@Captain Ron be careful what you say about Judaism; it is not evil, and Christianity is its fulfillment. The Israelites were and still are God's chosen people. That being said, we must pray for the conversion of the Jewish people; the sooner they are converted, the sooner we can expect Christ's Second Coming. Peace be with you.
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’" (Matt. 16:18-19). Praise be the Catholic Church
@QuantumUni, that Jesus is the perfect sacrifice does in any way imply or mean that we have all completely applied this perfect sacrifice to all of our sins, does it? That's at issue here. To illustrate the thinking (and this is not intended to be a one for one metaphor), if we have the perfect paint, but don't apply it to the wall, is our wall covered? What if we only apply that perfect paint to part of the wall, is the whole wall covered?
@QuantumUni, if you had confessed all your sins, and then sinned once again afterward and were unable to confess this one sin before you died, would you be perfect to enter Heaven, or would you need to be cleansed of that one sin prior to entering Heaven?
@ProphetLuong, if you want to bring the Bible into discussion, please tell me where it teaches that the Bible alone is supposed to be our rule of faith. Please tell me which "Bible" the Apostles read from. Was the New Covenant Church started before or after the Bible was assembled?
@QuantumUni, sorry, I thought the context was obvious. The context is that one who would ask forgiveness of sin is one who believes in the Lord, or they would not ask the Lord for forgiveness, right?
This it is a great idea "to show the Flag". You have a longing to be "seen" by the world as a Catholic Nun and I think you are right. I am a Catholic priest(retired) and we today often wear casual lay clothes and avoid the Roman Collar. I find that, when I wear the Black at Walmart or at a coffee shop, people are welcoming and at times you meet a person who might otherwise never have a chance to speak to a priest. A priest or nun must be visible and not just in the Church or Rectory. Thanks!
@QuantumUni, you never answered my question... what if you die in the friendship of God but have small sin on your soul... do you go to Hell automatically, or do you get into Heaven even though you're not perfect?
@QuantumUni, yes, the blood of the Son purifies us from all sin. But, what if a believer has not applied the merits of that blood to even just one of their sins before dying? By dying with even just one sin, are we cleared to enter Heaven straight away with no additional cleansing of that one sin?
@orthodoxchristian707, I thank you and pray that God blesses us and continues to bring you toward the fullness of truth, just as He has for me and continues to enrich me with the truth.
I am a Jew. I am a part of a Protestant Church. Is my love of the Rabbi Yeshua any less than a Jew who found Him in a Catholic Church? No. I praise Him for this sister finding Yeshua, but why does such a silly thing matter?
@JVIPER88, Wikipedia doesn't show the canon was established before 382 AD. That Wikipedia article is full of error, but you embrace error anyway, so you're going to love it.
@QuantumUni, you provided an incomplete answer which I think needs more discussion here to flesh out. There are other requirements besides just asking in any old way, like being insincere and not having perfect contrition would not result in having forgiveness. Secondly, since you say "only believers go to purgatory", does that mean you're now on board with Purgatory as being a real place?
Let me help you. Peter the Rock, showed that the early Church Fathers recognized that Peter is the rock of whom Christ spoke when he said, "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church." This tract highlights some of the implications of that fact. Because Peter was made the foundation of the Church, there were practical implications: it gave him a special place or primacy among the apostles. As the passages below demonstrate, the early Church Fathers clearly recognized this.
@JoshuaPadraig92, the truth of Catholicism is overwhelming for those willing to seek and see the truth, as you do. The truth is an annoying obstacle for those who prefer their own agenda(s). We are blessed to know His Catholic Church is wonderful and beautiful for those who come to her humbly seeking the proclamations of the King and His valid Sacraments, where we can walk in friendship with Him knowing His attributes without error.
The earliest document we have in which "Catholic" is used to label the Church is a letter from Ignatius of Antioch, who wrote around A.D. 107, while being taken to Rome for execution. For all we know, the term was used well before that time-which is to say, in the time of the apostles.
@ProphetLuong, if you want to say the deuterocanon was "added" in 382, then we also must say the four Gospels were also "added" to the canon in 382. Neither was in the canon before that, because there was no official canon. There were different lists by Bishops, but with the full authority of God's Church, along with the Holy Spirit, the Gospels, the epistles, the OT including the deutercanon was "added" to the previously nonexistent canon in 382.
@QuantumUni, the other issue which you try to sweep under the rug is that Purgatory was being discussed here. Matthew 12:31 has nothing at all to do with Purgatory, does it? Be honest.
We catholic say that if u believe in christ you are my brothers and sisters..other religion say that if we are out of their religious belief we are on our way to hell..well maybe part of their doctrine is hatred, anger,envy..of course religion is a very serious issue thats why its a battle of dignity and salvation..but at the end of the day we are all brother and sister, members of the body of christ .and what could be more pleasing to God is seeing His children in unity with Him and is living worthy of a life He gaves to us.
@shanana000 Yes, the usual story is... I finally came home to the fullness of faith in the Catholic Church, after years of partial truths, having to turn off my mind, deny obvious passages of Scripture as a Protestant. Protestantism is a stepping stone to the fullness of God's revealed truth in the Catholic Church.
