300 Blackout vs 5 56 My Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Today we talk about two of the most popular calibers for the AR15, 300 blackout and 5.56. Let me tell you some of my thoughts on them but the short answer is yes, I love them both!
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Thank you! My goal is to give people as much information as I can! Now getting some people to understand is a completely different story.
I would take 5.56 over 300 personally. The 300blk was intended for cqb effectiveness with a short barrel. The 5.56 requires a high velocity to get maximum effectiveness, and that requires a longer barrel, which is difficult in CQB situations. If we are talking a SHTF situations most of us will not be doing CQB. We also know that most combat situations are between 100 to 250 meters. That being said the 5.56 will be the most effective in most people's SHTF situations.
But 300blk is awesome suppressed, and fun too shoot.
That is true, 5.56 can be used for both cqb and distance if need be, and 300bo is only for cqb
Its a fad round but will one day dry up its not issued militarily and so won't be cranked out of somewhere like China or Russia.
It was meant to replace 9mm in submachine guns now people hand load them to case splitting tolerances and pressures just to prove its better than 7.62x39 and 7.62x39 still beats it out on range most of the time anyway because the drop off of .300bo is atrocious its drops like a brick
5.56 is in another league its competitors are 6mm creed more and 224 Valkyrie
there are multiple loadings of 300blk....the heavy stuff obviously for cqb...but the lighter stuff (under 125 grains) are very good out to 300m.
lol biased much ? Your statement was weird you just stated that it’s most common to have a gun fight within 100-300 yards which both rounds are very capable of , so you choose a (5.56) because it’s more effective, if I hit you with both you wouldn’t tell a difference , ballistics have shown both rounds would do the job
308 trumps both
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I learned a lot from this! Keep dropping the knowledge! ❤
Thank you! Will do!
Very informative. Nice tools! For me, they are both essential as they each serve complementary missions.
Agreed! Thank you for watching!
300 blackout is just so fun to shoot.
Waiting on my blackout defense 300 blackout. Current 300 blackout is my PSA 😂
i really like mine. they keep growing..just one more.. a piston driven 300
Love The Continuous content.
300bo has a similar bc as x.39 and similar energy from a 10 inch barrel as 5.56 through a 16 while less velocity. Supers are great on soft targets and with prices being what they are i think 300 is a great intermediate cartridge for self defense home defense or shtf if you have a reliable stock of ammo.
I love 300 blk supers
I love my 300 blackout and my hand load Hornady 110 grain VMAX going over 2400 fps and have over 1400 foot pounds of energy they a round that I've seen mess deer up bad and do a good amount of damage
@@patb7723 what barrel length are you running?
@@BoiFastIve got a 16 inch with a pistol length gas to stay in rifle territory and the extra couple inches of inch works well on deer , after 9 or 10 inches you don't get a super huge difference but it gives me an extra couple hundred fps and a bit more knock down power.
" similar energy from a 10 inch barrel as 5.56 through a 16 " That depends on which bullets in each cartridge that you are comparing. MK262 from a 10 inch has slightly more energy than 150 gr 300 blk from a 10 inch. The difference in energy from even 110 Tac-Tx and Mk262 or 70 TSX from a 10.3 is about 20% at the muzzle. But those 5.56 rounds have a much higher ballistic coefficient, so at range they end up with more retained energy. The heavier the grain weight of 300 blk, the more the energy difference at the muzzle goes down compared to the 70+ grain 5.56 loads.
Just built my first AR in 300blk and came to the conclusion after alot of research that you cannot completely cheap out on a it like one in 5.56. To make the most out of 300blk having a 1:5 twist barrel, an adjustable bcg or gas block, and a silencer are the foundation. Also to keep its compactness, add a folding adapter or pdw stock and maybe a 2nd tax stamp to sbr it. It sure aint cheap especially with ammo cost.
That’s part of the reason why I want to inform people as best as I can
Just some information for you guys.
My form 4 for my first suppressor came back in 6 days. Filed as an individual and purchased from a gun shop not silencer shop.
Then today my first form 1 came back. It cleared in 4 days. These two forms were my first nfa items.
I think they may have fixed the system for those of us who file as individuals.
