Yebo Yes....The saying, fools rush in...for all the people and celebrities that backed her,eish sorry. This guy needs to know what the 3 rule of law for citizenship. So this "guy also commenting with out facts"
Home Affairs Minister have officially announced fraudulent charges against her mother for identity theft. A South African mother was a victim and couldn’t register her child. 🫡Keep it up my fellow South Africans 🇿🇦for being patriotic to your country and defending your country. Now may those who defended her citizenship come out please. Things needs to be done legally in South Africa because South Africans have suffered to much of identity theft, enough is enough.
I am a Kenyan, but when it comes to Miss World and Miss Universe Kenya doesnt play, u have to be native. Her having a Nigerian name that is already a problem so the auditions failed SA. When it comes to beauty usually it is the originality she is definately not the face of SA. She can enjoy other benefits but when it comes to the beauty of SA, no she doesnt qualify.
@@Sure254 that a a wild comparison. Trevor wasn't born in the usa neither is one of his parents American. He was born to a Swiss and South afr9can parent. how does that apply to Chidimma which one of her parents is not only South African she was also born in South Africa. you are being sentimental with your take try again
Point of correction, South Africans don't have Afro-phobia, they are just Gatvol of Nigerians, qha! Mam'Sonto from Gomara, the most loved soapie in SA, is a Malawian; no one had a problem. The Beast, Tendai Mtawarira is a Zimbabwean-South African retired Rugby player who was celebrated by SAcans. Let's stop generalizing and understand that too many South Africans have been hurting and some are still hurting due to dubious actions caused by Nigerians. This is why people are Angry. I feel sorry for the girl who has been bullied, but I think she also needs to assure people that she is a 1st Generation Nigerian- South African who wants to address SA issues. If SA was Afro-phobic she would not have lived peacefully in Soweto for that long.
Sizwe if you have a shred of intellectual honesty you would walk your remarks back. Naming people who are asking valid questions about citizenship of Chidimma Afro-phobic. Well we now know that her whole citizenship came about By fraudulent means. Her mother committed identity theft
Sizwe's father: Dali Mpofu - Black South African Sizwe's mother: Theresa Oakley-Smith - British white woman. We must always understand the interests of those who give us information. If people can criticise having a black African parent, then how much more for having a white British parent? You need to understand the interest.
Sizwe, you are fast losing credibility. You're spitting hairs about the text. Gayton had a matric and he's an inexperienced minister. But more importantly, his text carries nothing material. And, what is 'so interesting' about him being in Paris? Keep to the facts brother. I'm subscribed to your channel. You're make your content frivolous hence disappointing. You did something similar with the Zuma/MK issue. As a person with a PhD You're supposed to be a level-headed critical thinker. You're falling boet.
I also felt that early on, on this episode he was imposing his position on everyone. This is similar to what we are often subjected to in mainstream media.
You are not Sizwe these people want you to agree with them. In life we have to be matured enough to know that we will disagree sometimes and it's important to you your mind not emotions
@@simbarasherioga2609 the facts are saying she is not South African nje. Which facts are you talking about. Her father is alleged to have came to SA in 2010 on a tourist visa.
We are here to counter your ignorance n stupidity Africa is one whether you like it or not..go live in Europe if you hate seeing other african nationals in SA.WE ARE HERE TO DEBUNK YOUR LIES N PROPAGANDA.
@@siyandathabede4382 the video everyone keeps referencing with the 2010 thing isn’t even a clip of her father, just a Nigerian panelist on an old clip from the pageants TikTok.
I watched the video of her celebrating with her family they was nothing South African about that celebration I saw Nigerians celebrating, then I asked myself this Miss RSA is for who exactly, there is no xenophobia here it's facts she doesn't represent or show anything South African those are facts ppl have a right to question like I dd question this thing
There is a Lebanese 🇱🇧 and a Chinese 🇨🇳 contesting for this title but it’s 🤐 cricket 🦗 from black South Africans. However, Chidimna that looks like them is the one attacked, bullied and scrutinised on social media. So embarrassing as Batho ba batsho.
"No, they are South African ". That's jealous but happy me when I see people like Masuku ('m sorry have forgotten his first name) Asanda Jezile performing on America / Britain has Got Talent.
Many black South Africans have been successfully colonized - mind, socially, economically, territorially and otherwise. So sad to see. Will they celebrate if Cherry Wang or whoever wins??🤔🤔
Fraud at the Home Office is a real issue that needs to be looked into with lots of passion and grit. Many walking around South Africa with fraudulent documents and passports, visas and ID's needs checking and rechecking!!!
we also feel that African failed nations need to look into real issues such as tribalism, terrorism, unemployment, poverty etc with the same passion in their own countries of birth
When it comes to Chidima, I support her entry but she must demonstrate how she plans represent south Africa at the world stage because all we hear from her is her Nigerian culture. Being south African is more than the birth certificate, what do you embrace about the culture she needs to speak on those things.
@@manyananihlwatika726Watch the video again, write down on the notepad some points which are confusing to you, then go through them one by one. Cross reference them with what the provisions of the law says, and then after that mediate or see a psychiatrist to help you get your emotions in order
So true. People want to blame women for marrying foreigners, having kids with them and all of that. I'm like never, the ANC are the ones who were busy selling the country for "cold drink". We aren't against immigration, we're against illegal immigration like the minisister highlighted and that's what sparked the debate
We need a new video on the finding and let's see how your stance hasn't changed or will it change, yoh were wrong my brother. Will be waiting for your apology
There is a larger issue here that everyone seems to be ignoring and South Africans are not really saying, maybe because they just don't know how to. Personally, as a South African, I don't have any issues with the half Nigerian lady representing South Africa, especially if she loves the country and she is a legal citizen. That is my personal view. At the same time, I think it is disingenuous to paint South Africans as xenophobic. South Africa is full of immigrants from all across the African continent. Some of them have been in the country for many years and have become quite successful, often at the expense of South Africans. The question is if South Africans are so xenophobic, why would all of these foreign nationals even be in the country in the first place? The larger issue that everyone seems to be ignoring is the rivalry between South Africa and Nigeria. That definitely is the biggest factor, and it seems to be quite bitter. It also goes much deeper than I actually realized. I don't think that Chidimma would have been responded to that way if one of her parents were from any other African nation instead of Nigeria. It's not that South Africans are necessarily xenophobic, as much as it is the fact that the rivalry between the 2 countries is deep. Consider how Nigerians responded toward Tyla when she won the Grammy award. All over the internet she was called all kinds of derogatory names while her Africaness was denied. Some even said that the whole of Africa should boycott the Grammies for giving the award to Tyla instead of to a Nigerian. Consider the continued hate they spew out toward Tyla every time she makes a move. Read the hateful comments from Nigerians every time she just randomly posts something on her social media accounts. These things create resentment in the hearts of South Africans who love Tyla so much that they would gladly go to war over her. Hardly a day ever goes by when Nigerians are not declaring their country as the "giant of Africa." South Africans don't actually care about being known as the giant of Africa. Because of this rivalry the attitude of South Africans only seems to be that Nigeria can have that title as long as they stay with it over there in West Africa, as far away from them as possible. Consider how South Africans would feel if Chidimma wins and becomes miss SA today, and Nigerians claim her tomorrow. Would that not make an already bitter rivalry much worse?
What are we saying - That everyone that is born in South Africa is a South African - Now is the time to make a stand - So all whites that are born is South Africans - So their have all rights to this land like you and I that are black- This was the same issues that President Mandela was confronted with - but something remarkable happened, and most of us fail to grasp - the same thing the white man sent him to prison was the same thing their wanted him to stood by "equality'" to be human and to be treated as such - The time is now to make a stand and hold hands and say we are South Africans not black, nor whites, colored or Indian but South Africans...
Ohhhh my goodness is like you were reading my mind dear. This is exactly what I was saying to my colleagues yesterday, it's not about any other thing but the hatred that Nigerians portrays towards South Africans even during the afcon games earlier in the year when they beat us the amount of disgusting statements made by Nigerians I couldn't believe my eyes. If chichi was from any other African country no one was gone question her nationality finish and klaaarrrrr and most of this content creators they seem to miss that ohhh my goodness
So the uproar is just because of the rivalry between SA & Nigeria ne? It’s not even about the girl, just her father’s heritage. Even if she IS a South African with a LEGAL passport & ID, & has a South African mother, all those don’t matter because her heritage is Nigerian, which is the most important factor. Am i getting correct?
@@92KandeeCorrect. Also, she seems to be a very unpatriotic South African. The fact that she speaks no South African language though she was born in and grow up in South Africa shows that she is disconnected from South African culture, which is also problematic.
i hope she is getting full protection with bodyguards. how come there are 5 Belungu women and a chinese and none of those Heifers get visceral hatred like that . sounds like self hatred to me. Black people wanting to eviscerate another Black person . folk are fumbling the bag here. this girl has the exact look and physique that sells internationally at those branded pageant. the domestic gals are not cutting it . they ain't .
“Walked back”? your bias is showing. He gave a comment based on the information he had seen on social media then said he is not confident in his opinion because he doesn’t have all the facts. When he then has an alternative view, assuming he gathered the facts he is “walking back”?