@QuantumUni, if I'm wrong as you claim, why is it you can't answer the question I posed? You can't answer it because you can't amit the truth and still claim your personal prejudice. If you had confessed all your sins, and then sinned once again afterward and were unable to confess this one sin before you died, would you be perfect to enter Heaven, or would you need to be cleansed of that one sin prior to entering Heaven?
@ProphetLuong, if Rome was completely Paul's "area", why did Paul tell the Romans he did not want to build on another man's foundation (Rom 15:20)? Paul was referring to not building on Peter's foundation he put down in Rome.
@QuantumUni, I am responding directly to your quote. I am not "responding 3 and 4 pages away." I want you to see these, even though you'll probably never learn.
@QuantumUni, I've already refuted your claims, and asked you questions you can't answer. 1. If you had confessed all your sins, but had sinned once again and died before confessing it, how would you get into Heaven as you have sin on your soul? Would you need to be cleansed after death and before entering Heaven where we have to be perfect?
Saint Gregory I the Great (c.540-12 March 604) was pope from 3 September 590 until his death. He is also known as Gregorius Dialogus (Gregory the Dialogist) in Eastern Orthodoxy because of the Dialogues he wrote. He was the first of the popes from a monastic background. Gregory is a Doctor of the Church and one of the four great Latin Fathers of the Church (the others being Ambrose, Augustine, and Jerome). Of all popes, Gregory I had the most influence on the early medieval church.
Keep going down the list and you find Father Flanagan's homes, Catholic Medical Mission Board, Covenant House, and more. Add the thousands of other charities, from Missionaries to the Poor, Amigos for Christ, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, to religious orders (like Missionaries of Charity) and thousands upon thousands of individual parishes across the globe who often do their work in anonymity, and you will see some of the charitable works of the Catholic Church. In the Business Week
@QuantumUni, although, I'm confident we have a different understanding of what a "believer" is, I'll try to make it generic and easy to pick up. A nonbeliever would never have confessed their sins in the first place, and is representing here someone not in friendship with God by their own will. The idea was that the believer was in general friendship with God, and had confessed all other sins but one and died. Would the believer be perfect to enter Heaven with this one unconfessed sin?
@QuantumUni, I just corrected your limited view of Matthew 12:31. In addition, this has nothing to do with Purgatory, does it? I hope you're at least honest enough to admit that.
@QuantumUni, as recorded in "Matt. 12:32, Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language)."
@JVIPER88, to answer your question, it's Jesus Who tells me that I have the not only the right, but the duty to tell you and others the truth. Jesus is the Truth, and has left us with people to continue His mission, protecting them from teaching error and and telling us to listen to them which He also tells us is counted as the same as listening to Him. So, Jesus tells me I have the truth without error, and it's charitable to share it with the ignorant (you).
@ProphetLuong, a 4th problem for your misinterpretation is that the word for small rock or pebble was "lithos". Scriptures did not use the word lithos in the Greek rendering of Matthew. Matthew was the only NT book to be written first in Aramaic, due to writing it to a Jewish audience. Matthew captured Jesus's words which show Kepha to be the new name for Simon, and Kepha to be the Kepha of the Church. Same word, same person who is Rock (Peter).
@mdkpubs I don't know what you mean by "contradiction". I never said there were contradictions, though it is contradictory to common knowledge and understanding. The Koran and the bible are the same in that they are both written by men, with the same purposes of controlling and confusing them.
@ProphetLuong Part 3 While you are debating whether or not to actually answer the questions correctly this time, or contemplating a respnse of ad hominem, I have a second question for you: Since you are a Pentecostal, how would you qualify your interpretation of the Sacred Scriprues as "unmoelested"?
I don't know how they come up to this... between Catholic and Evangelical Protestant ... where all these things goes? ... those who are not sure of their standing before God will always be in this kind of feeling... as if they already have the truth... whatever we may achieve in this world can be a stage for arrogance and pride ...we are saved by grace through faith ...
@orthodoxchristian707, thank you. You did call me a pagan, and I accept your apology. I forgave you before your apology, but it's nice to see you stand up publicly and say so. It's very decent of you.
@ProphetLuong, yes all those things you can't answer, just unproven "tricks," like: 1. Why do you refer to yourself as a "prophet" when you've been shown wrong several times already? (you'll be shown wrong the more you write, unless you change to supporting God's Church). 2. Where did you obtain "authority" to claim you're a final interpreter of God's written word, such that you can condemn others based on your own interpretations?
@shanana000, the descriptive term Catholic was adopted around 100 AD in Antioch, the same place as the word "Christian" started being used. Catholic was used to describe the one Church of the Apostles, Peter, Paul, etc... the Church that Jesus built upon the Rock as this one faith was spreading worldwide or universal. All Christians were Catholic and all Catholics were Christian. Due to disobedience, now not all Christians are Catholic, but all Catholics are still Christians.
Mama24Bear Your point? Protestants go around saying they are spiritual fathers and if you are not going to call NO MAN FATHER then that includes your dad. But the commandment says Honor your Father and Mother . this means you took that out of context.
Mama24Bear Are you saying that Almighty God contradicts himself? If you say he does, then the commandment "Honor thy FATHER and thy MOTHER" Should be changed to "Honor thy Male parent and your Mother" Let me introduce my parents, This is my MALE parent and this is my MOTHER..Get real and try some common sense! Read the following references. Mt. 23: 11-12, 1st Cor. 12:28, Acts 5:24 and 7:27 You can call someone Father as a form of respect 1st Kings 2:12...5:13 In Spiritual form, Ok. 16:24, Rom. 4:12 Fathers and brothers Acts 7:2...22:1 Gal. 4:19. Don't forget, from now on, refer to your Father as your MALE PARENT, OK?
