What Matters MOST For Low Speed Turns
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Here's the FULL Video of me on the DCT Honda Gold Wing ua-cam.com/video/3gy9ftbRk1k/v-deo.html
What if it's an emotorcycle
My wife and I truly get the best results and learn the most from your videos; you teach in a very “learnable” way without all the fluff and BS as other motovloggers try to cram down our throats as content. Keep up the great work, Greg. Gonna go gear up and go practice now 👍
It makes me happy to pull in to a tight place and whip a successful u turn…to either side. The full lock u turn from standing, especially to the right, is also a point of pride. It took me a long time to get good at them both. To most I’m just a guy turning his motorcycle around but those who know, know, ya know?
I'm finally back on a bike after 3 years and this was a great reminder as I was feeling rusty in my low speed turns. Thanks!
I started with Clutch, Throttle and Brake. But I realize now more and more how much I depend on the Brake, as you mentioned. Going to be fun trying to "reset" and do those turns without using it, then add it later in the future.
I have not been using rear brake and thought I was doing it wrong. Others say use rear brake . Thank you
Thanks, I can do 16 foot circles on my 22' MT-09 but only with the rear brake. I was so eager to accomplish that goal that thinking about it now... I'm not that great with the clutch. I'm going to go back to the fundamentals and do clutch and throttle only and do your white belt stuff in that manner only.
I love the clutch camera view! Nice!! 😊🤟🏼🔥
Three weeks ago today I was doing those low speed practices and (if I say so myself) I was doing very well with tight "snowmen" maneuvers. I wasn't using my throttle, but relying on my idle speed to keep the bike up. On an especially tight left turn, I needed more power to keep me up so I let out the clutch a bit more and that caused the engine to go below the magic 900 RPM at which point the ECU killed the engine to prevent low speed lugging (perfectly normal for my bike). When the rear wheel stopped getting power, down I went -- HARD (!) and I broke my left collarbone. I was still in that "golden hour" so I was able to pick up my bike and ride it home.
Moral of the story:
Never practice these maneuvers with the clutch only, ALWAYS use the throttle in conjunction and coordination with the clutch. Some may say that it is a defect with my bike and that the engine of THEIR BIKE can go below normal idling RPM without stalling. Make sure that is true by testing it while stopped before assuming that you don't need throttle before doing tight turn maneuvers.
By the way, I appreciate these kinds of videos where safety and good motorcycle behavior is taught. Yes, practice is important to gain skill, but practice is NOT without risk.
Yup, as Robert Simmons says, PRELOAD the throttle/rpms during slow speed movements, and KEEP IT LOADED. Idle speed alone is asking for a stall...
Hey Greg, I’ve been watching you since owning a bike was just a distant dream. Now that I own a 600cc sport bike, I can say that being able to have total and complete control at slow speeds is way more cool to me than being able to fly through corners. Thank you for all the resources you give us for free, currently working my way through the belts on your app. Also what you say is so true, these videos mean nothing if you don’t go out and practice, practice, practice.
Everyone can ride fast slow takes practice
His name is Greg, fyi
@@RadDadisRad you are totally right, I don’t know how I forgot. What’s the background on the name fast Eddie though?
Repetition (practice ) is the mother of learning.
Something I should practice when I get another bike. Those were pretty tight turns. Bravo!
Practical, informative and honest review each video since you start vlogging
Big thing when you first start is relaxing your arms, wrists and elbows. Hard to smoothly control a bike when you’re all tensed up.
I enjoy slow speed maneuvers on my RT, even when riding two up. Plan on practicing more today. 👍
Impressive work on the concourse and m109r. Alot of people including myself forget you have to use all the space available. I have the m50 boulevard and practice on that.
Man I wish I'd have you here in Germany once. Kinda having trouble going off with my R6 RJ03 and doing circles and stuff. Good vid as always.
