other notes. OMG Necrons won AGAIN. Who would have thought that eternal Necrons zombie robots with anti armour automatic rifle things could defeat the cheap and replaceable WW2 themed Astra Militarum.
that pen save at 26:38 was cocked AF!
Ikr should have rerolled.
You think it's fair to only roll for sky fire even though it only helps you Matt?? He gets nothing out of skydive because you have no fliers but you get a huge advantage seems unfair just saying
Sean Atterberry It's pointless book keeping for Guard to get a cover save from an objective. But very important for Matt to have a chance to get skyfire.
So it's pointless for the guard to get a cover save but it's important that Matt doesn't snap fire on fliers? That makes sense to you so matts units need an advantage so he gets his but the ones that would benefit the guard they don't get?
Not saying that that it's not stupid bookkeeping but that doesn't mean you should throw away all the ones except the ones that benefit you....
Sean Atterberry I agree. Play with mysterious objectives or don't. Don't make up your own rules.
luske2 only the rulebook literally says you should bend the rules if you prefer. Which he does.
I'd like to point out he also does the whole only skyfire counts thing when he is the only one with fliers.
I like Matt and his batreps but 100% waste of time to watch a mid tier army with a casual list against the strongest army with detachments and a good list.
If Matt took a C'tan and some flayed ones I wouldn't look so poorly on this batrep. 10/10 shame
Skarsik N Truth be told he didn't even need to bring the decurion to beat this guy...the simple fact that he did is despicable, and the grade on shame well deserved.
+Hard-Edge Painting If you watched the video you would have known that the guy REQUESTED to play against necrons and somehow managed to beat eldar with a similar list. Stop complaining if you can't be bothered to actually pay attention to the video.
Jhon Mcbob An ass kicking, even if REQUESTED is still an ass kicking...no one wants to see that.
Welcome to another Matt Beats Batrep!
In cc chariots are treated as walkers, so, unless it's immobilised, front armour is the deal
Teskmehu Plus they split attacks between rider and chariot with the priest
Teskmehu Yeah, I read the rules in more detail once I got home and found out we played that wrong in both games. Can't get 'em all right. First time playing against a chariot so I'll know better for next time.
Yeah Bruce! Rocking that Dr Mcninja shirt! Represent!
Wyvern has two weapons that each shoot twice. You'll shoot the first one, roll scatter then reroll if you'd like, then roll scatter die for 2nd hit. Then shoot again with the second weapon, repeat. At least that's how I play it.
Timotepp That is not how it works... even if you have multiple wyverns they all follow the rules for multiple barrages.
Read the rules for multiple barrages on page 160 of the main rulebook under "If a unit fires more than one shot with the Barrage special rule, they fire together as follows:"
I can imagine the priest singing " Please don't please don't fail your armor saves because I don't want to die"
to be fair the IG player wanted to fight necrons, which I wouldnt tanks and vehicles are the bread and butter of the IG and you dont bring vehicles against necrons for that exact reason
92bagder Sly Marb- I mean Demolition Charge Veterans in a Vendetta.
92bagder Tanks are fine against Necrons, sure they glance on 6s but if they are behind a defence line they still get a 4+ cover, and they still have to get within 24" to shoot most weapons, I played a tournament against a necron player and I blasted his army apart at long range with only 2 leman russ battle tanks and a manticore, by the time he got close to try and glance them I was still getting 4+ cover and my infantry (which he ignored) were in range to shoot lasguns at his warriors and win the game, the tanks were merely a distraction.
Catachan NZ Sound like a super boring game with a moron of an opponent. So you sat there, shooting, and he walked at you. Real exciting stuff. Because you played one moron one time does not mean that Necrons do not absolutely wreck vehicles. It's all over this batrep.
I don't play against Necrons or Eldar anymore. Game is broke.
TheDBall73 Oh did I forget to mention that I had 2 melta veteran squads in chimeras which also zoomed up the board as a distraction and actually scored linebreaker? I also had 2 armoured sentinels which everyone says are shit and they moved up and intercepted his deadly wraiths and tied them up a bit before getting destroyed.
TheDBall73 Matt rolled 3 6s with 1 unit which was superbly lucky but this does not happen all the time against necrons
It may sound weird, but REAL armies might bring back shields, like Ogyrns do. Sure, it sounds crazy, but 100 years ago soldiers didn't wear HELMETS. Even a small shield could stop a bullet, so why not?