St pauls said to timothy i am your father and you re my son for i bring you the message of truth. Paul is the first to be called father in the christian society. so timothy calls st paul My father in faith.
@orthodoxchristian707, if you've read any of what I've written, you would know that the office of Pope is not separated from Christ. It is therefore how Christ has chosen to work in His Church in this manner. To say the "Pope is not infallible" is to say Jesus cannot do what He promised.
@ProphetLuong, you're wrong for claiming what I say is "nonsense" and "goofy", because what I say has been taught faithfully for almost 2,000 years in God's New Covenant Church. I repeat what the Church teaches, because the Church repeats what Jesus teaches, and Jesus teaches and does what He hears from the Father.
@QuantumUni, glad to see you're finally agreeing with God's Church. There's hope for you yet! The devils also blaspheme while believing the Holy Spirit is God.
The Catholic Church was the first Christian church, founded by Christ during his time on earth. Though many other Christian sects have come and gone over the years, the Catholic Church has remained, strong in Jesus Christ, through the centuries.
@orthodoxchristian707, the term Catholic was used to mean "universal" as in intended for everyone and spreading universally. The Church this name was applied to had a head Bishop who succeeded Peter (as Peter was martyred in 65 AD, and Catholic started being used in 100 AD). The Catholic Church's ecclesial and governmental head was moved to Rome, where it resides today. The term "Roman Catholic" simply means having the ecclesial and governmental headquarters of God's universal Church.
@orthodoxchristian707, only you would ask that question after having read my other posts. Everyone else understood it likely from my first post. So that you too can understand, Jesus is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Eternal Word made Flesh, the Lamb of God, our Redeemer, our Savior... the King of Heaven and Earth who appointed His Prime Minister Rock to be the Rock of the rebuilt Davidic Kingdom His Church.
@QuantumUni, the truth is not an insult. It is intended to wake you up from your malaise. But, if the truth makes you look bad, then perhaps you should change so that the truth is more flattering to you.
@QuantumUni, we cannot fragment the Scriptures like you prefer to do. They all fit together. Grace doesn't have to be literally written in a place for grace to play a part in understanding that verse. I take God's word as a whole, and that's why I don't "proof text" by taking something out of context to distort it like you do.
@ProphetLuong, #1. Nowhere in Scriptures does it say either way to baptize or not baptize infants. #2. John's baptism was different than Jesus' baptism. #3. John's baptism was for repentance of sin, which meant one needed to be of the age of reason to commit sin. #4. Jesus' baptism is for the remission of sin, including original sin, and is entrance into His Church. It's best done at an early age. It does not require belief of the one being baptized to be effective.
@QuantumUni, we can be freed from small sin or mortal sin (which kills the life of God in us). It is the small sin or imperfections that we are freed from or released from in Purgatory. The word I used is just fine.
@JVIPER88, it's not me who is confused. You have yet to properly interpret anything I've said. If you can't interpret me, why do you claim you can interpret God?
@QuantumUni, what you've NEVER learned is that Purgatory is not for those condemned to get a second chance. How many times do I need to write that for you? Those condemned never get into Purgatory. Those destined for Heaven stop by Purgatory to get cleaned up before entering the wedding feast of the Bridegroom.
@VictorLepanto Thanks for the kind intentions but I hope you're not confusing awareness with wishful emotion. Feeling 100% certain of a thing does not necessarily make it so. The lady in the video is a living example.
@bammbamm12 That's a remarkably Catholic attitude. The more painful path must be the better path as it offers more opportunity for redemptive suffering. That's the kind of attitude that leads to abominations like self mortification.
@VictorLepanto ...& why would you want to be moral even if you had some reason to be so? (Pardon the multiposting, I normal don't do such a thing but it is a critical point.)
@QuantumUni, according to St. Thomas Aquinas, "to sin against the Holy Ghost is to take pleasure in the malice of sin for its own sake." The sin against the Holy Ghost is the sin of blasphemy. It is not sin committed through ignorance, or sin committed through weakness. Unbelief can be a sin of weakness or ignorance, and is not therefore blasphemy. To say that blasphemy is the sin of unbelief is to be very ignorant of what blasphemy actually is. It is also to miss the meaning of Mat 12:32.
@orthodoxchristian707, thanks on one hand, but not on the other. We are indeed Christians. We differ on the doctrines, but history, the Church fathers, and the Scriptures show that what I've claimed about Catholicism is true.
@MenechemShaul, to continue, God says the saints in Heaven are alive, so how are we "praying to the dead"? Since Christ says the saints in Heaven are alive, we indeed are praying (talking) to our brothers and sisters in Christ. It is the same as talking to a human on earth, as we can ask either to pray for us, right? So, there's the reasoning to show it's valid. So, the scriptures you posted don't say anything at all about talking to those who are alive in Christ, do they?
@JVIPER88, it's not that you lost interest, but that you never had interest in the truth. You're correct in regard to your personal religion... there's no way you can know the truth... it's only your opinion(s). What I am putting forth is not from me, but repeated from the infallible teaching of God's people He sent and protected to teach the truth about Him. This is why I do know without error... and why you don't. You never engaged with truth, so yours was over before you started.
