is HoYoverse LYING About Numbers To STOP The Boycott?
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- is HoYoverse LYING About Numbers To STOP The Boycott?
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100% in agreement about sorting out what you had to, I just assumed if you knew you were being baited, you would have said something because it supports fixing the slander and the cause at the same time. Shouldn't have made the assumption, there might be a really good reason why you didn't that's just over my head. FR, sorry.
Still curious about the randomly thrown in "dislike for Tectone" he's atleast trying to fix the game
@@smittenmittens1364yeah me too
@@smittenmittens1364 He's confrontational. Confrontation follows. That scares me. I don't like being scared
how is atsu the one baiting tectone to distract from the genshin situation when braxophone is the one who made the tweet in the first place? Not defending him I'm just curious
@@Souldapopok but being non confrontational is just as bad if not worse than being confrontational
No offense but that perfect nerd voice is so funny
oh wow its the meme guy
@@blade7585 you mean "giga based individual"
@@delta134 He does fuck around with yakuza, so ill agree on that one.
Love your content man
He truly sounds like a stereotypical Nerd. It's great.
I stopped caring about Genshin long ago. The community drama is more entertaining than the game.
Stop playing this game for a year now and its the best decision in my life
Same been free
Same
Genshin is a kids game I just wanted to comment that 😂
Playing hsr instead
And it looks like 4.5 will be basically the same filler patch with nothing given to us lol
That's how it usually is after x.2, shouldn't even be a surprise anymore 🙃
Filler and a milking patch tbs
If the leaks are true Chiori's kit is a tragedy and they have allegedly (Leaks not confirmed) added a regional banner
@@HarmonicMelody-Rivvi but at least we have Dain Quest. Now... No
Yes, usually in x.5 patch we have the Dain quest but the story will continue on 4.6 and probably even 4.7 i read. Chiori is keqing 3.0 and the regional banner is another useless scam if it has 80 pity too and surely it will
Also to point out, giving out dr. Ratio for free was just a smarter move when you consider the quality of the banners. They had a Kafka rerun and Kafka is THE character. Then you add black swan and sparkle, acheron and aventurine. With the Dan heng and Jing yuan rerun banners. It frees up people's wallets by not having to pull for dr ratio when they have a stacked roaster of pulls. And people remember huge acts of generosity. Star rail is playing the long con while genshin feels greedy.
More like hsr is playing the "we need to keep our players from playing other turn based gachas cause theres dozens of them" game but ok
@@justsomeguy727 well yeah, HSR has to compete which is why its just objectively so much more friendly to the players. Genshin doesnt which is why the players get cucked so hard.
@@justsomeguy727Does not being stingy like genshin and disrespecting your playbase, equals to the game not being successful enough?
If so, that's a lot of copium.
They have competition and made plans for it. while Genshin doesn't need to, because it's players are idiots who claimed Bayonetta copied genshin.
what other games is hsr competing against ? @@Ayl_os
@@justsomeguy727 HSR also has the greater hoyoverse going for it which is an overarching world story, other gachas do not have massive worlds or universes to fall on for content or collaborations.
They're kinda forcing players to feel excited for new characters cuz what else is there to be excited about?
Then what do you want to get excited over? Starbucks is literally the same by your logic
the kazuha rerun is so sus as well
@@Pain09876but, buy hsr gives more end game content and genshin doesn’t 😢😢😢😢😢
@@Pain09876 that's why I don't buy Starbucks, waste of money imo
Edit: oh, you're the Pain guy 😭. C'mon brother gimme a break, I thought you were fr
@@AnsonCarter-q1o you call 2 hours of story to click through and 6 hours of the same type of exploration you have gotten for the past 2.5 years new content?? damn we have sunken deep in the gaming scene
I don’t think it’s unreasonable or a stretch AT ALL, to think a company would use capital to hush an angry player base by making it seem like a vocal minority…
Yea definitely open to the thought
One word, it's the name of a place "China" they dont care about being honest. Corporations care even less about being honest, combine the two and you get... mainland china and its infected branches throughout asian nations.
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN TRYING TO SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
@@rim-1or4wr1y same I said this THE DAY they announced cloud retainer and Nahida rerun was NUMBER ONE banner , like nah
I'm open to the idea, but this video proved nothing.
We have gotten more rewards in Penacony than all the Genshin anniversaries combined
(Genshin gave us 20 pulls for the first anniversary 10 pulls for the second one and now 13 pulls here making it a total of 43 pulls,
Meanwhile we got 20 pulls outright in 2.0 and now that I've gone through the content and still haven't finished one area I have got around 8500 jades from it )
I’ve got to agree, It’s still day 4 and I’m pretty sure I already did 100 rolls
Hell even nikke community was making fun of genshin with memes on reddit because they got like 150 summons for their first anniversary and a free SSR
@ObiAlmighty yeah youre right lol
+ So what did you like the most about Penacony?