+Jago Sevetar
Knights' full plate armor wasn't discontinued because it was ineffective at stopping (era time) bullets. Armor was discontinued because armies grew larger and states didn't have the means to mass produce armor. So yes, I do not exclude that shields might be brought back sometime in the future. I could imagine tower shields as a cheaper way to break trough enemy lines than modern tanks.
"Do you ever roll so well you feel apologetic?"
I think back to the time my company champion made 8 6+ invulns from his combat shied and proceeded to pnch Ghazgull Thaka to death, or the time when my scout sergeant killed a demon prince in close combat, or the time when brothere-sergeant chronus killed 2 battlewagons after eaping from the wreck of his land raider
Yeah, Yeah I do
Well I know for SURE what the Song is, the Necrons got in their brain while slashing through enemy armies. "I'm a racing car, passing by like lady Godiva... don't. stop. me. nooooooow, I'm having sucha good time."
Couldn't even finish this. Matt, you basically stomped him, it was awful. Hope that felt good.
Good game Matt. Love the 'cron batreps. Keep it up.
What a cool IG list
The manticore is going to be perfect for this game, lots of 4+ armour saves.
My god, those rolls, if only we all could get that lucky.
How the hell did the leman russ tank park between that building and the pipe ?!?!?!?
v4arseneau A psyker lifted it and then placed it there to piss off the driver
It was clearly piloted by Austin Powers
Teskmehu Worlds greatest Inquisitor
Misplay @ 52:20. Chariots use front armor, not rear armor, so the pen should have been only a glance, thus the other guys still wouldnt have been able to glance it down.
The mysterious objective table is so bloody easy to memorize, all you do is put a dice next to or on the objective indicating which number it represents - which is not book keeping, no excuses.
OK I get that the opponent requested necrons but did Matt really have to take Douche-Curion again? I'm pretty sure in the necron codex review they did he said he probably wouldn't use this in EVERY GAME! When was the last necron batrep that Matt didn't take Decurion?
Save yourself some time. Skip to 15:45 and watch to 16:05 and then go watch something else because that pretty much happens the entire game.
Why is Matt using a competitive list from a High tier army against a non-competitive list from a mid tier army? ...
Triorchin My thoughts exactly, hence me turning to the comments section to try and shame Matt...If that's even possible knowing what he does to a poor man who drove nearly 2h to play him.
Because they guy requested it. He stated that in the beginning. Sounded like he took it fine and had fun.
TheMadMedek
Still, Matt should know better then to bring a knife to a pillow fight.
Hard-Edge Painting Matt always does this kind of stuff. He plays to win, very boring to watch especially given this attitude.
Triorchin In Matt's defense, we should know by now that he likes to use the most cheesiest OP shit he could so was this any surprise. With that being said Matt is still a bitch.
Matt is literally just playing Necrons, and a lot of people are missing the point of this anyway, this is a Beat Matt Batrep, the people who come on these should expect a mildly competitive game, there are no longer prizes for these battles but the objective is still to beat Matt, regardless. This guy asked to be a part of a beat Mat Batrep, which means he asked for a semi-competative game, and he asked for Necrons, this guy actually had somewhat of an advantage, he could have subtly list tailored. Also, Matt could do far worse in terms of the power level of his list, everyone is calling him "cheesy OP shit," yet he didnt bring any of the Necron flyers, didn't bring the canoptek wraith formation, didn't bring the lord in the reclmation legion in a massive blob of warriors with a cryptek to give a 4+ FNP even against instant death weapons. If you want to get mad, get mad at GW, but don't get upset at Matt for basically granting this guy's request, especially since the MWG guys probably don't look at the UA-cam comments anymore anyways.
Nicholas Leon Matt also is pretty consistently fair, one example being that he let the guy twin-link the secondary barrage templates on his Wyvern, which helps him more than accepting cocked die, especially since the cocked die rule is accepted across all MWG rolls, even the rolls made by their opponents.
Nicholas Leon I feel like people think that I was slighted by this smack-down. I'm not. It was fun to play, even though I was on the losing end. This was my first game against the Necrons, using a list I had a lot of success with against a tournament eldar list in a pair of close-fought battles.
*Shrugs*
It's beatable, I just need to re-evaluate things a little bit, and maybe optimize a bit more. :)
4 hull points for ghost arks? The crons have quite an unfair amount of good stats.
Harry Caley Except the Ghost Arks have negligible offensive power against anything other than vehicles, and die very easily to weapons that can cause a single pen (because of open topped giving +1 to damage results).
I agree you need to start using all of the mysterious objectives. I mean EVERY other player doesn't have a 4+ ignore dying on EVERY UNIT.
