She seems to be very popular, so I have drafted her a contract ...... she's very expensive, there have been lots of treats added in the negotiation process. 🤣
So simple! I'm just starting out in this and trying to figure out how to polish the grover was driving me nuts. Like most things, I was way over thinking it. Going to give this a shot tonight.
Thank you. I have no polishing compound, but I sharpened it in the groove with 2000 grit sandpaper. It already cuts SO much better, I can only imagine if I did use compound. I hadn't used my groover in a year.. time to dust it off.
Regarding the discussion about whether to use a stitch groover or not surely it is a question of what is best for your particular project. I tend to use very lightweight leather for bookbinding so it is not something I use very often (I also very rarely use a swivel knife for the same reason). If I'm using a medium weight leather and the stitched area is not going to be subject to a lot of stress (ie flexing or pulling) then a stitch groover is certainly something that I would use if I wanted to try and avoid any raised stitching. I don't claim to be a leatherwork expert and there is still a vast amount I want and need to learn but I enjoy it.
It does depend on what you are making as to if you need one, I do not generally use one for sunken stitches unless I am stitching an entire belt where the buckle would rub on the stitches but, more to use in conjunction with my French Shave to help reduce the thickness of the edges of leather on bag gussets for example.
I had a leather craft kit 45 years ago when I was in cubs and boy scouts. Only a 2 years ago did a couple of hatchet sheaths for my sons. After seeing your work I realize I'm a hack 🤣🤣. Your work is beautiful and thanks for the tutorials. P.S. love the dog
Hi Joe, thank you for another helpful tutorial. Will you please make one in detail how and why you seal your edges. I may be using the wrong term, but what I'm talking about is the tool you heat and run around the outer edge of your leather. I've seen one of two other people who do that step. You seem to be fanatical about it, doing the same edge multiple passes sometimes. I understand what you're doing, but it would be great to have a detailed knowledge, like temperature, reason, tool, method, etc. Hope this makes sense. It's early in the morning and I'm not sure my brain in fully engaged yet. Thank you P.s. just remembered the proper term, 'creasing.' 🤪
OLD LEATHER SMITH here, hello, I like your expectation, I personally use a string with your compound embedded in it, I will have 2 look for it in my shop and I will get back 2 you with the information, it's available in spool form, otherwise you're explaintion is right on as usual, GOD'S BLESSINGS ✝️⚾🙃
I'm nearly ready to begin. Buying beginning tools on a budget, so tutorials like this will help with my cheap beginning tools. My background is leather associated with horses, my route forward is leather items for durable outdoor use - so thank you Jo.
I wonder if you could get a length of fine thread, push a bit of it through the back of the stitch-groover hole, rub powder mix into the remaining thread, and run it through. Seems like doing both methods would be more thorough.
The powder is carborundum powder from Abbey England (www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html) and the white stuff is tallow, also from Abbey (www.abbeyengland.com/tallow-by-kilo-9858.html)
@@JHLeather yep, that worked, after I cleared out the little hole that had gotten plugged up with the leather that wasn't cutting cleanly. An individual wire bristle of a wire brush works ok for that. It just requires a lot of pushing and twisting. My stitch groover is working well again. 🙂
Britain may be the last bastion of mixing tallow (Refined animal fats) and carborundum , but is quite effective but messy (And smelly if you get cheap tallow and it goes rancid). This mix is actually better than the majority of 'cake' type polishing compounds that are too waxy and meant for the heat of a polishing wheel. Brownell, the US shotgun maker, sells a tube of grey compound that is perfect for hand work, inexpensive and the tube will last 22 lifetimes. Jo's procedure will work with any material but may be improved slightly by judiciously using a 004 needle to clean the compound from the hole while also polishing the inside of the edge for burrs. Skylar's a handsome boy who doesn't seem as though he trusts that bloody camera thing.
That's a great tip with using the needle Walter! I will be using that next time 🙂 Skylar gets a bit funny when I am talking to the camera as she can't figure out who I am talking to so she gets super clingy lol, also she is a cuddle bear anyway and I can't refuse her cuteness - and she knows it! 🙂
Hi Christopher, I use carborundum powder with the tallow, you can get some from Abbey England (they do international shipping if you are outside the UK) www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html
@@JHLeather I have and it didn’t work. I have a friend that’s really experienced and he said to try soaking it in oil so I’m going to try that. Thank you!!