Thanks I needed this video 🙏😊
This comment does not apply to a low speed riding but it does apply to always give yourself room in which he has had many videos on the other day there was a traffic line up out in the country on a main road because there was a tractor ahead holding back 50 or more vehicles, I stayed on the Centerline looking far ahead as I could because I was afraid with people getting off work anytime somebody come up behind me at a pretty good rate of speed because it's on a curve I could only see so far back I stayed on the Centerline looking for a spot to move forward so I wouldn't be the last vehicle in line, a few seconds later I glanced back into my mirror getting ready maybe to move left to go pick a spot farther up and I seen a white SUV coming probably about 60 70 miles an hour fortunately since I was on the Centerline she passed me on the right almost almost piling into the vehicle that was about 70 ft in front of me because I was giving myself plenty of room to get out of there if necessary I looked right in her window when she went by her jaw look like it was laying on the front seat when she realized there was a motorcycle between her and the car(ME) in front of her that she was coming up on and not being able to almost get to a stop her anti-lock brakes we're doing all the work while she was freaking out needless to say she stayed real far away from me probably thinking I was going to attack her car after that one, but I was thankful to the good Lord that I was aware of my surroundings and nothing happened but I hope she learned something by that because she was probably also was text messaging at the same time but it turned out to be a good day that could have been a hospital ride if not worse, so as he always says always be alert of your surroundings at all times when you're riding a motorcycle you're basically at War zone you might not realize it but you are,😢😢 not all those people are trying to kill you on purpose but they sure will by accident 😮😮
I was practicing this just this evening. It’s been 33 years since I’ve ridden a bike, and I’ve back on a bike for just three weeks. Anyways, I was practice really tight turns from one parking space to another. At the end of it I noticed my wrists were completely exhausted. I have a whole lot of catching up to do.
Never will I get that good. If I tried that I'd have a trashed bike. He's got talent thats for sure.
Super useful video! It would be even better if you could add a screen with the throttle.
I need to master myclutch and throttle, I need this so thanks. But I also have a gear question and it is riding denims vs fabric pants. Could you please ( sorry to be a bother ) explain the conditions that dictate the choice of the denim pants over fabric? Do they allow for a more comfortable ride? I always use and buy fabric and ignore the denims should I save for them?
Awesome capture of clutch hand.
Great video! Wish I lived in your area so I could take your courses.
MotoJitsu❤
This type of vidio really helps. Two cameras one on cluch and 2nd on you and your bike... Make more vidios like this...
One doubt I know only you can clear it Motojitsu- can we Uturn from a stop on an incline?
In decline U turn from stop my speed is increasing rapidly and rear brake also seems ineffective to controll my speed??
Make vidio on these two soon ❤❤❤
2:03 to 2:13. Notice how he pulls in the clutch some as he begins the dipping to begin the sharp turns. ;) and he gets back in the friction zone area with just barely keeping it around 2 to 7% clutch being let out of the edge of the friction zone to maintain the same speed or close enough within a 1 to 1.5 mph margin of difference while in the middle to the end of performing each sharp u turn...I believe.
Great video thanks bro
My r1200rt almost flies, but I need more low speed control. I'll practice turning bigger diameter than shown in this demo, for a while. Been practicing couple weeks, yesterday dropped bike; glad for rear crash bars and plastic cylinder head protectors. One mirror popped off, footpeg broke off; mirror popped back on, switched passenger peg to the front. I like your full body protection. I was wearing less; helmet. mtb gloves. mtb elbow pads. Right arm and leg only a little sore today. Thanks for Great content. I'm going to get past white belt w app and practice. I need to find a howto on soldering thick cast aluminum; w propane or do I need mapp; found pre-fluxed brazing rods on Amazon. 🏍
Forget the solder. Use JB weld. I stuck my shift lever back together with it 15 years ago and it's still tight as a tick.
Totally laid on that rear brake when I started. Wound up being extremely detrimental
whats ur advice on slow turns with clip ons on the bike? i find it hard to make a tight uturn because my bars are so wide on my cbr
could you do some low-speed manoeuvring on a very low cc bike like 50-125cc?
great video. We need another go pro on your speedometer
Excellent job Marine wish I still lived in San Diego sometimes for the riding
Hey Bubba, good episode. Years ago, I read some advice from Jimmy Lewis, to not slip the clutch so much because you'll overheat the oil. Personally, I ride my streetbikes like a dirtbike, I use the clutch a lot. In my mind, you have so much more control when you can unhook from the engine. I agree more with you than Jimmy Lewis. My buddy thinks I'm wearing out the clutch by doing that, but I can't remember the last time I replaced a clutch. Good series.
I'm ok with changing the oil more. it's not bad for the clutch it's probably harder on the cable than the clutcg
Loud & clear 💯🇵🇭👏👏👏👍👍👍
finally a video with a clutch zoom in
Hey Greg what the brand of your airbag vest?
Practice is key 😎🤙
Thank you for the encouragement and guidance.
you're welcome
Problem with the msf course for a new rider is they either can't or don't have time to explain things well. My instructor was an intuitive rider that rode all his life, but struggled to explain how to do a lot of these basics. I thought we had to stay perfectly upright for slow speed, and was afraid to let the wheel get to the full lock position.