Everyone is hating on the Necrons - and they are right, the Decurion is over the top - but Matt also got very lucky with his rolls and the IG Player didn't play is tactic very well. If you want to ambush your opponent when he tries to grab board control, you have to really hide away. Not leave your choice pieces out in the open. He sure wanted to leave them as bait, and didn't expect Matt to get so lucky (unbelievable amount of 6s), but still he should have hidden the Lemans and should have baited with the Sentinels. Giving up first blood is not so bad in this edition, but it probably shouldn't be one of your most important units.
I like how Matt keeps thinking the Manticore is the Wyvern and the Wyvern is the Manticore 😂
I was wondering what would break first... Your morale, or your GHOST ARK!
As much as i love beat matt batreps, these necrons are RIDICULOUSLY broken.
One of the biggest problems with this battle report is that all the necrons weaknesses cannot be exploited because of the map size, not to mention that necrons are already really strong.
The tabletop equivalent of bringing a shotgun to a friendly bar brawl
Good Batrep.
Now,if you'll excuse me,I'll go cry over my terribly painted Guardsmen.
+Antonio Chekini how bad are they?
This skyfire shit is a bit unfair.. Ok so im not going to use flyers, and were not going to use mysterious objectives... But IF you bring a flyer then I have a chance of nerfing your list, while you get nothing. Seems fair to me
David Turner Matt also plays it that way when only he has flyers.
Another awesome batrep Matt! I only have Necrons so I will always enjoy watching you smash near on everything that stands in your way with your army (as op as they r...) haters gonna hate ;P
Your right! Haters will continue to hate boring and broken factions!
If u watched it, Matt had some epic dice rolling as well. Just saying...
peoples problem with the taurox is that it looks so out of place in imperial guard. It should have been in the inquisition or grey knights. Guard have always looked perfectly militaristic
I had necrons before the new 7th edition codex came out but now I have no intrest in fieldning them knowing how OP they are...
A little curious, I saw a video on your channel about the store closing, how are you able to take challenges? Do you go to a different store or something? Love the videos though, glad they can continue!
The priest with the bullgryns is almost exactly like a Warrior Priest in Fantasy.
Also besides some very bad / unlucky roll on the Astra Militarum side, it does feel like they are just weak as SHT. Sure they got some good tanks, but honestly this felt like 100% pownage...
In another episode when the Tyranids went vs Necrons, the Necrons still won, but only barely and the TYranids really were a threat throughout the game.
It's two years too late, but I feel it should be stated. For everyone that bemoans Matt using the Decurion, why not actually pay attention to the video and see how little that actually effected the game. His 4+ reanimation effected exactly two rolls, one on an Immortal and one on his Commander, the rest were saved on a 5+ (hmm FNP comes to mind). Move through cover only prevented one, maybe two instances where he would have had to roll for dangerous terrain. Which is still only a 1/6 chance to actually do anything. So, please, stop complaining about something just because everyone else complains about it, the reality is, Matt got incredibly lucky with his Objectives and rolls, and the AM player brought a list that does well he just ended up rolling badly, he even stated in the comments that he's beaten competitive Eldar lists with this army.
Necrons are an A tier army, but by no means the best, and whether or not he took the Decurion wouldn't have really changed the outcome of this game as already stated. In a sense, Necrons are the Blood Angels of shooting. Lot's of 3+ saves and 5+ 'FNP' saves, and get the job done, just as BA does in assault.
decurion also lets vehicles ignore crew stunned. and that got the annihilation barges into range on the IG player's left flank.
Say what you will about new necrons but the dice rolling and the card drawing were complete luck. The flyer at the end was downright hilarious!
26:37 is exactly what I hate about Matt. Always being slightly unsportsmanlike with minor things always ruled in his favor. Just be a man an reroll the damn dice.
SyntaxErrorXoXo Oh dude, that was a four.
He's got a house rule for that you know?
If it's clear what number it is from a 90 degrees angle looking on top of it it counts
+SyntaxErrorXoXo It was obviously a 4 dude, it wasn't at all kinked.
Boring and completely one-sided. I think I'm going to start skipping to the end just to see who wins... And then watch the video if it's not whom I suspected or it was a close fight.
ChipMHazard That's what I always do. These batreps are long- it's nice to see if they'll be interesting before investing the time.
ChipMHazard I agree, at least when it's necrons involved...
