I thought the same thing. Him waltzing into the UN and saying "hey, i know whats best and i am acting on that notion, everyonewill ceasefire or i will intervein" was one of the first things in year one (end of the second issue if anyone wants the exact place to find it) and it was made pretty clear that was a bad thing
CycloneShadow i swear i heard before he was supposed to be the riddler but in their infinite wisdom of rushing it, they changed the character to lex because... because... because riddler is too ridiculous? Lex is daark and very gritty? The energizer bunny is pink? Who knows
Superman: takes himself as the highest form of authority on Earth and ridding nuclear missiles. Any other story like this would have Batman running in to punch him.
I love how Linkara gives Superman and Clark Kent slightly different voices so as to show how Superman does make an effort to hide his identity with more than just a pair of glasses, and yet with Batman and Bruce Wayne he just gives both the "gargling marbles" voice.
15:18 So basically, the elders are telling Superman to leaves so that Earth will be "over there" because over there has to deal with its own problems? I guess that's just in Kryptonian genes.
This movie may have been terrible, but without it, we wouldn't have Jon Cryer as Lex Luthor in the CW Supergirl series. And holy hell, is he MASTERFUL in the role.
legit love the scene when he meets with Smallville Clark and tries to be as intimidating as he can be and even tries to use Kryptonite on him. only for Clark to explain he gave up his powers, throws the Kryptonite away and tells Jon Cryer that he is no Lex Luthor. it's an awesome and hilarious moment because of how well both actors sell it.
@@benwasserman8223 That much I picked up on. Of course, from word go that series was already trying to rival Smallville for the title of "Mythology Gag: The Series."
I love how they left out all the scenes of regular people breathing/talking in space. Like even that was too silly for them to try and adapt. Like in the deleted scene with Jeremy at the end, he wasn't wearing a space suit.
You know, the "Nuclear Man is solar powered" idea could have worked more... if they had based it on how Superman gains his powers from yellow sunlight. Because of how some versions of Superman can store up the energy he gains from the yellow sunlight for later use when no longer under it, that could then be used to explain why Nuclear Man can't last long when he is no longer in yellow sunlight. Because he was made to be stronger than Superman, this unintentionally creates a design flaw in him, that makes him burn through his reserves faster than Superman. at least that's what i think could have been done to better explain Nuclear Man's weakness.
I like it too, honestly. It's sort of like a Hummer vs a Monster Truck. Sure, one's more powerful than the other, but it's burning a helluva lot more gas to dominate.
Superman the last Kryptonian.....besides his cousin, dog, radioactive garbage monster, phantom zone prisoners, super computer cyborg, future child with Lois, etc.
I love the fact that the comic acknowledged the little known fact that human can't breath in Outer, FUCKING, Space. something that the movie decided not to do 29:30
You forgot to mention how in the comic, Nuclear Man didn't take Lacey into space whereas in the movie, he did. It's another significant improvement as it shows that the comic creators at least did their science homework!
In regards to Superman killing, there are two (technically four) deaths I'm completely fine with being part of Superman's lore. The first is Doomsday. The second, and most important, is General Zod (and his two henchmen). In the original comic, Superman gave them a formal execution by Kryptonite after they'd murdered an entire planet and were going to do the same to Earth. Why am I okay with Superman killing Zod? Because it wasn't easy for him to do and it haunted him for years. Killing someone should not be so easy to do that it's just a casual action for a superhero. It was something Superman felt he needed to do but was not happy he had to do, and that action fueled his future desires to never have to kill again. It ironically shows how precious life is to Superman and in my opinion is a very mature way of handling superheroes killing. Unlike Batman, whom has psychological trauma as the reason he doesn't kill, because he's afraid he'll never he able to stop, Superman has killed before and is willing to kill again ONLY if there's no other way, and he does everything he can to find another way before that. It's why I don't like the Injustice version or the Justice Lord version of Superman, where killing is just the easiest thing in the world and it's done almost gleefully. "I killed someone, now I are evil!"
This was why I was initially okay with Superman killing Zod in "Man of Steel," because it could have opened up more conflict possibilities with the character... or at least it could have in the hands of more competent storytellers.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Jon Cryer's portrayal of Lex Luthor in the most recent season of Supergirl. He was actually quite good and more than made up for his appearance in the movie.
Yeah, before..well, all that stuff went down, what I liked the most about the crew is that they really felt like a group that interacted with crossovers and cameos rather than just a bunch of disconnected reviewers.
@@PrincessAshley972 Exactly, this could have been ANOTHER full review :) MORE LUPA IS A GOOD THING :) Yeah, I know she appears a couple more times... IT'S NOT ENOUGH DAMMNIT!
You see, Superman is indeed the last "true" kryptonian. He stands for everything what made Krypton great, while places like Argo and the Phantom Zone grew resentful of the old ways.
You know linkara... the only reason christopher reeves would play Superman again in this flick would be to have him come up with the plot which caused the whole “supes solving nuclear war” thing. (I’m also this video’s first comment)
Indeed. If you notice the credits of the movie, he's actually the one who wrote the story. He was a big anti-nuke activist back then. So, of course, this story comes from that, but suffers from a lot of naivete.
@@Dreadjaws And by botching the nuclear warfare lesson, the movie unintentionally succeeded in teaching a lesson about the dangers of trying to ham fist a solution without thinking things through.
