2021 vs 2022 Gregory Baltoro Backpack Comparison
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Gregory updated their Baltoro backpack line for 2022. This video compares the features of the updated 2022 model with the previous version of this pack.
On thing I forgot to mention in the video is the backpanel on the 2022 Baltoro suspension seems to conform to the wearer's back a little more than the older one. Almost like a mini trampoline style suspension, but while still keeping the pack close to the wearer's back. I like it a lot.
Here is a link to the video I created, based on request, showing how I replicated Osprey's trekking pole storage system on this Gregory pack: • Replicating Osprey's S...
Super helpful review! Been comparing these two versions for a few days. It really just seems like were deciding between the raincover/hydration sleeve day pack combo/cheaper on sale price vs better suspension system/more useful hip belt pockets and id agree a better designed brain pocket setup from the looks of it... hard to choose!!
Thank you! For what it's worth I would go with the more comfortable suspension and usable hip belt pockets over the hydration sleeve and cover. A cover can be purchased from Amazon for $15, and the hydration sleeve isn't needed.
Really nice review and diction/audio is terrific. Love watching these and comparing the newer iterations of the Baltoro 65 with my 1010 version, (that I love, BTW.)
Thank you! I try to provide key details while not making the review drag on longer than necessary.
Awesome review. Thank you so much.
Thanks!
This is awesome, thank you! The old ones are on clearance right now at the Gregory site
Yes, the old pack is a fine pack and is still a great choice. I will say the new model suspension is a dream though, I don't think I have ever worn a pack more comfortable.
@@randompastimes what other packs have you worn?
@@sansanych6163 I have had a cheaper Teton pack as well as an Osprey Xenith.
Today my new Baltoro 75L came, and im really hapyy with it!. In the end of the month i will give it a solid try on 4 day trip. I was kinda dissapointed though that the internal smaller backpack was not included. It seemd like a great addition to a backpack for such a price. Still, rest of it seems excellent!
Thanks for comparison and have a nice day!
Cool, best of luck to you! Yes, it would have been nice if Gregory had included the smaller pack as well as a rain cover. The absence of a rain cover is, to me, the biggest negative. But, I do really like the pack and am still very happy with it!
Very helpful review. Thank you.
Thanks!
Thanks for this, and I love the Osprey hack for the poles!! That was one feature I thought Gregory was missing.
My pleasure. I like the Osprey pole system as well and was glad to find it could be replicated on the Baltoro.
Awesome review! Just got this pack and was confused about the different versions, good to see it broken down with the older & newer versions compared side by side.
Thank you, glad it was helpful! The Baltoro is the best feeling pack I have owned. I used a less expensive Teton Sports pack and had an Osprey Xenith for a bit as well. This Gregory has me very happy.
Thanks for the advice. I just returned a Gregory Paragon 58….I needed more room haha
But I really liked the suspension. Was considering Paragon 68 but the Baltoro has a lot more to it.
Thanks again for the video and confirming my belief that Gregory makes comfortable packs!
I have 3 “ultralight” packs on the shelf, they are only good for warm summer trips.
Thanks again pastimes !
@NinerK glad the video helped! I think you'll find the new model Baltoro's suspension is very similar to the Paragon. The pockets and overall organization of the Baltoro is hard to beat, it's a great pack!
Very helpful. Thank you.
Glad you found it valuable!
Very useful, thank you!🙋♀️
You are welcome, glad you enjoyed the video!
Thanks man!!
- Godspeed
No problem!
I just purchased one 2 weeks ago from REI, to start my new interest of backpacking. I’ve hiked and camped in my younger day, but never to the point of needing a backpack. I’m section hiking the AT. I did a couple of days as a trial run 3 weeks ago and made it from Springer Mountain to Woody Gap. I used a borrowed pack then and realizing this was going to be doable, I’m back today. I had trail support to pick me up after going from Woody Gap to Neel’s Gap today with a day pack. However, tomorrow I will leave Neel’s Gap using my new Gregory Baltoro 65. I plan to hike and tent camp to finish the Georgia section. I’m hoping to get this done in 4 days and 3 nights. I appreciate the video going over some of the features. I was a little disappointed that it no longer comes with a rain cover. However the comfort of the pack after trying with weights in it at the REI store sold me. I tried an Osprey but it didn’t fit me as well so I went with the Gregory. I’ll try and report back after my completion of the Georgia section of the AT.
Have you had any issues with it squeaking/creaking?
@@enterprise8979 yes I have. It does tend to squeak and creak. I just finished going through Great Smoky Mountains and noticed it. It’s not so loud though that it bothers me that much.
thank you so much!
You are welcome, I hope it was helpful!
From Gregory's website on 2022 model listing:
Custom fitted raincover included - stows in a quick access zippered pocket on the underside of the top lid
I confirm! A raincover came with my 2022 baltoro 75.