Thank you. In the Australian climate Tallow would go rancid too quickly. I had to strop a knife but did not have rouge but a cutting cream for cars made a reasonable substitute. As for the negative comments, most endeavours offer more than one path to a result. Reasonable people can differ reasonably. The person who chooses not to differ reasonably tells you so much about their problems and what they need to validate themselves. Feel pity for them and move on.
@@JHLeather Your welcome. But Sheil is actually a joke. Try saying the whole name with a long slow drawl and the Australian penchant for eliding words and it may bring a smile.
@@lorus511 Thank you ever so much for translating from English to English for me :) it helps e get started ♡ Now all I gotta' do is figure out what these translate into in Hungarian ;D they're not in the online dictionaries...
Here is the link for the carborundum powder that I get from Abbey England www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html (they do international shipping)
@@Alomtancos Your welcome, apparently you can get the carborundum powder from here: www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.htm they ship worldwide
Sorry what? I was completelly distracted by that beautiful cocker spaniel and kept looking for its return (the snout looks like she is a she.... ? ;)) OK, had to look twice, got it now, thanks.
@@JHLeather absolutely 🤩 Good for you for having her. I am very much thankful and appreciative of your tutorials and tips, but I am just as much hoocked because of your spaniel, so thanks 😊
Using a "stitch groover" is a terrible leatherworking myth that should be put to bed. Unless you're building saddles or making shoes, a stitch groover actually does the opposite of what you want it to do. Cutting the very thin, but strong, skin layer on leather weakens it dramatically, and gives a break-point after you perforate that weakpoint with stitches. The only area that this worth it, is if youre backing it with 20-30oz of leather like in a saddle, or if you need to protect the stitches from extreme abrasion like on a shoe sole. I wish folks would not just blindly follow the saddlemakers who wrote books 50 years ago, and think about how the leather actually works. Theres a reason that the top grain of the leather is so highly prized... its where all of the strength of the leather lies.
If you know so much, why don’t you show us your leather work? Ah, that would be because, you don’t. I appreciate J H leather, they are fantastic teachers of leather craft, and i am thankful for the knowledge J H share, i have learned a lot from them.
@@meebathederpmeister6357 you’re free to look up my brand Hand and Sew, anywhere. I’ve been operating for almost 10 years and have been teaching for almost 7 of those. I personally don’t enjoy the filming process so haven’t really explored videos, but I’m sure you’ll change your tone once you see my work. If you have a more expansive knowledge, then I’d love to hear your argument for the stitching groover, otherwise I’m happy with the knowledge I’ve taught over the years, trying to stop beginners from using this tool and making bad habits.
It has its time and place, be it protecting the stitch, aesthetics or preventing stitching lump. But I agree with not weakening leather more than necessary in some applications.
The people at J H leather know what they are talking about. I will listen to the actual master craftsmen such as the people from J H in preference to people like you every time.
Hey Madcat, it would depend on the project that you are making, if for example to want to reduce the thickness of the edges of a bag gusset then you can use the stitch groove in conjunction with a French shave. Another example would be if you are stitching the entire way around a belt, the buckle rub the stitches over time and by using the groove to sink the stitches into the leather this gives them some projection from the buckle.
I think we would all like to see more of the dog in future videos please :)
She seems to be very popular, so I have drafted her a contract ...... she's very expensive, there have been lots of treats added in the negotiation process. 🤣
@@JHLeather Some things are worth every penny! What fantastic news :)
@@JHLeather Bribery DURING negotiations is illegal and immoral!! Num num nummmmm num. (Sure, fine, whatever, BACON!!)
😂😂
That dog cut through my heart like butter!Nice short and well explained tutorial.
So simple! I'm just starting out in this and trying to figure out how to polish the grover was driving me nuts. Like most things, I was way over thinking it. Going to give this a shot tonight.
Thank you. I have no polishing compound, but I sharpened it in the groove with 2000 grit sandpaper. It already cuts SO much better, I can only imagine if I did use compound. I hadn't used my groover in a year.. time to dust it off.
Glad you found the video helpful and you now have a sharp groove 👍
Once again she does a great job explaining it. Ty.
Thanks Robert 🙂
Regarding the discussion about whether to use a stitch groover or not surely it is a question of what is best for your particular project. I tend to use very lightweight leather for bookbinding so it is not something I use very often (I also very rarely use a swivel knife for the same reason). If I'm using a medium weight leather and the stitched area is not going to be subject to a lot of stress (ie flexing or pulling) then a stitch groover is certainly something that I would use if I wanted to try and avoid any raised stitching. I don't claim to be a leatherwork expert and there is still a vast amount I want and need to learn but I enjoy it.