First time I hear this. Incredible.....Good to know TY
Excellent, thorough, and fun review. Love both calibers. Absolutely love my two SIG Rattlers in 556/223 and 300 BLK. Fun , reliable, solid, but heavy. Sold my Q Honey Badger. Didn't like the internal operating system ie interior plumbing. Considering the new Q HB in 223/556. My Beretta ARX-100 has been super reliable and light weight. Absolutely love that rifle. I waited eleven years for her. The MCX's I use for travel at night and when traveling to other states. And as a bedside gun. The Robinson Arms XCR in 7.62X39 is an awesome rifle and super reliable rifle. The folding stock on it makes it just perfect and the inexpensive/powerful ammunition: .30 calibre/ high powered. Peace
Thanks for watching! Sounds like you have good taste in guns as well! Sad to hear you didn't like your Honey Badger. I like mine more than my rattler at the moment.
@@mudgunner Sold my Q HB to a Department of Defense agent on vacation. He had the brace and the suppressor for it., As well as a Q FIX 8.6.? I am still in the honey moon phase with my rattlers. And it's been several years. I've had like sixty high quality firearms. And sold like thirty. Having twice 5X or 6x different types of AR's in 556/223 and five or six in 7.62X39 at a .time. Thanks for taking the time to answer. Sold many because it was just too many and in a disaster Hurricane etc. I can't get everything loaded into my car and wife's car. Plus 9,000 rounds of different ammunition. I have a range in my backyard and retired young twelve years ago. I spent many decades collecting firearms. Peace
Cost is the deciding factor.
Over the length of life for both, 300 will always cost more.
300 blackout can be found for pennies more than 5.56. prices aren't $1.50 a round anymore they are almost identical if not the same price in the next year.
Most people’s opinion on the cartridges stem from military assessments/anecdotes & not real world use.
I’ve never had any military experience, but am a very avid Hunter.
With that experience in mind, I prefer to use 300 blackout If you’ve ever tried to put an animal down with 556 especially a feral hog you will grab the larger caliber every time. 556/223 even when using the curiously expensive hunting rounds they are just not adequate at putting targets in the ground effectively. Even if you speak to people who have used it in combat, most military doctrine is unloading as many bullets into a target as possible, which I believe is born from the use of intermediate caliber cartridges that lack in power.
You do not see this issue when using full power cartridges such as 308/3006- and I am not implying that 300 BLK is in the same ballpark as a full power cartridge but it definitely has more pep to step then the .22 especially out of a smaller barrel.
Again to reiterate, I believe the best test for caliber effectiveness is a hunting application. if it is suitable to drop a large game, it will definitely be suitable to drop a two legged target. Case in point- .223 is not a legal hunting caliber in many states in the US.
Good luck finding ammo. That's why I love 5.56 because it is on every gun store shelf.
PSA Website:
556 ammo = 60 cents
300blk supersonic ammo = 60 cents
300blk subsonic ammo = 80 cents
You taught me something, I already got a CMMG 556 , I’m just buy a 300 blackout upper for it. Thanks
Do it bro you will not regret it
Just make sure you get marking rubber bands for which mags for each caliber cause a 300 blackout will chamber in a 5.56 but make a really crappy day and blow your gun up
@@patb7723 if you're lucky, it'll blow up only your gun
@@techytech1yeah that why I stick to only one of the two popular calibers so if all the rounds I got for that caliber and what chambered in definitely a lot safer
For handloading, 300 blk. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve reloaded some cases, and they just don’t get longer. I hate having to trim 5.56. It’s pretty easy to get better supersonic velocities than factory ammo, and subs can be tailored to your gun. 300 blk takes less powder per round, and is more forgiving on the barrel throat.
best thing about 556/300blk is that you can just swap an upper and you're basically good to go
Love both
I have a Honey Badger with a Thunder Chicken and when I shoot subsonic the spring recoil is literally louder than the shot! I call it a "M*rder Gun" because in night time CQB with night vision you could clear a house without a single person waking up.
Honey Badger rules! I've been a fan since the beginning
top ones for me are my Sugar weasel 7 inch in 300 BO and XCR 12 inch in 556
Great video my friend
I appreciate the lesson.
Thank you for watching!
is it legal to have a pistol carbine chambered in 5.56. was looking at getting the scar but shorter barrel. i think its the scar 16 i forget
Hey while you are doing AR videos maybe explain what the symbol it that is on the upper like the square,keyhole,and the A .
Those symbols are the forge marks. It identifies the company that forged the raw aluminum unit.
Yup I think only a few forges make all the forged uppers for a lot of company's if not mistaken
Hey new here and also interested in suppressing 7.62x39. I do have some Brown Bear subs. You said that running steal cased ammo can wear out a can faster? Can you explain, I'm confused since it's the case that is steel and it gets ejected...thanks
I may have worded that poorly. Steel case ammo in general is made from cheaper components and wears guns out faster. I believe all the parts will last longer with better quality ammo
@@mudgunner got it, thanks for the response!
