That’s awesome! I love my TM 610. I did custom fit a narrower tire on the right hand side to mostly solve the unmowed edge trampling issue I was having. Hope it works out well for you!
Not to be a homer but new baler more important than new mower. IF new mower and dry hay then steel rollers. New mower without conditioner you have accomplished neither drying it faster nor getting it off faster when you need (new/er) baler. To be clear, love the video love hay making… thats how i would assess myself! Great work and have fun!!!
Hey there, thanks so much for watching and for the compliments! New equipment is always such a calculus. My reasoning is that I know and love my baler, and can fix a *lot* of it myself, and have a great sense of how things are working, what to watch out for, etc. Disc mowers are so deeply internal that I don't feel comfortable buying a used one and relying on it to always work. And my previous was a 5 footer, so this helped my one-person operation tackle more acreage much more smoothly, and indeed increased my capacity a lot. Not in what I can bale in one day, but instead what I can bale multiple days in a row (by flying out, mowing more, then back to working the first). Dealing with all small squares and barn limitations, a new baler wouldn't actually help me get any more hay up in a given day, unless my 124 starts to act up. Really what I need is a large barn I can park full wagons in - but without owning any of my acreage, and with slim hay margins, that's not really in the picture either... Anyway, just my thoughts too! But everyone's situations vary so much, *especially* by region. (I don't see steel rollers in these parts hardly ever - and I still maintain I'm getting dry (grass!) hay in the same windows as folks with conditioners. I talk about that a lot in my "why I don't want a conditioner" video, if you're interested :) Thanks again!
@@windrowfarm Your points are well received. I farmed outside of Syracuse New York and my buddy bought my hay and shipped it to your region into the Boston Connecticut Rhode Island areas some New Hampshire. I had a girlfriend in North Hampton I know your area well. Not a lot of Hayground small fields but I would say weather better than what we get them upstate New York. I started my own operation in 2014 I gave it up two years ago. But I was mowing about a couple hundred acres. And I could always mow more than I could put away putting it away was always the problem it will always will be the problem and then a business getting it off the field not mowing yet. I think I can make that as an absolute statement. I will say that the discbines in general Are really miracles in engineering. They are so bulletproof unless you hit a big rock. I am not the most mechanical and a great mechanic. But I have changed out turtles and replaced whole sections of my discbine a new Holland 313. For dry a steel rollers will get the crimp. And back to your point specifically multiple days of bailing, steel rollers I can tell you will give you a day to a day and a half less dry time. My buddy has a self-propelled with two steel rollers as well as conditioners. We also have a disc bine with rubber rollers conditioners. And it is amazing that what we mow with the self-propelled Will actually dry a full day sooner than the pull behind with rubber rollers, so the idea of no conditioners is a little bit of a wow especially in the north country like you’re in. The upside is that you can go get one of those conditioners as a pull behind, I have used those. Also hay margins shouldn’t be so bad in your area. New England is one of the lowest producing areas of hay and alfalfa in the country, to the right customers it’s very valuable. Good first cutting is green 10 and $11 throughout your entire region the east of you an hour and a half. I know fuel and fertilizer suck right now but I don’t think you’re using much fertilizer probably? Anyway everybody’s operation is different but I’m just giving you nickels worth of free advice, the most important machine you have on that farm is going to be a Bailer long-term. You’re mower can break down in the middle of mowing hay and not have a tremendous amount of impact, if you’re Baler breaks down when the rain is coming You have a lot more at risk. Great Baler And plenty of wagons of course is your best friend for a single man operation, that’s what I did. I had a 5070 and six wagons and I could put about 1100 bales on a day by myself. It’s tough no question cause I had to rake my own shit most of the time, so you’re spending a lot of the day raking when you could be Ballin so it’s all a game and it’s so much fun :-)!
Very good video! You should get good service out of the mower. That’s the same cutter bar my 3 point mower has except you have one more disc. Take care!