It does depend on what you are making as to if you need one, I do not generally use one for sunken stitches unless I am stitching an entire belt where the buckle would rub on the stitches but, more to use in conjunction with my French Shave to help reduce the thickness of the edges of leather on bag gussets for example.
Very informative best video I have seen
Glad it was helpful!
Just like that, hey... I have been trying to figure this out for a few days. Thanks for the quick and easy sharpening trick. Be well...
Hi Jo. Watched the channel for sometime and have not subscribed until now. Sorry. Done now. Keep up the good work.
I had a leather craft kit 45 years ago when I was in cubs and boy scouts.
Only a 2 years ago did a couple of hatchet sheaths for my sons.
After seeing your work I realize I'm a hack 🤣🤣.
Your work is beautiful and thanks for the tutorials.
P.S. love the dog
😂😂 Keep at it, it is a great craft to be a part of
Wrote to say thank you, for the videos and some motivation to reignite my leather crafting!
You can do it 🙂
Just love everything you do Jo. And I also have dog envy! What a beauty. Thanks for your work. Please keep posting. I learn so much from you.
She is such a cutie pie isn't she 💕
Epic! Very helpful. Your rock sister! Thank you.
Thank you 👍
Thank You so much...my stitch groover was becoming very bad at grooving and I was wondering how to sharpen it so thank you again!
Glad I could help 🙂
Just bought one and wondered……..You gave me the answer 😊
Yay! Just saved me big bucks on stitch groovers (and spared my house mates a lot of swearing!). ;) Springer spaniel? Isn't she a beauty!
🤣🤣 Shes a springer x cocker spaniel
Love the pup and the video was very helpful
Hi Jo, THANKS for your simple, to the point teaching! G
Glad it was helpful 🙂
👍was using mine when your video popped up! Good timing👍
Thanks
No problem 👍
Thanks, Jo, I have learnt so much from you. Please keep posting!
Thank you 🙂
Thank you! Really good to know. I have been wondering how to sharpen stitch groovers for ages.
Glad it was helpful 🙂
Great video. New hobby because of the virus. Thank you.
It's a great hobby to start...not that I am bias..... 🙂
Hi Joe, thank you for another helpful tutorial. Will you please make one in detail how and why you seal your edges. I may be using the wrong term, but what I'm talking about is the tool you heat and run around the outer edge of your leather. I've seen one of two other people who do that step. You seem to be fanatical about it, doing the same edge multiple passes sometimes. I understand what you're doing, but it would be great to have a detailed knowledge, like temperature, reason, tool, method, etc. Hope this makes sense. It's early in the morning and I'm not sure my brain in fully engaged yet. Thank you
P.s. just remembered the proper term, 'creasing.' 🤪
Thanks Jo, really helpful tutorial. Going to sharpen my stitch groover shortly.
Glad it was helpful 🙂
@@JHLeather stitch groovers stropped and working beautifully
👊
This is a great idea! I've always purchased the replacement tips but I'm going to try this today. Thank you
It's a handy method to help with the longevity of spares. I'm still on the original tip for mine 👍
Thank you so so much for this simple easy to follow worked beautifully!!
Ideal! Glad I was able to help 👍
OLD LEATHER SMITH here, hello, I like your expectation, I personally use a string with your compound embedded in it, I will have 2 look for it in my shop and I will get back 2 you with the information, it's available in spool form, otherwise you're explaintion is right on as usual, GOD'S BLESSINGS ✝️⚾🙃
Thanks Jim 🙂
I always look out for your comments on leather forums Jim. You’re always kind encouraging and helpful
@@alisonhewitt1753 that's very kind of you, thank you, GOD'S BLESSINGS ✝️⚾🙃
@@JHLeatherOLD LEATHER SMITH HERE, information, www.ecmitchellabrasives.com, it is available in cord and tape form, GOD'S BLESSINGS ✝️⚾🙃
Ahh so gorgeous pet. Great video. Thanks. 😊
Thank you 😊
Great video as always. Love the little cocker 😍
Thank you! 😊
Soo sweet doggo❤❤
love the woof hound
Groovey. Thank you I was wondering how I could achieve a sharper edge on my groove cutter.
🤣🤣
Great video! I’ve struggled with that one! 👍🏻👍🏻
Glad it helped 🙂
tq for the knowledge...really appreciate it...thank you veru much
No problem 👍
Thank you! Very hard to find how to sharpen it!