There is a bit of logic to the idea that atomic escalation has gone further than either superpower really WANTED it to go, and that they might be willing to 'turn back the clock' somewhat, whilst still maintaining existing cultural rivalries. But the movie does ANYTHING BUT a decent job or showing or selling that.
@@FrenchPaul1988 Other idea they had for Superman 3 was to have Brainiac and if i remember well at the end of that movie he fights a robot. They could just say that robot was Brainiac but probably fans would get mad. But still is they should just use an actual villain of Supes from the comics, but i suppose they tough it would cost a lot.
This comic better contain the little-noticed error that when Lex cut Superman's hair with a pair of hedge-clippers, it wasn't the iron ball that created a circular hole in the display case, it was the shattered glass hitting it first.
I love the fact that at 10:54 I immediately started quoting the "Over There" shtick in my head the same time Linkara did. I've been watching his content too long it seems.
22:15 I don't know, if you're feeling generous, Nuclear-Mans weakness might be something he inherited from Superman, who also gains his power from the sun. The Radiation might have destroyed his capacity to store energy.
And there will be a first comment There will be a first comment when the people want it so badly, their replies have no choice but to acknowledge them.
When you're depressed as fuck, it's nice to find that Linkara's uploaded to get you through the evening. Something comforting and familiar about an AT4W video. Thanks Lewis.
Great review as ever, Linkara. Just wanted to pop in with a counterpoint to your arguments from 17:50-20:00. Just my interpretation of the details and point, maybe they'll make sense to you, maybe not. Superman didn't consult with elected leaders, sure, but that's because he was already GIVEN their opinion. Not just once, but twice. The President openly stated that they had NO CHOICE but to continue armament, given the failure of the peace summit. And he's technically correct, depending on your personal moral philosophy. The threat of nuclear annihilation drastically shifts the stakes of the prisoner's dilemma present in international politics: if you disarm, but your opponent doesn't, the destruction they can deliver is of SUCH a scope that you are dooming millions of others to suffer the results of your choice in addition to yourself. And that's what created, in part, the ever-growing nuclear stockpile: given the animosity between the two superpowers, neither could fully trust the other to actually carry out its word, and therefore could not, morally, step down if they thought their opponent couldn't. Otherwise they'd be dooming millions to domination by their ideological opposite. Secondly, you have the very scene you lament being cut from the UN scene: Superman is offered sponsorship by EVERY member of the United Nations. Every nation trusts Superman to speak and act in a way they support. And sure, ambassadors aren't elected officials in reality, but they are appointed by them (in democratic countries), and we know that the dramatic shorthand of the United Nations delegates is that they represent their nation's collective will. Thus, the movie tells us this IS the will of the people, they simply haven't had the ability to resolve it themselves because they cannot trust their enemies to act in good faith. The escalation of nuclear weapons is a matter they conduct because they have no other choice. But they can and DO trust Superman to do so. This isn't, in my interpretation, Superman deciding he knows best and ruling the world. This is Superman providing a trusted party to resolve an issue that no one WANTED. Which he has heard from the mouths of children, presidents, the very paper he works at, and, one presumes, more. Now, could they have spent more time on this? Shown him hearing people lamenting the lack of options in the USSR and other nations, to make it clearer that this was the will of ALL peoples, not just Americans? Sure, but 1980's America wasn't always the best at thinking in terms of global unity.
Eclipso: Thank you, Superman, for fulfilling the absolutely bizarrely esoteric condition for me to put in an appearance. Superman: ...you're not a MAGICAL villain, are you, Eclipso? Eclipso: Literal wrath of god. Superman: Aww shit.
Honestly if this was made in 90s or now, I imagine the North Korean would probably protest to Superman about the nuclear stuff. And they be stupid enough to do so.
captain Rockatron as krimson rogue said (mind you on a different review and different characer but still): how would you like the list? Alphabetically or in order of severity?
Honestly though, when you realize how messy the production was and the budget being hacked away, they did as much as they could with what they were given.
That can explain the effects, but that really doesn't account for the script which is ultimately the real problem with the movie. It was something Reeve insisted on in order to return to the role. It was the story he wanted to tell and it's so naive that even at 19, I had a hard time believing adults had written this movie.
I must say, Superman 4 existing was totally worth it to have Jon Cryer as _Lex_ Luthor in Supergirl. I had my doubts when he was first announced, but he knocked it out of the park.
It’s nice to know that you’re willing to cover Superman 4 twice with different people showing how far you’ve come as a reviewer over the years. It’s pretty cool 😊
What’s weird is that UN scene is actually done rather well in both the Justice League Animated series and by Lara Kent in the Injustice dream timeline.
One of the biggest reasons I'm so happy that I found your channel other than the fact that I like comics and find your content highly entertaining. But one of the other big reasons is just due to how much I have learned about comics in general. From certain artists and writers to how comics or characters were created. The most important though is learning about the heroes from ones I never even heard of before to even learning more about my favorite ones. And the one character that you got me to actually give a chance and not totally be biased towards was Superman. As I always just felt he was a way to OP character who was bland and boring as a person. Yet I learned when he's handled correctly he can be such a interesting character.