Thank you for addressing this, Sizwe. We really need to discuss why our "vigilance" to illegal immigrants is almost always only targeted at black Africans
When you born in a country you are automatic a citizen of that country . The problem is the Home Affairs do not know the rules . When a black married couple immigrated to Saf from say Namibia . After 4 yrs they can apply for permanent resident visa and after another 4yrs you can apply for SAF citizenship .IF A CHILD WAS BORN IN SAF SHE IS SAF .AND THAT IS THE SAME FOR ALL COUNTRIES . GOOG ANY COUNTRY ..EXCEPT SAF SINCE 94 . ALL COUNTRIES WILL ONLY ISSUE YOU A WORKING VISA WHEN THERE IS A SCARCITY OF SKILLS . HE MUST PAY FOR THE VISA AND HAVE A NO CRIMINAL RECORD AND HIS WIFE ASWELL . THERE ARE NO VISAS FOR UNSKILLED WORKERS . THE REASON WHY OUR YOUTH IS UNEMPLOYED ILLEGAL MIGRANTS . HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER ISSUES WORK PERMITS AND EXTENDS IT ASWELL . HE IS THE REASON FOR THE UNEMPLOYMENT . THE ILLEGALS MUST BE DEPORTED THATS LAW . WHEN A PERSON APPLIES FOR A HOLIDAY VISA WHICH IS NORMALLY FOR 3MONTHS HE MUST PAY FOR THE VISA AND MEDICAL INSURANCE .HE MUST ALSO SHOW HE HAS ENOUGH MONEY FOR FOOD ACCOMMODATION FOR THE DURATION AND MUST ALSO HAVE A RETURN TICKET BACK HOME . IF HE OVERSTAYS BY A WEEK OR SOME DAYS YOU WILL BE BARRED AND NO ENTRY FOR 3YRS . SAF HAS LOST BILLIONS IN VISA FEES . THE NEW MINISTER SOUNDS GOOD HE HAS GOT A HUGE JOB AHEAD . ILLEGALS MIGRANTS MUST GO . ASAP .
Because we don't have 15 million whites competing with our poor blacks for employment making our unemployment rare the highest in the world. But when you are an elite who don't care about the poor and what affects them you won't care about black illegal immigration that affects them directly.
@@ongeziwegodlwana7674 Why must we always talk about ,BLACK PEOPLE ONLY !!!!!WHAT GOD NEVER SAW WAS COLOUR ,HE MADE PEOPLE HE NEVER SAID U BLACK,WHITE ,COLOURED,INDIAN OR MAYBE EVEN GREEN !!!! SO WE AS SOUTH AFRICANS MUST STOP SEEING COLOUR FIRST AND THEN THE WORLD WIL BE A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF US !!!!PS IM COLOURED AND I WAS ONE OF THEM THAT ALSO ATTACKED WHITE PEOPLE IN THE APPARTHEID ERA ,BUT NEVER GOT THE JOBS I APPLIED FOR AFTER 1994 ,BUT I'M STIL PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN ,I LOVE MY COUNTRY AS A HOLE AND NEVER SEE COLOUR FIRST
Sizwe, I hear you and you're spot on about the minister's lack of tact/wisdom when initially chiming in on this matter. But I'd be amiss if I didn't point out your impartial stance. The truth is, characterising this as "anti-black afrofobia" is, I'd argue, equally dismissive and lacks much neede nuance. How about you ask why there seems to be this perceived "anti-black afrofobia" and why this is particularly directed towards Nigerians? The truth of the matter is that, most SAns are livid with the things (most of which are illegal) some Nigerians do in this country. The peddling of drugs, pimping, running of kidnapping syndicates, Yahoo boy activities etc are all negative contributions. SAns are sick and tired of the lack of action by its leaders in failing to address these ills and are sick and tired of Nigerians who conduct themselves unaccordingly. If you're going to speak on this matter, please be fair to both sides of the argument instead of taking 1 side and seemingly being partisan. I'm a fan of your channel and thanks for speaking on this matter.
And Deputy Minister of DOHA said if both parents are foreigners and the child was born in South Africa, then the child is a foreigner too and not South African if I'm not mistaken.
I don't remember any Mandela movies where Mandela was played by a South African, but yet nothing was said about it. Sam Earl Jones played Reverend Msimango in Cry, the beloved County. Apartheid really destroyed our minds and now after 30 years of the so-called freedom, apartheid is still much alive and busy eating on our hearts. This is sooooo sad 😔 😟 🙁 😥
I think South Africans really hate most Nigerians because of selling drugs and stuff and that hate gets directed unfairly on that poor girl because where her father comes from. The other thing I think fueled this attack on her was her displaying both Nigerian and Mozambican flags on her tiktok account bio, most interpreted that as not being patriotic of SA. I might be wrong on this last point but that's what I think happened.
lolz Problem... if you check a lot Africa bio they always put country dey visit on their bio and so even put country they stay, I personal hate but isn't my business. Alot of South Africa put Russia and Pelentine on their bio and you will not see South Africa flag so what is wrong if she put Nigeria and Mozambe... Is only Nigerian who sell drug in south Africa? Do Nigeria kill luck dube and AK too?
Exactly!!! South Africans don't have Afro-phobia, they are just Gatvol of Nigerians, qha! Mam'Sonto from Gomara, the most loved soapie in SA, is a Malawian; no one had a problem. The Beast, Tendai Mtawarira is a Zimbabwean-South African retired Rugby player who was celebrated by SAcans. Let's stop generalizing and understand that too many South Africans have been hurting and some are still hurting due to dubious actions caused by Nigerians. This is why people are Angry. I feel sorry for the girl who has been bullied, but I think she also needs to assure people that she is a 1st Generation Nigerian- South African who wants to address SA issues. If SA was Afro-phobic she would not have lived peacefully in Soweto for that long.
@@nomxhosapekani7966 The problem is Africans fail to hold their government accountable for failing to their job they elect to do which is protect their citizen and their properties, We Africa always for who to blame and let our government get away with their failure, same thing happen in nigeria too... All the dubious crimes committed in SA can't be done with people who aren't up to 1% of the population.
Sizwe I appreciate that you meditate on these issues which is very important in our current climate. Its so easy for political influencers to weaponise our deep seated Afrophobic sentiments. What worries me is the black emotion is always available for manipulation. When will we ever stop and reflect on things?
MINISTER MACKENZIE,THIS IS DIRECTLY DIRECTED TO YOU,HOME AFFAIRS IS USELESS,KINDLY OPEN AN INQUIRY OR INVESTIGSTION INTO MISS S.A. CHIDIMMA'S CITIZENSHIP COZ MORE IS COMIMG OUT,WHEN INTERVIEWED THE FATHER SAYS HE ENTERED S.A. IN 2010 AND THE DSUGHTER CHIDIMMA IS 23,SOMETHING IS NOT ADDING,NIGERIANS ARE VERY DODGY IN PAPER WORK,KINDLY INVESTIGATE HER FATHER'S ENTRY IN S.A. AND CHIDIMMA'S DATE OF BIRTH,I ALREADY SEE A SHOCK,PLS DO.
No the reason is that she's black but if it was white believe me she didn't need anything to prove only skin and constitution of this country what does it say. Let this beautiful African Queen enjoy her life.
Gayton is a domkop, he must think before he opens his mouth. Why doesn't he ask whether it's ok for Natasha Mazzone to be a lawmaker but yet she has foreign parents? Anywonder Gayton only polled 2% in the national polls.
This reminds me of Nonkululeko Sisulu, who was ' banished' to attend school in the then Bantustan Ciskei, during Apartheid, because her parents, Mam Albertina Sisulu and Tata Walter Sisulu were from that side. I agree we have to have the deep conversations as a nation, otherwise we will further deepen the already unequal divide, and turn violently on each other ! God forbid! South Africa is already termed as being "at war wit itself"
I genuinely don't understand why simple concepts go over people's heads and are unable to be understood. We all by now know that even legal documents are no longer credible in qualifying an individual who identifies as female even though they are biologically male. The same seems to apply when it comes to nationality. The South Africa of 1994 is not the same as the South Africa of 2024, we want to be represented by people who truly know, understand and appreciate the culture, traditions and heritage of South Africa, someone who is able to speak with a voice tha resonates with the South Africa of today. It must be said that a lot of individuals in media spaces who live in suburban South Africa, seem to be out of touch with reality and the truth of what South Africans on the ground are going through and what their overall needs are. These South Africans i speak of, who's voices seem to be ignored, are all saying the exact same thing about foreigners and have been for years - what they want is for foreigners to RESPECT their host nation and it's natives, that's it, it should not be this hard to comprehend. As a South African who has South Africans parents, i conquer. I love South Africa and my fellow South Africans regardless of their race.
Wena sizwe tell us here.. The Dad of Vanessa was interview..in his words said they come to south Africa in 2010 from the UK right.That is 14 year's back.. Now this girl is 23 years old..All this does it make sense to you sizwe.. another thing you guys with the potcast platform do you reserch before Airing your story.. Don't mislead the people & this thing is not about black people hating on each other.. South Africa has accommodate so many Africa nationality for years we never even have quarrels about that we are leaving with this people Day in & out.. They say her mother is from Mozambique father Nigeria..
It seema in your opinion a minister is not allowed to correct themself when they make a mistake. So he made a mistake and corrected it but you are harping on the mistake. What happenes for 30 years that the ANC made all those huge mistakes and no one is keeping them accountable.
Pls listen to her Father's video then respond to this issue ,According to him they got married in 2010 never had kids but she is 23 now and as we all know we in 2024 now ,so how can this be ????I'm so confused as a SOUTH AFRICAN
Thanks Sizwe. 100% agree with you regarding immigrants and people from different backgrounds. As a 7+ generations South African who happens to be white I would hope that some public figures at for example the EFF would listen to your analysis on who are rightfully South African (and African) and should be included as such. We get far worse words thrown at us in public than "bad vibes" - but I digress. As you say we are all from somewhere but who we are now is the most important. I am working on a hypothesis that the amalgamation of all these backgrounds in this country has made some thing new and different in the context of the world and with relation to the past. We are quite unique. Not merely a person that is Black, White, Indian, Coloured or any other race or nationality, but a South African. In each case slightly different from the rest of those races and nationalities in the rest of the world or, in the case of the Coulored community, than the generations of the past. That difference is what we have in common and what makes us South African. "Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie" In my opinion diversity and integration would be the pillar of the most successful communities in the future of the world and we can be leaders in that. We need to embrace each other as South Africans above all (no matter where you come from) and then acknowledge the unique characteristics each one of us brings to our family. I can tell you are not thrilled by the GNU but for me they have a greater chance of achieving that reality than the other options available.