Glad I could help 🙂
I'm nearly ready to begin. Buying beginning tools on a budget, so tutorials like this will help with my cheap beginning tools. My background is leather associated with horses, my route forward is leather items for durable outdoor use - so thank you Jo.
Glad to help 🙂
I use a this technique on my edge bevelers too.
Nice one. I need to do that
Go for it 🙂
So adorable!
Once in a while you can run a string through the hole with compound on it to de-bur the hole. Just run it straight so as to not round the edge.
bless you for this!
Glad you found it helpful 👍
i will try this method, thank you
No worries 🙂
Hey!!!!! Try your hand at Mexican Lacing ---Costura De Borde Un Tiento "El Rincon Del Soguero"-------Nice....Very Nice.
thankyou for showing
Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Ty for the great video. What is the white pastry?
It's tallow that I got from Abbey England 👍
@@JHLeather ty for your answer
What a charming accent!
Thank you 🙂
I wonder if you could get a length of fine thread, push a bit of it through the back of the stitch-groover hole, rub powder mix into the remaining thread, and run it through. Seems like doing both methods would be more thorough.
Love your dog (I have 4 :-) ) May I ask, what is that grey powder you use please? (and the white paste? )
The powder is carborundum powder from Abbey England (www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html) and the white stuff is tallow, also from Abbey (www.abbeyengland.com/tallow-by-kilo-9858.html)
Love the content
Thank you 🙂
Great Tip
Glad it was helpful 🙂
Well thank you. I was wondering how to do that
Glad I could help 🙂
@@JHLeather yep, that worked, after I cleared out the little hole that had gotten plugged up with the leather that wasn't cutting cleanly. An individual wire bristle of a wire brush works ok for that. It just requires a lot of pushing and twisting. My stitch groover is working well again. 🙂
Thank you!
No problem 👍
Britain may be the last bastion of mixing tallow (Refined animal fats) and carborundum , but is quite effective but messy (And smelly if you get cheap tallow and it goes rancid). This mix is actually better than the majority of 'cake' type polishing compounds that are too waxy and meant for the heat of a polishing wheel. Brownell, the US shotgun maker, sells a tube of grey compound that is perfect for hand work, inexpensive and the tube will last 22 lifetimes. Jo's procedure will work with any material but may be improved slightly by judiciously using a 004 needle to clean the compound from the hole while also polishing the inside of the edge for burrs. Skylar's a handsome boy who doesn't seem as though he trusts that bloody camera thing.
That's a great tip with using the needle Walter! I will be using that next time 🙂 Skylar gets a bit funny when I am talking to the camera as she can't figure out who I am talking to so she gets super clingy lol, also she is a cuddle bear anyway and I can't refuse her cuteness - and she knows it! 🙂
I use diamond compound, 5,000 grit works rather well, but like she says a polishing compound will work too.
What did you make the polishing compound from? Talo and what? Sorry, I re-watched it a few times but could quite hear the second thing. Thanks!
Hi Christopher, I use carborundum powder with the tallow, you can get some from Abbey England (they do international shipping if you are outside the UK) www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html
Great many thanks.
No worries 🙂
Hello is there a way to
Clean out a clogged
Stitch Grover?
I usually use a small needle to push out anything that's stuck 👍
What is the carb random powder
I use this from Abbey www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html
Thank you, good ma'am
🙂🙂🙂
So my stitch groover got clogged up and I can’t get it unclogged. I was wondering if you had any tips on how to get it unclogged.
Have you tried using a needle to unclog it? That usually works for me.
@@JHLeather I have and it didn’t work. I have a friend that’s really experienced and he said to try soaking it in oil so I’m going to try that. Thank you!!
Awesome, Thanks.
You're welcome 🙂
Lovely pooch. Just wants some live from Mum and probably asking "What ya doing Mum?"
Thank you. In the Australian climate Tallow would go rancid too quickly. I had to strop a knife but did not have rouge but a cutting cream for cars made a reasonable substitute. As for the negative comments, most endeavours offer more than one path to a result. Reasonable people can differ reasonably. The person who chooses not to differ reasonably tells you so much about their problems and what they need to validate themselves. Feel pity for them and move on.
Thanks Sheil 🙂
@@JHLeather Your welcome. But Sheil is actually a joke. Try saying the whole name with a long slow drawl and the Australian penchant for eliding words and it may bring a smile.