Wall repair vision has got to be one of Sups's most underrated, yet useful powers. He sure could have used that in the Batman VS Superman movie...Or the Man Of Steel movie after AN ENTIRE TOWN is destroyed cause of his fight.
hey! this was how i discovered you. think it was a crossover with nostalgia critic. 3:34 more comic adaptations based on movie adaptations based on comic books should do this.
Yeah I have to agree, even leaving aside Superman's bastard son he had with Lois who didn't remember the night they had him, that movie was freaking BORING.
Hmm, maybe the UN should be willing to work with Superman as an alternative to nuclear weapons. Perhaps they should draft some kind of accords where a UN panel votes on where and when Superman is needed to render aid and where he would not be permitted to act. That would be a brilliant idea!
“Next time we begin the long anticipated retrospective of Cassandra Cain” YES! YES! I have been looking forward to this ever since you first announced it last year, I can’t wait for next week! 😆😆😆
Anyone else remember reading Injustice Year One where Superman makes the same promise to dispose of all nuclear weapons, and it was portrayed as a BAD thing to show that Superman was NOT THINKING CLEARLY. How much you want to bet Tom Taylor used this movie as inspiration on how to NOT portray that scene?
I've always like the Nuclear Man. He's got a great look, interesting power/weakness dynamic, even an okay origin. He's a weird cross between Bizarro and Parasite, he could be one of the great Superman villains. Instead he's tied to this piece of crap of a movie, and he's a joke.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I was waiting for someone to say that. Yes what happened at CA sucked and was completely terrible! But at the same time there were several arguments made against the site that I found questionable and/or lacking evidence. And since nobody on either side is willing to talk about it much anymore, its best that everyone (creators and fans) move on and just continue to enjoy future content (whether their associated with CA or not)
I love the Lupa cameo and your exploration into why the movie doesn't get Superman and why he wouldn't remove the missiles. Love the episode and can't wait for the retrospective, especially since your retrospective of Blue Beetle was so good.
...can it still be considered a "lot" of kyrpton's civilization survived considering that the super animals, multiple cities , artifacts and phantom zone criminals all add up to significantly less than one percent of the original civilization?
Kryptonian Elders: Seeing as you're not native to Earth Superman, this means that Earth is _"Over there",_ and _"Over there"_ needs to take care of it's own problems.
Boy, way to unnecessarily get your hackles up about there being no minorities in this comic like a total SJ-pfffhahahaha I can't even finish that sentence with a straight face. Man, you just keep getting better Lewis. I fuckin' love your stuff.
Good review Linkara! I'll admit, I've always had a soft-spot for Superman IV because we had this one on tape when I was a kid and I watched it quite a bit. Even with that, I'd rather watch SM IV over SM III. IV's bad, but its more straight forward and less silly than SM III. Good reflection to on the problem with Superman declaring 'yeah I'm getting rid of all nuclear weapons.' Jumps right into Injustice Superman territory. A better thing they could have done was shown Superman convincing the US and Soviet leadership to trust him and give permission to get rid of the nukes. It would play into the opening scene as when Supes saves the Soviet cosmonauts, showing how Superman protects everybody regardless of the Cold War. Great review again Lewis, looking forward to the Cassandra Cain month. BTW, while I know you've not seen the CW shows, Jon Cryer came back to play Lex Luthor for Supergirl Season 4. He was EXCELLENT, incorporating elements of every shade of Luthor, the mad scientist, evil businessman, and brilliant manipulator. It was a great performance and way better than the DCEU Lex. Also, look forward to seeing you and Allison doing a team-up review :)
…Upshot of this movie: Morgan Freeman got an Oscar nomination. Seriously. (This movie’s shit budget is explained by it being produced by Cannon Films, not the Salkinds. Cannon only got Christopher Reeve back by agreeing to produce a pet project of his called Street Smart, in which Freeman played a pimp. I haven’t seen it, but I did enjoy the first Breakin’ movie, which gives me reasonable optimism for it)
@@otaking3582 not the Disco, the newspaper! "Ford to City, drop dead!"the New Yorker used when the president refused to release the city from bankruptcy
There will be good comics, when readers want it so badly, that DC and Marvel will have no choice but to give it to them
Three years later, DC and Marvel are bleeding numbers, but at least they’re resetting the movie universe for DC.
It's always hilarious to remember this film after reading the "Your nuclear weapons are useless earthlings" line from DC Challenge.
Guard that couch well. I hear Darkseid will stop at nothing to sit in every couch in the multiverse.
Not before Thanos gets there first 😛
"Stealin' your stuff!"
"Aww dammit!"
Well played, I actually laughed out loud before the title played!
Is it just me or was he trying not to laugh there?
He was trying
AkumaKristian Oh 100%, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was ad-libbed and kept in because it got such a reaction.
It was totally adlibbed. =)
I commented before I finished the video. Didn't even try to hide the smile at the end did you? :)
"We have no agency or power of our own. We're basically pawns in Superman's game."
Oh, so, it's the Injustice universe. Neat.
I thought the same thing. Him waltzing into the UN and saying "hey, i know whats best and i am acting on that notion, everyonewill ceasefire or i will intervein" was one of the first things in year one (end of the second issue if anyone wants the exact place to find it) and it was made pretty clear that was a bad thing
Lewis made me realize that Superman IV could totally exist in the Injustice-verse as pro-Regime propaganda.