- GENSHIN REWARDS SUCK HSR BETTER
HSR tards get me every time. We all know Genshin does not give enough rewards (tho most ppl only realized that when HSR was released), but are you really comparing an entire new region with the anniversary? Do you even remember how many primos we got in Inazuma (2.0)? In case you don't, it was way more than the anniversary and nobody complained about that
I mean I did all the content and went from around 65 to 100 (and did 20 pulls trying to snipe) all the chests, birds, clockies, companion and trailblaze quests + tree
all i can say is that patch brought a lot, but number of credits were more impressive to me than numbers of pulls we got
Both Genshin Lab and HSR Lab have been unreliable for several months. HXGdiluc said the same during Neuvillette's banner, which on this chart was well below what it had raised. You can see that in this chart Ruan Mei earned a lot, but based on the sensor tower, it wasn't that much.
isn't sensor tower only reliable for app store sales? I assumed majority of genshin players were pc.
@@AnsonCarter-q1oUnfortunately, people just want to try to justify something out of their own frustrations.
Genshin despite its problems is a great game that entertains thousands of people, and when someone is satisfied with this fun they spend money.
Xianyun is a mommy who brings a new way of playing the game, together with Nahida it is very obvious that they will sell a lot.
And as much as the Lab is unreliable, it is common sense that Genshin will always make a lot of money.
The problem here is that some CCs, frustrated by the boycott not working, want to do everything they can to justify that someone can like Genshin, which in their view is unacceptable.
@@AhlovendinoThis is another part of the equation, over the years Genhsin has proven to be very complicated to maintain not only due to space problems but also because it is an open world where many people migrate from mobile to PC.
Sales remain the same or have fallen a little compared to previous years due to these charts being mobile which does not cover the total gains.
Look at the recent news that Genhsin took 40 months to earn 5 billion dollars on Mobile alone (average of 125 million per month), imagine if you combine all the platforms.
@mrwhisa Playstation leak showed Genshin made a billion in in 2 years. Reality is, Hoyo makes bank regardless of the platform.
@@mrwhisa I think most people don't know there is a boycott or like me don't really care about the outrage and will just play the game like normal, there is so many more important issues in life then rewards from a game I play not being the same as another game
we already know that they buy follower bots on their chinese social media, if they fake those stats, what else do they fake?
Yeah possible all sales in Xianyun banner isn't that high all fake.
this wouldn't be a surprise at all considering they have had bots to bump their social media numbers
What I do notice is that their's a ton of "Bot" acc praising Genshin/hoyo in their twitter/X comments its hilarious and cringed at the same time😂
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FRRRRRR THEY'RE EVERYWHERE 😭😭😭
I don't see why people assume most consumers actually stick to their guns? Everyone knows every person who protests a blizzard game is just 1 cutscene away from being a paying customer again. Everyone remembers the Call of Duty steam protest group. Everyone remembers the first anniversary for genshin where everyone was "going to quit". There are countless other examples of "company did bad thing, no one buy it" and then a ton of people still buy it.
No reason to assume a company that has been successful will need to lie when they hit a road bump, when there are so many examples to say people will throw money at them anyways.
Except they got caught buyi g bots and usimg bootstraps tactics.
The boycott just isn't that big of a deal. The 3 primogems stuff is definitely tone-deaf and a PR fail, but it's really not that serious.
100% agree with this. Pokémon is another great example of people having all bark and no bite. people kept going on about how they were going to boycott Sword and Shield due to them being lazy, buggy and unfinished games that even lacked some features from past games, but they still sold well regardless which led to Scarlet and Violet being even more unfinished which led to the same story repeating itself.
I actually did quit for like a year
If you look at the views on the Xianyun build guides , they all have ALOT of views so who knows if the sales are phoney
Lmao
How can HoYoverse be lying when it's not even their numbers? Another clickbait title, whatever generates views I guess. Need to earn some income in any form. And making anti Genshin videos for the rest of his YT "career" is the outlook for this guy.
dont improve because dont need to and them ppl gon play regardless?
literally wat he said? thinking the players arent worth it?
bro is not woke and didnt go to college lol
Baldy conveniently ignores chenyu vale exists. No content😂😂
When i first saw the video i had the exact same disagreements. The community was gassing this video up because he threw in a lot of economic jargon that they didn’t understand
Most people just want to believe it is just all faked numbers so they can keep on hating it..instead of simply ignoring genshin and move on to hsr or whatever they wanna play.
Yea alot of what he said just doesnt seem right. The argument that rubbed me in a bad way was his comment that Hoyoverse rewards HI3 and HSR more because they are more loyal when it literally does not make sense especially for HSR. Like oh they reward the loyalty of HSR players of just 2 months with a free 10 pull and they proceed to do that every single patch. In fact, Genshin should be considered more loyal as they are consistently the highest earning gacha game and the amount of people who defend it is amazing.
