Bro. Your defense for his characterization completely flipped my perception for this Shockwave. His plan of pretending to steal the fuel cell so the Autobots and NEST are pressured to go get Sentinel, UNKNOWINGLY doing EXACTLY what the Decepticons want... That just genuinely made me stop for a moment to hold my head in my hands over how BRILLIANT that was.
Tbh, i always thought that was the case. Someone figured that, since sentinel was out of commission, they needed the matrix to revive him. So, they let the autobots grab him, just letting them know he was there.
@@tunatunafishie Your correct, Soundwave is the most loyal (and trusted) ally of Megatron. While I don't think Soundwave has ever really been leader of the decepticons, he will vehemently defend the position of leader of decepticons against any other decepticons until Megatron returns
@@unapessoa4875 and then Sentinel ends up taking all the power from Megatron. And then a human manipulated Megatron into attacking Sentinel, which then leads to Megatron getting effortlessly killed by Optimus.
@@chadpeterson5698 Bro, Megatron was risking everything for the deal, so he couldn't defend himself, what could he do without any problems since it was said that he wasn't weakened And another thing, Megatron only decided to risk everything to kill Sentinel because the guy would lose his job. And another thing..., the ending was changed, because even Michael Bay himself indirectly showed that that ending and the other 2 film shouldn't even exist
@@unapessoa4875Megatron could have waited to kill Sentinel until after Sentinel had already killed Optimus since in the movie version it’s shown that Megatron’s desire for a truce was phony. While in early drafts Megatron did legitimately want to redeem himself, that’s not what counts here. Plus most of what you said kinda backs up what I said. Sentinel took all the power from Megatron by means of taking advantage of their alliance and hijacking control over the decepticons. It’s the reason Megatron turns on Sentinel because he realized that Sentinel tricked him.
31:31 Like *SHOCKWAVE OBVIOUSLY's gonna struggle to take the parachute off his face when said parachute is being constantly tangled by the soldier wearing it & while also he's being MASSIVELY riddled by god knows how many shoters, & yet he manages to get out & the only one who were able to Finally take him down was OPTIMUS HIMSELF*
Also, can you imagine how many times that parachute got caught in his complex ass design? I'm surprised he didn't just rip it apart from his spiky ass body constantly catching it.
Yeah but if you remember from just a few minutes ago shockwave literally shrugged off the destroyers' bigger gatling gun rounds AND CONTINUE WALKING FORWARD. I don't think he'd have any trouble against the human's tiny and comparably weaker assault rifle rounds.
@@blazingjuggernaut4422 he wasn't getting shot on all sides and plus the wreckers also jumped in to help too so yes they could hurt him our guns can hurt and kill them if he hadn't gotten outta there he would've died
something people don't talk about this Shockwave design is how his mouth looks like a spider's mouth, most of his design and voicelines are made to make him look inhumane, contrary to most Transformers who have faces, hell, Optimus fucking looks like a human, shockwave looks like an alien, like a weapon
Funnily enough, it matches his G1 self pretty well. Shockwave doesn't have a face. He has only one arm. His alt mode is literally a giant weapon. Shockwave is more of a machine than a human. Hell, more of a machine than a _transformer._ So this...mutation to a strictly inhuman(e) creature is very welcome indeed
@@frederickyin4422 you really dont know shockwave's war crimes. there's a video you should watch, "There's Satan. And there's Shockwave.", something like that
i think the lack of screentime adds to this boogeyman effect, that nobody really knows who shockwave is and what hes always planning. Makes him more mysterious which contrasts his drillerbot that is wreckless.
Yeah no, his lack of appearence before the chicago fight is a fair argument, but after that it's still bad, he should've had more screen time of him attacking and fighting the autobots, and he shouldn't get killed by a parachute
That’s one way to view it, for me I always make a joke when he finally makes his second appearance in the 3rd act to my buddy saying oh shit I almost forgot he was in this movie haven’t seen him since the start 🤣🤣🤣, I come to transformers movies for the bots plus I didn’t appreciate being lied to by bay during the production constantly, ( ie: soundwave and shockwave, heck didn’t they even try not to reveal that the truck was megatron at first?)
@@illyanesterenko8930 There was a tie in game that shows how nasty he was. He was slaughtering Autobot waves effortlessly. In this film, Shockwave is as powerful as Megatron in the first film, just emotionless.
@@shauntempley9757 Oh yeah, but why nothing of it was showed IN THE FRICKIN MOVIE?! Why I have to play, to see how cool Shockwave was in the games, while in the movie he was nothing.
17:33 Starscream: “Lord Megatron, shouldn't we be doing more than just sitting around in this place?” Megatron: “Nah, let Shockwave cook.” Starscream: “🤨🤔 *nods in agreement* ”
@@_aWiseMan It blew my mind when he was disguised as one of the 13 primes (won't spoil who he pretended to be here) to fufill his agenda. I wish we explore more of Shockwave. He has a lot of potential to be more versatile, as a villain, than he actually is.
A note on TF Prime's Shockwave and why I think he is really tough and not easy to take down: In his debut episode and throughout the rest of the series, Shockwave no sells fire power from the autobot canons regularly, most of the time not even flinching. He ragdolls Cliffjumper, takes him down with a single blast that doesn't even hit him head on, only explodes at his feet. Shockwave only takes damage when Arcree shoots him directly in the eye, blinding him, and even then, Shockwave stays on his feet and keeps firing until the space bridge explodes with him still inside it. Shockwave survives being at ground 0 of a space bridge explosion and remains functional enough to repair himself, even though he's blind too now. A similar space bridge explosion would later leave Megatron, who was also juiced up on Dark Energon, in a coma for half of a season. Megatron would have died if it he hadn't gotten treatment. When Shockwave comes back in season 3, he jumps off of a mountain-height tower and slams into the ground hard enough to raise a massive dust cloud and seems completely unphased. He takes Wheeljack and Bulkhead, two wreckers with immense durability and combat experience, down with a single shot of his canon. Later, he takes both of them on in a close quarters fight and dominates for the most part. Shockwave takes on Ultra Magnus, a highly renowned combatant, in a close quarters fight, and while it's clear he is outmatched in terms of skill, he takes numerous blows from the larger bot without going down and catches a couple of his blows with his hand. Shockwave ragdolls Smokescreen and Bumblebee, the only times they manage to knock him down are when they take him by surprize and blindside him. Shockwave survives a mauling from a horde of undread predacons without bleeding one bit. The one weird part is him going down to a punch from Bumblebee, but it was directly to the eye, which could be his weak spot. And he gets up right after anyway. So while I do agree that movie Shockwave is much tougher than people give him credit for, I do think putting TF Prime Shockwave as an example of a Shockwave that goes down easily is doing him a bit dirty.
Very true, I honestly never even thought about the space bridge explosion effects before. I didn't mean to imply that TFP Shockwave was weak, because he absolutely isn't, I just meant to say there where times he'd go down easily for a breif moment or so despite his strengths, though the guy would always get back up and continue the fight.
Two things you forgot to mention, TFP Megatron only clung on to dear life because of the dark energon, Shockwave didn't require that and before being knocked down by Bumblebee, he took down both Ratchet and Smokescreen, the latter was holding the Star Saber so he still did his part and then some despite the small role in the final episode
As a Shockwave fan myself, I do see your points. I think you've changed my mind, but I've had a DotM Shockwave figure for a while now anyway. Just wanted to mention: If you've played the DotM game (which may or may not be canon) it is a prequel to the movie and it shows that Shockwave was frozen. Megatron thawed him out in the prequel and there's a big final boss fight with Shockwave and his driller. That game was part of the reason I'm more willing to accept the Bayverse Shockwave.
Unlocking and dominating as him in multiplayer was such a good time. I always found it strange he had no alt mode in the game despite the toy having one.
38:49 The DOTM video game actually tells us what Shockwave was doing all of those years: He was frozen just like Megatron was in the 1st movie! From what I recall (i have not played it in a bit), Shockwave was frozen by the Soviets / Russians, and in the video game, we play as Megatron activating the thaw process to free shockwave, and then we play as Optimus not long after to face Shockwave head on in an epic fight before Shockwave eventually retreats.
@@Green_The_Gamer I highly recommend it. It plays very similarly to War For Cybertron, since it was made by High Moon., so you know you'll be in for a good experience.
