Bill VanPatten: Why we CANNOT & DO NOT control what students learn

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👉 So many teachers focus on teaching when they should focus on something else. In this episode, we dive into this with the great Bill VanPatten.
Bill VanPatten is an award-winning scholar and teacher with an international reputation in the fields of second language acquisition and second language teaching. He is a requested speaker at conferences and meetings and over the course of his career he has given over 500 keynote speeches, plenaries, invited talks, and workshops.
We chat with Bill about why:
- the majority of teaching is not in accordance with SLA research
- Krashen was right
- teachers need to get rid of the "Atlas Complex"
- most people don't understand what a communicative classroom means
- grammar rules are not psychologically real
- many researchers don't want to talk to teachers
- understanding how non-college educated L1 speakers process language shows explicit instruction's ineffectiveness
- if learners can do your assignments using AI, the assignment is flawed
For more from Bill:
1. Visit his website: www.billvanpatten.net/
2. His recent article "Krashen forty years later: Final comments": www.researchgate.net/publicat...
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[@ccc-e1f]

Dear Bill, within World Language Education at CUNY Queens, you're our hero. I think that you and what you are doing is enough ❤ you are helping generations of learners

[@marisa.bernardes]

I’m not even halfway to the end, and yet I had to stop to leave a comment: What a rich, elucidating talk. Thank you so much for offering such a quality show for free.🙌🏻🌹👌

[@learnyourenglish397]

So great to hear that! Thanks for watching 👋. Feel free to add your takeaways when you get to the end as well.

[@eavesdropenglish]

Thank you all so much for this. It was a really great reminder of my roots in language teaching, which drew heavily on Krashen's theories. Looking forward to getting back to those roots and creating more effective ways to provide meaningful input. The input I received from Bill VanPatten has set me on a course to the revamp I've been needing.

[@plerpplerp5599]

She gave it to John and I," is incorrect because "I" is a subject pronoun, and in this sentence, it is used as an object.
In English grammar, the pronoun "I" is used when it is the subject of a verb (e.g., "I went to the store"), while "me" is used when it is the object of a verb or preposition (e.g., "She gave it to me").
The truth is, language is complex and evolving.
While "John and I went" is considered standard in formal English, "John and me went" is common in casual speech and some dialects.
Prescriptive grammar rules, like those from Robert Lowth, who thought pronouns should follow Latin rules, often don't reflect how people actually speak.
Many linguists argue that "John and me went" is perfectly valid in informal contexts.
Many people were corrected as children to say "John and I" instead of "John and me" when used as a subject. This has led to overcorrecting and using "I" even when "me" is correct as an object.
The pronoun I is often perceived as more formal or proper than "me," leading people to use it incorrectly in an attempt to sound more sophisticated.
While prescriptive grammarians like Robert Lowth have influenced English grammar rules, actual language use is shaped by how people speak and write in real life. Both "John and I" and "John and me" reflect this ongoing interaction between prescriptive rules and natural language evolution.
In fact, many of the grammatical constructions Lowth criticized were not widely considered incorrect before his influential work popularized these prescriptive rules.