I love these guy very much and I adore their music. Nevertheless, I don't know if it's the sound or what but in my opinion they sound a little sloppy, especially Tosin in the solos. And don't get me wrong I know those are extremely diffcult songs to play and I'm not even close to play as good as they do. I just don't agree with a lot of the comments saying how on point or accurate their playing is.
I have tried Tosin's music many times... I mean it looks impressive, and I know music is eventually subjective, but I can't help but to honestly ask, where is the freakin' musicality? Where are those ear pleasing harmonies and timeless melodies? For the most parts it sounds like a tough guy pissing contest dick measurement fest... And no I'm not your typical blues guy either as I'm a session player for more than 15 years and not at all into conventional music ^^ ...It all just sounds like try-hards who have expiration dates on their products and in couple of years will be generally forgotten... ....... Please don't get me wrong though, I like this guy and his music seems interesting and innovative, but at least to me, melodies are one of the most if not the most important aspect of a good and meaningful musical piece, as without melodies, the musical journey and storytelling process will be significantly limited. It all reminded me those early postmodern 80' Classical pieces where many professional musicians just wanted to sound different for the sake of being different! And we all know what happened to those so-called musics... They simply vanished forever without a trace and nobody even remember them ever existed! ... ~peace
I think you will need to grow an appreciation for the sonic character of their riffs, the heavy fizzy distortion - staccato 'baw-chaka-baw' 'djent' sound. And then you have a context for placing the melody. The dynamic is somewhat flat if you hear the sonic quality of the rhythm sound/riffs and that's what I think immediately puts people off. I'm fond of even the dirtiest guitar tone having good head room and place for drums to breath. If you can get used to this side of their sound, then you might actually begin to appreciate the melody. I had trouble getting into this and Tosin is not in my playlist still, but I kind of spent time trying to understand the sound. I can enjoy the melodies now I think. Most importantly, if you can't start to enjoy the 'bw-chaka' then don't try to get the melodies, it doesn't work.
@@b-sideplank Well, there are many great artists out there who are neither as much market-driven! nor do they have their own guitar company! But their music is what I would consider pure magic; simply because what they creative come directly from their heart and soul and has no agenda of any kind (economical, political, personal, etc...) to follow. David Gilmour once said that real musicians are the most selfish people when it comes to genuine creativity; and if anyone else likes their works, it would merely be ice on the cake, nothing more. --- These days though all I see are super market-driven music that needs to be produced to simply satisfy the needs of a certain people of usually certain age... Producers literally ask musicians to follow a certain and specific guidelines when creating music. In other words, imagine if one of these musicians decides to make a song solely different than the rest of the music he is known for, he would have a very difficult time getting approval unless he wants to publish it personally... Why would I force myself to listen to this kind of self-limiting market-driven musicians in hope of finding one or two listenable and musical pieces while there are many many musicians out there whose music are not market-driven or not as market-driven to begin with? --- Moreover, yes technically speaking, there is no dynamic space left in the signal for the sounds to breath... Everything is compressed to hell and not only that, but I don't really hear the guitar anymore; all I hear is high output pickups and mathematical organized sounds which I should consider music? Music can be analyzed with mathematics for sure, but creativity and music IS NOT mathematics. I'm an educated musicians (Berkeley graduated) and I know and teach music theory to students as well. However when I sometimes see some students get obsessed with theoretical side of music or think theory is everything I always warn them that Music is like an infinite continuous sky, while music theory is like a machine that can make this sky into some organized discrete chops only for the sake of analyzing; hence that machine should not be confused with the sky before it...
@@konnektliveYou don't have to listen to anything. I don't listen to Tosin and no one has yet held a gun to my head. So, I'm fine. But I try to investigate things with an open mind.
@@b-sideplank Who said I have to listen to him? So by that logic I can't express my opinion? That is my right to express what I think freely and that's the very reason such forum exists to begin with. By your logic people should not talk about their thoughts and opinions and only follow what they like and ignore what they don't... That sir is not the definition of open-mindedness, just saying ^^
@@konnektlive I did not say you can't/shouldn't express your like/dislike toward Tosin or other music. You have now edited out the part where you said 'why you have to listen to Tosin' (I'm paraphrasing from memory). I responded by saying you don't 'have to listen'. I don't see why you shouldn't listen to music you don't like. You may want to listen to them for many reasons. For analysing, for journalistic reasons, for research or simply curiosity. And you should be able express criticism of what you think is worthy of criticism. And nothing I said previously are in conflict with this position.