Thanks so much! Yeah, I saw you had a vermeer too! I’m hopeful that when I get the un-mowed strip problem dialed in that it will be a beast. It’s already amazing otherwise.
I bet it might have to do with that outer drum. Do not be surprised when things are assembled wrong at the dealer. COMMON! Maybe make sure turtles are all on correctly but more likely that drum
awesome my smallest fields are 700 acres now my dream was to farm big and have big equipment and a lot of them too come with a lot more stress to my step-parent never had new farm machinery most of the machinery was very well worn out when they got it too
at 6.08 mins into the video it looks like the mower is tilting forward , however that may just be an an optical illusion , but if that is occurring when it is down at cutting height then the saucers holding the blades will not be level. I found on my PZ185H 3 point drum mower If the drums are not level the blades will cut deep in the centre but higher on the sides or not cut at all . Maybe place a spirit level on top of the saucer and see if level , if not maybe adjust the mower tongue up higher on the tractor draw bar to where it is level ? Bet that meadow hay smells nice , I came to a similar conclusion to you , getting the time for tedding right gets the hay drying faster and you end up baling green but dry hay as good as if you had used a conditioner with most of the metabolizable energy still in it , would have been nice to see some red clover in that hay though . You keep your machinery in good condition , nice fergies I has a 165 eight speed and 135 to, now use old fiat 640s and still the 135 as can get parts easier and cheaper, (they make them in Pakistan still ) tractors are cheaper, they have the same model in a white and oliver tractor in the US/Canada great video !
Hey there, thanks so much! Yeah, the frame of that mower is an illusion - it looks tipped, but the cutterbar runs nice and level. Even adjusting for different heights it stays level and cuts clean, but I appreciate the thought! Nice to know about the ferguson connection - would be curious to see if you take some videos! Thanks for the thoughts and for watching!
@@windrowfarm Hi mate I only have one video on you tube if you click my name above it should take you there , It is of my fergy 135 pulling a double bucket scraper I made, that I am applying a US patent for for the uniqueness of two buckets and weight transfer off the tractor draw bar when lifting the top bucket . good to know your mower is level when cutting , maybe some type of tine deflector on the side front of the mower would deflect the grass to the mower blades ? Ian New Zealand
@@jeffnoblin889 oh, cool! It absolutely was the right tire being too wide and trampling some of the un-cut grass. I put a narrower tire & rim on the right the next year, and it’s been 95% solved. Loving the mower now that it’s dialed in. Thanks for watching/asking!
Thanks! Yeah, bale throwers are pretty common in New England, at least. A lot of 124’s did come with throwers, though mine didn’t, and I added it about six years ago. (It’s actually a New Holland #70 thrower that I custom fitted to the baler). It certainly makes this one-person operation work well (until I have extra hands at the barn!). Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed watching this...I was curious why when you are mowing you didn't take your first pass going counterclockwise. That's what I always do so I can get closer to the edge. Then I turn around and go clockwise. Also--try to slow down how quickly you move the camera. You're making us dizzy!
Hi there - thanks for watching! Always funny how people open fields differently. I’ve always opened going clockwise, then cut the backswath at the end. Partly because I’m always worried about something lurking in there (branch, rock, etc), so if I hit something I’d rather it be at the end of a mowing than the beginning. Also on these small fields it’d mean a lot of trampling of un-mowed hay to turn back around to clockwise if cutting the back swath first. But that’s not to say either way is right/wrong! And ha, sorry on the shaky cam! Was definitely rushed while taking a lot of this, and while at the time I think of it as a video journal for me in the winter / future years, I forget I’m subjecting others to it too 😆. I appreciate the reminder (even if just to edit out those bits when posting here). Thanks!
Really like to Vermeer TM 610 looks like it really mows great. Have you had any problems that you would care to share. I'm thinking about buying one for next season.