Are you in the United States? Manufacturers often have slightly different features in different countries. The Gregory website in the United States does not list this as a feature, and my Baltoro 75 did not come with one. Here is a link to another review where they talk about the 2022 Baltoro 75 not including a rainncover.
www.switchbacktravel.com/reviews/gregory-baltoro-75#like
@@randompastimes I think you are absolutely right. No, I am in Greece and I bought it from a shop in Germany.
But i believe this is not fair! It rains more often in Europe or what Gregory?
@@orestiskaramanos1756 Osprey does this as well, the specs on their packs on Europe are slightly different in some cases than in the United States.
I live in Sweden and I also got a raincover
The 2021 looks a lot like my older model. I really wish my belt pockets were bigger, haha! Kinda silly, but true. The day pack has endured a load of abuse. My son used to use it when climbing
I believe Gregory used the same design for at least a couple years up through 2021. Yes, the belt pocket size was my on criticism of the older model, although I will say the suspension on the newer model is like heaven!
it seems that the new version you have is Baltoro Pro 85 here in Europe. And raincover is included.
Great video thanks. I was looking for something like this. Do you find it is more comfortable than the old one?
Thank you! I personally feel the new model is more comfortable. The suspension on the old model is nice but feels more rigid. The newer model had a bit of a trampoline style pad that contacts the back and seems to form a sit a little more comfortably for me. It's not a true trampoline like some, but enough that it seems to mold better to the back while still sitting close.
Hello, can you show, explain to, me how you build the stow on the go trekking pole system? I really like that on my Osprey pack, but I am thinking of trying out the Gregory Deva, my Xena pack is done for good 😅 after a lot of kilometres I used it for and needs to be replaced. I'd like to copy your DIY stow on the go system. Thanks for the comparison video 👍
Hi Lee, I actually just made a video explaining how I did that. Check it out at the link below and let me know if you have any questions!
ua-cam.com/video/LJfF9fBxfrs/v-deo.html
How about some tips on actually packing the new Baltoro 75 for a 6 day hike? How would you utilize the pack ?
I will stay away from packing tips as there are all kinds of different opinions regarding what gear is necessary, what isn't, etc. There are also so many variables including location, climate, planned activities, etc. My main objective is to compare the actual features of the packs themselves. Thanks!
Are the shoulder straps and hip belt swappable? I know the Gregory offers hip belts, but I don’t know if any of the hip belts offered are compatible with the 2022 model. I have a very skinny teenager with a long torso, and this pack may work if I can use a small hip belt, and possibly smaller shoulder straps.
No, unfortunately they are not swappable. They are very much built into the pack itself.
Have you also used the Osprey packs? Any thoughts on advantages/disadvantages between the two?
Yes, I also have an Osprey Xenith 88. It is a great pack and I love the features, but the new Baltoro seems to feel better to me and allows me to take more weight off my shoulders. Osprey makes outstanding packs as well and I love their features.
Do the new version stil have thet tilting hipbelt?. by the looks of it it dosen't.
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Hi I 'm planning to get the Baltoro 75 older one for the reason that its like a 100 dollars cheaper than the new one. Is getting the new one worth it that the money you can save on the older model?
That's hard to say. The old model is a great pack and there is nothing wrong with it. I do like the suspension on the new pack, I feel like it conforms to my body better. And I also like the larger hip belt pockets on the new pack. But besides that you likely will not notice much difference. The older pack is solid and I wouldn't hesitate to get it.
I've got the new one and it comes with a rain cover.
Interesting. A common complaint about the new one is that Gregory no longer included the rain cover. Who knows, maybe they started including it again or you got lucky.
The velcro seems like a point of potential failure. Also tare the new hip pockets waterproof? The old one stated it was, idk about the new.
Both the right and left hip pockets are lined with a rubberized feeling material for waterproofing. Keep in mind on the old pack the right hip pocket was waterproof but the left one is open mesh. I wouldn't worry about the velcro, Osprey and many other manufacturers have been using the velcro system for years and most of the other Gregory packs us it as well.
Do you think the back breathability alone is worth the upgrade or that significant of a difference? I found the older version for 120$ less
That's hard to say. My son and I just came back from a 12 day trek at Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico. He had the older 65 liter pack, I had the newer 75. Both of us were fine, but because I didn't use the 65 extensively I can't really compare it to the 75. There is nothing wrong with the older pack and it was loved by many, I just know I like the newer pack that I used.
@@randompastimes thanks for the input!!
Compare it with the osprey aether 60 plus please
I do not own an Osprey Aether so unfortunately I cannot compare those two packs from personal experience.
Gregory calls the detachable summit pack the "Sidekick". Having removed it from the updated Baltoro 2022, they now sell it separately for $40.
As you mention, the new Baltoro also doesn't include a raincover, whereas the old one did. They now sell a separate raincover for another $40.
Gregory is definitely nickel and diming with their shrinkflation, including less and charging more. Very disappointing. For a $350 backpack, the fact they want me to spend another $40 for a raincover is laughable. I own the 2021 model in 75L and will not be upgrading.