@@owningchicken462I think what he meant was they need to keep players there loyal, not in genshin because genshin players are already loyal and there isn't a real competition to genshin
@@spacesushi210 well literally right before he talk about hi3 and hsr fans being loyal, he said genshin fans are not loyal
@@ikuroii7751 yeah lmao the people who were participating in the boycott expected the numbers to be low and since that wasn't the case they were disappointed and resorted to coping
This is exactly what i said when i saw this video i was just like cool opinion but youve given no actual proof as there is none unless you've got some source inside telling you these things lol
“People did not have money during covid” - as a tattoo artist, people had A LOT of money and they wanted to spend it
i think it was more like most of the money people would've spent outside instead got funneled into things online
I own miney on the internet making skins for games so for me yeah, but for most ppl it wasnt a good year for money.
Might be similar to how luxury spending is recession proof. They are not affected by the economy.
So this guy is trying to show us why Hoyoverse isn’t publicly traded? Personally, I would never want my company to be publicly traded. Once a company goes public, it belongs to the board of investors and is subject to hostile takeovers. That’s also when the original vision gets watered down and consumers are screwed over in favor of profits. Going public basically means that your company now is owned by BlackRock and Vanguard, who will implement ESG guidelines and turn the company into a soulless husk.
The stock market really needs to be abolished.
Hearing you got one of your best friends back is the best part of the video. I'm really happy for you
This guy makes a lot of claims. Like 4.1 not being advertised, This is certainly not true. If I can remember every single UA-camr on the planet had a sponsor. Even the Act Man.
And hoyoverse. Having been using their profit to develop new games. It’s laughable to think they’re in any sort of financial difficulty.
This guy forgets the middle group of the controversy . The group that didn’t take sides of the boycott, Because they simply didn’t care.
I myself were one of these . don’t need UA-camrs for self validation, I enjoy the game so I play it simple.
I have cash over 1k on the game it was hard for me to stop playing but damn that is hand down the best decision
Lmao clown to clown communication both streamer and his community. Only barking and no action LOL the "boycot working" guys look February estimated revenue by third app
Bro...probably less than 25% of the active playerbase follows the game online or watches youtube content about it regularly. Expecting the recent online shit show to tank their banner sales is pretty dumb tbh. Spenders gonna spend and probably a good amount of them aren't even aware/don't care about the "protest".
Bro the TOP SELLING banner is cloud retainer and a Nahida rerun AGAIN? Nahhh that’s crazy
@@pretty.billy.Right I always thought the 2nd rerun of Nahida would have much lower sales compared to her first banner
That's true, even with all the content creators saying they'll boycott the game, it's not gonna stop a significant amount of people to stop playing lol. Genshin's also targeting casual gamers for the most part, the people who see the drama / watch these creators themselves normally do not fall in that category.
U do realize there's always new commers be ut whales dolphins or f2ps. There's always a fresh type of players in the game, and they want to have the character once they rerun. its not that deep and not a surprise either.@pretty.billy.
@@darkcastle85a lot of people didnt pull her at first cuz she was just a "child" after what they've seen that she actually enables basically infinite teams when it comes to dendro and her having the 2 first constellations being REALLY GOOD that it makes blooms crit and shreds def on agrovate/spread teams. Its not a surprise this outsold her banner
3 years. We want positive changes, skip button on story and quests, more endgame content. Stop paying for this game if you want change, we are the Rebellion
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I honestly wouldnt be surprised if this is the case on what HoYoverse are doing lately
Leave HSR and HI3 OUT only genshin is to blame it's that guy Cai Haoyu that caused this mess
People are getting paranoid rofl.
Mihoyo lying about banner sales , mihoyo is followbotting streamers.
Whats next , flat earth and reptiles in the government ?
@@MrDakold MiHoyo created the CC drama is the next lol
@@MrDakold more downplaying tactics by mihoyo boot lickers
@@AnsonCarter-q1o and where do you think Genshin Lab got the stats?
It's funny to see how boycottgenshin failed and people are now trying everything they can to prove that the sales are fake.
Funny to see that people faled at making game better atleast with this tactic? Impressive, how much people like to eat shit
He started off good, went into a nothing burger, into a decent burger. Does that make sense?
Whales financially and technically can save a game, from the C6r5s to pique the fanbase's interest.
Tangent here,
I feel like people don't really even care at this point and just decide to name drop people in the space for a shout-out.
23:58 "Fgo is horrible tho"
Emotional damage, I won't be able to recover for the next two weeks
I mean, he's not really wrong tho (I love Fate Series)
An 8 year old game lacks things that you can easily find in today gachas. Like account linking lol.
It’s true and yet I’ve been playing since day 1
Hes not wrong
I agree ( I play FGO)
I feel like he got it reversed on the loyalty aspect.
It's not that hoyo don't value genshin because players are "disloyal" and reward HSR for being loyal, it's the opposite.
Genshin players are SO LOYAL that hoyo feels they can disrespect them and get away with it.
Meanwhile for HSR, they give us a lot of quality and rewards as a way to maintain player retention.