@@mr_lrb6879 OH MY GOSH THAT’S GENIUS!!!
Speaking of Injustice, I’d love to see Lewis cover some of the prequel comics
@@Scorpionspear77 lte but yeah I'm surprised he hasn't
1987: Jon Cryer plays Lex Luthor's nephew.
2019: Jon Cryer plays Lex Luthor.
He's come a long way in his acting career.
And he's actually pretty damn good at being Lex too
I had my doubts, but by the end of the arc, he was Lex. (Unlike the actor in BvS).
The major problem with bvs is the enemy of all cinema lazy writing.
CycloneShadow i swear i heard before he was supposed to be the riddler but in their infinite wisdom of rushing it, they changed the character to lex because... because... because riddler is too ridiculous? Lex is daark and very gritty? The energizer bunny is pink? Who knows
@@ilopominecrafter Apparently he was originally going to be Jimmy Olsen, but Snyder felt he would be a much better Lex Luther.
"My powers don't put me above the law". -Superman, Superman Vs. The Elite.
The British accent of the main villain in that film was Dick Van Dyke level.
@@clearspira Despite being voiced by a British actor.
Yeah but that was good.
Except for the fact he is already is breaking the law by being a hero.
Says the vigilante who wears a costume instead of joining the police
Superman: consulting with the elder gods before Raiden made it cool
*Cue Phelous' "God of Useless" song*
Totally stole it from the 70s Shazam series...
Jack Mcslay and getting just as useful results
Superman: you know I can’t use my powers in outworld.
Q: What do you do if Superman wants to take your nation's nuclear weapons?
A: Applaud wildly.
Q: Donald trump wants to nuke North Korea to prevent North Korea from nuking the US, whadda ya do?
A: Applaud loudly!
Superman: takes himself as the highest form of authority on Earth and ridding nuclear missiles.
Any other story like this would have Batman running in to punch him.
That Allison bit at the beggining was really charming. You can pretty much see Lewis smiling as she says shes gonna steal his stuff.
I get tye feeling the last 2 lines were improv (he sounded like he was about to crack up)... making it even funnier.
@@DiceFTW273 according to Lewis it totally was!
Still better her stealing his stuff than Brad not flushing. 😂
Not so much now.
@@tavoknaza7086 EH😂 I had a feeling
Superman took a page out of Raiden’s book: I MUST CONSULTE WITH THE ELDER GO- eer ELDER KRYPTONINS
Actually that's even more apt given Raiden's "Screw it, I'll do it myself" moments.
I love how Linkara gives Superman and Clark Kent slightly different voices so as to show how Superman does make an effort to hide his identity with more than just a pair of glasses, and yet with Batman and Bruce Wayne he just gives both the "gargling marbles" voice.
It’s LEAGUES funnier that way, I love it
@@Fluffkitscriptseven though I know and expect it, it always catches me off guard when Bruce Wayne gives a speech in Christopher Nolan batman voice
The guy who played Lenny is playing Lex Luther now, and he is _killing_ it in the role.
Where?
@@JaelinBezel The CW
When I first hear that I was like ok they are trying to make the BVS Lex Look good but my gawd he was pure EVIL ...Best Luthor next to Clancy
@@kaicreech7336Talk about coming full circle.
It's amazing how Linkara keeps working in "Over There" references into his Superman reviews.
15:18
So basically, the elders are telling Superman to leaves so that Earth will be "over there" because over there has to deal with its own problems? I guess that's just in Kryptonian genes.
Betrayed!
BetRAYED!
BETRAYED!
BETRAYYYYYYYEEEEEEDDDDDDD!!!!!!
The only way for me to solve this crisis is to be Superman IV: The Quest for Peace!
Oh so thaaat's why they call it that...
*AH, AH, HE SAID IT!*
HEH!
I laughed soo hard when I first heard that.
It's amazing how much use you get out of that too much pink energy is dangerous clip
zordon will be proud of that...
Too much ‘too much pink energy is dangerous’ clip is dangerous!
Fun fact: that crossover with you know who was my first exposure to you and your lamp collection
Same
This movie may have been terrible, but without it, we wouldn't have Jon Cryer as Lex Luthor in the CW Supergirl series. And holy hell, is he MASTERFUL in the role.
And, yet, the irony is the finale of Supergirl (season four) was entitled, "The Quest for Peace".
My folks have a clock that chimes "I Did It My Way". I can never return home now without thinking of Lex Luthor every hour.
legit love the scene when he meets with Smallville Clark and tries to be as intimidating as he can be and even tries to use Kryptonite on him.
only for Clark to explain he gave up his powers, throws the Kryptonite away and tells Jon Cryer that he is no Lex Luthor.
it's an awesome and hilarious moment because of how well both actors sell it.
And it wasn't until this moment that I realized why Jon Cryer was cast as Lex in Supergirl. I had *completely* forgotten about Lenny.
DataCab1e That’s also why the S4 finale was titled The Quest for Peace
@@benwasserman8223 That much I picked up on. Of course, from word go that series was already trying to rival Smallville for the title of "Mythology Gag: The Series."
I love how they left out all the scenes of regular people breathing/talking in space. Like even that was too silly for them to try and adapt.
Like in the deleted scene with Jeremy at the end, he wasn't wearing a space suit.