The bitter truth of this whole situation that no one wants to admit is that Vanessa would not have gotten half the vitriol she received had she been of European descent.
Sizwe it is not true that we as Bantu South Africans migrated to a country that today we call South Africa. There was no country known or called South Africa precisely because there were no borders then. Khoisans and Bantu were moving freely around the unoccupied land. When the idea of establishing a country to be called South Africa, Bantus and Khoisans had already been in this geographical place namely, the South of Africa. The people who established the borders and establish a country called South Africa were coming from Europe not Africa. .
As a SAn whos lived in Europe I can't even imagine being told you can't take part in national competitions because you have foreign parents it would rightly condemned as racist/ xenophobic. SAns complain about anti African racism we think Europe is racist but we are far worse I can't imagine someone like Rishi Sunak or Barack Obama becoming president or premier of a country that won't even let you compete in a beauty contest because you have a foreign father. It seems ethnic and racial attitudes will continue to be a central part of social discourse in SA for a long time to come sadly.
No Rishi sunaque could be come Ungqongqoshe in south africa , complete with honors. So can Hellen Zille and Sizwe's own mother. But another african ( a Black person mind you ) can't . this is both schizophrenia and self hatred maximized.
ANC, they are so mute. Whats thier take on this? The poor girl is being victimized in their presence and they are silent. They dont want to take a stand because the want to save the 30% they have.
The ANC's job is to serve south Africans who voted for them we have serious problems as a country the ANC doesn't have time to focus on one girl there's nothing special about her
Actually you are splitting hairs over Gayton Mckenzies first statement. He said very clearly - We can't have Nigerians participating in a South African contest. 100 % correct Absolutely nothing wrong in what he said. This was a general rule not related to the contestant. He then said he will need to obtain the facts about the contestant in question. Perfectly fine. No strange vibes there !!
When Obama won the elections in the USA people celebrated in Nairobi, did the Americans say if Obama wins Kenyans will celebrate more than us. Mark my words one day you will get a Nigerian president in South Africa, we will see what you will do. His father would be Nigerian and the mother Zulu born in KZN.
@@Candid-Light-4854 that's why we should be strict and territorial when it comes to our country. All that needs to be done, is that her full lineage must be investigated, and if indeed she was born here, and one parent is 100% South African, then she is eligible.
He had a work visa to do so. If she's not eligible she must be disqualified. She represent Nigerian and Mozambican heritage on her social media imagine her represent SA on a world stage we can't mislead the world about SA Nationality and heritage. In 2022 August Nigeria banned foreigners from modeling gigs and commercials no one said it's Xenophobic
@@africaiswealthy.africanson5072 what about that miss South Africa with both parents not South African 🇿🇦?? What about the Chinese and the Lebanese that are currently in contesting for the title?? You must be one of those members in those groups funded to push hate towards other Africans.
You guys follow a lot of South African news and sports ne😮😮im South African and i do not know who this beast you keep talking about. Springboks has never represented the true demographics of South Africa, couldnt careless about them.
Her father was asked, "Do you see your daughter as South African or Nigerian?" He replied Nigerian . So there you have it. It's not difficult to figure out. Why should we shove a true South African one side for someone who, in essence, is truly not a South African.
I love your content Sizwe and I watch all your videos attentively, but I must say you were emotional on this one. From your presentation to the comments about Gayton. A lot of us don't question her citizenship but her heritage and whether it would be ethically and morally correct for her to represent SA in line with Miss SA's objectives. She may be legally SAn, but does she truly represent South Africans?
Sizwe bruv... You bash the GNU with every post forgetting that it is not even two months old. Was your channel as efficient and smooth as it is now after two months? The GNU is something different after years of the same thing. The best thing we can do is give it a chance to run and see where it goes. Constantly throwing barbs at a two month old thing is pap.
Sow being south African is just a pis of paper and a stamp for some of us it's identity and we getting sick and tired of explaining our self you think what you want
This is so sad to see adults and others attack a child .Her only crime is being a hard working young girl pushing against all the odds .I pray God grant you favor and my you excel in all you do.
Eish! Sizwe bendikuthembile but the more I listen to you. No maan you're bias and selective of your criticism. Ngathi you're becoming another ice boy with a Phd.
Even her names don't represent anything South African. The most important thing to realize is that all African countries will not accept this kind of humiliation, undermining and manipulation of their sovereignty and independence. People forgot that Miss SA belong to the league of honor and respect like official South Africa national teams, overseas ambassadors and diplomats. Miss SA is by law is a brand ambassador to South Africa. Dismissing the concerns of South Africans using unpatriotic intellectual spin-offs will not make it right. I don't trust Sizwe to be an impartial commentator in this immigration crisis having close link to the EFF and Dali Mpofu.
If she was born here, she is South African. If she is like me and not born here, but came here with immigrant parents but now has a South African ID number and passport, she is South African. She is beautiful and I hope she wins.
The SA Law, Home Affairs Act 88, 1995 clearly states that by blood, Father and Mother must be SA then you are classified SA.Two different nationalities does not qualify you as a South African even if you born in SA. Get the True Facts from Home Affairs how you are South African
sizwe uyabheda mfana we have a lot as a country, as south africans we must first deal with our problems not others rsa have a problem of tribs wena youre adding more nkinga before we slove our problems wow son i cant even finish youre show only took me 2:34 sec ukbona ukuthi eff is talking now in you you did this last with gayton
@ lindokuhle. Hawu mnomzana, how do you conclude on the points made and why they are made based on a introduction. 2min of a 24min video. Your response is that of someone who's not willing to listen, understand and then respond. It's a response of "talking past each other". Perhaps it would have been better to listen to the entire video, listen to understand,not to respond. Having listen ti understand the next person then put your counter arguments having captured all he had to say..
Tatjana Smith who just represented SA at the Olympics has parents from England the Netherlands yet not an eye was bat ( not that an eye should be bat) but I definitely agree with Chichi’s situation it’s blatant Afrophobia
It's because this is pure Xenophobia, even if Ms SA was Chinese we wouldn't question them. Only because we hear an African name 😢, so sad so Afrophobic
You know even Hellen zille parents are both not south African but she was born in South Africa and that makes her south African and we don't make noise about it. Why? 🧐 Is it skin colour?
What are your sources that Tatjana Smith' (formerly Schoenmaker) parents are from England and the Netherlands? I'd really like to know where you got this information.
😂say you don't know hes story he got backlash infact he got hes permanent residence 1 day before the B&I tour in 2009 after coach De Villiers pleaded the case to the presidency. Quick to include other people without knowing your facts
It's Afrophobia right, South Africans are afrophobic. I am sarcastic, they are not the same thing. People are granted citizenship everywhere in the world when they meet the requirements. But this is not just citizenship, Miss South Africa is different, it is like a head of state,. Most if not all countries would not want to be represented by somebody who is seen to carry 2 or more national flags. The public will reject such a thing all the time.
@@zolanizwangendabamkandla9929 you need to be an Asset to a country to be naturalised, Tshidima whatever her name is not! We can do without her, while Tendai helped us win the world Cup.
You completely went off the charts about Gaton Mckenzies comments. He clearly did not know the facts, investigated, and then said if she was born here, she can compete. Simple.
We do not need this as someone previously commented. If she is born in SA no one should have a problem. Mr Gayton McKenzie should have done his homework and this is becoming more about Gayton McKenzie. This is not the same as the bullshit introduced by football, rugby and cricket. All should represent the country born in.
CIC JS Malema once said, "now its Africans hating on their fellow Africans, next it will move to tribalism" AmaXhosa this AmaPedi that, vuka mnt omnyama 😢.
Disappointed by this guy. One simple question, which culture does she represent in south africa, Pedi, venda, zulu, xhosa, tswana, ndebele etc. No one can say. Pathetic honestly.
Sizwe is like anyone of us, entitled to an opinion. Narrow minded people only want people to think in a certain way. The moment you deviate from the norm, labels are attached to your endeavor. And that is wrong.
No Sizwe, when Gayton says "We can't have Nigerians being Miss South Africa" and "it's giving funny vibes already" That's true, but he wasn't Chidimma is Nigerian, it just a suspicion caused by the video which displayed her celebrating being in the Top 12 with her "family" in True Nigerian Fashion. Miss South Africa is not a Sport, this is a girl who is suppose to showcase to the World what being a Black South African is all about, the culture and traditions, the fashion etc. If it is White or Indian/Asian or Coloured person then they'll representing for those South African Groups, if they not comfortable with the legitimacy of that person appropriately doing that, then they will speak out. Everything you about our history and ANC is all true
This was never about illegal immigrants,but black on black hate and it's so embarrassing.I will take this critics seriously the day there's an outrage about Natasha Mazzone,who was born of Italian father and and British mother,yet she is a law maker in SA.
But his dad says him and her mother met in UK, she is South African the mother he the dad came to SA to watch the 2010 world cup, the girl is 23... Unless she is 14 she is not South African... This is the latest update
We need a conversation about South Africans of Indian decent. We also need a conversation about South Africans of Pakistani decent. We also need a conversation about South Africans of Bangladeshi decent. South Africans of West African Decent. European decent. Chinese decent.