Bravo.thenks
Thanks for watching
Great vid
Thanks for watching!
Has anyone ran 300blk with the 762ti from huxwrks? I’m curious with the minimal back pressure from the can design paired with running subs
I haven't yet but maybe in the future
Love SCARs, but holy 50 shades of FDE. Lol
That's what I'm going for!
What scope do you have on the 556 and hand guard & straps on the Q
Elcan Specter DR 1-4x on the Scar and a custom wrap my friend made on the Honeybadger
I love 300 blackout, until I’ve got to buy ammo
Me too!
Best can for a 300 blkout
For sound my Honey Badger SD but if you're running it on another gun I'd say Q Thunder Chicken. If you want a combination of sound and durability I'm thinking the Surefire SPS (That's one I want to buy)
350 legend rocks in ar platform.
I love my 450 bushy
Amy recommendation on a complete upper?
BCM if you can find one
@@mudgunner that's what I was thinking. Thank you
I’d say 556 is good to start with because you can get it for .50 cents a round, but over time 300 bo is better, because most people like a 10” barrel and that’s crazy for a 556 but much better for 300 bo
MK262 from a 10.3 inch 5.56 has a longer effective range, than anything in 300 blackout from a 16 inch barrel. Muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient matters.
@@es4583 true, but most shooters don’t shoot past 100 yards or even have a range that shoots that far, but yes 5.56 is better at and beyond 100 yards
Help me understand why you’d pay so much for a 5.56 Scar L instead of a 308/7.62x51, it seems to me like almost buying a (V6) muscle car , or even like buying an AK that shoots 5.56
The Scar L is 5.56 and the Scar H is 308. I own both because they run extremely well. I enjoy piston rifles in general and have been collecting the major manufacturers of them. Also 5.56 in an Ak runs like a dream in the right setup! My 5.56 Arsenal is one of the softest guns to run. And lastly I only buy V8 muscle cars because I agree that the V6 isn’t worth it for what I want in a car
@@mudgunner nicely said
Where I live I haven’t seen a $400 where I live cheapest I seen is about 790
I prefer shooting supressed, so 300 blackout all day long.
I love suppressed sub 300blackout but unfortunately my wallet doesn't
5.7 for the win
5.7 is nice but it’s limited in capabilities
I don't know if you're basing your pricing off of your local shops, but online 7.62x39 is definitely cheaper than 300blk and 308.
Maybe I'm missing something but how does steel case damage your suppressor more? Are you using corrosive? Hornady makes brass cased 255gr 7.62x39, if you're worried about that, either way. It's expensive but good stuff.
On gunbroker I see 300 blackout around same price as 762x39 70-90 cents a round and on palmetto state armory website I see AAC ammo for 60 cents a round a little cheaper than 762x39
@@StackinGreene on ammoseek, lowest 7.62x39 is 42cpr, 300blk is 48cpr.
For some reason my first reply got deleted, but ammo seek shows the lowest 300blk at 48 cents and 7.62x39 at 42 cents.
@@SquallWulfhart is that steel case x39 compared to brass cased 300blk?
@revolutionanarchy713 Yes. Nothing wrong with steel, unless you're a reloader, in which case, you wouldn't be looking up cheap ammo to begin with.
What does the casing of your round have to do with running through a suppressor? Let me know if you need a hint.
The components of the round in general are cheaper and cause more wear on your gun. Maybe saying suppressor in specific was the wrong wording to use but brass ammo in general is better for your gun
It deforms different than brass. Not a problem in AK variants with looser chamber tolerances. Steel can fail to eject in ARs especially suppressed
Everyone with a 300blkout not suppressed right now…😢
It’s okay. This is all just my opinion
I started with .300blk ages ago. Was considered a fad a decade ago, and still is by some tards. Not sure it meets the definition anymore, frankly. Maybe it's getting more popular now with everyone leaving the stone age and buying suppressors with the fast approval times.
I have shot ..oh..approx 3k rounds on my $450 ATI Omni Hybrid Maxx 300 Blackout.. still doing quite well.. an ex-military buddy of mine also has the same.. he's shot a couple thousand rounds on his..... still holding firm. So No, no, you don't have to do the "elitist" thing and brag that you spent xxxxxxK amount of money on your build.. throwing money at things doesn't always add up.
I'm not trying to be an elitist. I'm just trying to provide free information from my 10 years in the industry. Over the years I have seen way more broken or poor quality control Omni Hybrids and other $400ish AR brands than the name brands. I have specifically seen those ATI's snap around the metal buffer tube ring.