@QuantumUni, if you understood John 3:18, you would understand that it's not about simple unbelief, but obstinate unbelief. "He that believeth, viz., by a faith working through charity, is not judged, that is, is not condemned; but the obstinate unbeliever is judged, that is, condemned already, by retrenching himself from the society of Christ and his church." Here he takes himself away from that which can help him. It's a bit different than Matt 12:32.
@QuantumUni, will you extend the basic decency of debating what the Catholic Church actually teaches, rather than whatever falsehoods you decide to make up about what she teaches?
@QuantumUni, sorry, I'm using the entire Bible teachings, with someone who likes to "proof text" out of context, and has to have it literally spelled out and even then usually can't understand it. First, what are you even arguing? Do you believe the Jews could keep the commandments themselves without God? It's not a debate about God's laws, it's a matter of how we can fulfill them that we're discussing. There is a purpose behind the law which you don't understand.
@QuantumUni, what you don't know, is that all Scripture supports Catholicism. Why, you may ask? Because the OT is the roots of Catholicism. The NT is Catholicism written down, written by Catholic men inspired by the Holy Spirit about the oral teachings of Catholicism that were being taught to the faithful first century Catholics.
@QuantumUni, John said there is some sin he does not pray about, and that is mortal sin, which when forgiven does change our "verdict". This sin is not what is wiped away in Purgatory. When you have this kind of sin, you never enter Purgatory in the first place, because you're not on your way to Heaven.
@MenechemShaul, perhaps you would benefit from study of Mark 12:26-27 "And as concerning the dead that they rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke to him, saying: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err." So, you greatly err in calling the saints in Heaven, dead. They are living according to God.
@QuantumUni, where does the Catholic Church teach that there is a "change in verdict" for one in Purgatory to change from hell to heaven? I have never seen that as a Catholic teaching. No honest person has ever claimed it was Catholic.
@QuantumUni, like I also correctly stated, the idea of Purgatory has literally nothing to do with the unbelievers. Purgatory is only for those who have been judged to go to Heaven, but not yet perfected to enter. Recall that only the perfect will enter Heaven....
@QuantumUni, no what is fallacy is that you fall short of the discussion, yet want to say it's concluded. As I stated, Jesus is telling those that they cannot be perfect without God, but that alone is not the issue at heart. The issue is whether people die in a perfected state or not. If someone even has a small sin left unatoned for, they are not perfect, but aren't going to Hell either. For what you say to be true, Jesus would have to "automatically" wipe away our sin, which He does not.
@QuantumUni, no, I quite CLEARLY said a change of verdict is not allowed. Purgatory IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON THEIR WAY TO HEAVEN. If you've been judged to go to Hell, you NEVER stop in Purgatory to be cleansed. Why are you continually confused about this? Do you never learn, or are you so prejudiced that you can't stand that I'm right?
I never felt the holy spirit in the Catholic church in fact I was an atheist for many years praise the Lord for soul seeking Protestant churches. Nothing against Catholics many of my family still are but we worship God differently
Mike Grn Come back, the singing is good but our worship is to respect and show respect to the Sacrifice of Our Lord. Singing is great but Us Catholics worship the precense of our Lord.
@@RGTomoenage11 : "Roman catholics" are a despicable bunch of jokers. They stole christianity from original christians & converted it into a "profitable business venture", by spreading fake stories among tribals. They will not succeed in their "false propaganda (However hard they try 😂)". Because "truth always prevails". Such "Roman catholic propaganda vedios", clearly prove, their organisation is running out of steam 😂.
@ProphetLuong, the Jews did consider it inspired when they wrote it down. It's in the Septuagint, found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Apostles used the Septuagint, which has the Deutercanon. Later, the Jews who rejected Christ rejected these seven books since they had been translated (by Jews) to Greek and were no longer in Hebrew. So, you follow those who reject Christ in also rejecting some His Scriptures outright, and other Scriptures you distort.
She's an amazing servant of God. I love her!
@Captain Ron be careful what you say about Judaism; it is not evil, and Christianity is its fulfillment. The Israelites were and still are God's chosen people. That being said, we must pray for the conversion of the Jewish people; the sooner they are converted, the sooner we can expect Christ's Second Coming. Peace be with you.
@ProphetLuong, yes, question. Do you have any idea how to apply the Scriptures at all?
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’" (Matt. 16:18-19). Praise be the Catholic Church
Jesus knows what is in your heart, he reads you like a book.
I love you Roslyn. You have a gift and a direct line to God.
@QuantumUni, that Jesus is the perfect sacrifice does in any way imply or mean that we have all completely applied this perfect sacrifice to all of our sins, does it? That's at issue here.
To illustrate the thinking (and this is not intended to be a one for one metaphor), if we have the perfect paint, but don't apply it to the wall, is our wall covered? What if we only apply that perfect paint to part of the wall, is the whole wall covered?
@mdkpubs
And what "predictions" do you think came true?
@QuantumUni, nobody said you implied sin under grace. Where did you get that?
@QuantumUni, if you had confessed all your sins, and then sinned once again afterward and were unable to confess this one sin before you died, would you be perfect to enter Heaven, or would you need to be cleansed of that one sin prior to entering Heaven?
@SeventhDayRemnant Which bishop approved that interpretation (see Heb 13:17, Acts 20:28, and Titus 1:7a)?