Man copes for 40minutes cause he cant accept that hsr just simply will not make the same kind of revenue long term due to being a more niche genre. Colorized, 2024.
aight lil bro we wait for the revenue of this month and I'll come back 💀. Everytime that hsr beats genshin on revenue from now on and I will back here and imma say some funny things about you
Nahida is pretty popular and literally everyone i know has a xianyun i dont think theyre lying to be completely honest
But the banner sales indicates that Cloud Retainer have high sales than Nahida? It's look so suspicious if that was from Chinese sales along ? Chinese do this boycott movement.
@@yoiko89 the official hoyo website states the sum of nahida and xainyun's sales, not separate, we do not know who sold more but its safe to assume its nahida. Either way its not really the point as it doesnt matter who sold more, the point is the banner sold well overall as it was expected to do so.
the logic fallacy of this guy is that he assumed whales numbers are all static and no new whales will enter into the existing game
He forgot many factors such as the increase in players, for example, Raiden's rerun had more players than at its launch, and in its first rerun there was a double banner
@@mrwhisathe first time they ever released 2 paid skins is a big contributer too
Lol gacha smack actually made a video bout this long ago when he was still smackdaddy 😂 vast majority of money genshin makes it’s from he sheer amount of casuals spending by money here and there not whales.. a million ppl dropping 5 to 10 bucks here and there is HUGE money plus occasionally spending bit of cash on other stuff.:: sure a whale may spend a ridiculous sum of cash but it’s vastly over shadowed by accumulating of casuals spending.. fortnite is a great example… ccs may have bout all the skins and etc yet the casually audience is MASSIVE.. they by far make up the most spending collectively then any whales combined.. in reality tis is called Short Money vs Long Money.. short money is appears to be larger but long money is as the name says LONG.. it’s accumulating over time… unlike other gacha games genshin is massive.. it’s literally fortnite lvls or gta levels where CC do not make up most of the games revenue.. it’s the casuals collective spending which is insane.. 1 million ppl spending 1 dollar is a million dollars u a whale spending 1 mill is a mill.. cam u afford 2mil though.? NO but those million casuals can afford 2bucks.. 😂 3 buck.. 10 bucks.. games way to large for whales to really matter .. though if they are focused on “short money” aka quick large sums of money they pander to Shane’s but that often effects long money aka risk to making the most money possible which comes in TIME…
Genshin Impact spent customer money on stupid things like orchestra concert and what lol? instead of improving the game. BASIC QOL is what the player wants first.
90% of players dont know the boycott baldman. My friends playing genshin dont watch any UA-cam video. They just play the game
24:09 As a long time fgo player and whale I think its unfair to say that in genshin the limited 5 star is complete at c0 and make the point that in fgo they're somehow not. In fgo the only thing additional ssr copies do is increase ultimate damage. When in genshin constellations have the potential to change a unit's gameplay. As for how much money it takes to get a character to max ultimate level (5 copies), it can take a fucking lot but 5k usd is way over the mark in most cases unless you really are that unlucky, i.e. for all the ssrs I have at np5 I can say that its never been over 600 usd for any of them (its still a lot of money I admit). While the rates seem horrible in both numbers and practice, theres times where it suddenly turns into your favor where you get the character you want within the first multi or even single roll.
fgo has plenty of issues, like the concept of reruns being completely deleted from the game and no clear communication between devs and player. But in terms of gacha or how p2w it is theres not much of a problem. Higher rarity units are generally stronger and do make the game easier usually, and I too am guilty of playing most of the content one easy mode with said units cause I like big numbers. But to this day all the content is still beatable with 1-3 star + welfare units which are all widely available without spending a dime.
Fr, FGO is the single most F2P friendly game out there (it was actually Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omnia, but the game got EOS for the end of this month.)
Rates are the most punishing, yes, but most Servants are easily replaceable.
The video kinda asspull lol
this is the most articulate ive ever seen Tectone
Just wish he was always this way. I miss how he was at the start of Genshin. Criticizing without constantly repeating the same thing, just louder each time. If he spoke about everything just like he did here, I wouldn't have grown out of his content.
Tectone is too obsessed with rewards when his focus should entirely be on content... Anniversary rewards don't matter in Genshin because it's fundamentally different to Star Rail where you need a ton of characters to progress. The anniversary rewards are fine. Never adding ANY content isn't fine and Star Rail also beats Genshin here so please, stop focusing on rewards. Rewards won't actually make the game better.
Tec, if his numbers are correct his theory about COVID not being the prime driver of Genshin is also correct. Its highest revenue ever is 2023. If COVID was it, that is where the highest revenue would be shown. Especially in a live service game where earlier peaks are usually the highest a game will ever see.
Pretty sure the guy doesn't like you cause he has the voice you ALWAYS makes fun of when talking about someone dumb, you did it at the start of the video for example lol it must feel like a direct disrespect everytime he hear you making fun of something with that, ACTUALLY 🤓☝🏻 voice
Welkin moon players } whales
He had good point and then lost it along the way. The video is very badly put together...