Hi there! I love it. Only complaint I had (shown in this video) is that the right wheel is too close to uncut hay, and in a heavy crop creates a trampling problem of the unmowed hay edge, causing poor stubble on the next pass. Vermeer sent me a wheel relocation kit, but I also got the swath board add on, and that seems to help. I’d absolutely recommend the swath board, it really helps create a nice space for the shoe on the next pass. Mows clean as can be on second cut, and runs comfortably up/down hill on a Massey 165. Where abouts are you?
@@windrowfarm I live in Kentucky, The only thing I worry about is my hay fields are rolling hills and wonder about the cut and missing any or not cutting. I really like the way the swath board lays it over from the uncut hay and makes a clear path.
I bought a new TM610 last fall. Tried it 1st time last week. Mine is leaving a strip that is not cut as close. What did you finally do to get your's right? Thanks
Hey there! Oh gosh, welcome to the club! It’s an excellent mower, but ack, the strip! I had the same problem!! The right tire is too wide and tramples the un-cut edge of grass. Fought with it all of 2022 - then last year I got a narrower tire (and rim) - just about entirely solved the problem, along with getting the swath board add-on (which I think helps too, making more space for the left shoe to ride on the next pass for a cleaner cut on anything that did get trampled). If you want to email me, I can try to find details of exactly what I ordered, if at all helpful. windrowfarmconway@gmail.com. Such a frustrating issue on an otherwise *great* mower. I hope you enjoy it once getting this settled. But ugh, I sympathize!
@@michaelkroger899 thanks! That’s what they tried to propose, but I really hated that option. I installed a narrower wheel on that side instead, and totally fixed the problem without trampling the hay or changing the balance of the mower
Hello to me I think they sold you the wrong machine for what your cutting just my opinion. I like vermeer dont get me wrong but new machine like that should not miss any. Have a great day.
It’s definitely been frustrating. The mower is amazing otherwise - and Vermeer came through with a proposed solution to relocate the right wheel to the inside of the frame - they’ll be sending me the kit to do it. Not sure what else I could have gotten though, what were you thinking? And thanks!
It’s a mix - some orchardgrass, timothy, other “native grasses”. Some sweet vernal grass has moved in in spots (but thankfully not too much), and the upper “plateau” is more reed canary (but thankfully comes out pretty nicely when mowed this early.). I bet the field hasn’t been reseeded in 50+ years (not an easy feat with the topography and rocks, I’m not about to try). But good fertility and diligent haying has been improving it over the years. Thanks for tuning in!
@@jdoconnor8883 oh whoops, and I actually misspoke on grass types (I didn’t realize which video this was). No reed canary in this stuff (or sweet vernal). Mostly orchard/timothy and finer grasses though.
@@windrowfarm yes sir I live on 10 acres that I eventually want to produce hay with. Im from South Texas, down here the coastal grasses are the most produced. The land I purchased was used in the past for cane, and shorgum and the current bluestem on it is not to good of quality.
@@jdoconnor8883 that’s right, sorry that I forgot! UA-cam doesn’t have an easy cheat for me to go back and remember who has commented what in the past. Thanks!
DOING IT OLD SCHOOL I LOVE IT ! BEST VIDEO I HAVE SEEN IN A WHILE EVERYTHING IS SO MODERN NOW
Hey, thanks so much!! Glad you enjoyed it, kicking off this season in a couple of weeks hopefully!
Just bought the tm 710 love it so far.
That’s awesome! I love my TM 610. I did custom fit a narrower tire on the right hand side to mostly solve the unmowed edge trampling issue I was having. Hope it works out well for you!
Not to be a homer but new baler more important than new mower. IF new mower and dry hay then steel rollers. New mower without conditioner you have accomplished neither drying it faster nor getting it off faster when you need (new/er) baler. To be clear, love the video love hay making… thats how i would assess myself! Great work and have fun!!!