Brilliant analysis Sizwe. This can be broken down even further, but appreciate your effort. A wise man once said that our people are suffering from self hate. Our people need to be emancipated from mental slavery and it can't just be left up to the politicians. So thank you Sizwe for your contribution.
Who is suffering from self hate a person who doesn't want anything to do with his fathers land who hates who they are who hate the birth country of thier forefathers who doesnt want to be identified as thier native self, who exactly is self hating here
All I can say is this is a result of self-hate. If Chidimma Adetshina were of European origin, they would not have even dared to question her nationality. Sad, but the truth is we have been conditioned to hate ourselves and our own.💔
The fact that this issue has gained as much ground in social media has not too so with the fact that South Africans feel disenfranchised within their own nation. That is the conversation that needs to be had. If you have something going for you then you rarely give these issues much time of day, you're too busy taking care of what's important. However the bulk of South Africans are not in a position where they can overlook this issue because they feel as if many foreigners are taking what should belong only to South Africans. When do we start addressing that elephant? We can't ignore people and then become surprised that they are attacking someone for things (similar or not) they've been politely requesting to be addressed. Some may say that our laws work against south africans they are meant to protect. We cant ignire people even if they are wrong on am issue, because theres an underlying problem that needs to be addressed. Many communities have issues with nigerians selling things they shouldnt sell, etc etc etc... we need to address problems holistically instead of telling folks they are just wrong. Remeber if the youth feel that this country doesnt work for them, they can set it ablaze so it works for nobody.
We have a bad perception about other Africans in South Africa, an Indian was once standing for us but pure South African was not questioned. France, their soccer team is black and I never see protests about but we need to stop hate against Nigeria especially.
Samu, the grand mother is Zulu and home girl was born in SA. the interesting fact here is that she has 2 parents. when the majority of you all have ZERO masculine figure in your life. No daddy having Zulu ninjas that are talking smack like women. this is what happens when women are fathers and mothers at the same time
For me its a simple matter of principle. Emotions and xenophobic/racial gaslighting aside, do we really want a Miss SA who Nigerians can (and WILL) claim as their own?
@@moreece1713 You're being naive. Nigerians think they're our rivals, so why are we letting them brag to the rest of the world that they made our most beautiful woman?
First and a last time I will comment on this channel, we must always learn to investigate issues that are sensitive to our people because it will be an insult to people that are on the right side of the outcome. # AS A SOUTH AFRICAN WE ARE NOT XENOPHOBIC AND WE HAVE MORE THAN 10 NATIONALITIES IN SOUTH AFRICA ALTHOUGH WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES FOR OUR PEOPLE, BUT OUR PEOPLE ARE PAID WITH INSULTS EVEN THOSE WHO ARE IN PRIVILEGE POSITIONS AND THEY I DON'T SOUTH AFRICAN SUFFERING. WE KNOW NO ONE WANT TO EMPLOY MY PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE SOUTH AFRICANS AND WE KNOW WHICH NATIONALITIES ARE DEALING WITH DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT SOUTH AFRICANS ARE TAKING THIS ISSUE IN A PAINFUL WAY.
But, she is. At the end of the day she is still a South African citizen, with South African identity documents that she legally attained, because she was BORN HERE.
THE SAN PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ORIGINAL PEOPLE FROM S AFRICA. THE NUGUNI CAME DOWN FROM CONGO , WEST AFRICA , OVER FISH RIVER AND MURDERED AND DISPLACED THE BUSHMEN. .YOU ARE NOT A S AFRICAN ..MADAM
A naija is a naija even if born in South Africa. South Africa has no national identity, therefore it's identity is defined by the dominant cultures in the country and she's not part of that. Race is a social construct, ethnicity and culture are not. She may be ethnicity Bantu but she is not of South African dominant cultures.
That is not how nationality works. If you’re born and live in a certain country you are allowed to assume that nationality regardless of your ethnicity. If you for example were born in Slovenia you would be Slovenian and would also be eligible for South African citizenship because your parents are ethnically South African. Determined by whatever ethnic group they come from etc. That is how it works
Now here is a point, with all that you have said and I agree whole heartedly on the key points you raised of attacks on Miss SA finalist , why do we have BBBEE that exclude certain people. And historic excuses are not plausible.
So many South Africans wish to emigrate to countries where their own behavior at home as seen with this young girl would never be tolerated. Would they want their children born in a foreign land to experience this abuse?
Raise your hand if you’re back again after the release of Home Affairs findings concerning this matter.
yep i am here
Yebo Yes....The saying, fools rush in...for all the people and celebrities that backed her,eish sorry. This guy needs to know what the 3 rule of law for citizenship. So this "guy also commenting with out facts"
We here. She is still South African. 🇿🇦 Documents or no Documents. Oksalayo
@@sambanelly4219Boo.
Yes.... and his point still stands, unless you misunderstood him.
Home Affairs Minister have officially announced fraudulent charges against her mother for identity theft. A South African mother was a victim and couldn’t register her child.
🫡Keep it up my fellow South Africans 🇿🇦for being patriotic to your country and defending your country. Now may those who defended her citizenship come out please. Things needs to be done legally in South Africa because South Africans have suffered to much of identity theft, enough is enough.
I am a Kenyan, but when it comes to Miss World and Miss Universe Kenya doesnt play, u have to be native. Her having a Nigerian name that is already a problem so the auditions failed SA. When it comes to beauty usually it is the originality she is definately not the face of SA. She can enjoy other benefits but when it comes to the beauty of SA, no she doesnt qualify.
Thank you so much!!
@@whyjsolitnkosi5030 U are welcome! Its like Trevor becoming Mr. United States, that can never happen. We all know his roots are from South Africa.
We doomed this side my friend it's sad 😢...one day will have Nigerian president and truly speaking the pageant judges failed us big time
@@Sure254 that a a wild comparison. Trevor wasn't born in the usa neither is one of his parents American. He was born to a Swiss and South afr9can parent. how does that apply to Chidimma which one of her parents is not only South African she was also born in South Africa. you are being sentimental with your take try again
I hope you guys don't have the English names
Point of correction, South Africans don't have Afro-phobia, they are just Gatvol of Nigerians, qha! Mam'Sonto from Gomara, the most loved soapie in SA, is a Malawian; no one had a problem. The Beast, Tendai Mtawarira is a Zimbabwean-South African retired Rugby player who was celebrated by SAcans. Let's stop generalizing and understand that too many South Africans have been hurting and some are still hurting due to dubious actions caused by Nigerians. This is why people are Angry. I feel sorry for the girl who has been bullied, but I think she also needs to assure people that she is a 1st Generation Nigerian- South African who wants to address SA issues. If SA was Afro-phobic she would not have lived peacefully in Soweto for that long.
Sizwe if you have a shred of intellectual honesty you would walk your remarks back. Naming people who are asking valid questions about citizenship of Chidimma Afro-phobic. Well we now know that her whole citizenship came about By fraudulent means. Her mother committed identity theft
Sizwe's father: Dali Mpofu - Black South African
Sizwe's mother: Theresa Oakley-Smith - British white woman.
We must always understand the interests of those who give us information.
If people can criticise having a black African parent, then how much more for having a white British parent? You need to understand the interest.
This one really hates Gayton. He is playing politics of EFF. Let me unsubscribe while it’s early.
Go ...😂 Watch if we care
@@StrangeforceSAI didn't subscribe because of this exact thing. He is not impartial as a journalist this one.
I unsubsidized way before the Chidima issue he is very biased and struggles being neutral on anything
Voetsek ‼
You are better gone; you level of understanding is too low for this channel. You see hate where there is none. Go well~
Penson Mlotshwa explains this issue very well on his channel.
We are not xenophobic
Danko!
LET ME GO WATCH HIM NOT THIS...
That one always talks crap, the only thing he has is good English no points at all.
Yes, u are not u guys are just correcting what is not ok.
We are definitely anti what we don’t understand
Yes , you are not xenophobic but strongly AFROPHOBIC
Sizwe, you are fast losing credibility. You're spitting hairs about the text.
Gayton had a matric and he's an inexperienced minister. But more importantly, his text carries nothing material.
And, what is 'so interesting' about him being in Paris?
Keep to the facts brother. I'm subscribed to your channel.
You're make your content frivolous hence disappointing.
You did something similar with the Zuma/MK issue.
As a person with a PhD You're supposed to be a level-headed critical thinker.
You're falling boet.
I also felt that early on, on this episode he was imposing his position on everyone. This is similar to what we are often subjected to in mainstream media.
Sizwe is a level-headed analyst, Gayton is playing to the gallery, still acting like a thug, anywonder he only got 2% in the national polls.
You are not Sizwe these people want you to agree with them. In life we have to be matured enough to know that we will disagree sometimes and it's important to you your mind not emotions
I fully agree with you
@@Gawieseplaas what is being level headed is Zille the epitome of level headedness ??? Just saying? Steenguizen ??
As South Africans, we’ve got too much time on our hands, this needs no debate. It’s Miss South Africa guys, no debate.
What is wrong in checking if someone is indeed a South African or not?
@@simbarasherioga2609 the facts are saying she is not South African nje. Which facts are you talking about. Her father is alleged to have came to SA in 2010 on a tourist visa.
How do you define south africanness?
We are here to counter your ignorance n stupidity Africa is one whether you like it or not..go live in Europe if you hate seeing other african nationals in SA.WE ARE HERE TO DEBUNK YOUR LIES N PROPAGANDA.
Why the interest this black woman.