Lets play wuthering waves when it comes out
I thought everyone knew revenue charts for Hoyoverse games were extremely inaccurate
Sure they're the most profitable gacha game company no doubt about it, but people exaggerate how much by a long mile they're not exactly making as much money as people think they're making
and where is your data? smh
@@Shot007 watch video
@@Shot007 bootstrapping
genshin reach 5billion revenue with just 40month in ios and google appstore alone, its the fastest grossing mobile game and still hasnt include third party andriod appstore, ps and pc
The revenue charts are also inaccurate because you do not know how muc the baseline is, or what it was spent on. People buy welkins and battle pass which are completely unrelated to the current gacha. We just had TWO skins released, those cost money and they're discounted for this version.
Xianyun isn't the highest earning banner, frankly, a solid chunk of those earnings are from skins.
Ughh, another goofball think playing HSR is equal to Boycott Genshin, even though they both made by Hoyoverse. It's like you split with your abusive girlfriend but somehow you still giving her money because she tickle your ball.
Even if this video is filled with a lot of inaccurate or incorrect arguments, I wouldn’t put it past Hoyo to actually go and do something like this
Can you make other content outside of these hoyoverse drama videos ? You are desperately milking for views
Tectone you didn’t reargue this video. Sorry
That one dislike is probably from Hoyoverse themselves…
Guy in the video sounds like he gets stuffed in lockers frequently and has his glasses held together with tape.
When using his Skill, Dr. Ratio has a 40% fixed chance of launching a follow-up attack against his target for 1 time, dealing Imaginary DMG equal to 270% of Dr. Ratio's ATK. For each debuff the target enemy has, the fixed chance of launching follow-up-attack increases by 20%. If the target enemy is defeated before the follow-up attack triggers, the follow-up attack will be directed at a single random enemy instead.
yeh that's how it works but why you post this?
@@thecreativeducky5781Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Xiangling sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Pyro DMG to all opponents in its path.
As a day 1 Genshin player myself, it seems as if this guys didn’t play from the beginning, and he is basing his opinions on hearsay. I don’t know if that’s the case but it definitely looks like that. I’m with Tectone on most takes in this one.
I liked TEctone when he is not the center of the drama and has these good takes.
My guy is based 😂
5:30 since the first or second anniversary I stopped buying the welkin moon and now just stopped playing
I do believe everything started from zhongli 1.1 update where majority of ppl went over the line for how underpowered he was instead of do some constructive criticism. They started distancing themselves then and the 1st anniversary came and was an uproar and in combination with the ccp mentality they have, controling creators and pushing the narrative their game is perfect thru creators you just have a recipe for disaster
this guy opinion is baseless and doesn't have any good points 😑
One thing I'll say that is somewhat of an effective idea of his that Teccy disagrees with is the idea of changing the name to show discontent AND leaving the game on for as long as possible (the later of which Teccy disagrees with) while doing nothing (or just playing I guess) could be effective (granted also can't recommend as it's a waste of electricity thus your own money) as as long as players are on Mihoyo must pay whatever amount of cash is needed to keep the servers running thus it wastes their money. Yes it shows player retention which at first looks good but as long as players refuse to pay as well (this is the key point of course....players need to stop giving them money, hell across all their games tbh as it'll only be when the company loses money as a whole and know it's because they're doing something in 1 or all of their games that they may change something) the stock holders will eventually get ticked enough to force a change when they start seeing said game is not bringing in money but using up resources and it's obvious that the reason isn't due to disinterest for the game but due to backlash from something the company's doing (if they're just disinterest and not making any money chances are rather than making changes they may just shut the game down earlier than intended to save costs...that's also why going after all their games would be a better idea as if it's only done to 1 game but the others still profit all they need to do is shut down the 1 game to stop bleeding money rather than fixing it).
the problem is if your still in the game that means the playercounts stay big ... and hoyo uses those playercounts to leverage sooo much
Whales don't carry games. If that was true, then the companies would cater to them. The issue is, no matter how much revenue a whale brings in, it's incidental. Diablo immortal learned this lesson. It was too whale heavy at the start, to the point the whales found themselves 'ranked out' of competing with anyone on the ranking board, essentially playing the game all alone while the rest of the world played a multiplayer game. So they began leaving. Immortal had to make a lot of quick changes fast to unify the player base to prevent its whales from leaving.
Without the public, the whales leave. Yes, the whales bring in the largest portion of the games day to day revenue... but that pays the bills THIS month. They don't carry the game OVERALL. Games instead cater to the public, and the public carry the whales interest. When the public stop carrying them, the whales leave for more crowded pastures.
My boy doesn't know who whales really are. Whales do not care for gameplay, my dude, those who care are content creators. Whales care about story and characters, they whale because they liked a character. They're not worried if they're gonna get 36 stars on Abyss, they're worried about which romantic screenshot is the best to showcase alongside their "shrine" of said character related merchandise. They don't seek fame or attention, just peers who share the same passion.
18:45 Asmon rubbing off on Tec on this one. Anyone notice he's a bit more level-headed these days?