@@Richtofen-gy9cj while its not in continuity with the films, the backstory that states that shockwave was frozen was used for pretty much ALL tie in media for DOTM despite the fact literally none of it is connected to the game, kinda implying that is meant to be his canon backstory
This video was quite… LOGICAL On a side note; I think elements of the Bayverse films should be incorporated into other Transformers media, like, give Shockwave a pet Drill-worm, give Sideswipe some wheel-feet, give the Constructicons unique designs, etc
People always complain how the Bay movies have designs that you can't recognize compared to their original versions, but with Shockwave it's pretty damn obvious who he's supposed to be. I love his design and overall presence in the movie. His eye being much bigger than his original design is also creepy as hell
THIS. My main problem when it comes to bayverse designs is that 90% of they don't follow the same design philosophy Shockwave and Optimus do. New and unique, but instantly recognizable as who they're supposed to be.
@@SNDWV99 Unicron trilogy Red alert, tfp arcee, animated prowl, armada megatron, tfp soundwave and starscream, rotb scourge and battletrap, bb dropkick. These designs are unique and still looks good yet does not match the original. Do not give the "G1 started it" G1 was made just to sell toys, comic and merchandise you are saying that because it came first. Example bayverse blackout and barricade both designs override their original design no one is going to look at the micromaster and think that's them, Blackout design came into animated and tfp comics while barricade design is literally so popular that newer design took it as inspiration, wfc trilogy barricade, wfc game which took his black colour schemes, and animated guidebook which also made barricade a cop. Transformers design is always changin so why does only bayverse get flaked upon this was a trend back at the time with unicron trilogy, animated and prime. Also bulkhead from energon was a helicopter junkie while from animated he is big, lovable guy which prime took inspiration from his design and put him in. Tfp starscream who looks nothing like his g1 counterpart yet acts like him his a traitorus con in the first 2 seasons. Tfp soundwave looks like nothing and yet he acts like soundwave, loyal to megatron, eyes and ears of the decepticons and spy on his enemies. Armada starscream look little bit accurate as he has no blue but only red and white and yet he's different he is loyal to him and only betrays when he is mistreated and decided to join the autobots and died to make two faction to join alliance to stop unicron. Tfa ratchet looks accurate and he acts like a grumpy guy with ptsd while his g1 counterpart is overall a nice doc. Que looks nothing like wheeljack and yet he acts like wheeljack as he creates weapon for his teammates, while tfp captured his coolness and wrecklessness. Bays ironhide looks like a grizzly tough guy which his original counterpart was depicted and he acted like that, while his tfa counterpart who looks like the og but doesn't act like him. Bays Bumblebee is so iconic to the point that many shows depict him with this design, tfp, cyberverse, earthspark and rid2015 with different head and even with the reebot unicerse, it's iconic to the point that bumblebee is a car with yellow colour and black stripes. Bays crosshair while looks nothing like his og counter part and yet he recieved lots of new toys of aoe and tlk. Edit: and probably is iconic at some point. Another one is Bays constructicon they look nothing like their ogs and yet they still looks good with the exception of maybe hightower. Another one bays soundwave despite his design he acted like soundwave in rotf, he gathered intel where megatron was dropped and send ravage to get the shard and later sends a team of constructicons to revive him, he later calls the cons to earth after primes death, he later tracked sam in egypt, in dotm soundwave acted as carly's car, which no one suspected until after he gathered intel he revealed himself like in g1 where spike found a small cassete and took it where soundwave gathered intel and later revealed himselft. What did bb soundwave do commanded the cons and ejected ravage, that's all he did, while future movies will come we will see and maybe i will change my opinion on him. It doesn't matter if they look the same everyone grows with their own show or movies but acting like every design should be the same will slowly become bland, if the designs look like they fit the character and acts like what it looks like it's good. Another example tfp megatron mixture of g1 and bayverse and i will argue that he looks more threatining than his g1 counterpart as he doesn't give the leader of the decepticons vibe than tfp or tfa. Bays megatron while he was a lacky after 2007 he planned the operation to retrieve sentinel, he fooled the humans and wait patiently when they were making galvatron and later took over it's body like tfa. BB dropkick does not like his orignial and yet he's my fav design while scourge and battletrap who looks nothing like their og and yet still looks good, i get the criticism on aoe and tlk as we cannot see the car kibble but complaining that they should like their g1 counterpart is at this point is overated. I get you want traditional characters look like their traditional characters but this make transformers unique, characters in different continuity looks different than their original counterparts and yet still looks unique and fresh, this is the beauty of transformers.
@mohammadhossain9608 The problem with everything you just said is character recognition. Not to us fans, but to the general audience. Let me ask you a question: do you have a problem with Spider-Man always looking like Spider-Man? Or Batman always looking like Batman? Not talking about the one off suits like the Big Time or Zebra suits. The main costume in every show and movie. I'm assuming no, because those characters are so iconic and well recognized that even a 70 year old in a place with no internet knows who they are. Why can't Soundwave have that same treatment? Or Red-Alert? ESPECIALLY Megatron. That's what Hasbro's goal is with the evergreen designs. THIS is what our characters look like. You can tweak them to fit the new style of whatever new project you're working on, but they NEED to resemble THIS. Also, the whole "G1 was just an advertisement for toys" argument is incredibly misguided. Every piece of Transformers media is a toy commercial. Even bayverse. They got rid of the integrated weapons of the first two films so they could market the new Mechtech gimmick for the toys. If the franchise ever wants to have any staying power in the public consciousness, it needs to have recognizable characters as well as good stories.
@@SNDWV99 I agree with some parts of the arguement that characters being recognizible, firstly that legacy character should be mostly recognizable like, Optimus prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Shockwave, Soundwave, Ironhide, Ratchet, Ultra magnus, Galvatron etc. Optimus: red and blue colour scheme Megatron: grey colour scheme with canons like tfp or g1 or retractable like bays Starscream: The plane cockpit should be on his chest (Idk about his colour scheme as he is a military earth jet which is mostly grey however if he revealed himself to the humans then he could paint job himself to be prideful) Shockwave: one eye, purple colour scheme and hand gun Soundwave blue and gold colour scheme, with face mask and visor( though i like bay's soundwave design, but it was silver due to make a revealation that he is carly's car to shock the audience) Bumblebee: yellow colour scheme with black stripes Ironhide: Red, black, canons like his tfp counterpart ratchet: depends if he's an ambulance then red and white however if he's an emergency vehicle then maybe green Ultra magnus: red, blue, and white or mostly blue and slight red like his tfp counterpart Galvatron: purple colur scheme with grey or colour scheme like his angry birds counterpart and orange canon Though characters like barricade, blackout, crosshairs, knockout, strongarm, and shadow striker who were forgotten characters literally had a redesign which we all recognize them as now (Barricade: cop car, blackout: helicopter, crosshairs: green sports car, strongarm: female cop, shadow striker: a bot damage to the point that after being rebuilt she looks like frankestein) these characters are forgotten but later were remembered as what they are now. Though design with some tweaks work like optimus with flames, bumblebee's stealth form, megatron's upgraded colour scheme (night stalker, dark energon redecos). There are also some artist like shan4rt and maxeralfa07 who mixes animated, g1 and bayverse to make unique redesign. But I agree with the points you made easily recognizable characters but with some few tweaks i agree with points, but i feel like hasbro should mix up design which create new, recognizable and unique design like armada optimus who had red and blue colour, with some tweaks like his truck grill being the body and smoke stacks on his forearms but still recognizable not flat up g1 with mechanical design, this is why i loved rotb arcee she resembles her g1 counterpart like the head, visor but had a different colour.
@mohammadhossain9608 I don't disagree. Barricade and Blackout are two of my favorite character designs, with Barricade being one of my favorite characters. None of that is due to the original micromaster. No-name characters like that can be revamped and reworked due to their obscurity. I just don't want every character except Optimus and Bumblebee to be treated that way.