@@siyandathabede4382 the video everyone keeps referencing with the 2010 thing isn’t even a clip of her father, just a Nigerian panelist on an old clip from the pageants TikTok.
I watched the video of her celebrating with her family they was nothing South African about that celebration I saw Nigerians celebrating, then I asked myself this Miss RSA is for who exactly, there is no xenophobia here it's facts she doesn't represent or show anything South African those are facts ppl have a right to question like I dd question this thing
What is wrong with celebrating your success with your family. Are you even listening to yourself. Xenophobia has taken deep root in you.
South African?? Dnt be mad on us
Pls direct me where can I see her video where she was celebrating with her family?
There's nothing wrong to celebrate your success with your family 😮 Was she supposed to hide them under the carpet. It's her family for heaven sake.
@@patienceikombele9161 we can't have Miss SA who who will be representing Nigerian culture that's a contradiction
There is a Lebanese 🇱🇧 and a Chinese 🇨🇳 contesting for this title but it’s 🤐 cricket 🦗 from black South Africans. However, Chidimna that looks like them is the one attacked, bullied and scrutinised on social media.
So embarrassing as Batho ba batsho.
Ba lapisa yho!!!!!😫
@@theonly6359 NIGERIA FORGETS SO QUICKLY THERE IS AN AFROASIAN WHO WON MISS NIGERIA AND WAS PLAINLY DENIED,HANDS OFF SOUTH AFRICA
@@BenjaminNdebele That’s a made up story. Send me the link also why are you so focused only on one part of her ancestry?? Isn’t she South African 🇿🇦??
"No, they are South African ". That's jealous but happy me when I see people like Masuku ('m sorry have forgotten his first name) Asanda Jezile performing on America / Britain has Got Talent.
Many black South Africans have been successfully colonized - mind, socially, economically, territorially and otherwise. So sad to see. Will they celebrate if Cherry Wang or whoever wins??🤔🤔
I feel South Africans need to look into real issues with the same passion and grit.
Fraud at the Home Office is a real issue that needs to be looked into with lots of passion and grit. Many walking around South Africa with fraudulent documents and passports, visas and ID's needs checking and rechecking!!!
@@Tinker8531 South Africa has a morality problem. It's not just in government.
we also feel that African failed nations need to look into real issues such as tribalism, terrorism, unemployment, poverty etc with the same passion in their own countries of birth
Look at the police whistle blower story. Much more on point than beauty pageant and foot in mouth mck.
Exactly, you're 100% correct.
When it comes to Chidima, I support her entry but she must demonstrate how she plans represent south Africa at the world stage because all we hear from her is her Nigerian culture. Being south African is more than the birth certificate, what do you embrace about the culture she needs to speak on those things.
Which culture is she representing? Which Native language does she speak? Ahh this sizwe dude dropped the ball.
Bull$hit, do you also want Nigerian president?
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this aged like well
First time i don't agree with you Sizwe
Same here...
Me too
What part are yal not agreeing with? Just curious
I agree with him
@@manyananihlwatika726Watch the video again, write down on the notepad some points which are confusing to you, then go through them one by one. Cross reference them with what the provisions of the law says, and then after that mediate or see a psychiatrist to help you get your emotions in order
Corruption was more important to the ANC for the last 30 years than the suffering of the South African people
So true. People want to blame women for marrying foreigners, having kids with them and all of that. I'm like never, the ANC are the ones who were busy selling the country for "cold drink". We aren't against immigration, we're against illegal immigration like the minisister highlighted and that's what sparked the debate
We need a new video on the finding and let's see how your stance hasn't changed or will it change, yoh were wrong my brother. Will be waiting for your apology
I second this motion. Let me camp here, I’m also waiting.
Did you see the new video. Lol pathetic
Lmfao. This aged terribly.
I'm struggling to see what he said wrong. Based on what we knew he was correct
Gayton is Fearless
"Black people Unite whenever it's time to bring each other down.💔" ~ Touchline
There is a larger issue here that everyone seems to be ignoring and South Africans are not really saying, maybe because they just don't know how to. Personally, as a South African, I don't have any issues with the half Nigerian lady representing South Africa, especially if she loves the country and she is a legal citizen. That is my personal view. At the same time, I think it is disingenuous to paint South Africans as xenophobic. South Africa is full of immigrants from all across the African continent. Some of them have been in the country for many years and have become quite successful, often at the expense of South Africans. The question is if South Africans are so xenophobic, why would all of these foreign nationals even be in the country in the first place? The larger issue that everyone seems to be ignoring is the rivalry between South Africa and Nigeria. That definitely is the biggest factor, and it seems to be quite bitter. It also goes much deeper than I actually realized. I don't think that Chidimma would have been responded to that way if one of her parents were from any other African nation instead of Nigeria. It's not that South Africans are necessarily xenophobic, as much as it is the fact that the rivalry between the 2 countries is deep. Consider how Nigerians responded toward Tyla when she won the Grammy award. All over the internet she was called all kinds of derogatory names while her Africaness was denied. Some even said that the whole of Africa should boycott the Grammies for giving the award to Tyla instead of to a Nigerian. Consider the continued hate they spew out toward Tyla every time she makes a move. Read the hateful comments from Nigerians every time she just randomly posts something on her social media accounts. These things create resentment in the hearts of South Africans who love Tyla so much that they would gladly go to war over her. Hardly a day ever goes by when Nigerians are not declaring their country as the "giant of Africa." South Africans don't actually care about being known as the giant of Africa. Because of this rivalry the attitude of South Africans only seems to be that Nigeria can have that title as long as they stay with it over there in West Africa, as far away from them as possible. Consider how South Africans would feel if Chidimma wins and becomes miss SA today, and Nigerians claim her tomorrow. Would that not make an already bitter rivalry much worse?
What are we saying - That everyone that is born in South Africa is a South African - Now is the time to make a stand - So all whites that are born is South Africans - So their have all rights to this land like you and I that are black- This was the same issues that President Mandela was confronted with - but something remarkable happened, and most of us fail to grasp - the same thing the white man sent him to prison was the same thing their wanted him to stood by "equality'" to be human and to be treated as such - The time is now to make a stand and hold hands and say we are South Africans not black, nor whites, colored or Indian but South Africans...
Ohhhh my goodness is like you were reading my mind dear. This is exactly what I was saying to my colleagues yesterday, it's not about any other thing but the hatred that Nigerians portrays towards South Africans even during the afcon games earlier in the year when they beat us the amount of disgusting statements made by Nigerians I couldn't believe my eyes. If chichi was from any other African country no one was gone question her nationality finish and klaaarrrrr and most of this content creators they seem to miss that ohhh my goodness
So the uproar is just because of the rivalry between SA & Nigeria ne? It’s not even about the girl, just her father’s heritage. Even if she IS a South African with a LEGAL passport & ID, & has a South African mother, all those don’t matter because her heritage is Nigerian, which is the most important factor. Am i getting correct?
You are slow hey
You don't get the point @@92Kandee
@@92KandeeCorrect. Also, she seems to be a very unpatriotic South African. The fact that she speaks no South African language though she was born in and grow up in South Africa shows that she is disconnected from South African culture, which is also problematic.
I found this situation quite unfortunate and misdirected...the social media hounding😢... I hope she's getting the necessary support 🙏
i hope she is getting full protection with bodyguards. how come there are 5 Belungu women and a chinese and none of those Heifers get visceral hatred like that . sounds like self hatred to me. Black people wanting to eviscerate another Black person .
folk are fumbling the bag here. this girl has the exact look and physique that sells internationally at those branded pageant. the domestic gals are not cutting it . they ain't .
“Walked back”? your bias is showing.
He gave a comment based on the information he had seen on social media then said he is not confident in his opinion because he doesn’t have all the facts.
When he then has an alternative view, assuming he gathered the facts he is “walking back”?
Thank you for addressing this, Sizwe. We really need to discuss why our "vigilance" to illegal immigrants is almost always only targeted at black Africans
Exactly and it is backward looking 😢
When you born in a country you are automatic a citizen of that country . The problem is the Home Affairs do not know the rules . When a black married couple immigrated to Saf from say Namibia . After 4 yrs they can apply for permanent resident visa and after another 4yrs you can apply for SAF citizenship .IF A CHILD WAS BORN IN SAF SHE IS SAF .AND THAT IS THE SAME FOR ALL COUNTRIES . GOOG ANY COUNTRY ..EXCEPT SAF SINCE 94 . ALL COUNTRIES WILL ONLY ISSUE YOU A WORKING VISA WHEN THERE IS A SCARCITY OF SKILLS . HE MUST PAY FOR THE VISA AND HAVE A NO CRIMINAL RECORD AND HIS WIFE ASWELL . THERE ARE NO VISAS FOR UNSKILLED WORKERS . THE REASON WHY OUR YOUTH IS UNEMPLOYED ILLEGAL MIGRANTS . HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER ISSUES WORK PERMITS AND EXTENDS IT ASWELL . HE IS THE REASON FOR THE UNEMPLOYMENT .
THE ILLEGALS MUST BE DEPORTED THATS LAW .
WHEN A PERSON APPLIES FOR A HOLIDAY VISA WHICH IS NORMALLY FOR 3MONTHS HE MUST PAY FOR THE VISA AND MEDICAL INSURANCE .HE MUST ALSO SHOW HE HAS ENOUGH MONEY FOR FOOD ACCOMMODATION FOR THE DURATION AND MUST ALSO HAVE A RETURN TICKET BACK HOME . IF HE OVERSTAYS BY A WEEK OR SOME DAYS YOU WILL BE BARRED AND NO ENTRY FOR 3YRS . SAF HAS LOST BILLIONS IN VISA FEES . THE NEW MINISTER SOUNDS GOOD HE HAS GOT A HUGE JOB AHEAD . ILLEGALS MIGRANTS MUST GO . ASAP .