Hey there, thanks so much for watching and for the compliments! New equipment is always such a calculus. My reasoning is that I know and love my baler, and can fix a *lot* of it myself, and have a great sense of how things are working, what to watch out for, etc. Disc mowers are so deeply internal that I don't feel comfortable buying a used one and relying on it to always work. And my previous was a 5 footer, so this helped my one-person operation tackle more acreage much more smoothly, and indeed increased my capacity a lot. Not in what I can bale in one day, but instead what I can bale multiple days in a row (by flying out, mowing more, then back to working the first). Dealing with all small squares and barn limitations, a new baler wouldn't actually help me get any more hay up in a given day, unless my 124 starts to act up. Really what I need is a large barn I can park full wagons in - but without owning any of my acreage, and with slim hay margins, that's not really in the picture either...
Anyway, just my thoughts too! But everyone's situations vary so much, *especially* by region. (I don't see steel rollers in these parts hardly ever - and I still maintain I'm getting dry (grass!) hay in the same windows as folks with conditioners. I talk about that a lot in my "why I don't want a conditioner" video, if you're interested :)
Thanks again!
@@windrowfarm Your points are well received. I farmed outside of Syracuse New York and my buddy bought my hay and shipped it to your region into the Boston Connecticut Rhode Island areas some New Hampshire. I had a girlfriend in North Hampton I know your area well. Not a lot of Hayground small fields but I would say weather better than what we get them upstate New York. I started my own operation in 2014 I gave it up two years ago. But I was mowing about a couple hundred acres. And I could always mow more than I could put away putting it away was always the problem it will always will be the problem and then a business getting it off the field not mowing yet. I think I can make that as an absolute statement. I will say that the discbines in general Are really miracles in engineering. They are so bulletproof unless you hit a big rock. I am not the most mechanical and a great mechanic. But I have changed out turtles and replaced whole sections of my discbine a new Holland 313. For dry a steel rollers will get the crimp. And back to your point specifically multiple days of bailing, steel rollers I can tell you will give you a day to a day and a half less dry time. My buddy has a self-propelled with two steel rollers as well as conditioners. We also have a disc bine with rubber rollers conditioners. And it is amazing that what we mow with the self-propelled Will actually dry a full day sooner than the pull behind with rubber rollers, so the idea of no conditioners is a little bit of a wow especially in the north country like you’re in. The upside is that you can go get one of those conditioners as a pull behind, I have used those. Also hay margins shouldn’t be so bad in your area. New England is one of the lowest producing areas of hay and alfalfa in the country, to the right customers it’s very valuable. Good first cutting is green 10 and $11 throughout your entire region the east of you an hour and a half. I know fuel and fertilizer suck right now but I don’t think you’re using much fertilizer probably? Anyway everybody’s operation is different but I’m just giving you nickels worth of free advice, the most important machine you have on that farm is going to be a Bailer long-term. You’re mower can break down in the middle of mowing hay and not have a tremendous amount of impact, if you’re Baler breaks down when the rain is coming You have a lot more at risk. Great Baler And plenty of wagons of course is your best friend for a single man operation, that’s what I did. I had a 5070 and six wagons and I could put about 1100 bales on a day by myself. It’s tough no question cause I had to rake my own shit most of the time, so you’re spending a lot of the day raking when you could be Ballin so it’s all a game and it’s so much fun :-)!
Very good video! You should get good service out of the mower. That’s the same cutter bar my 3 point mower has except you have one more disc. Take care!
Thanks so much! Yeah, I saw you had a vermeer too! I’m hopeful that when I get the un-mowed strip problem dialed in that it will be a beast. It’s already amazing otherwise.
@@windrowfarm I can’t figure the strip out unless like someone else said some teeth are on in the wrong direction.