Fun fact: Shockwave doesn't speak English or anything else because he hates humans and because of that he doesn't want to speak a language that humans invented
I dont feel like that would really be the case. he made the dino bots from observations of earth. hes a scientist war criminal. curiosity is in his nature and his emotion's were wiped so he can actually hate. he realized how much time he was wasting because his emotions would get in the way. he could of given himself his emotions back or given himself his arm back. but he chooses not to. it would be illogical to get rid of such an asset that wouldn't require him to have to transform into a vehicle. he has no emotions which lets him see his purpose more clearly and he wouldnt want it any other way.
I’m…impressed with how informed your opinion is on this iteration of Shockwave. I always thought they did him dirty in this movie, but after watching this video…my perspective on him has somewhat changed. Well done. I still think he should have gotten more screen time, but I suppose less is more in his case. Great job 👏🏼
Shockwave really won me over during his defeat. LITERALLY EVERYONE vs one bad guy is among my favorite combat tropes. Even Megs had one in the first movie, and then all that effort was just to slow him down from getting the Allspark. A headcanon I got is not only does he choose to not transform, but actually removed his ability to in order to add more armor and firepower. With the driller covering transport, the only real advantage to having a tank mode would be a somewhat smaller target from certain angles, and he'd have a little more protection around his head, both at the cost of maneuverability and reflexes. So, I once thought he was pretty good...Congrats, you've absolutely changed my mind. 😎🎉
Shockwave left such a massive impression for so little screen time, I honestly feel like he should’ve had his own side film. He should’ve been the main villian of Bumblebee.
The fact that you point out one of the most overlooked argument by the majority of transformers soys regarding bots screentime to cgi budget ratio gives me hope about humanity again. Well done boss... Well done.
I always like DOTM Shockwave, but I was upset by the way he dies in the film, and this video solved that problem for me, and showed me that Shockwave was even smarter then I thought he was in this film, amazing video man, 11/10, keep up the great work!
I found Funny how Both Shockwave's VA in the Bayverae were previoulsy Megatron aswell -Daniel Riordan, his voice in the 2007 Game, played Predacon Megs in RID 2001 -Fred Tatasciore, his voice in the DOTM game ALSO played Megatron in that game & in Fall of Cybertron -& Of course, Frank Welker, his voice in DOTM, I think he doesn't really need me to present him 😊
I do agree that the design is cool, and you do raise some good points about Shockwave in terms of his character. However, despite that, I do think there are some things they they could have done better 1. Let Shockwave kill some onscreen people. They don’t have to be any major characters, just let him kill some background characters, and maybe 1 or 2 of the wreckers as well. If he has an onscreen kill count, then he’s seen as more credible if he actually kills someone rather than having no kills under his belt when even Blackout has killed more people 2. I would have made his fight with Optimus a little bit longer. Mainly have him successfully put his eye back in his socket and react just in time to engage in a hand to hand combat engagement with Optimus, he’d still lose because plot armor, but at least his last stand would be seen as more epic rather than giving the fans the impression that he’s weak. 3. Rather than him simply getting Optimus tangled up in cables, he actually manages to get a good enough hit in to the point that Optimus’s jet pack is actually disabled and Optimus himself is knocked out for a moment. Oh and also the second line you say that he speaks is not actually English, but a bunch of gibberish that gets accidentally misinterpreted as English in the subtitles.
This is my favorite shockwave design. I like that shockwave look like a skeletal insect made form sharpe metal. And it look very close to gen1 shockwave well still being different enough.
Dude, this perfectly describes the impact that shockwave had on the film with that being a secondary villain and also goes to show how absolutely strong the character is in this iteration with him taking on multiple attacks from both the autobots and humans, this video does the con a lot of justice
Shockwave in Dark of the Moon takes basically all the nest soldiers, the wreckers, and Optimus Prime to finally bring down Shockwave in Transformers Prime get distracted by a shiny sword and gets knocked out with one punch from bumblebee of all people Edit: don't get me wrong Bumblebee in Prime definitely have them hands but he's not the strongest character and I'm mainly just focusing on how it's a bad showing for Shockwave and side note that's kind of the whole point of bumblebees character he's supposed to be this weakish character who is capable of bringing down characters who are much stronger than him that's what makes him awesome
Ngl, I think a good character redesign should at least acknowledge previous iterations, which DOTM shockwave does plenty. The single eye, purple color (I think), cannon arm, and (supposed) tank alt mode, as multiple other versions have had, and all this together makes it obvious who this is
When shockwave gets knocked over by lugnut, no one says anything, but when he can’t get a parachute of his head while getting shot at, people laugh at him, it just doesn’t seem fair
These two situations aren't even REMOTELY comparable. Lugnut is like 3 times his size and obviously far stronger, no fucking shit he'd be able to knock him over but there's literally zero good reason why he wouldn't be able to just immediately tear the parachute right off his head, under enemy fire or not. Honestly this video has some of the most reaching, copium-riddled arguments I've ever seen and the only reason it's gotten such a positive reception is that I imagine not many people want to waste their time arguing with someone over a series that is the textbook definition of "Cinematic Junk Food".
@@dannyboi5887 It's so weird seeing all these Baywunners continuously defending the Bayverse movies when everyone knows these movies are dogshit outside of the action scenes. DOTM Shockwave having some master plan that doesn't actually exist outside of the average Baywunner fan headcanon just makes them come off as genuinely insane. These are the same people who dog on all the other shows and movies within the franchise and just can't learn to let go of the Bayverse 7 years after it got rebooted.
I've always thought this version of Shockwave had a banger design and an amazing death scene, but was lackluster otherwise. I can confidently say now that You have changed my mind on the whole lackluster bit! He's way cooler than I'd previously thought!
Def made some good points and you're absolutely right, Shockwave is awesome here and he inspires a lot of creative writing I do, but I do still wish he got at least one more scene somewhere in like a mini decepticon group shot, but that's just cause I personally enjoy seeing villains watch their plans become complete, like it'd be cool if we saw Shockwave watch the space bridge open in DC with Megatron and Starscream or something
Didnt know someone share the same sentiment as me for Shockwave. Everything about him is Cool AF, from the design to the entry into the screen, everything sadly you are correct about the little screen time.
As another shockwave fan and loving the character here is a free sub also thank you for showing me other care about him as much as I do have a good day
Frank Welker explaining that Cybertronian dialect is gibberish he made up on the spot makes a lot of sense if you consider the "Decepticons, mobilize" scene from the 2007 film has every Decepticon relay to each other that they're on the move, and their voices sound completely different to one another despite them all speaking the same language. And honestly? I kinda adore it. It reminds me of how in Japanese, speaking the same language different is labeled as having a different "accent" despite the fact you're all speaking the same language. People rag on these films but it's legitimately amazing how much depth they actually have.
This video is great. The only thing i would have added is a short segment on the ps3 transformers dotm prequel game because I'm pretty sure it was stated to be canon? Or if it was just a non canon way of explaining canon events like you said. Great video as always tho
Oh yeah totally understandable point to add, the only reason I didn't mention the games is that, again, I just didn't want to have to rely on tie-in media in order to make my points. Also the games contradict the comic events, as in the game, I don't think Megatron has ever met Shockwave until the end of the DotM game? And even then, not only would I have to analyze that game, but I'd have to analyze it's DS counterpart port, which is technically two games as there is an Auotbot campaign version and a Decepticon campaign version. And who knows how those differ. Basically it would have been alot of research I would have had to do just for me to disregard it anyway, so I just omitted it entirely. Would definitely go into it if I was to piece together a timeline for Shockwave though. In the meantime, thanks so much man, and thanks for watching as well!
Personally I remember feeling indifferent about him. I liked him and thought he was good but this does help make me like him more. The best way I can describe this video is turning on my rooms light showing all the love and dedication I have for the character. Safe to say you helped me appreciate my favourite character even more
Good point. Shockwave lacking screen time is normal for him. He only appears in season 3 of prime, his animated presence is a double agent, he only has a few episodes in Energon before dying, and being guardian of Cybertron automatically means he wouldn’t do much in G1 outside of contacting earth or dealing with anything that came to Cybertron. And yet, most of his scenes just make him excellent every time.
Actually Shockwave is the main villain for an episode of season two in TFP as well. Oh and also one of the secondary villains in Predacon’s Rising, a direct follow up to the TFP show.