Because we don't have 15 million whites competing with our poor blacks for employment making our unemployment rare the highest in the world. But when you are an elite who don't care about the poor and what affects them you won't care about black illegal immigration that affects them directly.
@@ongeziwegodlwana7674 Why must we always talk about ,BLACK PEOPLE ONLY !!!!!WHAT GOD NEVER SAW WAS COLOUR ,HE MADE PEOPLE HE NEVER SAID U BLACK,WHITE ,COLOURED,INDIAN OR MAYBE EVEN GREEN !!!! SO WE AS SOUTH AFRICANS MUST STOP SEEING COLOUR FIRST AND THEN THE WORLD WIL BE A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF US !!!!PS IM COLOURED AND I WAS ONE OF THEM THAT ALSO ATTACKED WHITE PEOPLE IN THE APPARTHEID ERA ,BUT NEVER GOT THE JOBS I APPLIED FOR AFTER 1994 ,BUT I'M STIL PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN ,I LOVE MY COUNTRY AS A HOLE AND NEVER SEE COLOUR FIRST
There's nothing backward looking about calling for South Africa to be put first
Shame on Sizwe😢
The true mark of a great person is the temerity to say out their opinion even when it is not so fashionable. Great analysis Sizwe.
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Sizwe, I hear you and you're spot on about the minister's lack of tact/wisdom when initially chiming in on this matter. But I'd be amiss if I didn't point out your impartial stance. The truth is, characterising this as "anti-black afrofobia" is, I'd argue, equally dismissive and lacks much neede nuance. How about you ask why there seems to be this perceived "anti-black afrofobia" and why this is particularly directed towards Nigerians?
The truth of the matter is that, most SAns are livid with the things (most of which are illegal) some Nigerians do in this country. The peddling of drugs, pimping, running of kidnapping syndicates, Yahoo boy activities etc are all negative contributions. SAns are sick and tired of the lack of action by its leaders in failing to address these ills and are sick and tired of Nigerians who conduct themselves unaccordingly. If you're going to speak on this matter, please be fair to both sides of the argument instead of taking 1 side and seemingly being partisan.
I'm a fan of your channel and thanks for speaking on this matter.
It turns out that the DA could smell the rat but used political correctness in public while they investigate
The father said he came to SA with her mother in 2010 and they had no children,but she is 23yrs meaning she was not born in SA
And Deputy Minister of DOHA said if both parents are foreigners and the child was born in South Africa, then the child is a foreigner too and not South African if I'm not mistaken.
This 2010 story is just a story.
I don't remember any Mandela movies where Mandela was played by a South African, but yet nothing was said about it. Sam Earl Jones played Reverend Msimango in Cry, the beloved County. Apartheid really destroyed our minds and now after 30 years of the so-called freedom, apartheid is still much alive and busy eating on our hearts. This is sooooo sad 😔 😟 🙁 😥
This is not a movie, kuyasheshwa Nou so.
I think South Africans really hate most Nigerians because of selling drugs and stuff and that hate gets directed unfairly on that poor girl because where her father comes from. The other thing I think fueled this attack on her was her displaying both Nigerian and Mozambican flags on her tiktok account bio, most interpreted that as not being patriotic of SA. I might be wrong on this last point but that's what I think happened.
Exactly Brother
lolz Problem... if you check a lot Africa bio they always put country dey visit on their bio and so even put country they stay, I personal hate but isn't my business. Alot of South Africa put Russia and Pelentine on their bio and you will not see South Africa flag so what is wrong if she put Nigeria and Mozambe... Is only Nigerian who sell drug in south Africa? Do Nigeria kill luck dube and AK too?
What’s wrong with that?
Exactly!!! South Africans don't have Afro-phobia, they are just Gatvol of Nigerians, qha! Mam'Sonto from Gomara, the most loved soapie in SA, is a Malawian; no one had a problem. The Beast, Tendai Mtawarira is a Zimbabwean-South African retired Rugby player who was celebrated by SAcans. Let's stop generalizing and understand that too many South Africans have been hurting and some are still hurting due to dubious actions caused by Nigerians. This is why people are Angry. I feel sorry for the girl who has been bullied, but I think she also needs to assure people that she is a 1st Generation Nigerian- South African who wants to address SA issues. If SA was Afro-phobic she would not have lived peacefully in Soweto for that long.
@@nomxhosapekani7966 The problem is Africans fail to hold their government accountable for failing to their job they elect to do which is protect their citizen and their properties, We Africa always for who to blame and let our government get away with their failure, same thing happen in nigeria too... All the dubious crimes committed in SA can't be done with people who aren't up to 1% of the population.
Sizwe I appreciate that you meditate on these issues which is very important in our current climate. Its so easy for political influencers to weaponise our deep seated Afrophobic sentiments. What worries me is the black emotion is always available for manipulation. When will we ever stop and reflect on things?
I have a feeling you pronounced your opinions too early on this particular issue. The story keeps changing everyday.
MINISTER MACKENZIE,THIS IS DIRECTLY DIRECTED TO YOU,HOME AFFAIRS IS USELESS,KINDLY OPEN AN INQUIRY OR INVESTIGSTION INTO MISS S.A. CHIDIMMA'S CITIZENSHIP COZ MORE IS COMIMG OUT,WHEN INTERVIEWED THE FATHER SAYS HE ENTERED S.A. IN 2010 AND THE DSUGHTER CHIDIMMA IS 23,SOMETHING IS NOT ADDING,NIGERIANS ARE VERY DODGY IN PAPER WORK,KINDLY INVESTIGATE HER FATHER'S ENTRY IN S.A. AND CHIDIMMA'S DATE OF BIRTH,I ALREADY SEE A SHOCK,PLS DO.
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Lol wtf you talking about
6 days later, the mother is being investigated for fraud….think that’s wtf the meant👍
@@outclasstours1342 I guess you were right
No the reason is that she's black but if it was white believe me she didn't need anything to prove only skin and constitution of this country what does it say. Let this beautiful African Queen enjoy her life.
UNDER THE FLAG SHE IS RIGHTFULLY REPRESENTING. SA DOESNT STEAL THE BENEFIT OF OTHER COUNTRIES.
True
If she has a citizenship, why is this even a debate. Time is such a precious commodity 😩
Exactly 😢
@@KM-nb2isNext thing we have a nigerian president hoping ul save time even then
I say for a fact that she has a passport, she is not a South African.
Gayton is a real patriot and not scared to tell the truth.
Gayton is a domkop, he must think before he opens his mouth. Why doesn't he ask whether it's ok for Natasha Mazzone to be a lawmaker but yet she has foreign parents? Anywonder Gayton only polled 2% in the national polls.
Also hatred becomes mistaken for patriotism
Rubbish, @@warren14567
They not like us
This reminds me of Nonkululeko Sisulu, who was ' banished' to attend school in the then Bantustan Ciskei, during Apartheid, because her parents, Mam Albertina Sisulu and Tata Walter Sisulu were from that side. I agree we have to have the deep conversations as a nation, otherwise we will further deepen the already unequal divide, and turn violently on each other ! God forbid! South Africa is already termed as being "at war wit itself"
I genuinely don't understand why simple concepts go over people's heads and are unable to be understood. We all by now know that even legal documents are no longer credible in qualifying an individual who identifies as female even though they are biologically male. The same seems to apply when it comes to nationality. The South Africa of 1994 is not the same as the South Africa of 2024, we want to be represented by people who truly know, understand and appreciate the culture, traditions and heritage of South Africa, someone who is able to speak with a voice tha resonates with the South Africa of today. It must be said that a lot of individuals in media spaces who live in suburban South Africa, seem to be out of touch with reality and the truth of what South Africans on the ground are going through and what their overall needs are. These South Africans i speak of, who's voices seem to be ignored, are all saying the exact same thing about foreigners and have been for years - what they want is for foreigners to RESPECT their host nation and it's natives, that's it, it should not be this hard to comprehend. As a South African who has South Africans parents, i conquer. I love South Africa and my fellow South Africans regardless of their race.
Wena sizwe tell us here.. The Dad of Vanessa was interview..in his words said they come to south Africa in 2010 from the UK right.That is 14 year's back.. Now this girl is 23 years old..All this does it make sense to you sizwe.. another thing you guys with the potcast platform do you reserch before Airing your story.. Don't mislead the people & this thing is not about black people hating on each other.. South Africa has accommodate so many Africa nationality for years we never even have quarrels about that we are leaving with this people Day in & out.. They say her mother is from Mozambique father Nigeria..
@allymolatelo3808 that lady posted on Instagram that its not her father that was on that voice recording.
It seema in your opinion a minister is not allowed to correct themself when they make a mistake. So he made a mistake and corrected it but you are harping on the mistake. What happenes for 30 years that the ANC made all those huge mistakes and no one is keeping them accountable.
We want an apology wena
Where is her mother? Where is her primary school? Thabo Bester was proved to be south african, primary school confirmed him. Where is her mother?
Who are you to ask her documents 😮
A law abiding citizen 😊@@chrissimende8167
@@chrissimende8167a Proud south African
@chrissimende8167 I'm a patriot. I'm number 1 citizen. I'm for SouthAfricans 🇿🇦
@@nolundipukwana1286 can we see your documents then
Pls listen to her Father's video then respond to this issue ,According to him they got married in 2010 never had kids but she is 23 now and as we all know we in 2024 now ,so how can this be ????I'm so confused as a SOUTH AFRICAN
You starting to show funny vibes 😅😂
Thanks Sizwe. 100% agree with you regarding immigrants and people from different backgrounds. As a 7+ generations South African who happens to be white I would hope that some public figures at for example the EFF would listen to your analysis on who are rightfully South African (and African) and should be included as such. We get far worse words thrown at us in public than "bad vibes" - but I digress.