Honestly a 2 day (10 hour) course with a full class is not enough time to cover much more than start stop swerve and turn.
Also, I need a practice buddy for parking lot drills. Lol
I'm sure you are more experienced now, but you are right; 2 days in a parking lot in second gear is not enough. Your upright during slow speed thought is an example of that, but you don't know what you aren't told. Thankfully, I'd watched videos like this and had ridden larger mini-bikes (I know, oxymoron) as a kid and a few times on a real bike (decades ago). But, that means nothing if it's not recent. I just knew "a little" more than some. I was surprised some had never been on a bike before (motorcycle).
Now I'm struggling with making the decision to get the bike I want to buy (2024 Eliminator - not that big, 451 cc) and just simply getting $9,000 home in traffic I've basically never ridden in and it's only 6 miles...lol. I could not imagine riding one home had I never ridden before my class. I don't now how my classmates are going to make it without help and there are no advanced classes within 50 miles that don't require your own bike and bike-friendly parking lots are not plentiful in my town. Only one person in my class owned a bike and had been risking a ticket for however long.
It takes an enormous amount of skill to ride safely, but I think it takes intuition as well (a pianist would call it talent). A bike is a very logical machine and if you don't get things like inertia, balance, gyroscopic continuity (even if you don't know what it's called), action and reaction, using all 4 limbs at once, and things of that nature, you could experience an unpleasant event.
I would have liked to have another day or two at the training lot to practice on after passing the class. I'd pay more for that, but it isn't offered. Seems it would be an inexpensive thing for the DMV to offer and would pay for itself if they charged for it.
@floridaredneck absolutely know more now... it took a shift in attitude to start making more progress. A friend of mine said "it's just a machine, you are good with machines" changed my perspective and gave me a confidence boost.
That sounds great! It is a machine for sure and some are better at those than others. I was speaking more of logic because it does what you tell it to do within it's limits and you can't know what those are in an MSF class.
You can't learn to ride a bike without one, and doesn't make sense to own one if you don't know how to ride it first. The hardest part is figuring out how to use something you don't quite yet have, in order to get good enough with it to get one. If that makes sense, I'll try to be more confusing next time. @@pamelawalsh8153
You definitely have the sweet spot!
Are you riding the clutch or is it fully out?
SUGGESTION: (if thats okay) you should do this video again or one like it with GoPros on both clutch and throttle, maybe even on the foot brake so we can see it all in action to fully understand. just an idea
Hey man, I´m starting to ride at 25 years and I ´m looking for an affordable (ca. 5.000€) sporty bike which ist also comfortable for longer rides.
In Germany, a Ninja 400 is too expensive (6.000-7000€) but for around 5.000€ i could get my hands on an (2010-2015) ER-6f.
Would you recommend this bike for a beginner/in general or should i get something else?
Question trying get a bmw with two I looked but how do we get the side pouches
What the medical alert slip on your sleeve?
I may have missed it if you said it, consistent throttle and just clutch movement?
What gear? When making circles clutch and throttle are you just a neutral question? Mark. I'm a little confused. Thank you 😊
That’s awesome. Dancing with a 550 or more pound wet weight bike in a 16’ opening.
Nice camera work on the first section of the video.
I always thought im burning the clutch doing that. This video gave me a relief
I hear a lot of scraping sounds coming from the Harley's foot rest or foot pegs around 6.00 minutes.
Gear?
Can ur foot leave the peg n not touch ground to pass test
Best instructor ever 💯
thanks
In the Netherlands you learn to only use the rear break for the U-turns and never to touch the clutch. As always, many roads leads to Rome. In our case to Amsterdam.
that's weird you're taught that
No option on brake usage here on anglesea in Wales there are no flat car parks .
Closest we get to Flat here in wales is council housing 😂
Hello.
Thanks for vid. I use rear and front brakes at the sametime
Man I watched a guy in the MSF ERC on a rice rocket and he clearly didn’t understand counterbalancing in the box but he was still able to make the turn and they passed him. I was on a softail and turned faster and tighter than him.
That Sea World parking lot is great. Hardly anyone ever there.
Be gentle on clutch and throttle whilst riding.hard pulls and switchs only work in fast and furious universe
Th hat was Awsome
Do you get to full lock?
O hey moto jitsu here's my bike , now go and scratch it, lol.