I totally agree with you man. DOTM Shockwave is the best representation of Shockwave to date! Sure, he was thwarted by a parachute and most of his scenes were stolen by Driller, but the only reason for his death was Shockwaves ability to study and understand his enemy before he attacks. His lack of knowledge of the Human race and there weapons led to his failure, like that of so many other great Decepticons who did not have the proper time or research to study humanity. I intend to fix that with my new series, Rise of the Decepticons. My own reboot of the Bayverse following Dark of the moon, and scrapping AOE and Last Knight. If interested, check it out.
Your explanation doesn't rely on something other than your headcanon. "but the only reason for his death was Shockwaves ability to study and understand his enemy before he attacks" like... he had a brain this all time to understand his ennemies? Well ofc not because he's screentime was shit. For the entire movie this one eyed mf acts like a regular Decepticon it's insulting for Shockwave and not even Energon did that
@@Amperedz19245 Think about it, bro. He is on a planet he has never been on before, not only facing Autobots, but a large assortment of humans. How was he supposed to know they had parachutes? You have to think about these things with an open mind my guy, and not be a negative nancy.
As someone who always thought he looked dope as hell in the movies, this just makes me love him so much more. Soundwave will always be my fav transformers character though lol!!
The developers confirmed in the making of the game that it was a hard set prequel to the movie set briefly before it to explain certain details of the film.
Prime Shockwave was great. One of the most memorable additions to season three, imo, despite his limited screen time. His durability was inconsistent as hell though
The fact that they need to put a fatality or brutality on him just to kill him is incredibly bad ass. I just wish we sometimes would’ve gone at least a bit more screen time for also can’t wait for the re-issue of the studio series toy I missed out initially I’m waiting for it to come back.
I would say shockwave is my favourite decepticon too. I didn’t really have an issue with him to begin with but you just gave me more reasons to love him
I like it but its hard to tell apart from the other decepticons. Imagine they were all standing next to each other, facing away from the camera. Just a row of the same texture and silhouette
i already liked shockwvae in dark of the moon but now i know hes a f#cking genius also i really like the idea of the driller bot being his pet as it just shows how strong he is
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Shockwave but this DOTM design is my favorite, however you made a beautiful video on Shockwave's defense, and then tbh the little screen-time he has in the film is there, it was him to start the film, without him nothing would have happened, then the cannon in the in the right arm is the best, compared to the g1, it's a shame that it never transformed in the film but whatever
Thanks for the eye opening explanation! I was part of those who thought he was weak without thinking much of the context, just on what is told to us directly.
I already liked Shockwave quite a bit in DOTM (in fact, that film is the reason why Shockwave became my favorite decepticon) but, this video really made me appreciate him even more than I did before. Shockwave making the autobots think that he wanted to take the fuel cell by purposefully having Optimus cut off the driller arm holding it is such a cool way to view that scene, I have never thought of that before.
This video did change my perspective on this version of shockwave and i also wanna add I always assumed he spoke in his native language as like a dignity thing, he saw it is as below him to speak in a Lower races laungage but your interpretation also works
Shockwave was a great villain in this movie. The problem was that Bay lied to us about him being the lead villain in Dark of the Moon and instead made the main antagonist Sentinel Prime and I wonder why?
This video is pretty great. However, I would have Shockwave cameo in both the scenes in Africa and when Sentinel opens the portal in Washington. I will agree he was utilised well in the final battle. Also, I was colourblind to his Purple in the film initially.
I already said this before but: "actions speak louder than words" is a fitting description for this Shockwave.
"Clarity of thought before rashness of action."
I knew Shockwave's voice sounded familiar. That's how G1 Soundwave sounded without the notes.
@@neometallXthat line goes hard ngl
Bro. Your defense for his characterization completely flipped my perception for this Shockwave. His plan of pretending to steal the fuel cell so the Autobots and NEST are pressured to go get Sentinel, UNKNOWINGLY doing EXACTLY what the Decepticons want...
That just genuinely made me stop for a moment to hold my head in my hands over how BRILLIANT that was.
A plan so masterminded you'd accidentally call it a plothole.
Nuh uh@@samurexatlas7373
Tbh, i always thought that was the case.
Someone figured that, since sentinel was out of commission, they needed the matrix to revive him. So, they let the autobots grab him, just letting them know he was there.
@@samurexatlas7373true
@@deltaknight2764 they talked about this plan in the tf3 Xbox game after Optimus defeats shockwave in the final boss battle
It’d be pretty cool to see shockwave as the main villain in dark of the moon
Holy shit yes
Didn't i see you on that one man in the suit video?
@@yourlocaltapeworm yes you are correct again
I can imagine him saying the “we were gods once” line
That would be so badass
@@nickthebabba7767 fr dude
His design was sick. Sick as hell.
Honestly! Though I'd like it if there was some purple implemented on his design
Wtf is that pfp
@@BIG_MAN_99 he is literally purple..
Rude dude 😑
@@Pythix-zu5gf I meant in the bayverse design
Fun fact: In the animatics for the movie, Optimus spares shockwave and just leaves him struggling in the ground.
Damn.
Bro slaughtered all the minion Decepticons and then spared the final boss 💀
@@Aurelius1239 last of us 2
Which supports the Empurata theory.
Man imagine if he then became the main villain of Age of Extinction, would've been awesome
Also it shows that shockwave is possibly Megatrons most trusted ally by trusting him to wipe out the autobots without his assistance.
Isn't Megatron actually afraid of Shockwave canonically? I don't know if this applies to the Michael Bay movies.
@@friendlyreaper9012 I think soundwave is megatrons most trusted. Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t he been Decepticon leader multiple times?
@@tunatunafishie Your correct, Soundwave is the most loyal (and trusted) ally of Megatron. While I don't think Soundwave has ever really been leader of the decepticons, he will vehemently defend the position of leader of decepticons against any other decepticons until Megatron returns
@@tunatunafishieThat is correct, Soundwave has been the Decepticon leader a few times
@@elkefransisca3747Soundwave has been Decepticon leader a couple of times
People really underestimate how smart Megatron and Shockwave were in the bayverse.
Yeah like...
I think Megatron is even smarter than Optimus in the Bayverse,he literally could manipulate Sentinel
@@unapessoa4875 and then Sentinel ends up taking all the power from Megatron. And then a human manipulated Megatron into attacking Sentinel, which then leads to Megatron getting effortlessly killed by Optimus.
@@chadpeterson5698 Bro, Megatron was risking everything for the deal, so he couldn't defend himself, what could he do without any problems since it was said that he wasn't weakened
And another thing, Megatron only decided to risk everything to kill Sentinel because the guy would lose his job.
And another thing..., the ending was changed, because even Michael Bay himself indirectly showed that that ending and the other 2 film shouldn't even exist
@@unapessoa4875Megatron could have waited to kill Sentinel until after Sentinel had already killed Optimus since in the movie version it’s shown that Megatron’s desire for a truce was phony. While in early drafts Megatron did legitimately want to redeem himself, that’s not what counts here. Plus most of what you said kinda backs up what I said. Sentinel took all the power from Megatron by means of taking advantage of their alliance and hijacking control over the decepticons. It’s the reason Megatron turns on Sentinel because he realized that Sentinel tricked him.
@@chadpeterson5698your speaking facts
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*SHOCKWAVE OBVIOUSLY's gonna struggle to take the parachute off his face when said parachute is being constantly tangled by the soldier wearing it & while also he's being MASSIVELY riddled by god knows how many shoters, & yet he manages to get out & the only one who were able to Finally take him down was OPTIMUS HIMSELF*
Also, can you imagine how many times that parachute got caught in his complex ass design?
I'm surprised he didn't just rip it apart from his spiky ass body constantly catching it.
He also might of not known what the heck it was too. Put ur self in his shoes,
Ur fighting and a white thing falls on u and u can't see.
Yeah but if you remember from just a few minutes ago shockwave literally shrugged off the destroyers' bigger gatling gun rounds AND CONTINUE WALKING FORWARD. I don't think he'd have any trouble against the human's tiny and comparably weaker assault rifle rounds.
@@blazingjuggernaut4422 he wasn't getting shot on all sides and plus the wreckers also jumped in to help too so yes they could hurt him our guns can hurt and kill them if he hadn't gotten outta there he would've died
This.... Y'all Stans go to great lengths to run defense and glaze on these movies
something people don't talk about this Shockwave design is how his mouth looks like a spider's mouth, most of his design and voicelines are made to make him look inhumane, contrary to most Transformers who have faces, hell, Optimus fucking looks like a human, shockwave looks like an alien, like a weapon
Funnily enough, it matches his G1 self pretty well.