@@khtractors yeah, that’s unfortunately not it - I wish it was something that simple. Currently working with the dealer on troubleshooting
I bet it might have to do with that outer drum. Do not be surprised when things are assembled wrong at the dealer. COMMON! Maybe make sure turtles are all on correctly but more likely that drum
awesome my smallest fields are 700 acres now my dream was to farm big and have big equipment and a lot of them too come with a lot more stress to my step-parent never had new farm machinery most of the machinery was very well worn out when they got it too
Wow, 700??? That’s amazing. Definitely different parts of the country / world 😆
at 6.08 mins into the video it looks like the mower is tilting forward , however that may just be an an optical illusion , but if that is occurring when it is down at cutting height then the saucers holding the blades will not be level.
I found on my PZ185H 3 point drum mower If the drums are not level the blades will cut deep in the centre but higher on the sides or not cut at all .
Maybe place a spirit level on top of the saucer and see if level , if not maybe adjust the mower tongue up higher on the tractor draw bar to where it is level ?
Bet that meadow hay smells nice , I came to a similar conclusion to you , getting the time for tedding right gets the hay drying faster and you end up baling green but dry hay as good as if you had used a conditioner with most of the metabolizable energy still in it , would have been nice to see some red clover in that hay though .
You keep your machinery in good condition ,
nice fergies I has a 165 eight speed and 135 to, now use old fiat 640s and still the 135 as can get parts easier and cheaper, (they make them in Pakistan still ) tractors are cheaper, they have the same model in a white and oliver tractor in the US/Canada
great video !
Hey there, thanks so much! Yeah, the frame of that mower is an illusion - it looks tipped, but the cutterbar runs nice and level. Even adjusting for different heights it stays level and cuts clean, but I appreciate the thought! Nice to know about the ferguson connection - would be curious to see if you take some videos! Thanks for the thoughts and for watching!
@@windrowfarm Hi mate I only have one video on you tube if you click my name above it should take you there , It is of my fergy 135 pulling a double bucket scraper I made, that I am applying a US patent for for the uniqueness of two buckets and weight transfer off the tractor draw bar when lifting the top bucket .
good to know your mower is level when cutting , maybe some type of tine deflector on the side front of the mower would deflect the grass to the mower blades ?
Ian New Zealand
i think i read your post about leaving strips on hay talk. hope you got it figured out. are you still happy with the mower?
@@jeffnoblin889 oh, cool! It absolutely was the right tire being too wide and trampling some of the un-cut grass. I put a narrower tire & rim on the right the next year, and it’s been 95% solved. Loving the mower now that it’s dialed in. Thanks for watching/asking!
I like how that bailer ejects the bails into the wagon for one man operation. Is that standard on the Massey Ferguson 124 bailer or some option?
Thanks! Yeah, bale throwers are pretty common in New England, at least. A lot of 124’s did come with throwers, though mine didn’t, and I added it about six years ago. (It’s actually a New Holland #70 thrower that I custom fitted to the baler). It certainly makes this one-person operation work well (until I have extra hands at the barn!). Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed watching this...I was curious why when you are mowing you didn't take your first pass going counterclockwise. That's what I always do so I can get closer to the edge. Then I turn around and go clockwise. Also--try to slow down how quickly you move the camera. You're making us dizzy!
Hi there - thanks for watching! Always funny how people open fields differently. I’ve always opened going clockwise, then cut the backswath at the end. Partly because I’m always worried about something lurking in there (branch, rock, etc), so if I hit something I’d rather it be at the end of a mowing than the beginning. Also on these small fields it’d mean a lot of trampling of un-mowed hay to turn back around to clockwise if cutting the back swath first. But that’s not to say either way is right/wrong!
And ha, sorry on the shaky cam! Was definitely rushed while taking a lot of this, and while at the time I think of it as a video journal for me in the winter / future years, I forget I’m subjecting others to it too 😆. I appreciate the reminder (even if just to edit out those bits when posting here).
Thanks!
Really like to Vermeer TM 610 looks like it really mows great. Have you had any problems that you would care to share. I'm thinking about buying one for next season.