@ProphetLuong, if you want to bring the Bible into discussion, please tell me where it teaches that the Bible alone is supposed to be our rule of faith.
Please tell me which "Bible" the Apostles read from.
Was the New Covenant Church started before or after the Bible was assembled?
@QuantumUni, sorry, I thought the context was obvious. The context is that one who would ask forgiveness of sin is one who believes in the Lord, or they would not ask the Lord for forgiveness, right?
This it is a great idea "to show the Flag". You have a longing to be "seen" by the world as a Catholic Nun and I think you are right. I am a Catholic priest(retired) and we today often wear casual lay clothes and avoid the Roman Collar. I find that, when I wear the Black at Walmart or at a coffee shop, people are welcoming and at times you meet a person who might otherwise never have a chance to speak to a priest. A priest or nun must be visible and not just in the Church or Rectory. Thanks!
@QuantumUni, if you want me to respond again, ask the question again.
@QuantumUni, you never answered my question... what if you die in the friendship of God but have small sin on your soul... do you go to Hell automatically, or do you get into Heaven even though you're not perfect?
@QuantumUni, do you have the basic decency to admit now that I never discussed a "change of verdict" of going from Hell to Heaven?
@QuantumUni, Christ didn't have to suffer Purgatory. Where did you make up that one?
@QuantumUni, yes, the blood of the Son purifies us from all sin. But, what if a believer has not applied the merits of that blood to even just one of their sins before dying? By dying with even just one sin, are we cleared to enter Heaven straight away with no additional cleansing of that one sin?
@orthodoxchristian707, I thank you and pray that God blesses us and continues to bring you toward the fullness of truth, just as He has for me and continues to enrich me with the truth.
@ProphetLuong, thank you for the compliment, because criticism from you is the same as high praise from a wise person.
I am a Jew. I am a part of a Protestant Church. Is my love of the Rabbi Yeshua any less than a Jew who found Him in a Catholic Church? No. I praise Him for this sister finding Yeshua, but why does such a silly thing matter?
@QuantumUni, okay what if you die without confessing all your sins? Are you perfect to enter Heaven?
@JVIPER88, Wikipedia doesn't show the canon was established before 382 AD. That Wikipedia article is full of error, but you embrace error anyway, so you're going to love it.
@QuantumUni, you provided an incomplete answer which I think needs more discussion here to flesh out. There are other requirements besides just asking in any old way, like being insincere and not having perfect contrition would not result in having forgiveness.
Secondly, since you say "only believers go to purgatory", does that mean you're now on board with Purgatory as being a real place?
Called is called. You can run but you can,t hide. He caught you, eh? Bless you for saying " yes!"
Let me help you. Peter the Rock, showed that the early Church Fathers recognized that Peter is the rock of whom Christ spoke when he said, "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church." This tract highlights some of the implications of that fact.
Because Peter was made the foundation of the Church, there were practical implications: it gave him a special place or primacy among the apostles. As the passages below demonstrate, the early Church Fathers clearly recognized this.
@JoshuaPadraig92, the truth of Catholicism is overwhelming for those willing to seek and see the truth, as you do. The truth is an annoying obstacle for those who prefer their own agenda(s). We are blessed to know His Catholic Church is wonderful and beautiful for those who come to her humbly seeking the proclamations of the King and His valid Sacraments, where we can walk in friendship with Him knowing His attributes without error.
The earliest document we have in which "Catholic" is used to label the Church is a letter from Ignatius of Antioch, who wrote around A.D. 107, while being taken to Rome for execution. For all we know, the term was used well before that time-which is to say, in the time of the apostles.
@ProphetLuong, if you want to say the deuterocanon was "added" in 382, then we also must say the four Gospels were also "added" to the canon in 382. Neither was in the canon before that, because there was no official canon. There were different lists by Bishops, but with the full authority of God's Church, along with the Holy Spirit, the Gospels, the epistles, the OT including the deutercanon was "added" to the previously nonexistent canon in 382.
@QuantumUni, the other issue which you try to sweep under the rug is that Purgatory was being discussed here. Matthew 12:31 has nothing at all to do with Purgatory, does it? Be honest.
Amen, welcome Home.
I Love Jesus, and Being Catholic as well :)
We catholic say that if u believe in christ you are my brothers and sisters..other religion say that if we are out of their religious belief we are on our way to hell..well maybe part of their doctrine is hatred, anger,envy..of course religion is a very serious issue thats why its a battle of dignity and salvation..but at the end of the day we are all brother and sister, members of the body of christ .and what could be more pleasing to God is seeing His children in unity with Him and is living worthy of a life He gaves to us.
@shanana000
Yes, the usual story is... I finally came home to the fullness of faith in the Catholic Church, after years of partial truths, having to turn off my mind, deny obvious passages of Scripture as a Protestant. Protestantism is a stepping stone to the fullness of God's revealed truth in the Catholic Church.
@QuantumUni, if I'm wrong as you claim, why is it you can't answer the question I posed? You can't answer it because you can't amit the truth and still claim your personal prejudice.
If you had confessed all your sins, and then sinned once again afterward and were unable to confess this one sin before you died, would you be perfect to enter Heaven, or would you need to be cleansed of that one sin prior to entering Heaven?