Shockwave doesn't have a face. He has only one arm. His alt mode is literally a giant weapon.
Shockwave is more of a machine than a human. Hell, more of a machine than a _transformer._
So this...mutation to a strictly inhuman(e) creature is very welcome indeed
And despite þat, he's still very conscious of Driller-Bot's healþ, especially in þe comics, which pretty much show he love it wiþ a passion.
@@dextreme7186 thorn user? ain't no way
@callmefleet I use þ when I have an on-screen keyboard and don't when we're isn't one. But, yes I use Þþ opposed to Thth
@@dextreme7186I ain't gonna lie, dawg, for a good second I thought I'm having a stroke
Shockwave is my favorite war criminal.
Hes got nothing on Optimus Prime's list
@@frederickyin4422 true
@@frederickyin4422????
There are war criminals there is Satan but then there's shockwave.
@@frederickyin4422 you really dont know shockwave's war crimes. there's a video you should watch, "There's Satan. And there's Shockwave.", something like that
i think the lack of screentime adds to this boogeyman effect, that nobody really knows who shockwave is and what hes always planning. Makes him more mysterious which contrasts his drillerbot that is wreckless.
Exactly. I compare it to Godzilla 2014. Not much screen time but DAMN he has a presence
Yeah he is planning to get dismembered by Optimus. He is a red herring for sentinel, that is all.
Yeah no, his lack of appearence before the chicago fight is a fair argument, but after that it's still bad, he should've had more screen time of him attacking and fighting the autobots, and he shouldn't get killed by a parachute
@@luxuriouswatera9532 I don't wanna be rude but you didn't watch the entirety of this video have you lol.
That’s one way to view it, for me I always make a joke when he finally makes his second appearance in the 3rd act to my buddy saying oh shit I almost forgot he was in this movie haven’t seen him since the start 🤣🤣🤣, I come to transformers movies for the bots plus I didn’t appreciate being lied to by bay during the production constantly, ( ie: soundwave and shockwave, heck didn’t they even try not to reveal that the truck was megatron at first?)
Also tie-in comics made him absolute terror. No wonder Optimus went hard on him every time he saw him.
If only they an actually tell us, why Optimus killed him so, and not just "Read comics, so you will understand"
@@illyanesterenko8930 There was a tie in game that shows how nasty he was. He was slaughtering Autobot waves effortlessly.
In this film, Shockwave is as powerful as Megatron in the first film, just emotionless.
@@shauntempley9757 Oh yeah, but why nothing of it was showed IN THE FRICKIN MOVIE?! Why I have to play, to see how cool Shockwave was in the games, while in the movie he was nothing.
@@illyanesterenko8930you don’t understand anything and clearly didn’t watch the video or movie
@@Ohmannn25 oh, I watched the movie, of course I did watch. Why would I even type this comment if I didn't watch the movie?
I love how shockwave, only being able to see probably the worst GoPro footage ever, almost hits Optimus with a potentially fatal shot.
17:33
Starscream: “Lord Megatron, shouldn't we be doing more than just sitting around in this place?”
Megatron: “Nah, let Shockwave cook.”
Starscream: “🤨🤔 *nods in agreement* ”
can we agree that Shockwave is a better deceiver than Quintessa?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yesssss
Especially idw shock wave. Dude was literally behind everything
@@_aWiseMan It blew my mind when he was disguised as one of the 13 primes (won't spoil who he pretended to be here) to fufill his agenda. I wish we explore more of Shockwave. He has a lot of potential to be more versatile, as a villain, than he actually is.
A note on TF Prime's Shockwave and why I think he is really tough and not easy to take down:
In his debut episode and throughout the rest of the series, Shockwave no sells fire power from the autobot canons regularly, most of the time not even flinching. He ragdolls Cliffjumper, takes him down with a single blast that doesn't even hit him head on, only explodes at his feet. Shockwave only takes damage when Arcree shoots him directly in the eye, blinding him, and even then, Shockwave stays on his feet and keeps firing until the space bridge explodes with him still inside it.
Shockwave survives being at ground 0 of a space bridge explosion and remains functional enough to repair himself, even though he's blind too now. A similar space bridge explosion would later leave Megatron, who was also juiced up on Dark Energon, in a coma for half of a season. Megatron would have died if it he hadn't gotten treatment.
When Shockwave comes back in season 3, he jumps off of a mountain-height tower and slams into the ground hard enough to raise a massive dust cloud and seems completely unphased.
He takes Wheeljack and Bulkhead, two wreckers with immense durability and combat experience, down with a single shot of his canon. Later, he takes both of them on in a close quarters fight and dominates for the most part.
Shockwave takes on Ultra Magnus, a highly renowned combatant, in a close quarters fight, and while it's clear he is outmatched in terms of skill, he takes numerous blows from the larger bot without going down and catches a couple of his blows with his hand.
Shockwave ragdolls Smokescreen and Bumblebee, the only times they manage to knock him down are when they take him by surprize and blindside him.
Shockwave survives a mauling from a horde of undread predacons without bleeding one bit.
The one weird part is him going down to a punch from Bumblebee, but it was directly to the eye, which could be his weak spot. And he gets up right after anyway.
So while I do agree that movie Shockwave is much tougher than people give him credit for, I do think putting TF Prime Shockwave as an example of a Shockwave that goes down easily is doing him a bit dirty.
Very true, I honestly never even thought about the space bridge explosion effects before.
I didn't mean to imply that TFP Shockwave was weak, because he absolutely isn't, I just meant to say there where times he'd go down easily for a breif moment or so despite his strengths, though the guy would always get back up and continue the fight.
@@Blotzwave Yeah, that's fair (:
@@Blotzwave I am happy to see that there’s also a shockwave fan
Ya TFPrime Shockwave was a problem in basically every encounter
Two things you forgot to mention, TFP Megatron only clung on to dear life because of the dark energon, Shockwave didn't require that and before being knocked down by Bumblebee, he took down both Ratchet and Smokescreen, the latter was holding the Star Saber so he still did his part and then some despite the small role in the final episode
As a Shockwave fan myself, I do see your points. I think you've changed my mind, but I've had a DotM Shockwave figure for a while now anyway.
Just wanted to mention: If you've played the DotM game (which may or may not be canon) it is a prequel to the movie and it shows that Shockwave was frozen. Megatron thawed him out in the prequel and there's a big final boss fight with Shockwave and his driller. That game was part of the reason I'm more willing to accept the Bayverse Shockwave.
Unlocking and dominating as him in multiplayer was such a good time. I always found it strange he had no alt mode in the game despite the toy having one.
I'm pretty sure the DotM game is canon
38:49 The DOTM video game actually tells us what Shockwave was doing all of those years: He was frozen just like Megatron was in the 1st movie! From what I recall (i have not played it in a bit), Shockwave was frozen by the Soviets / Russians, and in the video game, we play as Megatron activating the thaw process to free shockwave, and then we play as Optimus not long after to face Shockwave head on in an epic fight before Shockwave eventually retreats.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened and this game was confirmed as a canon prequel to the movie set very soon before it begins.
That’s fucking epic. I’ll need to get a copy of that game lol
@@Green_The_Gamer I highly recommend it. It plays very similarly to War For Cybertron, since it was made by High Moon., so you know you'll be in for a good experience.
@@dravensanders6157 It's not canon
@@Richtofen-gy9cj while its not in continuity with the films, the backstory that states that shockwave was frozen was used for pretty much ALL tie in media for DOTM despite the fact literally none of it is connected to the game, kinda implying that is meant to be his canon backstory
Mf, not even Michael Bay realized Shockwave’s plan. That’s how good at planning he is
This video was quite…
LOGICAL
On a side note; I think elements of the Bayverse films should be incorporated into other Transformers media, like, give Shockwave a pet Drill-worm, give Sideswipe some wheel-feet, give the Constructicons unique designs, etc
@@monolophosaurus gotta have the ball bot/ crane added
People always complain how the Bay movies have designs that you can't recognize compared to their original versions, but with Shockwave it's pretty damn obvious who he's supposed to be. I love his design and overall presence in the movie. His eye being much bigger than his original design is also creepy as hell
THIS. My main problem when it comes to bayverse designs is that 90% of they don't follow the same design philosophy Shockwave and Optimus do. New and unique, but instantly recognizable as who they're supposed to be.