![Some really sick playing transpired at NAMM 2019... [Part 1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lvcrMgopaKA/mqdefault.jpg)
what a great song for beginners
Cent Smith I want to give my students this for music theory after their 2nd lesson.
Lol I keep seeing this comment
@@wynton765 a timeless [insert time signature joke] classic
papa javier and uncle tosin
Man, Javier's finger independence is straight up scary, it's like he has complete control over every muscle in his hand.
Just the perks of having a Spanish Classical background
they actually sound amazing with the backing track so low in the mix. you can really hear how tight their playing is.
yep - truly impressive
They were tight and they knew it. They couldn't stop smiling.
I've never seen just Javier and Tosin play, definitely a treat thank you for the upload!
Great musicians making mind candy that moves away dark clouds.. thank you brothers! 🎸🙌
It moves through the dark clouds.
Skip the lack of a sound engineer 3:26
Thx dude!
Lol
Seriously. Holy shit. What happens when people attempt to record two electric guitars? Why is one always just out there in the void somewhere.
Whats the first song called?
@@Daedalus-_- Ka$cade from 'The Joy of Motion' album.
Soo nice o hear Javier's parts clearly
I love their 8 string bass register. Tosin’s tone is so aggressive and Javier’s is so heavy!! Match made in Heaven!
i love how the people bang their heads even before they start actually playing.
I love how thicc Javier's guitar sounds are, his sound on mestis stuff is also phenomenal
7:37 I pick up a pancake
stevie t the djentleman
Sound mix is a super bummer
Oh man
GAWD DAMM NAMM!! /w\METAL/w\
(skip to 4:00 to skip sound checking, etc)
So sad. What a shame this doesn't sound as good as it could.
Thank you Kanye, very cool.
Ca$cade is a hell of a song, damn!
super tight!
I have some fishmans but i havent installed them yet
Tosin quiero ser como tú
mesmerising
omfg that tone
Javier is my fucking jam! great fucking guitar player
Look at Javier's nametag at 4:50. Haha
Jayk Saul what
Where all the javier underated comment....?? Lol...JK...
will we ever get tosin singing??
he doesn’t need to sing, he does it with the guitar
Is Javier playing the new open core Fishman's or his old pickups or something? I can't see that trademark Fishman's line on the pickups.
Song titles, anybody?
But can they play Smoke On The Water?
yes
idk man, it might be a little bit difficult
I doubt
No, they can't
There actually is a vid up with aal playing Smoke
Love AAL but that mix sounds pretty muddy. Amazing players in Tosin and Javier nonetheless
cool!!!
That Esp JR-608 is so sexy.
gods
The Hasslejav nametag :D
I love these guy very much and I adore their music. Nevertheless, I don't know if it's the sound or what but in my opinion they sound a little sloppy, especially Tosin in the solos. And don't get me wrong I know those are extremely diffcult songs to play and I'm not even close to play as good as they do. I just don't agree with a lot of the comments saying how on point or accurate their playing is.
ken susi apreciando a los masters yeah
lml
What is the name o the first song??
11:22 a Sigh of relief of forearm extreme tension
What is the tuning of the lowest string on Tosins guitar? That's filthy.
EBEADGBE
Where can I buy Tosins guitar?
I guess at: abasiguitars . com
Hows your timing ?
These dudes are aliens.....haha so good
Mantap sin
aku enak lho
this at 5:00 is killer
javier .... fear the beard vibe
A wild Susi appears
Sounds like an outboard motor but still very musical!!
what is the first song??
Ka$cade from 'The Joy of Motion' album.
McNoiseboy thanks man 👍🏽👍🏽
Their tone sounds so empty in this recording. Sucks it was a demo for fishman.
HassleJav xD
The second song they played was a mess. They probably couldn't hear themsleves with the track very well or something.
7:27
Is that Ken from Unearth in the left hand corner 🤔😂😂😂😂
Yeah hes a spokesperson for Fishman
It would have been awesome if this had been mixed properly... 8:28 - 8:44 sounds pretty yucky.
The talent is absurd.
Betcha can't play this...
Абася, топовый музыкант, а на лайвах его работа аналогична школьнику.
Looks up easy beginner guitar songs...
4:10 javier fucked up. Haha. Happens to great guitar players too.
What fluence model is Javier playing?
His signature
Hasslejav
The timing sounds off..
Jesus fucking Christ...