You waited for messiah just to find out the he already came.Yes Jesus is the long awaited the messiah the world has been waiting for.
@ProphetLuong, if Rome was completely Paul's "area", why did Paul tell the Romans he did not want to build on another man's foundation (Rom 15:20)? Paul was referring to not building on Peter's foundation he put down in Rome.
@QuantumUni, I am responding directly to your quote. I am not "responding 3 and 4 pages away." I want you to see these, even though you'll probably never learn.
Once Catholic, always Catholic. Praise God.
@QuantumUni, I've already refuted your claims, and asked you questions you can't answer.
1. If you had confessed all your sins, but had sinned once again and died before confessing it, how would you get into Heaven as you have sin on your soul? Would you need to be cleansed after death and before entering Heaven where we have to be perfect?
@QuantumUni, Jesus Christ existed at that time, and His Grace existed. How do you think Mary was found full of grace before Christ was incarnated?
Saint Gregory I the Great (c.540-12 March 604) was pope from 3 September 590 until his death. He is also known as Gregorius Dialogus (Gregory the Dialogist) in Eastern Orthodoxy because of the Dialogues he wrote. He was the first of the popes from a monastic background. Gregory is a Doctor of the Church and one of the four great Latin Fathers of the Church (the others being Ambrose, Augustine, and Jerome). Of all popes, Gregory I had the most influence on the early medieval church.
Keep going down the list and you find Father Flanagan's homes, Catholic Medical Mission Board, Covenant House, and more. Add the thousands of other charities, from Missionaries to the Poor, Amigos for Christ, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, to religious orders (like Missionaries of Charity) and thousands upon thousands of individual parishes across the globe who often do their work in anonymity, and you will see some of the charitable works of the Catholic Church.
In the Business Week
@QuantumUni, although, I'm confident we have a different understanding of what a "believer" is, I'll try to make it generic and easy to pick up.
A nonbeliever would never have confessed their sins in the first place, and is representing here someone not in friendship with God by their own will.
The idea was that the believer was in general friendship with God, and had confessed all other sins but one and died. Would the believer be perfect to enter Heaven with this one unconfessed sin?
@QuantumUni, I just corrected your limited view of Matthew 12:31. In addition, this has nothing to do with Purgatory, does it? I hope you're at least honest enough to admit that.
I think she is wonderful and I love her story.
@QuantumUni, as recorded in "Matt. 12:32, Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language)."
@JVIPER88, to answer your question, it's Jesus Who tells me that I have the not only the right, but the duty to tell you and others the truth. Jesus is the Truth, and has left us with people to continue His mission, protecting them from teaching error and and telling us to listen to them which He also tells us is counted as the same as listening to Him. So, Jesus tells me I have the truth without error, and it's charitable to share it with the ignorant (you).
@ProphetLuong, a 4th problem for your misinterpretation is that the word for small rock or pebble was "lithos". Scriptures did not use the word lithos in the Greek rendering of Matthew.
Matthew was the only NT book to be written first in Aramaic, due to writing it to a Jewish audience. Matthew captured Jesus's words which show Kepha to be the new name for Simon, and Kepha to be the Kepha of the Church. Same word, same person who is Rock (Peter).
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I don't know what you mean by "contradiction". I never said there were contradictions, though it is contradictory to common knowledge and understanding. The Koran and the bible are the same in that they are both written by men, with the same purposes of controlling and confusing them.
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While you are debating whether or not to actually answer the questions correctly this time, or contemplating a respnse of ad hominem, I have a second question for you: Since you are a Pentecostal, how would you qualify your interpretation of the Sacred Scriprues as "unmoelested"?
I don't know how they come up to this... between Catholic and Evangelical Protestant ... where all these things goes? ... those who are not sure of their standing before God will always be in this kind of feeling... as if they already have the truth... whatever we may achieve in this world can be a stage for arrogance and pride ...we are saved by grace through faith ...
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But we most be in communion with one another as one body of Christ. Protestanism lacks that.
@orthodoxchristian707, thank you. You did call me a pagan, and I accept your apology. I forgave you before your apology, but it's nice to see you stand up publicly and say so. It's very decent of you.
@ProphetLuong, yes all those things you can't answer, just unproven "tricks," like:
1. Why do you refer to yourself as a "prophet" when you've been shown wrong several times already? (you'll be shown wrong the more you write, unless you change to supporting God's Church).
2. Where did you obtain "authority" to claim you're a final interpreter of God's written word, such that you can condemn others based on your own interpretations?
@shanana000, the descriptive term Catholic was adopted around 100 AD in Antioch, the same place as the word "Christian" started being used. Catholic was used to describe the one Church of the Apostles, Peter, Paul, etc... the Church that Jesus built upon the Rock as this one faith was spreading worldwide or universal. All Christians were Catholic and all Catholics were Christian. Due to disobedience, now not all Christians are Catholic, but all Catholics are still Christians.
@QuantumUni, you say "refute this claim" but you make no claim. Do you know how to communicate?
@VictorLepanto: Re: My previous statement; it should read, "To be a Jew is [NOT] erroneous." While Judaism might not be erroneous, my typing often is.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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Your point? Protestants go around saying they are spiritual fathers and if you are not going to call NO MAN FATHER then that includes your dad. But the commandment says Honor your Father and Mother . this means you took that out of context.