@@SNDWV99 Unicron trilogy Red alert, tfp arcee, animated prowl, armada megatron, tfp soundwave and starscream, rotb scourge and battletrap, bb dropkick. These designs are unique and still looks good yet does not match the original. Do not give the "G1 started it" G1 was made just to sell toys, comic and merchandise you are saying that because it came first.
Example bayverse blackout and barricade both designs override their original design no one is going to look at the micromaster and think that's them, Blackout design came into animated and tfp comics while barricade design is literally so popular that newer design took it as inspiration, wfc trilogy barricade, wfc game which took his black colour schemes, and animated guidebook which also made barricade a cop.
Transformers design is always changin so why does only bayverse get flaked upon this was a trend back at the time with unicron trilogy, animated and prime.
Also bulkhead from energon was a helicopter junkie while from animated he is big, lovable guy which prime took inspiration from his design and put him in.
Tfp starscream who looks nothing like his g1 counterpart yet acts like him his a traitorus con in the first 2 seasons.
Tfp soundwave looks like nothing and yet he acts like soundwave, loyal to megatron, eyes and ears of the decepticons and spy on his enemies.
Armada starscream look little bit accurate as he has no blue but only red and white and yet he's different he is loyal to him and only betrays when he is mistreated and decided to join the autobots and died to make two faction to join alliance to stop unicron.
Tfa ratchet looks accurate and he acts like a grumpy guy with ptsd while his g1 counterpart is overall a nice doc.
Que looks nothing like wheeljack and yet he acts like wheeljack as he creates weapon for his teammates, while tfp captured his coolness and wrecklessness.
Bays ironhide looks like a grizzly tough guy which his original counterpart was depicted and he acted like that, while his tfa counterpart who looks like the og but doesn't act like him.
Bays Bumblebee is so iconic to the point that many shows depict him with this design, tfp, cyberverse, earthspark and rid2015 with different head and even with the reebot unicerse, it's iconic to the point that bumblebee is a car with yellow colour and black stripes.
Bays crosshair while looks nothing like his og counter part and yet he recieved lots of new toys of aoe and tlk. Edit: and probably is iconic at some point.
Another one is Bays constructicon they look nothing like their ogs and yet they still looks good with the exception of maybe hightower.
Another one bays soundwave despite his design he acted like soundwave in rotf, he gathered intel where megatron was dropped and send ravage to get the shard and later sends a team of constructicons to revive him, he later calls the cons to earth after primes death, he later tracked sam in egypt, in dotm soundwave acted as carly's car, which no one suspected until after he gathered intel he revealed himself like in g1 where spike found a small cassete and took it where soundwave gathered intel and later revealed himselft. What did bb soundwave do commanded the cons and ejected ravage, that's all he did, while future movies will come we will see and maybe i will change my opinion on him.
It doesn't matter if they look the same everyone grows with their own show or movies but acting like every design should be the same will slowly become bland, if the designs look like they fit the character and acts like what it looks like it's good.
Another example tfp megatron mixture of g1 and bayverse and i will argue that he looks more threatining than his g1 counterpart as he doesn't give the leader of the decepticons vibe than tfp or tfa.
Bays megatron while he was a lacky after 2007 he planned the operation to retrieve sentinel, he fooled the humans and wait patiently when they were making galvatron and later took over it's body like tfa.
BB dropkick does not like his orignial and yet he's my fav design while scourge and battletrap who looks nothing like their og and yet still looks good, i get the criticism on aoe and tlk as we cannot see the car kibble but complaining that they should like their g1 counterpart is at this point is overated.
I get you want traditional characters look like their traditional characters but this make transformers unique, characters in different continuity looks different than their original counterparts and yet still looks unique and fresh, this is the beauty of transformers.
@mohammadhossain9608 The problem with everything you just said is character recognition. Not to us fans, but to the general audience. Let me ask you a question: do you have a problem with Spider-Man always looking like Spider-Man? Or Batman always looking like Batman? Not talking about the one off suits like the Big Time or Zebra suits. The main costume in every show and movie. I'm assuming no, because those characters are so iconic and well recognized that even a 70 year old in a place with no internet knows who they are. Why can't Soundwave have that same treatment? Or Red-Alert? ESPECIALLY Megatron. That's what Hasbro's goal is with the evergreen designs. THIS is what our characters look like. You can tweak them to fit the new style of whatever new project you're working on, but they NEED to resemble THIS.
Also, the whole "G1 was just an advertisement for toys" argument is incredibly misguided. Every piece of Transformers media is a toy commercial. Even bayverse. They got rid of the integrated weapons of the first two films so they could market the new Mechtech gimmick for the toys.
If the franchise ever wants to have any staying power in the public consciousness, it needs to have recognizable characters as well as good stories.
@@SNDWV99 I agree with some parts of the arguement that characters being recognizible, firstly that legacy character should be mostly recognizable like, Optimus prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Shockwave, Soundwave, Ironhide, Ratchet, Ultra magnus, Galvatron etc.
Optimus: red and blue colour scheme
Megatron: grey colour scheme with canons like tfp or g1 or retractable like bays
Starscream: The plane cockpit should be on his chest (Idk about his colour scheme as he is a military earth jet which is mostly grey however if he revealed himself to the humans then he could paint job himself to be prideful)
Shockwave: one eye, purple colour scheme and hand gun
Soundwave blue and gold colour scheme, with face mask and visor( though i like bay's soundwave design, but it was silver due to make a revealation that he is carly's car to shock the audience)
Bumblebee: yellow colour scheme with black stripes
Ironhide: Red, black, canons like his tfp counterpart
ratchet: depends if he's an ambulance then red and white however if he's an emergency vehicle then maybe green
Ultra magnus: red, blue, and white or mostly blue and slight red like his tfp counterpart
Galvatron: purple colur scheme with grey or colour scheme like his angry birds counterpart and orange canon
Though characters like barricade, blackout, crosshairs, knockout, strongarm, and shadow striker who were forgotten characters literally had a redesign which we all recognize them as now (Barricade: cop car, blackout: helicopter, crosshairs: green sports car, strongarm: female cop, shadow striker: a bot damage to the point that after being rebuilt she looks like frankestein) these characters are forgotten but later were remembered as what they are now. Though design with some tweaks work like optimus with flames, bumblebee's stealth form, megatron's upgraded colour scheme (night stalker, dark energon redecos). There are also some artist like shan4rt and maxeralfa07 who mixes animated, g1 and bayverse to make unique redesign. But I agree with the points you made easily recognizable characters but with some few tweaks i agree with points, but i feel like hasbro should mix up design which create new, recognizable and unique design like armada optimus who had red and blue colour, with some tweaks like his truck grill being the body and smoke stacks on his forearms but still recognizable not flat up g1 with mechanical design, this is why i loved rotb arcee she resembles her g1 counterpart like the head, visor but had a different colour.
@mohammadhossain9608 I don't disagree. Barricade and Blackout are two of my favorite character designs, with Barricade being one of my favorite characters. None of that is due to the original micromaster. No-name characters like that can be revamped and reworked due to their obscurity. I just don't want every character except Optimus and Bumblebee to be treated that way.
Fun fact: Shockwave doesn't speak English or anything else because he hates humans and because of that he doesn't want to speak a language that humans invented
I dont feel like that would really be the case. he made the dino bots from observations of earth. hes a scientist war criminal. curiosity is in his nature and his emotion's were wiped so he can actually hate. he realized how much time he was wasting because his emotions would get in the way. he could of given himself his emotions back or given himself his arm back. but he chooses not to. it would be illogical to get rid of such an asset that wouldn't require him to have to transform into a vehicle. he has no emotions which lets him see his purpose more clearly and he wouldnt want it any other way.
The BEST Bayverse design. I don't wanna hear otherwise.
@@ThatDamnGato imangine how he would look if he were to be in lastknight
I would counter this claim with Sideswipe.
Amazing work my guy, love this type of content 👏
Coming from you, that means a lot. Thanks so much man!