You know, the "Nuclear Man is solar powered" idea could have worked more... if they had based it on how Superman gains his powers from yellow sunlight. Because of how some versions of Superman can store up the energy he gains from the yellow sunlight for later use when no longer under it, that could then be used to explain why Nuclear Man can't last long when he is no longer in yellow sunlight. Because he was made to be stronger than Superman, this unintentionally creates a design flaw in him, that makes him burn through his reserves faster than Superman.
at least that's what i think could have been done to better explain Nuclear Man's weakness.
I like it too, honestly. It's sort of like a Hummer vs a Monster Truck. Sure, one's more powerful than the other, but it's burning a helluva lot more gas to dominate.
3:59 though one of the aspects that people loved about Christopher Reeve was that he looked so much like comic Superman.
As well as the fact how he differentiated Clark and Superman, like how people logically might be fooled by the disguise
It also depends on the artist,some draw him fatter and some draw him slimmer
Movie Superman was already very close to the comics aside from Luthor, so drawing it more realistically wouldn't make sense.
Superman the last Kryptonian.....besides his cousin, dog, radioactive garbage monster, phantom zone prisoners, super computer cyborg, future child with Lois, etc.
Nuclear Man: "EE NAY CHUK!"
Superman: "O...kay."
What an Obscurus cameo! :p
Yup. I think that indicates an actual crossover, but don’t quote me. (Prolly not qualified to speak anyway.)
When did she become blonde?
CAMEOS DON'T WORK THAT WAY!!!
Ah... the episode where I first encountered Linkara and was wondering who he was instead of NC.
teoteous same
Ditto, and Linkara js better than nc now. In my opinion.
@@cameronheaton9900 nah that’s a fact, dude 😂
There aren't enough heart emojis i can give to the part with Allison. It was so funny and wholesome and perfect
29:30 And on that fateful day, Jeremy conceived his plan of a world without nations, and put plans in place to create Outer Heaven.
"Since then there have been many more Superman movies"
Yeah, all TWO of them...
Three if you count BVS
Well there’s been many non theatrical films
Oh boy, That crossover with NC & Linkara nearly 10 Years Ago, That takes me back.
Man the first time I saw Linkara was in a complication of Nostalgia Critic videos
I love the fact that the comic acknowledged the little known fact that human can't breath in Outer, FUCKING, Space. something that the movie decided not to do 29:30
You forgot to mention how in the comic, Nuclear Man didn't take Lacey into space whereas in the movie, he did. It's another significant improvement as it shows that the comic creators at least did their science homework!
In regards to Superman killing, there are two (technically four) deaths I'm completely fine with being part of Superman's lore.
The first is Doomsday.
The second, and most important, is General Zod (and his two henchmen). In the original comic, Superman gave them a formal execution by Kryptonite after they'd murdered an entire planet and were going to do the same to Earth. Why am I okay with Superman killing Zod? Because it wasn't easy for him to do and it haunted him for years. Killing someone should not be so easy to do that it's just a casual action for a superhero. It was something Superman felt he needed to do but was not happy he had to do, and that action fueled his future desires to never have to kill again.
It ironically shows how precious life is to Superman and in my opinion is a very mature way of handling superheroes killing. Unlike Batman, whom has psychological trauma as the reason he doesn't kill, because he's afraid he'll never he able to stop, Superman has killed before and is willing to kill again ONLY if there's no other way, and he does everything he can to find another way before that. It's why I don't like the Injustice version or the Justice Lord version of Superman, where killing is just the easiest thing in the world and it's done almost gleefully. "I killed someone, now I are evil!"
I are evil? Why not "I R Baboon"?
@@mitchfletcher2386 because this isn't Cow and Chicken?
@@RabblesTheBinx Not the point!
@@mitchfletcher2386 I'd have to say that it is, so...
This was why I was initially okay with Superman killing Zod in "Man of Steel," because it could have opened up more conflict possibilities with the character... or at least it could have in the hands of more competent storytellers.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Jon Cryer's portrayal of Lex Luthor in the most recent season of Supergirl. He was actually quite good and more than made up for his appearance in the movie.
I think the answer basically is that Lewis doesn't watch the Arrowverse, as far as I know.
Linkara dosen't watch TV anymore
@@jesusramirezromo2037 ah …..ok
I like that the ex-Channel Awesome people are still doing crossovers and staying in touch.
Yeah, before..well, all that stuff went down, what I liked the most about the crew is that they really felt like a group that interacted with crossovers and cameos rather than just a bunch of disconnected reviewers.
It feels like they’re still part of the same group, just without Doug and possibly Brad.
26:57 ....
There is nothing on Earth that can describe how hard I laughed.
YOU'RE DENYING US ANOTHER LUPA CROSSOVER??? YOU... THAT'S JUST EVIL!!!
Watch that's the first June review.
hes not denying it, its on Lupa's channel. look for Movie Nights
@@PrincessAshley972
Exactly, this could have been ANOTHER full review :) MORE LUPA IS A GOOD THING :)
Yeah, I know she appears a couple more times... IT'S NOT ENOUGH DAMMNIT!
@@firefly4f4 perhaps you misread? There IS a crossover. Its just on Lupa's channel
@@PrincessAshley972
No, I read it correctly. I know the review on her channel will be a crossover.