Mama24Bear Are you saying that Almighty God contradicts himself? If you say he does, then the commandment "Honor thy FATHER and thy MOTHER" Should be changed to "Honor thy Male parent and your Mother" Let me introduce my parents, This is my MALE parent and this is my MOTHER..Get real and try some common sense! Read the following references. Mt. 23: 11-12, 1st Cor. 12:28, Acts 5:24 and 7:27 You can call someone Father as a form of respect 1st Kings 2:12...5:13 In Spiritual form, Ok. 16:24, Rom. 4:12 Fathers and brothers Acts 7:2...22:1 Gal. 4:19. Don't forget, from now on, refer to your Father as your MALE PARENT, OK?
St pauls said to timothy i am your father and you re my son for i bring you the message of truth. Paul is the first to be called father in the christian society. so timothy calls st paul My father in faith.
@orthodoxchristian707, if you've read any of what I've written, you would know that the office of Pope is not separated from Christ. It is therefore how Christ has chosen to work in His Church in this manner. To say the "Pope is not infallible" is to say Jesus cannot do what He promised.
@ProphetLuong, you're wrong for claiming what I say is "nonsense" and "goofy", because what I say has been taught faithfully for almost 2,000 years in God's New Covenant Church. I repeat what the Church teaches, because the Church repeats what Jesus teaches, and Jesus teaches and does what He hears from the Father.
@QuantumUni, glad to see you're finally agreeing with God's Church. There's hope for you yet!
The devils also blaspheme while believing the Holy Spirit is God.
The Catholic Church was the first Christian church, founded by Christ during his time on earth. Though many other Christian sects have come and gone over the years, the Catholic Church has remained, strong in Jesus Christ, through the centuries.
@orthodoxchristian707, the term Catholic was used to mean "universal" as in intended for everyone and spreading universally. The Church this name was applied to had a head Bishop who succeeded Peter (as Peter was martyred in 65 AD, and Catholic started being used in 100 AD). The Catholic Church's ecclesial and governmental head was moved to Rome, where it resides today. The term "Roman Catholic" simply means having the ecclesial and governmental headquarters of God's universal Church.
@orthodoxchristian707, only you would ask that question after having read my other posts. Everyone else understood it likely from my first post.
So that you too can understand, Jesus is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Eternal Word made Flesh, the Lamb of God, our Redeemer, our Savior... the King of Heaven and Earth who appointed His Prime Minister Rock to be the Rock of the rebuilt Davidic Kingdom His Church.
He, meaning the interviewer is Roman Catholic. Show is called Journey Home.
See Tim Staples Journey Home.
I am the Lord, that is My name;
And My glory I will not give to another,
Nor My praise to carved images. Isaiah 42:8 NKJV
@QuantumUni, the truth is not an insult. It is intended to wake you up from your malaise. But, if the truth makes you look bad, then perhaps you should change so that the truth is more flattering to you.
@QuantumUni, do you even know what the Catholic Church teaches about Purgatory, and what the Church does not teach?
@QuantumUni, we cannot fragment the Scriptures like you prefer to do. They all fit together. Grace doesn't have to be literally written in a place for grace to play a part in understanding that verse. I take God's word as a whole, and that's why I don't "proof text" by taking something out of context to distort it like you do.
@ProphetLuong,
#1. Nowhere in Scriptures does it say either way to baptize or not baptize infants.
#2. John's baptism was different than Jesus' baptism.
#3. John's baptism was for repentance of sin, which meant one needed to be of the age of reason to commit sin.
#4. Jesus' baptism is for the remission of sin, including original sin, and is entrance into His Church. It's best done at an early age. It does not require belief of the one being baptized to be effective.
@QuantumUni, we can be freed from small sin or mortal sin (which kills the life of God in us). It is the small sin or imperfections that we are freed from or released from in Purgatory. The word I used is just fine.
Yes, she is wonderful.
@orthodoxchristian707, the fullness of Jesus' revealed faith continues today only in His one Catholic Church.
@JVIPER88, it's not me who is confused. You have yet to properly interpret anything I've said. If you can't interpret me, why do you claim you can interpret God?
@QuantumUni, what you've NEVER learned is that Purgatory is not for those condemned to get a second chance. How many times do I need to write that for you? Those condemned never get into Purgatory. Those destined for Heaven stop by Purgatory to get cleaned up before entering the wedding feast of the Bridegroom.
@VictorLepanto Thanks for the kind intentions but I hope you're not confusing awareness with wishful emotion. Feeling 100% certain of a thing does not necessarily make it so. The lady in the video is a living example.
@Enigmatik691, you're exactly correct. "ProphetLuong" is a self described "prophet", but one at odds with God's word.
@bammbamm12 That's a remarkably Catholic attitude. The more painful path must be the better path as it offers more opportunity for redemptive suffering. That's the kind of attitude that leads to abominations like self mortification.
you are right in saying there is a history of totalitarianism.
@VictorLepanto ...& why would you want to be moral even if you had some reason to be so?
(Pardon the multiposting, I normal don't do such a thing but it is a critical point.)
@QuantumUni, according to St. Thomas Aquinas, "to sin against the Holy Ghost is to take pleasure in the malice of sin for its own sake." The sin against the Holy Ghost is the sin of blasphemy. It is not sin committed through ignorance, or sin committed through weakness.