Ay! Theorymus is here! Hi
Theorymus commenting and yet it one of the least popular comments here, something is wrong....
“Female autobots? I thought they were extinct.” -HIMwave
Shockwave in dark of moon design is really cool
Truth
Fun fact: a model of DOTM Shockwave can be found in the files of Genshin Impact
I heard deleting the model can crash the game.
@@dedarhossain8278 True someone did that and it crashed
source: Someone from the transformers memes subreddit did that and it happened.
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK LMAOOOOOO.
Really?
@@dedarhossain8278 That's a low bearing Shockwave, there.
I’m…impressed with how informed your opinion is on this iteration of Shockwave.
I always thought they did him dirty in this movie, but after watching this video…my perspective on him has somewhat changed. Well done.
I still think he should have gotten more screen time, but I suppose less is more in his case.
Great job 👏🏼
Shockwave really won me over during his defeat. LITERALLY EVERYONE vs one bad guy is among my favorite combat tropes. Even Megs had one in the first movie, and then all that effort was just to slow him down from getting the Allspark.
A headcanon I got is not only does he choose to not transform, but actually removed his ability to in order to add more armor and firepower. With the driller covering transport, the only real advantage to having a tank mode would be a somewhat smaller target from certain angles, and he'd have a little more protection around his head, both at the cost of maneuverability and reflexes.
So, I once thought he was pretty good...Congrats, you've absolutely changed my mind. 😎🎉
Shockwave left such a massive impression for so little screen time, I honestly feel like he should’ve had his own side film. He should’ve been the main villian of Bumblebee.
The fact that you point out one of the most overlooked argument by the majority of transformers soys regarding bots screentime to cgi budget ratio gives me hope about humanity again. Well done boss... Well done.
Shockwave's ploy was so insidious and subtle that he even fooled the audience as well. Truly a master planner indeed
So well hidden and connived that it's almost like it didn't exist lmfao.
@@Uguguabbabaa and that's how you know these movies had masterful writing
@@callmefleet masterful writing is a huuuge stretch.
@@kinoman4875 sorry I forgot to write /s
I always like DOTM Shockwave, but I was upset by the way he dies in the film, and this video solved that problem for me, and showed me that Shockwave was even smarter then I thought he was in this film, amazing video man, 11/10, keep up the great work!
I found Funny how Both Shockwave's VA in the Bayverae were previoulsy Megatron aswell
-Daniel Riordan, his voice in the 2007 Game, played Predacon Megs in RID 2001
-Fred Tatasciore, his voice in the DOTM game ALSO played Megatron in that game & in Fall of Cybertron
-& Of course, Frank Welker, his voice in DOTM, I think he doesn't really need me to present him 😊
cool
I do agree that the design is cool, and you do raise some good points about Shockwave in terms of his character.
However, despite that, I do think there are some things they they could have done better
1. Let Shockwave kill some onscreen people. They don’t have to be any major characters, just let him kill some background characters, and maybe 1 or 2 of the wreckers as well. If he has an onscreen kill count, then he’s seen as more credible if he actually kills someone rather than having no kills under his belt when even Blackout has killed more people
2. I would have made his fight with Optimus a little bit longer. Mainly have him successfully put his eye back in his socket and react just in time to engage in a hand to hand combat engagement with Optimus, he’d still lose because plot armor, but at least his last stand would be seen as more epic rather than giving the fans the impression that he’s weak.
3. Rather than him simply getting Optimus tangled up in cables, he actually manages to get a good enough hit in to the point that Optimus’s jet pack is actually disabled and Optimus himself is knocked out for a moment.
Oh and also the second line you say that he speaks is not actually English, but a bunch of gibberish that gets accidentally misinterpreted as English in the subtitles.
35:32. Shockwave was like I didn’t hear no bell
This is my favorite shockwave design. I like that shockwave look like a skeletal insect made form sharpe metal. And it look very close to gen1 shockwave well still being different enough.
Dude, this perfectly describes the impact that shockwave had on the film with that being a secondary villain and also goes to show how absolutely strong the character is in this iteration with him taking on multiple attacks from both the autobots and humans, this video does the con a lot of justice
Shockwave is literally the best character in the whole franchise and no one can change my mind.
I love How he Loved the Dark of the Moon Shockwave So much That He Even Use His Head As He's Channel Logo And Even Name Himself After Him
Man Shockwave looked like he hit the gym and it’s a design I really fuck’n like because it looks badass
Shockwave in Dark of the Moon takes basically all the nest soldiers, the wreckers, and Optimus Prime to finally bring down Shockwave in Transformers Prime get distracted by a shiny sword and gets knocked out with one punch from bumblebee of all people
Edit: don't get me wrong Bumblebee in Prime definitely have them hands but he's not the strongest character and I'm mainly just focusing on how it's a bad showing for Shockwave and side note that's kind of the whole point of bumblebees character he's supposed to be this weakish character who is capable of bringing down characters who are much stronger than him that's what makes him awesome
Bumblebee was pretty strong in Prime though
You really gonna ignore all his other feats in that show?
damn cherrypicking at its finest lmao
@@ThaBababoey nah i've watched the show fully like 3 or 4 times and he's kinda right, that was a dumb moment
i saw a video that adds subtitles to him talking, now whenever he shoots Optimus while he's up on the crane i can never unhear him yelling "Dummkopf!"
Shockwave’s an absolute unit
Ngl, I think a good character redesign should at least acknowledge previous iterations, which DOTM shockwave does plenty. The single eye, purple color (I think), cannon arm, and (supposed) tank alt mode, as multiple other versions have had, and all this together makes it obvious who this is
i find amazing how convincing you made this from just 2 min of screentime, props to you sir
When shockwave gets knocked over by lugnut, no one says anything, but when he can’t get a parachute of his head while getting shot at, people laugh at him, it just doesn’t seem fair
Lugnut is a pretty big guy though so there wouldn't be much issue in believing that.
These two situations aren't even REMOTELY comparable. Lugnut is like 3 times his size and obviously far stronger, no fucking shit he'd be able to knock him over but there's literally zero good reason why he wouldn't be able to just immediately tear the parachute right off his head, under enemy fire or not.
Honestly this video has some of the most reaching, copium-riddled arguments I've ever seen and the only reason it's gotten such a positive reception is that I imagine not many people want to waste their time arguing with someone over a series that is the textbook definition of "Cinematic Junk Food".
@@dannyboi5887 1: That comment wasn’t meant to be serious it was just a joke
2: 😐 Ok
@@dannyboi5887 It's so weird seeing all these Baywunners continuously defending the Bayverse movies when everyone knows these movies are dogshit outside of the action scenes. DOTM Shockwave having some master plan that doesn't actually exist outside of the average Baywunner fan headcanon just makes them come off as genuinely insane. These are the same people who dog on all the other shows and movies within the franchise and just can't learn to let go of the Bayverse 7 years after it got rebooted.
You didn't change my mind he's already the coolest decipticon we've seen so far
Shockwave will always be FOCKING AWESOME!!
You got me. I’m a convert. You also just made me appreciate DotM’s plot so much more
I've always thought this version of Shockwave had a banger design and an amazing death scene, but was lackluster otherwise. I can confidently say now that You have changed my mind on the whole lackluster bit! He's way cooler than I'd previously thought!
Maybe u might do a powerscaling video on him?
@@demolishingtank8853 I'd love to if there's any interest
The artists actually started cooking with shockwave's design in this one
Def made some good points and you're absolutely right, Shockwave is awesome here and he inspires a lot of creative writing I do, but I do still wish he got at least one more scene somewhere in like a mini decepticon group shot, but that's just cause I personally enjoy seeing villains watch their plans become complete, like it'd be cool if we saw Shockwave watch the space bridge open in DC with Megatron and Starscream or something
Didnt know someone share the same sentiment as me for Shockwave. Everything about him is Cool AF, from the design to the entry into the screen, everything sadly you are correct about the little screen time.
Shockwave is a character that lets his aura do the talking, no screen time needed
As another shockwave fan and loving the character here is a free sub also thank you for showing me other care about him as much as I do have a good day
Frank Welker explaining that Cybertronian dialect is gibberish he made up on the spot makes a lot of sense if you consider the "Decepticons, mobilize" scene from the 2007 film has every Decepticon relay to each other that they're on the move, and their voices sound completely different to one another despite them all speaking the same language.