I'M JUST UPSET SHE'S NOT IN MORE OF THIS ONE :)
You see, Superman is indeed the last "true" kryptonian. He stands for everything what made Krypton great, while places like Argo and the Phantom Zone grew resentful of the old ways.
You know linkara... the only reason christopher reeves would play Superman again in this flick would be to have him come up with the plot which caused the whole “supes solving nuclear war” thing.
(I’m also this video’s first comment)
Indeed. If you notice the credits of the movie, he's actually the one who wrote the story. He was a big anti-nuke activist back then. So, of course, this story comes from that, but suffers from a lot of naivete.
@@Dreadjaws And by botching the nuclear warfare lesson, the movie unintentionally succeeded in teaching a lesson about the dangers of trying to ham fist a solution without thinking things through.
There is a bit of logic to the idea that atomic escalation has gone further than either superpower really WANTED it to go, and that they might be willing to 'turn back the clock' somewhat, whilst still maintaining existing cultural rivalries.
But the movie does ANYTHING BUT a decent job or showing or selling that.
Meanwhile this movie on alternative universe: They got a better budget and script, instead make Nuclear Man they used Bizarro on the movie.
José David Catemac and it was directed by Richard Donner.
In the lead-up to Superman Returns, they printed a short novel starring Metello and Bizzarro. It was the best Superman movie.
@@FrenchPaul1988
Other idea they had for Superman 3 was to have Brainiac and if i remember well at the end of that movie he fights a robot. They could just say that robot was Brainiac but probably fans would get mad. But still is they should just use an actual villain of Supes from the comics, but i suppose they tough it would cost a lot.
Warner Brothers is to blame, they sold off the film rights to Cannon simply because the comics weren't selling well.
I would be interested in seeing this film's effects redone with modern technology.
Really surreal that I started watching you cause of that crossover and now it's come full circle
It was the first major thing I saw of him following the NC/AVGN battle royal. Crazy how these things come back around like this.
Yeah, pretty cool in a sense.
This comic better contain the little-noticed error that when Lex cut Superman's hair with a pair of hedge-clippers, it wasn't the iron ball that created a circular hole in the display case, it was the shattered glass hitting it first.
I love the fact that at 10:54 I immediately started quoting the "Over There" shtick in my head the same time Linkara did. I've been watching his content too long it seems.
I'm interested. Where does it origin. I heard it so many times on this show but I don't know to what is this reference
@@jakubgodyn7413The AT4W episode on Superman #701. AKA the last Superman storyline before The New 52.
I can’t wait for a year and a half to pass and then it’ll be open season for Linkara to review Superman: Year One.
Jon cryer would go on to play lex Luther in Supergirl season 4 which ended with an episode called the quest for peace
22:15 I don't know, if you're feeling generous, Nuclear-Mans weakness might be something he inherited from Superman, who also gains his power from the sun. The Radiation might have destroyed his capacity to store energy.
In the next DC film universe I cast lupa as catwoman
At this point, we can do infinitely worse but at the same time go upward.
"At the time, it was the worst Superman film."
You know what they say, though: time makes fools of us all.
Zack Snyder: Hold my Piss Jar
Now hold on just a minute: He never said "live action". he may have just been referencing Brainiac Attacks.
Man, Brainiac Attacks SUUUKs
Why is this hat full of yogurt?
Superman Returns was very half-baked too.
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It used to be milk, but well, time makes fools of all of us.
And there will be a first comment There will be a first comment when the people want it so badly, their replies have no choice but to acknowledge them.
When you're depressed as fuck, it's nice to find that Linkara's uploaded to get you through the evening. Something comforting and familiar about an AT4W video. Thanks Lewis.
So, nobody's going to ask why Lex is allowed to run around loose after nearly destroying the west coast of the United States?
He's like Trump, supposedly has so much money and property that nobody cares what he says or does as long as people are paid.
Clay3613 na, they’re too busy stupefied by what superman is saying that they can’t comprehend even something as simple as arrest lex
John Killion plus i am pretty sure he was arrested in the film
19:33 Sooo Red Son/Injustice Superman?
Only, you know, a couple of decades earlier.
Wasn't Red Son Superman at-least elected?
@@Painocus Nobody complained about this Superman either. Even if they should.
Great review as ever, Linkara. Just wanted to pop in with a counterpoint to your arguments from 17:50-20:00. Just my interpretation of the details and point, maybe they'll make sense to you, maybe not.
Superman didn't consult with elected leaders, sure, but that's because he was already GIVEN their opinion. Not just once, but twice. The President openly stated that they had NO CHOICE but to continue armament, given the failure of the peace summit. And he's technically correct, depending on your personal moral philosophy. The threat of nuclear annihilation drastically shifts the stakes of the prisoner's dilemma present in international politics: if you disarm, but your opponent doesn't, the destruction they can deliver is of SUCH a scope that you are dooming millions of others to suffer the results of your choice in addition to yourself. And that's what created, in part, the ever-growing nuclear stockpile: given the animosity between the two superpowers, neither could fully trust the other to actually carry out its word, and therefore could not, morally, step down if they thought their opponent couldn't. Otherwise they'd be dooming millions to domination by their ideological opposite.
Secondly, you have the very scene you lament being cut from the UN scene: Superman is offered sponsorship by EVERY member of the United Nations. Every nation trusts Superman to speak and act in a way they support. And sure, ambassadors aren't elected officials in reality, but they are appointed by them (in democratic countries), and we know that the dramatic shorthand of the United Nations delegates is that they represent their nation's collective will.