Капец Хавьер постарел (
I can play like Javier 0-0-0--0-00-0-000-000-00-0-00-0-0-0-0-0 all on 8th string
stupid lol
I have tried Tosin's music many times... I mean it looks impressive, and I know music is eventually subjective, but I can't help but to honestly ask, where is the freakin' musicality? Where are those ear pleasing harmonies and timeless melodies? For the most parts it sounds like a tough guy pissing contest dick measurement fest... And no I'm not your typical blues guy either as I'm a session player for more than 15 years and not at all into conventional music ^^ ...It all just sounds like try-hards who have expiration dates on their products and in couple of years will be generally forgotten...
.......
Please don't get me wrong though, I like this guy and his music seems interesting and innovative, but at least to me, melodies are one of the most if not the most important aspect of a good and meaningful musical piece, as without melodies, the musical journey and storytelling process will be significantly limited. It all reminded me those early postmodern 80' Classical pieces where many professional musicians just wanted to sound different for the sake of being different! And we all know what happened to those so-called musics... They simply vanished forever without a trace and nobody even remember them ever existed! ... ~peace
I think you will need to grow an appreciation for the sonic character of their riffs, the heavy fizzy distortion - staccato 'baw-chaka-baw' 'djent' sound. And then you have a context for placing the melody.
The dynamic is somewhat flat if you hear the sonic quality of the rhythm sound/riffs and that's what I think immediately puts people off. I'm fond of even the dirtiest guitar tone having good head room and place for drums to breath. If you can get used to this side of their sound, then you might actually begin to appreciate the melody.
I had trouble getting into this and Tosin is not in my playlist still, but I kind of spent time trying to understand the sound. I can enjoy the melodies now I think. Most importantly, if you can't start to enjoy the 'bw-chaka' then don't try to get the melodies, it doesn't work.
@@b-sideplank Well, there are many great artists out there who are neither as much market-driven! nor do they have their own guitar company! But their music is what I would consider pure magic; simply because what they creative come directly from their heart and soul and has no agenda of any kind (economical, political, personal, etc...) to follow. David Gilmour once said that real musicians are the most selfish people when it comes to genuine creativity; and if anyone else likes their works, it would merely be ice on the cake, nothing more.
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These days though all I see are super market-driven music that needs to be produced to simply satisfy the needs of a certain people of usually certain age... Producers literally ask musicians to follow a certain and specific guidelines when creating music. In other words, imagine if one of these musicians decides to make a song solely different than the rest of the music he is known for, he would have a very difficult time getting approval unless he wants to publish it personally... Why would I force myself to listen to this kind of self-limiting market-driven musicians in hope of finding one or two listenable and musical pieces while there are many many musicians out there whose music are not market-driven or not as market-driven to begin with?
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Moreover, yes technically speaking, there is no dynamic space left in the signal for the sounds to breath... Everything is compressed to hell and not only that, but I don't really hear the guitar anymore; all I hear is high output pickups and mathematical organized sounds which I should consider music? Music can be analyzed with mathematics for sure, but creativity and music IS NOT mathematics. I'm an educated musicians (Berkeley graduated) and I know and teach music theory to students as well. However when I sometimes see some students get obsessed with theoretical side of music or think theory is everything I always warn them that Music is like an infinite continuous sky, while music theory is like a machine that can make this sky into some organized discrete chops only for the sake of analyzing; hence that machine should not be confused with the sky before it...
@@konnektliveYou don't have to listen to anything. I don't listen to Tosin and no one has yet held a gun to my head. So, I'm fine. But I try to investigate things with an open mind.
@@b-sideplank Who said I have to listen to him? So by that logic I can't express my opinion? That is my right to express what I think freely and that's the very reason such forum exists to begin with. By your logic people should not talk about their thoughts and opinions and only follow what they like and ignore what they don't... That sir is not the definition of open-mindedness, just saying ^^
@@konnektlive I did not say you can't/shouldn't express your like/dislike toward Tosin or other music.
You have now edited out the part where you said 'why you have to listen to Tosin' (I'm paraphrasing from memory). I responded by saying you don't 'have to listen'.
I don't see why you shouldn't listen to music you don't like. You may want to listen to them for many reasons. For analysing, for journalistic reasons, for research or simply curiosity. And you should be able express criticism of what you think is worthy of criticism. And nothing I said previously are in conflict with this position.
Javier Reyes is totally not even close to the other guys level
Steve Nixx have you seen Javier’s solo stuff? He has his own style and is phenomenal.
do you even play guitar and listened longer than the first 30 seconds?
@@roele2413 I do and yes, and still - not even close
Sounds like an outboard motor but still very musical!!