As you say we are all from somewhere but who we are now is the most important. I am working on a hypothesis that the amalgamation of all these backgrounds in this country has made some thing new and different in the context of the world and with relation to the past. We are quite unique. Not merely a person that is Black, White, Indian, Coloured or any other race or nationality, but a South African. In each case slightly different from the rest of those races and nationalities in the rest of the world or, in the case of the Coulored community, than the generations of the past. That difference is what we have in common and what makes us South African. "Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie"
In my opinion diversity and integration would be the pillar of the most successful communities in the future of the world and we can be leaders in that. We need to embrace each other as South Africans above all (no matter where you come from) and then acknowledge the unique characteristics each one of us brings to our family.
I can tell you are not thrilled by the GNU but for me they have a greater chance of achieving that reality than the other options available.
The bitter truth of this whole situation that no one wants to admit is that Vanessa would not have gotten half the vitriol she received had she been of European descent.
Don't try Sizwe.She is not a SA period
Sizwe it is not true that we as Bantu South Africans migrated to a country that today we call South Africa. There was no country known or called South Africa precisely because there were no borders then. Khoisans and Bantu were moving freely around the unoccupied land. When the idea of establishing a country to be called South Africa, Bantus and Khoisans had already been in this geographical place namely, the South of Africa. The people who established the borders and establish a country called South Africa were coming from Europe not Africa. .
As a SAn whos lived in Europe I can't even imagine being told you can't take part in national competitions because you have foreign parents it would rightly condemned as racist/ xenophobic. SAns complain about anti African racism we think Europe is racist but we are far worse I can't imagine someone like Rishi Sunak or Barack Obama becoming president or premier of a country that won't even let you compete in a beauty contest because you have a foreign father. It seems ethnic and racial attitudes will continue to be a central part of social discourse in SA for a long time to come sadly.
I Agree 👍.
No Rishi sunaque could be come Ungqongqoshe in south africa , complete with honors. So can Hellen Zille and Sizwe's own mother. But another african ( a Black person mind you ) can't . this is both schizophrenia and self hatred maximized.
ANC, they are so mute. Whats thier take on this? The poor girl is being victimized in their presence and they are silent. They dont want to take a stand because the want to save the 30% they have.
The ANC's job is to serve south Africans who voted for them we have serious problems as a country the ANC doesn't have time to focus on one girl there's nothing special about her
There's more pressing issues that ANC has to fix than commenting on this.
Actually you are splitting hairs over Gayton Mckenzies first statement. He said very clearly - We can't have Nigerians participating in a South African contest. 100 % correct
Absolutely nothing wrong in what he said. This was a general rule not related to the contestant.
He then said he will need to obtain the facts about the contestant in question. Perfectly fine.
No strange vibes there !!
The problem is that, if this lady wins, Nigerians will celebrate more than South Africans.
When Obama won the elections in the USA people celebrated in Nairobi, did the Americans say if Obama wins Kenyans will celebrate more than us. Mark my words one day you will get a Nigerian president in South Africa, we will see what you will do. His father would be Nigerian and the mother Zulu born in KZN.
@@Candid-Light-4854 that's why we should be strict and territorial when it comes to our country. All that needs to be done, is that her full lineage must be investigated, and if indeed she was born here, and one parent is 100% South African, then she is eligible.
Beast played for Springbok and was a Zimbabwean.
Beast was not representing us as individual.
Its not the Same. William Okpara a Nigerian once played for Bafana Bafana in the World Cup.
He had a work visa to do so. If she's not eligible she must be disqualified. She represent Nigerian and Mozambican heritage on her social media imagine her represent SA on a world stage we can't mislead the world about SA Nationality and heritage. In 2022 August Nigeria banned foreigners from modeling gigs and commercials no one said it's Xenophobic
@@africaiswealthy.africanson5072 what about that miss South Africa with both parents not South African 🇿🇦?? What about the Chinese and the Lebanese that are currently in contesting for the title??
You must be one of those members in those groups funded to push hate towards other Africans.
You guys follow a lot of South African news and sports ne😮😮im South African and i do not know who this beast you keep talking about. Springboks has never represented the true demographics of South Africa, couldnt careless about them.
Her father was asked, "Do you see your daughter as South African or Nigerian?" He replied Nigerian . So there you have it. It's not difficult to figure out. Why should we shove a true South African one side for someone who, in essence, is truly not a South African.
I love your content Sizwe and I watch all your videos attentively, but I must say you were emotional on this one. From your presentation to the comments about Gayton.
A lot of us don't question her citizenship but her heritage and whether it would be ethically and morally correct for her to represent SA in line with Miss SA's objectives. She may be legally SAn, but does she truly represent South Africans?
Sizwe bruv... You bash the GNU with every post forgetting that it is not even two months old. Was your channel as efficient and smooth as it is now after two months? The GNU is something different after years of the same thing. The best thing we can do is give it a chance to run and see where it goes. Constantly throwing barbs at a two month old thing is pap.
AYIKHO KE LEYONTO SIZWE HER MOTHER IS FROM MOZAMBIQUE ST8 FORWARD! WE ARE NOT AMERICA!
What about Helen Zille ?
Mazoti
Mozambicans built this country for 2 centuries before countries were created from a piece of paper in Berlin conference
Kudos for Minister Gayton McKenzie. No zenofobia, only honest answers.
You can lie to yourself about your character. You are still what you are - a xenophobe.
@@rotimikayode1072 Name calling, in by the one ear and out by the other. 🤣🤣🤣Relax yourself..
Mariajacobs go look ur root in Mexico u not an African
@@Tinker8531 You can't pretend not to be what you are - a xenophobe.
Sow being south African is just a pis of paper and a stamp for some of us it's identity and we getting sick and tired of explaining our self you think what you want
Just imagine Nigerians celebrating, Kanti Thina asizalanga Na?
Is not only in sa, this law is practically throughout the nations of the world
It’s all based on paper
nationality is based on legal documentation, unfortunately that doesn't factor in how you feel in your heart.
This is so sad to see adults and others attack a child .Her only crime is being a hard working young girl pushing against all the odds .I pray God grant you favor and my you excel in all you do.
Media and podcast like this takes a tweet which does not say anything wrong, creating their own narrative for views
NOW SHE IS A CHILD NOT A ADULT
Which child?
A child njani? she is a divorcee with a child.
Eish! Sizwe bendikuthembile but the more I listen to you. No maan you're bias and selective of your criticism. Ngathi you're becoming another ice boy with a Phd.
Mr Mpofu admit you were wrong.He was right.
Now you have to swollow your word
Even her names don't represent anything South African. The most important thing to realize is that all African countries will not accept this kind of humiliation, undermining and manipulation of their sovereignty and independence. People forgot that Miss SA belong to the league of honor and respect like official South Africa national teams, overseas ambassadors and diplomats. Miss SA is by law is a brand ambassador to South Africa. Dismissing the concerns of South Africans using unpatriotic intellectual spin-offs will not make it right. I don't trust Sizwe to be an impartial commentator in this immigration crisis having close link to the EFF and Dali Mpofu.
You nailed it
We bully because we have been bullied.. Sizwe, we are a walking paradox... 😅
If she was born here, she is South African. If she is like me and not born here, but came here with immigrant parents but now has a South African ID number and passport, she is South African. She is beautiful and I hope she wins.
The SA Law, Home Affairs Act 88, 1995 clearly states that by blood, Father and Mother must be SA then you are classified SA.Two different nationalities does not qualify you as a South African even if you born in SA. Get the True Facts from Home Affairs how you are South African
Where are her Zulu grandmother's family to come out and protect her! Please come out and protect this baby!
There is no Zulu grandmother, this kwerekwere is bastardizing our identity...
@@DemBois_algo You are just pure evil. You have so much hatred in your heart and if you continue like this you are going to get a bad disease!
@@DemBois_algo
Mhmmm that's not sound well 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@DemBois_algoyou must heal. Do you even know where your ancestors are from
@@DemBois_algoit’s the kwerekwere for me 😂
sizwe uyabheda mfana we have a lot as a country, as south africans we must first deal with our problems not others rsa have a problem of tribs wena youre adding more nkinga before we slove our problems wow son i cant even finish youre show only took me 2:34 sec ukbona ukuthi eff is talking now in you you did this last with gayton
Uya bheda wena, blame your ANC constitution or go to school jerrr , that's why JZ says alot about our constitution
@ lindokuhle. Hawu mnomzana, how do you conclude on the points made and why they are made based on a introduction. 2min of a 24min video. Your response is that of someone who's not willing to listen, understand and then respond. It's a response of "talking past each other".
Perhaps it would have been better to listen to the entire video, listen to understand,not to respond. Having listen ti understand the next person then put your counter arguments having captured all he had to say..
Go to school
Tatjana Smith who just represented SA at the Olympics has parents from England the Netherlands yet not an eye was bat ( not that an eye should be bat) but I definitely agree with Chichi’s situation it’s blatant Afrophobia
It's because this is pure Xenophobia, even if Ms SA was Chinese we wouldn't question them. Only because we hear an African name 😢, so sad so Afrophobic
That's a white Person, some South Africans just hate Africans. They'd rather kiss that guy that killed Chris Hani
You know even Hellen zille parents are both not south African but she was born in South Africa and that makes her south African and we don't make noise about it. Why? 🧐 Is it skin colour?
What are your sources that Tatjana Smith' (formerly Schoenmaker) parents are from England and the Netherlands? I'd really like to know where you got this information.