Also 21:01
Another creator with even less sub think hoyo should listen to them to run a business 🤣
Commenting before watching through the video completelly, will edit it if it changes my mind, but my take on this whole hubbub: people are just coping with the fact that Star Rail fell off a cliff. It started with numbers that overtook Genshin, and now Nikke beaten it.
Personally, I find HSR to be super boring once you are done with the story content, to the point that the only reason I'm still playing, is because a good friend of mine is playing. If he'd decide to drop it, I did the same within the day. Like, the majority of the days "playing" HSR goes like this: fire it up on the phone, go to whatever node I'm farming, start the fight, enable auto combat, put down the phone, do something else, come back in a few minutes, start the next fight, repeat until I'm out of fuel or whatever, quit the game for the day. How is this even remotely entertaining?
Also, combat is dead boring, and a lot of new content pushing end-game combat content doesn't help. In Genshin, you can beat even Abyss with a woefully underpowered character, I still remember the guy doing Amber solo runs on Abyss 12. In HSR, you either get the stats (that you need to spend a horrendous amount of time to grind) on the right characters, or don't even bother. The main advantage of turn based combat is that you can stop and think about the next move. This is what makes combat in games like Xcom, Baldur's Gate 3 or Heroes of Might & Magic so fun. HSR stripped down combat to such absolute barebones, that an average hentai RPGmaker game has more depth. At least those games tend to have a "defend" or "skip turn" option...
Meanwhile, I pretty much always find something to do in Genshin that I enjoy. Had a rough day and want to chill, log in, do some teapot decoration or casual exploration for chests and I get relaxed and chill in half an hour tops. I've been playing since day one, pretty much, and never felt the urge to drop the game. And this is the ultimate reality here: if most people enjoy the gameplay itself, then whether we get an extra 10-pull or not here and there doesn't matter. Dragalia Lost threw so much free stuff in your way, that the game went bankrupt over it, and I still dropped it after a month, because it was boring. Sure, gettign more freebies in Genshin would be nice, but I'm not going to drop a game over something like that after I'm probably over 1000 hours in, enjoying the vast majority of the time.
And that's just me, who actually reads about this drama. A lot of casual fans don't even know about the drama. I know 14 people who play Genshin, 2 who play Star Rail. For 9 out fo that 14, Genshin is the only game they play and otherwise not that interested in gaming. They don't much care for meta or constellations, just like the pretty environment, music and story and pull on characters mostly based on if they are waifu / husbando material. They will pretty much never interact with the drama, but happily put money into the game, which makes redditors screaming in an echo chamber thinking that they have a majority voice, when they barely even register as a blip for Hoyo.
And I know, 2 million people stopped following Genshin on social media or whatever. How many of these actually stopped playing the game altogether? How many came back to play after like 2-3 days of "boycott"?
The point of 'it's not supported by whales' is that the usual argument is 'us protesting won't do anything because only a few whales are carrying it'. He's correct that whales will buy on the first banner, but reruns of popular characters always make large amounts regardless of the gacha game. FGO is heavily carried by its whales, and yet if a popular character drops it will cause a huge spike in banner sales every time until the player base is saturated. What he's not considering are 'new whales' who either join the game after the original, became a whale after the original, or become tempted into turning whale on that banner. He's also incorrect about FGO being 'infinite units'. FGO until recently only required NP5 (and it started at NP1) for a maxed character, and those NP levels literally only increased the strength of the NP. Recently they implemented a new whale system which requires NP7 to fully be complete, but just like Genshin, the only purpose for this is solo flexing. You never need to whale to succeed.
Anyway, another of his points is basically pointing to them lying about the sales. Where did the $20m+ go from those banner sales? I believe he's suggesting there's no indication they spent it anywhere else, so they're either pocketing it or they're putting it into sales numbers elsewhere, padding the sales to make them look better. Given HYV's underhanded tactics, I am not surprised at all if it turns out this is what they're doing.
Genshin has become slightly like Tower of fantasy.
so, the problem is, I do enjoy Genshin as a game more, than stupid ass 2 button gameplay of Honkai, but reality is, that honkai's developers acknowledge the importance of f2p, and therefor doing a lot for them to have a good experience with this game. And I don't want to stop playing genshin for this reason, bc I don't want to just abandon my 3 years account doing nothing, like they fucking care about any of this BS. I can stop buying the moon, and i stopped. I can no longer recommend to play this game, and i did. But to just ruin my future experience by not getting characters I want and probably have much less fun playing new major versions in the future is not what I want for myself, so for me personally just stop playing is not an option, and I'm sure there is a lot of players like me. Like it's not hard to spend like 20 minutes a day preparing for a big update, but ofc I don't like how they run their game right now, I just don't want to sacrifice my future experience for nothing
Ok this is copium. Genshin players and gamers in general simply will sacrifice any principle they say they have when there is something they want. Chinese gamers are no different.