Unbelief can be a sin of weakness or ignorance, and is not therefore blasphemy. To say that blasphemy is the sin of unbelief is to be very ignorant of what blasphemy actually is. It is also to miss the meaning of Mat 12:32.
@orthodoxchristian707, thanks on one hand, but not on the other. We are indeed Christians. We differ on the doctrines, but history, the Church fathers, and the Scriptures show that what I've claimed about Catholicism is true.
@MenechemShaul, to continue, God says the saints in Heaven are alive, so how are we "praying to the dead"? Since Christ says the saints in Heaven are alive, we indeed are praying (talking) to our brothers and sisters in Christ. It is the same as talking to a human on earth, as we can ask either to pray for us, right? So, there's the reasoning to show it's valid. So, the scriptures you posted don't say anything at all about talking to those who are alive in Christ, do they?
From Judaism to half truth to the Whole Truth...!!!
Touching and shocking testemonial in a hiper-relativist world!
@JVIPER88, it's not that you lost interest, but that you never had interest in the truth. You're correct in regard to your personal religion... there's no way you can know the truth... it's only your opinion(s).
What I am putting forth is not from me, but repeated from the infallible teaching of God's people He sent and protected to teach the truth about Him. This is why I do know without error... and why you don't. You never engaged with truth, so yours was over before you started.
@ProphetLuong, criticism from someone like you is the same as praise from a wise person. Since I understand where you're coming from, thank you.
@QuantumUni, if you understood John 3:18, you would understand that it's not about simple unbelief, but obstinate unbelief. "He that believeth, viz., by a faith working through charity, is not judged, that is, is not condemned; but the obstinate unbeliever is judged, that is, condemned already, by retrenching himself from the society of Christ and his church." Here he takes himself away from that which can help him. It's a bit different than Matt 12:32.
@QuantumUni, will you extend the basic decency of debating what the Catholic Church actually teaches, rather than whatever falsehoods you decide to make up about what she teaches?
@QuantumUni, sorry, I'm using the entire Bible teachings, with someone who likes to "proof text" out of context, and has to have it literally spelled out and even then usually can't understand it.
First, what are you even arguing? Do you believe the Jews could keep the commandments themselves without God? It's not a debate about God's laws, it's a matter of how we can fulfill them that we're discussing. There is a purpose behind the law which you don't understand.
@QuantumUni, what you don't know, is that all Scripture supports Catholicism. Why, you may ask? Because the OT is the roots of Catholicism. The NT is Catholicism written down, written by Catholic men inspired by the Holy Spirit about the oral teachings of Catholicism that were being taught to the faithful first century Catholics.
@QuantumUni, John said there is some sin he does not pray about, and that is mortal sin, which when forgiven does change our "verdict". This sin is not what is wiped away in Purgatory. When you have this kind of sin, you never enter Purgatory in the first place, because you're not on your way to Heaven.
@MenechemShaul, perhaps you would benefit from study of Mark 12:26-27 "And as concerning the dead that they rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke to him, saying: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err."
So, you greatly err in calling the saints in Heaven, dead. They are living according to God.
@QuantumUni, where does the Catholic Church teach that there is a "change in verdict" for one in Purgatory to change from hell to heaven? I have never seen that as a Catholic teaching. No honest person has ever claimed it was Catholic.
@QuantumUni, like I also correctly stated, the idea of Purgatory has literally nothing to do with the unbelievers. Purgatory is only for those who have been judged to go to Heaven, but not yet perfected to enter. Recall that only the perfect will enter Heaven....
@QuantumUni, no what is fallacy is that you fall short of the discussion, yet want to say it's concluded. As I stated, Jesus is telling those that they cannot be perfect without God, but that alone is not the issue at heart. The issue is whether people die in a perfected state or not. If someone even has a small sin left unatoned for, they are not perfect, but aren't going to Hell either. For what you say to be true, Jesus would have to "automatically" wipe away our sin, which He does not.
@QuantumUni, no, I quite CLEARLY said a change of verdict is not allowed. Purgatory IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON THEIR WAY TO HEAVEN. If you've been judged to go to Hell, you NEVER stop in Purgatory to be cleansed.
Why are you continually confused about this? Do you never learn, or are you so prejudiced that you can't stand that I'm right?
I never felt the holy spirit in the Catholic church in fact I was an atheist for many years praise the Lord for soul seeking Protestant churches. Nothing against Catholics many of my family still are but we worship God differently
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Come back, the singing is good but our worship is to respect and show respect to the Sacrifice of Our Lord. Singing is great but Us Catholics worship the precense of our Lord.
@@RGTomoenage11 : "Roman catholics" are a despicable bunch of jokers. They stole christianity from original christians & converted it into a "profitable business venture", by spreading fake stories among tribals. They will not succeed in their "false propaganda (However hard they try 😂)". Because "truth always prevails". Such "Roman catholic propaganda vedios", clearly prove, their organisation is running out of steam 😂.
Oh well if it makes her happy then it must be correct. Haha, great logic you have there. I hate the fact that she is lost and on her way to hell.
@ProphetLuong, the Jews did consider it inspired when they wrote it down. It's in the Septuagint, found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Apostles used the Septuagint, which has the Deutercanon.
Later, the Jews who rejected Christ rejected these seven books since they had been translated (by Jews) to Greek and were no longer in Hebrew. So, you follow those who reject Christ in also rejecting some His Scriptures outright, and other Scriptures you distort.