Thus, the movie tells us this IS the will of the people, they simply haven't had the ability to resolve it themselves because they cannot trust their enemies to act in good faith. The escalation of nuclear weapons is a matter they conduct because they have no other choice. But they can and DO trust Superman to do so.
This isn't, in my interpretation, Superman deciding he knows best and ruling the world. This is Superman providing a trusted party to resolve an issue that no one WANTED. Which he has heard from the mouths of children, presidents, the very paper he works at, and, one presumes, more. Now, could they have spent more time on this? Shown him hearing people lamenting the lack of options in the USSR and other nations, to make it clearer that this was the will of ALL peoples, not just Americans? Sure, but 1980's America wasn't always the best at thinking in terms of global unity.
You know I never thought of it that way but you make a lot of sense. Thanks.
Eclipso: Thank you, Superman, for fulfilling the absolutely bizarrely esoteric condition for me to put in an appearance.
Superman: ...you're not a MAGICAL villain, are you, Eclipso?
Eclipso: Literal wrath of god.
Superman: Aww shit.
Honestly if this was made in 90s or now, I imagine the North Korean would probably protest to Superman about the nuclear stuff. And they be stupid enough to do so.
Nuclear Man = "Doomsday" from BvS
The equation is true but F*#%ing terrible.
Dr. Strange Bat
Yeah.
What the f#@$ snyder?
captain Rockatron as krimson rogue said (mind you on a different review and different characer but still): how would you like the list? Alphabetically or in order of severity?
captain Rockatron Im still confused by how they were planning to make a Nightwing movie when Snyder had killed of Grayson.
Superboy was made from lex and krypthonian too
@@uzumchiz1738, was he a bad character, though?
23:54 The look of pure joy on Lupa's face is precious. She is a treasure 😻
Ironically Jon Cryer now plays Lex Luther on Super Girl.
And he's AWESOME!
Honestly though, when you realize how messy the production was and the budget being hacked away, they did as much as they could with what they were given.
Completely agree with you on that.
That can explain the effects, but that really doesn't account for the script which is ultimately the real problem with the movie. It was something Reeve insisted on in order to return to the role. It was the story he wanted to tell and it's so naive that even at 19, I had a hard time believing adults had written this movie.
I must say, Superman 4 existing was totally worth it to have Jon Cryer as _Lex_ Luthor in Supergirl. I had my doubts when he was first announced, but he knocked it out of the park.
Nice to see you're still keeping in touch with other former CA members.
Looking into some behind-the-scenes stories, it seems Lewis was better at networking and communication overthe heads at the time
It’s nice to know that you’re willing to cover Superman 4 twice with different people showing how far you’ve come as a reviewer over the years. It’s pretty cool 😊
Jeremy, seeing a World Without Borders, would go on to become America’s greatest soldier - The Boss.
...Baby.
Superman Ends Mutually Assured Destruction: A Quest for Peace.
Next time: Superman helps to solve World Hunger in: A QUEST FOR PEAS.
What’s weird is that UN scene is actually done rather well in both the Justice League Animated series and by Lara Kent in the Injustice dream timeline.
Time to play everyone's favourite game: INTERNATIONAL POLITICS!
That was a fun game to play back when that certain channel was awesome...
One of the biggest reasons I'm so happy that I found your channel other than the fact that I like comics and find your content highly entertaining. But one of the other big reasons is just due to how much I have learned about comics in general. From certain artists and writers to how comics or characters were created. The most important though is learning about the heroes from ones I never even heard of before to even learning more about my favorite ones. And the one character that you got me to actually give a chance and not totally be biased towards was Superman. As I always just felt he was a way to OP character who was bland and boring as a person. Yet I learned when he's handled correctly he can be such a interesting character.
29:31 - 29:45 🎵A Whole New World! A dazzling place I never knew!🎵
At least it got the character right, at least it's in color.
Was that a jab at MoS
Yes.
More like a jab at THE ENTIRE DCEU!
The Goddamn Batman Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam would like a word.
@@mr_lrb6879 actually Batman was done poorly too. His motive was stupid, and his characterization was off.
The “Batman” in my comment was part of the name of the person I was replying to, I was talking about the movies, not the characters.
10:23 It's also a good thing people don't harm others with unconventional weapons.
Noodle Implements. I love that trope name.
23:54 I just want to imagine that Allison has just been standing there this whole review in that pose with the DVD set.
Loved the intro haha. Great episode, sir
Bonèr. The classy way.
Lostiesgirl "le bonèr"
Wall repair vision has got to be one of Sups's most underrated, yet useful powers. He sure could have used that in the Batman VS Superman movie...Or the Man Of Steel movie after AN ENTIRE TOWN is destroyed cause of his fight.
hey! this was how i discovered you.
think it was a crossover with nostalgia critic.
3:34 more comic adaptations based on movie adaptations based on comic books should do this.
Yeah same here.
"At the time, it was considered the worst Superman film."
*cough* Superman Returns *cough*
Every other live-action adaption since has been worse, excluding casting Henry Cavill.
Agree to disagree, man.
Yeah I have to agree, even leaving aside Superman's bastard son he had with Lois who didn't remember the night they had him, that movie was freaking BORING.