Instead of a boycott, we should get the people behind all this fired and replaced by the Star Rail staff ✊️
This should be our real goal tbh. I stopped spending and will keep it up until change happens
Yes we want genshin run by hsr devs not these stingy people who don't care about the game and just want $$$
Nah, dont touch our hsr staff cuz the same thing is just going to happen again
I have said it a million times, guy / guys resposible for this should be fired for the good of the game and company and its not even a stretch of a reason to fire
i just love how SOOOOO MANY CREATORS, just blatantly say I HATE TECTONE BUT without having any reason to do so, I think that just hating you has became a meme XD. Its actually refreshing to have someone who thinks objectively and states bad sides abt a game devs/team, I absolutely love genshin and honkai but genshin needs to listen to players more and you are just speaking facts, id love to see someone that states that they hate you come up with some heavy facts why is that so, and im not talking abt calling someone a mint picker or some dumb shit, being harsh doesnt mean being mean, truth hurts more than a lie and all of these snowflake creators are filled with lies and masks, its a nice change to see someone not wearing a mask.
Also, all he said abt other games is wrong, we also need to think abt genshins state, we have what 2-3 more worlds coming and thats it, they need to make games to last more than lets say 3-4 years. zenless zone will not destroy genshin but it will prolong hoyoverses business
You can hate a person without any reason as long as you leave them alone. That's just the way it is. You cannot force someone to like you.
@@jonathan4554 My comment flew right over your head, dude, its common knowledge that you can't love every person, my comment was abt ppl publicly stating you hate someone (creators with many ppl watching them) just cause and convince ppl that he is a bad person. Just bec they are over sensetive doesnt mean you have to limit yourself by avoiding saying bad words or smth, and that also means they shouldnt be delusional and potrait you as a bad human just bec they are sensetive and "have the right" to say that.
I've seen so many ppl say that they dont like him but dont give us any piece of their thinking that makes sense, or they just start nickpicking stuff thats not worth so much hate, tectone is a good guy but harsh and thats it, they did more to him than he did to them, if u cant take a joke and you are oversensetive leave youtube and every social media bec there are a shit ton of haters that will insult you and you will take it personal, leading you to depression
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fr guys nothing to do? do you play 1 game for 4y? there are 100 amazing games out there. Genshin have too much content xd after 4y i have 320h and i''m still in act2, world level7 xD
Great content and focusing back in the main problem! But honestly I'm just so happy looking at the perfect 40 minutes
The boycott didn't do shit because the only chance we had for change you derailed the situation by focusing on the CC drama so now nobody is rallying in CN for change anymore. They're over it.
He started off the video by saying that they were taking profit from hsr then putting it into Genshin because the game wasn’t doing as well, but then he just switched gears and started using Genshin’s artificial profit as proof that Genshin isn’t failing
Nobody likes to be boycotted, even if it's clear as day that they're in the wrong. It can apply to anything, but one thing for sure is, it shows how low their morals are. Plenty of concrete examples.
FGO you only need 5 copies total to really max out a character. Its pity system is horrendous but it is unlikely you are spending more than 2.5k per character.
Getting more copies only affects the strength of the Ultimate not the fundamental way the character is used, or can be acquired through gameplay on the first copy.
And even then, 120 is just not that big of a deal.
NP5 is only needed for specific strats, or if you want to pimp your waifu.
I've been playing HSR even though I'm not fond of turn based combat just so I can put Genshin Sucks in the survey
Na the fact you don’t ignore anyone is why I’m even on this channel. 💀
#f2pUntilGameChanges
you can't stop the discontent, the discontent is real it doesn't stop without doing anything, I'm now without hope and I'm really thinking of quitting after so much effort to maintain my account, as soon as Wuthering Waves comes out if genshin hasn't changed I've decided that I'll stop playing it and I hope many will because it's the only thing they deserve to stay with their fanbase of casual players,It's not a question of rewards, it's a question of game modes and the absolute lack of a sense of progression. We're all at level 60 now and we can no longer find better artifacts than those we don't already have.
I feel we building character for nothing
Stay in the game load the server capacity.
Server capacity cost money lmao it is necessary.
That 1 dislike probably mihoyo 😂
32:00 i also think this is cap, i have a friend that works on ea games, and what he said is fifa revenue alone is enough to run ea company as a whole. So if you think if zzz will fail that will be their downfall then y’all underestimating mihoyo
This guy sounds exactly like a genshin player.
bro is comparing sales of the game that was marketed as "breath of the wild" killer and that survived for 3 year to the game that just started yeasterday and it has compeeting sales even tho the gameplay isnt most apealing to many people and even tho they gaveaway so much (free pulls avery patch , 1 free standard charater after 300 wish, 1 free Ratio, a bunch of free pulls every 10 levels at the start.....)