Yes, I was disappointed they took the summit pack and rain cover out. I was aware of that when purchasing and was able to find this new model for $250 so feel pretty good about that (I think the retailer I purchased it from got it confused with the older model they had on sale, but that was their online price so I bought it).
@@randompastimes $250 is a great price for the 75, they definitely mixed it up! Have you been able to take it out fully loaded? I’m curious about the velcro adjustable length’s ability to hold after years of 40+ pound outings. Fortunately for me the fixed length of the earlier model fits just fine.
@@GetUpTheMountains Yeah, I got pretty lucky on that one and snatched it up quickly! I haven't taken it out to it's max capacity which Gregory lists as 55 lbs. I have taken it out with 40 lbs and it was very comfortable. I like how it sits close the to the back but yet feels like there's a bit of trampoline style suspension. I have tried the Osprey Atmost AG 65 but felt like it sat too far away from me, but this Baltoro feels great. While I can't comment on the velcro strap's ability to stay "put" after years of use (of course), I don't have any big concerns since many others (Osprey, namely), use a very similar style velcro adjustment system for torso length.
Mine here in Switzerland came with a raincover!
It looks like the hip-belt on the newer model doesn't swivel, is that correct?
That is correct, is a permanently built into the pack and does not swivel.
Just checking: Are you sure there is no built-in rain cover in the new model? Gregory's website in Europe shows the new model and the description says that a rain cover is built-in.
Yes, 100% sure there is no raincover. Keep on mind I am in the United States, if you are looking at their Europe website the specs on packs there may be different. Osprey also has different specs on some of their Europe packs.
@@randompastimes Thanks!
@@ericblackwell9254 Mine here in Switzerland came with a raincover
@@SCa5100 Thank you!
I bought a new model in Poland (Europe) and the rain cover is included.
Would you say the old one is a better deal for $170 new compared to the updated model?
In my opinion the older model would be the better deal, and it is a fine pack. With that said, I love my newer model Baltoro and love the suspension changes they made. I have had more opportunities to use my newer Baltoro 75 on backpacking trips since creating this video, and believe, for me, the newer model is worth the extra price. However, the older design is definitely still a great pack, I just feel the newer suspension is worth the extra investment for me.
Thanks! The size difference between 65 and 75 is so little that there is no point going with 65. Do you agree?
That is exactly how I saw it. The weight difference between the two is negligible and I really appreciated the extra space at Philmont Scout Ranch last year that the 75L provides. I really don't see a reason to choose the 65L over the 75L.
@@christophermartin1421 thanks a lot. All the best!
Hi I was wondering if you could send one of the bags to me I really need one for my up coming Philmont trek I think it would work well.
Both of these bags are already in use, but if you are going to Philmont I would encourage you to speak with your Scoutmaster and other local Scouting community regarding your need. Often times people may have extra gear they are willing to lend. Additionally, Philmont has rental packs you can use for a small fee as well. Best of luck.
The older one is award winning pack. You can see how they downgraded the new one.
Interesting perspective. What features do you feel are a downgrade on the new version of the pack? The old version is a great pack for sure, but I do like the changes they made to the suspension and hip belt pockets on the new one.
I was always a medium fit, with the new models, seems as though 2022+, I am now a small.
With the medium, even on the smallest possible setting, its too big. I have to go small and expand it to the largest setting for a proper fit. Weird.
That is interesting. It sounds like you're right on the border between the small and medium sizes. I do really like the Baltoro 75, it served me very well on a 10 day trek at Philmont Scout Ranch last year.
Be very careful about how you measure for large or medium. I measured myself and came up large with a few cm leeway. Bought the large and found it was too large, really have to cinch the shoulder straps to get them to take some weight off my hips, even then the hip belt is not high enough. I can only think, when you measure, it tells you to bend your neck forward to be able to feel the relevant vertebrae, I honk I measured with my neck still bent which lengthened the measurement. Because it was sent from Spain to UK I was loath to send it back. I kept convincing myself I hadn’t adjusted it correctly, not used it much, going to sell it on eBay and get another- it is a really nicely made pack, if it fit!☹️
Good point and you are very correct, especially if you are close to the lower or upper limit of specific sizing.
I agree that it's important to measure properly and not assume your size. I'm 6'2" and 210 lbs so I expected I'd want the large size. I went into a store that had the Baltoro 65 in stock and found that the Medium fit great and the guy who was fitting me even lowered the shoulder straps a bit.
is the top lid detachable on new model?
The top lid can be removed, but it is not meant to be taken off on a routine basis and is not set up to use as a separate pack. To remove it you have to take three straps through the buckles so it's not a "quick detach" proposition.
@@christophermartin1421thanks for the answer! I am looking for a backpack which I can remove the top lid easily. It doesn't have to be a daypack, I just want to carry a smaller bag on a plane etc. However, smaller bags are not convenient for mountaineering activities.