Hmm, maybe the UN should be willing to work with Superman as an alternative to nuclear weapons. Perhaps they should draft some kind of accords where a UN panel votes on where and when Superman is needed to render aid and where he would not be permitted to act. That would be a brilliant idea!
I think I know of someone who would gladly support those accords. It's this rich guy, name of Tony.... something, I forgot. Probably not important.
Fun fact: Jon Cryer is playing Lex Luther, he also played Lenny, Lex Luther's son
Also fun fact: Nuclear Man is now canon in DC comics!
Nuclear Man only appeared and was killed off in a Bendis issue of Superman in 2018.
If she does steal your stuff just tell Phelous, he'll probably make her listen to Old Man reading creepypastas till she gives it back.
EYEEEEEEE!
“Next time we begin the long anticipated retrospective of Cassandra Cain”
YES! YES! I have been looking forward to this ever since you first announced it last year, I can’t wait for next week! 😆😆😆
I will never get tired of the “Over There” joke!
Anyone else remember reading Injustice Year One where Superman makes the same promise to dispose of all nuclear weapons, and it was portrayed as a BAD thing to show that Superman was NOT THINKING CLEARLY. How much you want to bet Tom Taylor used this movie as inspiration on how to NOT portray that scene?
15:42 "betrayed, betrayed, Betrayed, BEtrayed, BETrayed, BeTRAYED, BETRAYED" - blast they missed a silly trick there :)
The cameo by Allison at the beginning was so freaking cute. I love it when you and other video makers just get to hang out and be a lil goofy.
I've always like the Nuclear Man. He's got a great look, interesting power/weakness dynamic, even an okay origin. He's a weird cross between Bizarro and Parasite, he could be one of the great Superman villains. Instead he's tied to this piece of crap of a movie, and he's a joke.
I am happy that linkara got over the CA conundrum
Unlike certain people......
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I was waiting for someone to say that. Yes what happened at CA sucked and was completely terrible! But at the same time there were several arguments made against the site that I found questionable and/or lacking evidence. And since nobody on either side is willing to talk about it much anymore, its best that everyone (creators and fans) move on and just continue to enjoy future content (whether their associated with CA or not)
@@joshstorms3953 we deserve the internet more than those clowns that go around spouting the "change the channel"
I love the Lupa cameo and your exploration into why the movie doesn't get Superman and why he wouldn't remove the missiles. Love the episode and can't wait for the retrospective, especially since your retrospective of Blue Beetle was so good.
...can it still be considered a "lot" of kyrpton's civilization survived considering that the super animals, multiple cities , artifacts and phantom zone criminals all add up to significantly less than one percent of the original civilization?
Good point.
>Pink energy cloud
SAYYYYYYY THE LINE, BART.
Zordon: Too much Pink energy is dangerous!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.
So Superman IV predicted Evil Superman from Injustice years before it's time!
Kryptonian Elders: Seeing as you're not native to Earth Superman, this means that Earth is _"Over there",_ and _"Over there"_ needs to take care of it's own problems.
Boy, way to unnecessarily get your hackles up about there being no minorities in this comic like a total SJ-pfffhahahaha I can't even finish that sentence with a straight face. Man, you just keep getting better Lewis. I fuckin' love your stuff.
Good review Linkara! I'll admit, I've always had a soft-spot for Superman IV because we had this one on tape when I was a kid and I watched it quite a bit. Even with that, I'd rather watch SM IV over SM III. IV's bad, but its more straight forward and less silly than SM III. Good reflection to on the problem with Superman declaring 'yeah I'm getting rid of all nuclear weapons.' Jumps right into Injustice Superman territory. A better thing they could have done was shown Superman convincing the US and Soviet leadership to trust him and give permission to get rid of the nukes. It would play into the opening scene as when Supes saves the Soviet cosmonauts, showing how Superman protects everybody regardless of the Cold War. Great review again Lewis, looking forward to the Cassandra Cain month.
BTW, while I know you've not seen the CW shows, Jon Cryer came back to play Lex Luthor for Supergirl Season 4. He was EXCELLENT, incorporating elements of every shade of Luthor, the mad scientist, evil businessman, and brilliant manipulator. It was a great performance and way better than the DCEU Lex. Also, look forward to seeing you and Allison doing a team-up review :)
18:52 HE'S JUST A MAN *punch*
13:40 I really want to see a montage of scenes like that where John Williams' theme blairs over Superman being UNheroic ^^ XD
Another one of Nuclear Man's powers; super gold Lee press on nails!
Watch out for 'em!
…Upshot of this movie: Morgan Freeman got an Oscar nomination. Seriously.
(This movie’s shit budget is explained by it being produced by Cannon Films, not the Salkinds. Cannon only got Christopher Reeve back by agreeing to produce a pet project of his called Street Smart, in which Freeman played a pimp. I haven’t seen it, but I did enjoy the first Breakin’ movie, which gives me reasonable optimism for it)
Kryptonian Elders: "You see... the Earth is OVER THERE..."
14:22
You can tell that the writers are from New York, that was a very relevant phrase if I'm remembering my timeline correctly
@@otaking3582 not the Disco, the newspaper! "Ford to City, drop dead!"the New Yorker used when the president refused to release the city from bankruptcy