And honestly? I kinda adore it. It reminds me of how in Japanese, speaking the same language different is labeled as having a different "accent" despite the fact you're all speaking the same language.
People rag on these films but it's legitimately amazing how much depth they actually have.
Notice how his mouth is more crab, bug, or crustacean like.
I was on the fence about Shockwave in DOTM until I saw this, but this video made me realise how *awesome* this Shockwave is
I always thought that Shockwave was cool, but now he's even cooler
This video is great. The only thing i would have added is a short segment on the ps3 transformers dotm prequel game because I'm pretty sure it was stated to be canon? Or if it was just a non canon way of explaining canon events like you said.
Great video as always tho
Oh yeah totally understandable point to add, the only reason I didn't mention the games is that, again, I just didn't want to have to rely on tie-in media in order to make my points.
Also the games contradict the comic events, as in the game, I don't think Megatron has ever met Shockwave until the end of the DotM game?
And even then, not only would I have to analyze that game, but I'd have to analyze it's DS counterpart port, which is technically two games as there is an Auotbot campaign version and a Decepticon campaign version.
And who knows how those differ.
Basically it would have been alot of research I would have had to do just for me to disregard it anyway, so I just omitted it entirely.
Would definitely go into it if I was to piece together a timeline for Shockwave though.
In the meantime, thanks so much man, and thanks for watching as well!
@@Blotzwavecould you do a Shockwave in the bayverse timeline ?
Personally I remember feeling indifferent about him. I liked him and thought he was good but this does help make me like him more. The best way I can describe this video is turning on my rooms light showing all the love and dedication I have for the character. Safe to say you helped me appreciate my favourite character even more
Good point. Shockwave lacking screen time is normal for him. He only appears in season 3 of prime, his animated presence is a double agent, he only has a few episodes in Energon before dying, and being guardian of Cybertron automatically means he wouldn’t do much in G1 outside of contacting earth or dealing with anything that came to Cybertron. And yet, most of his scenes just make him excellent every time.
Actually Shockwave is the main villain for an episode of season two in TFP as well. Oh and also one of the secondary villains in Predacon’s Rising, a direct follow up to the TFP show.
7:29 Linda-058 Argus Redesign in Halo 5 & Halo Fall Of Reach:
*OH, I DON'T THINK*
I totally agree with you man. DOTM Shockwave is the best representation of Shockwave to date! Sure, he was thwarted by a parachute and most of his scenes were stolen by Driller, but the only reason for his death was Shockwaves ability to study and understand his enemy before he attacks. His lack of knowledge of the Human race and there weapons led to his failure, like that of so many other great Decepticons who did not have the proper time or research to study humanity. I intend to fix that with my new series, Rise of the Decepticons. My own reboot of the Bayverse following Dark of the moon, and scrapping AOE and Last Knight. If interested, check it out.
Your explanation doesn't rely on something other than your headcanon. "but the only reason for his death was Shockwaves ability to study and understand his enemy before he attacks" like... he had a brain this all time to understand his ennemies? Well ofc not because he's screentime was shit. For the entire movie this one eyed mf acts like a regular Decepticon it's insulting for Shockwave and not even Energon did that
@@Amperedz19245 Think about it, bro. He is on a planet he has never been on before, not only facing Autobots, but a large assortment of humans. How was he supposed to know they had parachutes? You have to think about these things with an open mind my guy, and not be a negative nancy.
@@Soundwave880stopmotions agreed dude, people need to take a chill pill
I never disliked Bayverse Shockwave but you made me apricate him a lot more.
As someone who always thought he looked dope as hell in the movies, this just makes me love him so much more. Soundwave will always be my fav transformers character though lol!!
Dark of the Moon is the best of the franchise, and seeing it in 3D will never get old
This is such a well made video, put it up with Theorymus' why Megatron got weaker video. Great job dude!
ALSO him acting "brutish" might ALSO be a trick: to get humans to underestimate his intelligence
The dotm video game states that shock wave is a “decepticon assassin” which was supposed to be some what of a prequel to the movie.
The developers confirmed in the making of the game that it was a hard set prequel to the movie set briefly before it to explain certain details of the film.
True, but why *_just_* be an assassin? When you can be a logic bound scientist *and assassin!*
@@dextreme7186 Did your read my mind?
Dude! I never thought of Shockwave as anymore more than a cameo in "Dark of the Moon". You fully convinced me.
Prime Shockwave was great. One of the most memorable additions to season three, imo, despite his limited screen time. His durability was inconsistent as hell though
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shockwave was a whole ass boss fight and he should have had a bit longer screen time tho
The fact that they need to put a fatality or brutality on him just to kill him is incredibly bad ass. I just wish we sometimes would’ve gone at least a bit more screen time for also can’t wait for the re-issue of the studio series toy I missed out initially I’m waiting for it to come back.
bro did 45 min video about guy that have 2 min screen time, thats impresive
I would say shockwave is my favourite decepticon too. I didn’t really have an issue with him to begin with but you just gave me more reasons to love him
Unpopular Opinion: Bayformers Shockwave design is a lot better and superior than the G1 design. I said what I said
i completely agree with you good sir
I like it but its hard to tell apart from the other decepticons. Imagine they were all standing next to each other, facing away from the camera. Just a row of the same texture and silhouette
@@bingbong_luver not bad for me, I have no issue with it
@@bingbong_luver He has purple to identify him but due to the dust we can't see it but still true.
Seconded.
Shockwave was such a badass looking transformer, wish we got more screentime with him
You win, you win, you have flipped my preception of Shockwave 180°, i now hold him on the same level as Bonecrusher and Brawl from the 2007 movie.
Bro been posting nothing but bangers lately and I’m all here for it
Bayverse shockwave: literally demon
Transformers g1 and other shows: BOOBS
Awesome video. Seriously helped me appreciate Dark of the Moon even more. Definitely made me appreciate Shockwave a lot more.
Your transition to this topic of shockwave to that topic of shockwave was way to cool man
This is a really great video ngl. I’ve now definitely gained a newfound appreciation for this version of Shockwave.
19:15 I always saw them as Tentacle Blades
That's actually a much better way to put it.
i already liked shockwvae in dark of the moon but now i know hes a f#cking genius
also i really like the idea of the driller bot being his pet as it just shows how strong he is
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Shockwave but this DOTM design is my favorite, however you made a beautiful video on Shockwave's defense, and then tbh the little screen-time he has in the film is there, it was him to start the film, without him nothing would have happened, then the cannon in the in the right arm is the best, compared to the g1, it's a shame that it never transformed in the film but whatever
Thanks for the eye opening explanation! I was part of those who thought he was weak without thinking much of the context, just on what is told to us directly.
that was actually one of the best videos I've seen in quite a while
We are in for a good time when the first thing we are served is grilled cheese
I never had a favorite in the live action transformer movies...but now I do
I already liked Shockwave quite a bit in DOTM (in fact, that film is the reason why Shockwave became my favorite decepticon) but, this video really made me appreciate him even more than I did before. Shockwave making the autobots think that he wanted to take the fuel cell by purposefully having Optimus cut off the driller arm holding it is such a cool way to view that scene, I have never thought of that before.
Transformers : Dark of the moon even had 3 oscar nominations....
That movie & transformers 1 2007 are masterpieces.....
This video did change my perspective on this version of shockwave and i also wanna add I always assumed he spoke in his native language as like a dignity thing, he saw it is as below him to speak in a Lower races laungage but your interpretation also works
Shockwave's toy was really fun to play with. His geometry felt cool and the movement/poses were very dynamic
Shockwave was a great villain in this movie. The problem was that Bay lied to us about him being the lead villain in Dark of the Moon and instead made the main antagonist Sentinel Prime and I wonder why?
honestly i didnt mind the look, i feel shockwave looks intimidating i never bothered to notice he had his arm cannon switched from left to right
This video is pretty great. However, I would have Shockwave cameo in both the scenes in Africa and when Sentinel opens the portal in Washington. I will agree he was utilised well in the final battle. Also, I was colourblind to his Purple in the film initially.
@@yonderjam The DOTM game has a cameo of him with Megatron and Soundwave in Africa I believe. He's also noticeably bigger than Megatron.