ChipMHazard gauss is extremely overpowered with the current meta. thats why you back field with battle cannons and not move forward to get gauss to death.
zurran00 i agree gauss is so strong in this edition but still if someone just had a fast melee army (BA, Daemons, space wolves, grey knights) then they would have a much better chance of winning (better than nec IMO) plus new eldar are really strong against necrons
ChipMHazard I've done this a few times, I might just skip the next one altogether
they should totally make a modern Game like this, With countries around the world Uk, US, Russia, China, India, Germany, Turkey, Greece and all the other countries with Militaries, would be cool to see scenarios and old rivals fight
To be fair, I feel like the Necrons won mainly due to luck and the fact the list the Guard brought could have been way more anti-tank. Guard were mainly anti-infantry which was much more challenging going against mech necrons.
BIG MAT BAT RAP
Its like they balanced Necrons in a bubble compared to the rest of the game..They dont really have any disadvantages
Their close combat isn't the best and they have lack of long range. Other than that they're probably the best mid range army in the game.
They also require specialized formations to function in a Decurion, and most of them have linchpin models that give them their strength such as the canoptek spyder being what makes the canoptek harvest so powerful. As such, if you kill that single model, the specific formations lose a lot of their bite.
Miniwargamming have you thought about doing any horus heresy battles?, love watching you guys battle both 40k and fantasy, all the way from the UK
I am I the only one that thinks the sky-fire way they did the objective this game was incredibly unfair? Even if it didn't make a difference. The IG player was the only one with a flyer....
You can't drive across half the UK in 2 hours . . . That's just my return journey to work and it's only across 1 county.
i dont know much about 40k but all the games ive watched necrons seem ridiculously OP.
If you take 3 wounds and it kills your necron, would you have to roll three times for Reanimation, per wound?
wait a sec... 24:14 he is partially covered....but his match necrons vs elder he had only the seat visible and still could shot all guns at the eldars... i most miss some rule here but...isn't the models weapons and body whats dictates if you can shot and get hit... and if it dose...did he that one time do any shot reduction for the wall in the way...i am a bit confused. like yes it is probably suppose to get that cover but...what about that other time.
Wow Guardsmen didn't even get close. Wow NECRONS in a nutshell.
I think they should do a bat rep or campaign with a Death Korps of Kreig army, or maybe Elysians.
I can't believe how expensive Warhammer is for you guys. I thought it was expensive where I live in the UK haha
Duby Takes A Tumble its more expensive outside UK because of shipping costs, since everything is manufactured there.
Watched the first turn and then had to skip to the end. As expected it was totally one sided. Guess the only positive thing I can say is: "atleast no wraiths", but then again it does not make much difference with tesla and 4+ reanimates. GW should put a warning sticker on necron, eldar (and to a lesser extend tau) models that you will find it difficult to get people to play with you.
Shoot me first! I won't fire until after your first salvo has landed! I don't know how in the fiction at 40,000 years in the future or after all the new rulesets this game STILL goes by gentleman's warfare.
Do Necrons still have a Royal Court? I'm wondering it before I upgrade my necrons to the new codex
those are some fantastic lookimg guard...
Personally, I think the Guard player should have brought a more anti-armor setup. I definitely would have traded the sentinels and wyvern for more russes, preferably putting Pask in a vanquisher.
okay, guys. You can make 3 nerfs (As in 3 individual function or stat changes) to the Necron Codex. What do you nerf and how hard?
I stopped watching this after I realized it was going to be a one sided slaughter.
IMPERIAL GUARD, FINALLY!!! MOREMOREMOREMMROPE
Friendly AM CAD vs Necron Decurion ...pass, I'd rather spend an hour watching paint dry.
i got my first squadron of necron lychguard made the other day!! :D
i liked the terrain it makes it more difficult. I dont like how steve brings strong shooting eldar lists and its like a barren open wasteland and the sad tyranids and orks huddle together in fear
Noob questions
1, Do you need to have models from 2012-15 to be legal or is it any model? (yes I'm sorry it's a dumb question but hey, some games require that I'm sure of)
2, Are the new Space Marines worth it? I'm thinking of going 6th edition or whatever edition Assukt in Black Reach with old codexes however I'm thinking about 7th edition with new codexes
at my local games group since no one there actually plays necrons we've basically decided that none of us will use necrons
Where can i find the chrome varnish the guy used for his necron army?
Hey Matt, you swing against Front armor on chariots, so the Krak grenades couldn't hurt it.
What I wouldnt give to see the new Eldar table matt's "Newrons". Just so he gets a taste of how it feels for once...
This cat should play marines, simply due to army build and play style. I play both and have for 20+ years.
dark angels vs blood angels 7k points
imperial guard vs imperial guard 8k points
What's the music being used as background for these batreps ?