🤣🤣
Excelente 👍👍👍
Thank you 🙂
I love cocker spaniels!
Best of all the doggos 🙂
Skyla (is that the right spelling?) is definitely the secret sauce! :)
She sure is ❤️
cool thanks
No problem 🙂
Спасибо.
No problem 🙂
Молодчина! Спасибо
Thank you 🙂
Please guide for more tool.please please
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Oh! Hey cocker (?)!
Nice to meet you!!!
Otherwise...
Nice picture!
Isn't she the cutest ❤️️
Good dog:) idea good also :)
Thank you! 😊
@@JHLeather waited new video:)
Good dog!
What breed is Skyler 💗 you both 😎
Hey Doug, she is an English springer spaniel x cocker spaniel 🙂
👌👏👏
Thank you 🙂 🙂
Sorry, the what with the what powder? :) Apologies, English is not my mother's tongue.
She said carborundum powder mixed with tallow
@@lorus511 Thank you ever so much for translating from English to English for me :) it helps e get started ♡ Now all I gotta' do is figure out what these translate into in Hungarian ;D they're not in the online dictionaries...
Here is the link for the carborundum powder that I get from Abbey England www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html (they do international shipping)
@@Alomtancos Your welcome, apparently you can get the carborundum powder from here: www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.htm they ship worldwide
@@JHLeather @lorus511 yaaay!
What is the stuff you mixed with "tallow"?
Carborundum powder. It is also known as silicon carbide.
Yes it's Carborundum powder, I got mine from abbey England www.abbeyengland.com/carborundum-powder-1957.html
@@JHLeather do you know what grit your powder is? I would probably be orering silicon carbide in the US and it comes in a dizzying array of grits.
That's a good question, I will try and find out from Abbey as it is not listed on their website....
It is not a HIDE any more, the hide was turned into leather!!
Sorry what? I was completelly distracted by that beautiful cocker spaniel and kept looking for its return (the snout looks like she is a she.... ? ;))
OK, had to look twice, got it now, thanks.
Isn't she the cutest!? (not that I am bias .....) She is a springer x cocker and is my princess puppy (even at 7!) 🙂
@@JHLeather absolutely 🤩 Good for you for having her. I am very much thankful and appreciative of your tutorials and tips, but I am just as much hoocked because of your spaniel, so thanks 😊
Using a "stitch groover" is a terrible leatherworking myth that should be put to bed.
Unless you're building saddles or making shoes, a stitch groover actually does the opposite of what you want it to do. Cutting the very thin, but strong, skin layer on leather weakens it dramatically, and gives a break-point after you perforate that weakpoint with stitches. The only area that this worth it, is if youre backing it with 20-30oz of leather like in a saddle, or if you need to protect the stitches from extreme abrasion like on a shoe sole.
I wish folks would not just blindly follow the saddlemakers who wrote books 50 years ago, and think about how the leather actually works. Theres a reason that the top grain of the leather is so highly prized... its where all of the strength of the leather lies.
Agreed. The only place for a stitch groover is the trash can.
If you know so much, why don’t you show us your leather work? Ah, that would be because, you don’t. I appreciate J H leather, they are fantastic teachers of leather craft, and i am thankful for the knowledge J H share, i have learned a lot from them.
@@meebathederpmeister6357 you’re free to look up my brand Hand and Sew, anywhere. I’ve been operating for almost 10 years and have been teaching for almost 7 of those. I personally don’t enjoy the filming process so haven’t really explored videos, but I’m sure you’ll change your tone once you see my work. If you have a more expansive knowledge, then I’d love to hear your argument for the stitching groover, otherwise I’m happy with the knowledge I’ve taught over the years, trying to stop beginners from using this tool and making bad habits.
It has its time and place, be it protecting the stitch, aesthetics or preventing stitching lump. But I agree with not weakening leather more than necessary in some applications.
Also, a stitch groove doesn’t weaken the leather anymore than carving a pattern or design into leather should swivel knives also not be used?
Who the hell uses a stitch groover?????
The people at J H leather know what they are talking about. I will listen to the actual master craftsmen such as the people from J H in preference to people like you every time.
Hey Madcat, it would depend on the project that you are making, if for example to want to reduce the thickness of the edges of a bag gusset then you can use the stitch groove in conjunction with a French shave. Another example would be if you are stitching the entire way around a belt, the buckle rub the stitches over time and by using the groove to sink the stitches into the leather this gives them some projection from the buckle.
Thank you!
No problems 👍
Thank you!