Love this video - what would be great is to also the know the speed at which you are doing this - also Iam guessing your throttle hand was keeping the speed constant ?
Also - what gear are you in and what gear is the best to do this in?
Less than 15mph and always first gear
@@MotoJitsu I was using some of what I learned from the video at a circular cul-de-sac near my house - on a scout bobber sixty and Everytime I felt my speed was too slow - a slight release of the clutch solved it.
I'm planing on buying my first motorcycle next year and I already watched so much of your videos that I already dreamt that I crashed... 2 times and that I knew my mistake lmao Probably should lay off from videos a bit
Good move
Struggling with slow speed full lock turns. On am sv650s, and clutch friction zone is very narrow very far out.
What can I adjust to make life a little easier on this bike?
Don't use the "friction zone".
@@vaportrail226 ok, why not, and what do i do instead?
@@deusmorthem441 Slipping the clutch isn't necessary. Neither is counter balancing. Throttle control will be your friend. Check out moto gymkhana techniques. You have the perfect bike for it!
@@vaportrail226 trying to. my throttle hand was on point when younger, but thats a while ago, and on right handers, its not so stready, so im slipping clutch. sounds like more practice to get back on top, and checking gymkhana as suggested. thank you
@@deusmorthem441 I'm an old guy too. Started doing gymkhana about three years ago, it's a much better method to handle the tight stuff. Counter balancing and clutch slipping is for off road and low traction, so it's good to know that too
Helite rules!
So I live in Europe and, there really are not that many empty, free parking lots, the only one near me which is available sits at a 10° angle, could you exemplify these exercises on a slope, or give a comment on how I can make it work there?
I do exercise on a similar parking lot with slope, the technic is the same, nevertheless, in my opinion it is more difficult, for a very experienced slow speed rider it might not make that much of a difference.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
CONFIDENCE and TRACTION
lack one or the other or BOTH you are gonna drop the bike
yes i relearned this yesterday on a state park road that was more mud then road on a harley road king i lacked the traction dropped the bike .... during a u-turn to get me out of worse trouble
its okay im okay
and my ego isnt so bruised i cant talk about it
I know what I'm doing after work.
Your mums been around the carpark thousands of times and she's fun a parties.
I prefer to use my front brake. Is that wrong?
NO FRONT BRAKE WHEN TURNING!!! YOU AND THE BIKE WILL FALL OVER!!!!
Perhaps it’s time for a Road Trip 🤣🤣🤣
Side bar. Who makes those gloves?
Chinese, who else??
Can you demonstrate this with a DCT? Cause there is no clutch in a DCT or even a scooter
already have videos on this...and with scooters
This video made slow speed stuff “click” thanks!
At what point/speed do you counter steer?
When you want to lean. Doesn’t matter the speed
What if you have an automatic (honda dct) and no clutch to use?
Respect from Pakistan 🌹
First time I'm seeing someone use 3 fingers on the clutch - usually, I see either 2 or all 4. Personally I use 2, I find that I have more finesse that way.
All personal preference...whatever works best for you
I think is much harder and you don t have even 50% control on cable operated clutch
So, 2 things I'm curious about:
1. Is it possible to make the bike move with just the clutch like I do on my Diesel car?
2. What's with some bikes having the rear wheel held on both sides and others only having the chain side holding it, but the entire rim visible on the other side?
1. Yes, depending on how powerful the bike is will depend if the bike will feel like it's shitting itself if you try to get going with clutch only vs with some throttle as well. (It's the same as cars)
2. That's mutli sided swing arm vs single sided swing arm. You'll typically see single sided swing arms on more expensive bikes because you obviously need better/stronger materials if only have 1 swing arm. It's also viewed as a "luxury"/premium thing. As for it's actual function, I believe for racing it's superior, which is why you'll typically only find single sided swingarms on liter sport bikes.
based
It looks like riding motorcycle, at least in parking lots, is getting boring to you. It's no longer riding when your not sitting on the saddle/seat :P
Honda Safety course explicitly teaches not to use the clutch if going above 5 km/h. It may be helpful for beginners, but is also an extra opportunity to drop the bike.
Can you show same on 125cc, I took a test drive today, and 1st gear clutch there is no way you can do that, it doesn't drive a shit. It was going on 2nd gear 10km or I don't get something
Ugh... My mechanical sense is teeth crunching for the clutch slipping and wearing down...
Where was the scooter? No clutch, just rear brake and throttle for me. P.S. I hate the sound of the crash bars scraping on the ground
1st or 2nd gear?