@@vodlozas1892Can you please provide the information stating that?
How did The Beast Mutawarira became a South Africa and represented the Springboks without questions asked
Yhooo 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
What a question 🤞
Yeesss I didn't think about that one..
😂say you don't know hes story he got backlash infact he got hes permanent residence 1 day before the B&I tour in 2009 after coach De Villiers pleaded the case to the presidency. Quick to include other people without knowing your facts
It's Afrophobia right, South Africans are afrophobic. I am sarcastic, they are not the same thing. People are granted citizenship everywhere in the world when they meet the requirements. But this is not just citizenship, Miss South Africa is different, it is like a head of state,. Most if not all countries would not want to be represented by somebody who is seen to carry 2 or more national flags. The public will reject such a thing all the time.
@@zolanizwangendabamkandla9929 you need to be an Asset to a country to be naturalised, Tshidima whatever her name is not! We can do without her, while Tendai helped us win the world Cup.
You completely went off the charts about Gaton Mckenzies comments. He clearly did not know the facts, investigated, and then said if she was born here, she can compete. Simple.
We do not need this as someone previously commented. If she is born in SA no one should have a problem. Mr Gayton McKenzie should have done his homework and this is becoming more about Gayton McKenzie. This is not the same as the bullshit introduced by football, rugby and cricket. All should represent the country born in.
I hope you watched the interview the deputy minister of DOHA had and explained what makes you South African.
No, you are not a South African if at least one of your parents does not hold citizenship. Being born here is not enough.
CIC JS Malema once said, "now its Africans hating on their fellow Africans, next it will move to tribalism" AmaXhosa this AmaPedi that, vuka mnt omnyama 😢.
True, and it's coming
Tell them bro ..
What does ELON MUSK have to do with South African affairs ---- even though South Africa has a 30 year track record of corruption and incompetence
This Podcast is 1 sided, a smart guy like Sizwe can be very narrow minded
Not too smart I guess...
Disappointed by this guy. One simple question, which culture does she represent in south africa, Pedi, venda, zulu, xhosa, tswana, ndebele etc. No one can say. Pathetic honestly.
Sizwe is like anyone of us, entitled to an opinion. Narrow minded people only want people to think in a certain way. The moment you deviate from the norm, labels are attached to your endeavor. And that is wrong.
@@returnofthemac9392 Which culture did Vanessa Carreira, whose parents are of Portuguese-Angolan descent, and was Miss SA in 2003 represent?
Stupidity is also a gift from God..Grow up man..stop spewing insults on the internet
South Africans need to get over this obsession with colonial divides...
No Sizwe, when Gayton says "We can't have Nigerians being Miss South Africa" and "it's giving funny vibes already" That's true, but he wasn't Chidimma is Nigerian, it just a suspicion caused by the video which displayed her celebrating being in the Top 12 with her "family" in True Nigerian Fashion. Miss South Africa is not a Sport, this is a girl who is suppose to showcase to the World what being a Black South African is all about, the culture and traditions, the fashion etc. If it is White or Indian/Asian or Coloured person then they'll representing for those South African Groups, if they not comfortable with the legitimacy of that person appropriately doing that, then they will speak out. Everything you about our history and ANC is all true
meanwhile gayton has a full scottish name lol! what gives.
Like father like son. Lost cause...
This was never about illegal immigrants,but black on black hate and it's so embarrassing.I will take this critics seriously the day there's an outrage about Natasha Mazzone,who was born of Italian father and and British mother,yet she is a law maker in SA.
I think for some other situations expection are applied.
Sizwe you've lost your m a r b l e s !
But his dad says him and her mother met in UK, she is South African the mother he the dad came to SA to watch the 2010 world cup, the girl is 23... Unless she is 14 she is not South African... This is the latest update
We need a conversation about South Africans of Indian decent. We also need a conversation about South Africans of Pakistani decent. We also need a conversation about South Africans of Bangladeshi decent.
South Africans of West African Decent. European decent. Chinese decent.
Brilliant analysis Sizwe. This can be broken down even further, but appreciate your effort. A wise man once said that our people are suffering from self hate. Our people need to be emancipated from mental slavery and it can't just be left up to the politicians. So thank you Sizwe for your contribution.
Who is suffering from self hate a person who doesn't want anything to do with his fathers land who hates who they are who hate the birth country of thier forefathers who doesnt want to be identified as thier native self, who exactly is self hating here
@bokangtsie3867
When she embraces that aspect of her life you complain, what exactly do you want from her?
Just image SAcn being accused of selft hate bu such tribaslistic genocidal hateful failed nations 😅🤣
❤❤❤❤@@bokangtsie3867
All I can say is this is a result of self-hate. If Chidimma Adetshina were of European origin, they would not have even dared to question her nationality. Sad, but the truth is we have been conditioned to hate ourselves and our own.💔
The fact that this issue has gained as much ground in social media has not too so with the fact that South Africans feel disenfranchised within their own nation. That is the conversation that needs to be had. If you have something going for you then you rarely give these issues much time of day, you're too busy taking care of what's important. However the bulk of South Africans are not in a position where they can overlook this issue because they feel as if many foreigners are taking what should belong only to South Africans. When do we start addressing that elephant?
We can't ignore people and then become surprised that they are attacking someone for things (similar or not) they've been politely requesting to be addressed.
Some may say that our laws work against south africans they are meant to protect. We cant ignire people even if they are wrong on am issue, because theres an underlying problem that needs to be addressed. Many communities have issues with nigerians selling things they shouldnt sell, etc etc etc... we need to address problems holistically instead of telling folks they are just wrong. Remeber if the youth feel that this country doesnt work for them, they can set it ablaze so it works for nobody.
We have a bad perception about other Africans in South Africa, an Indian was once standing for us but pure South African was not questioned. France, their soccer team is black and I never see protests about but we need to stop hate against Nigeria especially.
eish m conflicted on this one because both parents a not south African but the child gets to be south african 🤔🤔🤔
Samu, the grand mother is Zulu and home girl was born in SA. the interesting fact here is that she has 2 parents. when the majority of you all have ZERO masculine figure in your life. No daddy having Zulu ninjas that are talking smack like women. this is what happens when women are fathers and mothers at the same time
If she is a South African then she can present South Africa …. Ok she must then also act if she is a South African …. not a Nigerian ….
For me its a simple matter of principle. Emotions and xenophobic/racial gaslighting aside, do we really want a Miss SA who Nigerians can (and WILL) claim as their own?
We claim black players who are born in the west as one of us ,but our own African people aren't,smh 😂
@@moreece1713 You're being naive. Nigerians think they're our rivals, so why are we letting them brag to the rest of the world that they made our most beautiful woman?
First and a last time I will comment on this channel, we must always learn to investigate issues that are sensitive to our people because it will be an insult to people that are on the right side of the outcome. # AS A SOUTH AFRICAN WE ARE NOT XENOPHOBIC AND WE HAVE MORE THAN 10 NATIONALITIES IN SOUTH AFRICA ALTHOUGH WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES FOR OUR PEOPLE, BUT OUR PEOPLE ARE PAID WITH INSULTS EVEN THOSE WHO ARE IN PRIVILEGE POSITIONS AND THEY I DON'T SOUTH AFRICAN SUFFERING. WE KNOW NO ONE WANT TO EMPLOY MY PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE SOUTH AFRICANS AND WE KNOW WHICH NATIONALITIES ARE DEALING WITH DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT SOUTH AFRICANS ARE TAKING THIS ISSUE IN A PAINFUL WAY.
Are you going to talk about the EFF member shouting that he wants to moer a boer?
Nope, only if it was John or Zille saying the same things about Zulu or Xhosas. Seems like Gouws was correct after all.
I doubt it, after watching this, it's clear he doesn't care about south africans.
@@njordan3138because he has those oh so snobbish genes...
The truth is she is not a South African .
What is she???
Meaning home affairs and the miss SA judges are wrong you're the only one who is right
According to who?
But, she is. At the end of the day she is still a South African citizen, with South African identity documents that she legally attained, because she was BORN HERE.
THE SAN PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ORIGINAL PEOPLE FROM S AFRICA. THE NUGUNI CAME DOWN FROM CONGO , WEST AFRICA , OVER FISH RIVER AND MURDERED AND DISPLACED THE BUSHMEN.
.YOU ARE NOT A S AFRICAN ..MADAM
A naija is a naija even if born in South Africa. South Africa has no national identity, therefore it's identity is defined by the dominant cultures in the country and she's not part of that. Race is a social construct, ethnicity and culture are not. She may be ethnicity Bantu but she is not of South African dominant cultures.
That is not how nationality works. If you’re born and live in a certain country you are allowed to assume that nationality regardless of your ethnicity. If you for example were born in Slovenia you would be Slovenian and would also be eligible for South African citizenship because your parents are ethnically South African. Determined by whatever ethnic group they come from etc. That is how it works
Culture, ethnicity, nationality and race are all social constructs, they were all socially constructed, who told you that they aren't?
Ethnicity and culture are both socially constructed as well.
Now here is a point, with all that you have said and I agree whole heartedly on the key points you raised of attacks on Miss SA finalist , why do we have BBBEE that exclude certain people. And historic excuses are not plausible.
Her father’s Maths aint mathing🤭🤭🤭🤭
She is not her father. Your Xenophobic mind is not working well as always.
If the girl was white, one parent from Netherland, this debate would never happen
Thanks for using your voice to make the points you made 🔥🙏🏽
So many South Africans wish to emigrate to countries where their own behavior at home as seen with this young girl would never be tolerated. Would they want their children born in a foreign land to experience this abuse?