.300 blkout is for when you want a PCC that doesnt suck.
Good question. IR is useless for home defense UNLESS you have your night vision setup on standby next to your bed. I enjoy training with night vision for fun. With that being said I also enjoy having it for SHTF scenarios. Lets say there's a massive power outage and chaos in the streets (this happens during natural disasters). Having night vision definitely wouldn't be a bad thing to have during that time
@@mudgunner I doubt you'd really take the time to do all that if someone came in your home in the middle of the night. SHTF... Yea. Not a bad choice. You'd want to keep some hand reloading equipment. .300 blk isn't all that common but the components could be stripped from other .308 caliber rounds which is very common.
@@bafumat my response was meant for someone else’s question about IR devices but I don’t know how it ended up here. I agree that 300 blackout is much better than PCC but I would prefer a PCC if I was shooting unsuppressed
@@mudgunner why would you shoot a PCC unsuppressed? That kinda defeats the whole use case.
@@bafumat not necessarily. I don’t run every gun I own suppressed. I have a variety of sub gun platforms that are lots of fun to shoot unsuppressed. On top of that my backpack gun is an Sig MPX-K. It wouldn’t fit in my bag great with a suppressor on it
Do the psa 300 suck?
I don’t have experience with them
I don’t have any experience with them
if you sold just one AR you would have a better couch that isn’t torn 😂😂😂
Welp if youre doing guns, solid sub from me, on gun channel to another. Any 300blk video will have the AK fanboys come out of the woodwork.. ask me how I know haha
The fact that this kid calls a 5.56 a good beginner/entry rifle makes all of his claims void to me.
5.56 has been in service for years. I have one word for the 300 BO fan boys, Marketing.
The 300BO is so niche specific it is not worth it to me.
5.56 is a great beginner rifle. I’m not knocking its history at all. I work in a gun shop where so many customers come in asking for oddball calibers for their first rifle. I try to tell them to just start with the basics. I have said repeatedly that I don’t think 300 blackout is great unless you’re suppressing it
No body cares
300 blackout is stupid distraction! It makes no sense it was adopted by special forces for specialized mission sets. Everyone wants to be SF. 556 literally does it all. No need for worthless ammunition types.
No such thing as worthless ammo in my eyes. You train for what ammo that works for you.
I'd say its not worthless hot supersonic loads going like 2400 fps in a 110 grain ballistic tip has more energy at 300 yards in
300 blackout is a much better choice out of a 5-9” barrel than 5.56 is. 300 blackout is excellent.
This is the most ignorant and uninformed opinion I've ever seen someone have the audacity to spit out. It has almost identical performance/velocity to 7.62x39, which has proven itself as a hard hitting and capable platform. 5.56 is a gimmick caliber that requires velocities upwards of 2200fps to mimick the severity of larger 30 calibers by fragmenting and tumbling after wound entry. 5.56 can't even be used below 10.5 inch barrels because it dips below the 2200-2400 velocity threshold and just becomes a steroid infused 22lr that zips through targets without doing damage, that's why it was regarded as less than ideal performance in the middle east as they engaged at ranges where 5.56 lost enough velocity to struggle on target. 300 blackout performs better than any pistol caliber at subsonic velocity and hits like a truck with supersonic ammo out of any barrel length because it's bore size and grain weight does the performance. It has earned its place as the best caliber for short ARs and the best caliber for subsonic suppressor use. You can use barrels as short as 5.5" and perform very well, 5.56 cannot, and most people need small platforms for home defense and vehicles.
@@JulianLareswell done!👍🏼🎯 A 220gr .30 cal cartridge that produces A full burn thru only a 9” barrel, that has the same muzzle energy as a M855 thru a 16” carbine has the clear advantage in maneuverability in the confines of the average home defense engagement yet manages to produce 5% more energy at 440 meters - ballistically Its a tremendous round and we have not even mentioned the ease with which you can switch between super and sub sonic velocities and not have to change anything but a magazine. to argue otherwise is a fools errand cheers
.300 Blackout, period.
I love both
I love both of them to I agree. But I do lean towards 300 blackout suppresed
I got an extar ep9 and it was $500.. and I've had less malfunctions than my Honey badger... kinda weird but true
I've had amazing reliability with my Honey Badger
@mudgunner oh its an incredible gun, but I've had maybe 4 malfunctions in the first 2k rounds put through it.. im over 1k on my Extar and I've had zero so far...
@@RonnieEverette Just came from the range with my Ep9. It's definitely one of the most accurate weapons I've ever fired and I haven't had one hiccup in almost 500 rounds. I'd trust my life with it for sure.