Hi there! I love it. Only complaint I had (shown in this video) is that the right wheel is too close to uncut hay, and in a heavy crop creates a trampling problem of the unmowed hay edge, causing poor stubble on the next pass. Vermeer sent me a wheel relocation kit, but I also got the swath board add on, and that seems to help. I’d absolutely recommend the swath board, it really helps create a nice space for the shoe on the next pass.
Mows clean as can be on second cut, and runs comfortably up/down hill on a Massey 165.
Where abouts are you?
@@windrowfarm I live in Kentucky, The only thing I worry about is my hay fields are rolling hills and wonder about the cut and missing any or not cutting. I really like the way the swath board lays it over from the uncut hay and makes a clear path.
@@stevenwalker8608 lots of hilly ground here too, and rocks. I find it follows the contour and does a great job
@@windrowfarm Thank you I really enjoy your videos
@@stevenwalker8608 thanks so much!
I bought a new TM610 last fall. Tried it 1st time last week. Mine is leaving a strip that is not cut as close. What did you finally do to get your's right? Thanks
Hey there! Oh gosh, welcome to the club! It’s an excellent mower, but ack, the strip! I had the same problem!! The right tire is too wide and tramples the un-cut edge of grass. Fought with it all of 2022 - then last year I got a narrower tire (and rim) - just about entirely solved the problem, along with getting the swath board add-on (which I think helps too, making more space for the left shoe to ride on the next pass for a cleaner cut on anything that did get trampled). If you want to email me, I can try to find details of exactly what I ordered, if at all helpful. windrowfarmconway@gmail.com.
Such a frustrating issue on an otherwise *great* mower. I hope you enjoy it once getting this settled. But ugh, I sympathize!
vermeer bring out a kit to bring right weel from outside to inside..problem fixed thx
@@michaelkroger899 thanks! That’s what they tried to propose, but I really hated that option. I installed a narrower wheel on that side instead, and totally fixed the problem without trampling the hay or changing the balance of the mower
@@windrowfarm 🙂
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Hello to me I think they sold you the wrong machine for what your cutting just my opinion. I like vermeer dont get me wrong but new machine like that should not miss any. Have a great day.
It’s definitely been frustrating. The mower is amazing otherwise - and Vermeer came through with a proposed solution to relocate the right wheel to the inside of the frame - they’ll be sending me the kit to do it. Not sure what else I could have gotten though, what were you thinking? And thanks!
@@windrowfarm Hello hope that cures the problem. It's hard for me to say considering I'm only watching a video.
@@jamesmorrison1884 yeah, I totally get that. It’s been frustrating
What kind of grass is that??
It’s a mix - some orchardgrass, timothy, other “native grasses”. Some sweet vernal grass has moved in in spots (but thankfully not too much), and the upper “plateau” is more reed canary (but thankfully comes out pretty nicely when mowed this early.). I bet the field hasn’t been reseeded in 50+ years (not an easy feat with the topography and rocks, I’m not about to try). But good fertility and diligent haying has been improving it over the years. Thanks for tuning in!
@@windrowfarm thanks. I just subbed
@@jdoconnor8883 oh whoops, and I actually misspoke on grass types (I didn’t realize which video this was). No reed canary in this stuff (or sweet vernal). Mostly orchard/timothy and finer grasses though.
@@windrowfarm yes sir I live on 10 acres that I eventually want to produce hay with. Im from South Texas, down here the coastal grasses are the most produced. The land I purchased was used in the past for cane, and shorgum and the current bluestem on it is not to good of quality.
@@jdoconnor8883 that’s right, sorry that I forgot! UA-cam doesn’t have an easy cheat for me to go back and remember who has commented what in the past. Thanks!
Double check knife directions. Or maybe flipped upside down. Can leave strips !
Thanks! I wish it were that, but those are correct
That’s what you get when you buy a discbine without a conditioner on it
Hi there, which aspect are you referring to?