I think Eidolons play on my desire to complete things. I love Silverwolf and Topaz. Both of them are E6S5 because the Eidolons make using them easier and since the Eidolons sound good and I can save money from each paycheck leading up to the release i have no problem dropping the $1000. I'm sure that completion mindset is something they take into account. Wanna E6S5 Sparkle next but... probably not happening there's better things to do with that money
NO WAY GRASS AND STONE? ITS BREATH OF THE WILD GUYS HOLY SHIT i mean gliders never existed before botw invented them
I Really Hope Genshin Will Shutdown To Stop This Nonesense
Once again tectone and his chat think genshin 4.4 is boring meanwhile in other part of the universe 4.4 has been one of the best patch genshin had ever released. Hater continue to cry 🤣
I stay away from the community as possible and stay a casuel gamer but boy oh boy the stuff that goes around is just awefull what happend to tectone is nightmare fuel and after finding what the company is about and the toxic community (not ingame) yikes mate
stay away from the community, by that mean comment under a tectone vid, literally the most genshin drama farmer in the entire universe
I'm still adamant that Neuvillettes C1 should've been in his base kit, it's not that he's not powerful enough, it's that the quality of life for the character drastically improves with it
Scabiosity xD
i haven't login into genshin from the moment of the livestream, i don't care about the gems,skins,characters,story
28:00 he became the "akshually" guy himself..insert decaprio pointing at the tv meme
Let’s be fr this fandom cares more about ships than if the game is good or not.
Genshin Impact is still 4.2 on the Play Store and 4.4 on the Apple Store on the Global side respectively. Nothing's changing 😂
I know people think they dont care about Global but on the horrible first anniversary Forbes covered it because the bombing happened on the Global as well as China and other regions.
THEN we got the multi-pull and the glider, EVERYONE has to unite on one front or theres no point. Obviously we need more than just a 10 pull this time as well.
If their rating is great on the Global side why the hell would they listen?
I do sort of see where he is coming from, where you spend 5,000 to C6 and R5 thats possibly 3-5 players being influenced by you to do the same thing. or some other big name content creator spending 5,000 to C6 R5 and saying "this character doesnt need to be C6 to be good just C0 and R0 would be good enough to carry abyss 36*!" then bam thats 100 players spending 500 to do exactly that. You dont carry the spending but you do influence the spending so you and many others still get huge points for "carrying" the spending.
33:00 I was wondering all this time what does this dude actually wants from the game.
"Apologize for disrespecting consumers?"
"Get rid of people in charge?"
I burst out laughing. His voice sounds mature but he throws out tantrums like a spoiled brat.
"Apolochize or I whill not puay youw game and pull yow new chauacteuws. "
He said nothing that would make game more attractive to old players. I started playing 1 year ago and I am still playing today so new players still can enjoy the game.
I will never enjoy the game same way I did for first 2 months when game was fresh to me. And I can't believe playing it for 4 years straight.
And if people complain about Hoyo....then they have been focused on their games for way too long and got spoiled by em.
I've been playing Lost Ark before Genshin. Fell victim to bugs multiple times that did not let me enjoy events. Amazon Games support was so bad. They lied saying what to not do to avoid the bug. They also told me they are sorry for the bug but "There is no option in the game that would fix the bug made by devs fk up, so we can't fix your problem... have fun and see you in Arkasia".
Not to mention EU and NA get all patches years after KR and players just watch a Korean streamers play new stuff on Korean server. They don't even bother doing live stream once every 6 months for global audience. So people just watch what Korea gets in advance. Like kid licking glass window of a candy store imagining how it would taste. They will give you when it gets old and expired. No live stream for it, just read an essay of patch notes.
Should I mention Diablo and state of older Blizzard games? I go play Starcraft2 I see lobby chat and thats a complete freedom of speech. Zero moderation. Rasism, Putin adoration, insults, no rules, no moderation, totally abandoned game. Can't report bugs, they just keep the server running.
I don't see other company like Hoyo that brings new patch every month. Doing a live stream showcasing it like you are watchin a top quality movie or anime. Preparing lore approprate sceneries in the background. Making beautiful breath-taking animations, music, landscapes. They set the bar high. They are the gold standard game dev studio.
So I would say "You can improve this and that" while I do their survey. But saying you guys suck, apologize to me, fire people and get a better management? Thats a kindergarden spoiled brat attitude.
Not to mention he encourages people to intentionally disrupt the service which is a rule violation in every online game I know.
And if someone follows his silly idea, he might experience shocking wake up when he realize his account is irreversibly suspended.
Genshin is perfectly fine how it is.
Ok, now that I've got your attention, I need your help. A game called "War Robots" was a very fun game but about 4 years ago, they started getting greedy. 2 years ago was the beginning of their rampage. They release a new bot, weapon, and additional stuff and they nerf it after 40 days. The truly horrible stuff we want nerfed, they keep it the same. Tons have been saying it's bad and a lot have fully quit including me but would like to see change. All of it is true and we've been saying it for years but no Change. It's worse and is actually one of, if not the worst game and game company on PC and Mobile. Worst part, the company doesn't care. The 20 or so big spenders are supporting this game to the end so our efforts aren't enough.
If you think Genshin is bad at this state, go there or play 5 matches and try not to rage by the 2nd match with real players. Shame, I really liked that game. It's free but you wouldn't pay me to play it again.