I have to extend a major thank you to my fellow nerds who watch my videos! There are a few things I would like to note regarding this video: - My math is off in the G-Force/Radius calculations. I forgot to account for the normal force 😬 The radiuses to achieve the G-Forces I discussed are still massive tho! - I say exponential growth but the correct term is quadratic growth! Thank you for the feedback everyone. This will all help lead to better videos in the future
Nice. Normal force is the force that the coaster pushes on you which is G force. On the ground you feel one G, Because Fn=Fg. If you are falling or getting floater there is no Normal, IE Zero gs. If you are doing a crazy inversion you have to accelerate towards the middle of the circle which is one of the reasons why you feel the largest force at the bottom. Fn has to be way bigger than Fg to accelerate upwards. 🤙
I think people are underestimating the size of the rollercoaster. Those airtime hills some enthousiasts said to be forceless could be 30 to even 40 meters high. This rollercoaster will be an absolute mammoth. Those support beams will be the width of a train, maybe even thicker.
I think those supports would be akin to nearly the size of a medium shaped nuclear power plant oval circle structures you see at power plants and such, but that's just me.
Nope. If the hill is designed to produce zero-g then the coaster's force on them will be zero if the ride is operating as designed. The worst-case is the coaster STOPPED on the hill, where the force will be simply the weight of the coaster & riders if it stops top center. The worst load will be the weight of the structure itself, so it will need to be thick at the bottom (where there also positive g-loads). The presented appearance of the structure shows this: massive at the bottom, widely-spaced supports at the top.
I always thought the enthusiast hype over TTD rollbacks was stupid, because a rollback on TTD is essentially a normal ride on Superman Escape from Krypton. By the sound of it, Falcon's Flight rollbacks would be way cooler and give a unique ride experience.
The hype is due to it being incredibly rare. and experiencing the ride two times for the price of one. Superman was designed too, where TTD wasn't designed to every single time, as we obviously know, so the hype comes from first two sentences.
Putting aside the crazy top speed and the shit your pants height, let’s talk about that length. Not only is it gonna beat the previous world record by a significant amount, it also competes with some of the longest mountain coasters in the world, that’s insane. It doesn’t matter if it’s 13,000ft or 14,000ft, it’s an insane length that would’ve been unimaginable even a year ago.
I didn't know Velocicoaster had the features you highlighted here, like the swing launch to rescue itself and the option to completely stop the train on the first brake run at the end of the ride or continue rolling if unoccupied. This just made Velocicoaster fascinating
I got to ride Velocicoaster for the first time a week and a half ago, and I got to ride it three times. On my second ride, I got the rare opportunity to experience the backwards launch to forward launch to get over the top hat after our train was stalled at that second launch section. 😀
Im glad you mentioned the exponential radius situation with falcons flight. This seems to be the reason for i305 being so intense, as it takes a train going 90mph a long time to clear a 4g turn compared to a train going 50mph like on the megalites.
I live in Utah where we have those big, red mesas. My immediate impression is that the desert landscape is extremely unstable. Mesas shed rocks and house size boulders all the time. How are they going to prevent erosion from shifting or destroying the coaster?
In the one by ML Designs, the train absolutely hauls over the grand camelback, so even if the rest of the ride is pretty forceless, getting airtime at over 600ft would be insane.
The block timing analysis/speculation at the end of the video, with the triple-cut example showing, is genuinely incredible. Well done. I had a lot of those same situations when building the ride and letting it run; where in basically any operational hiccup, it causes a crazy traffic jam of stacking. I think the aggressive setup you described checks out in terms of getting the best throughput, but seems to be a bit of a timing gamble between the abort point of launch 3, and the next train on the FBR. Either way, great vid & analysis as always!
Fantastic technical analysis as always, Ryan! One minor correction: By default, a LSM stator will not act as a brake if not energized. In fact it will not do anything. A magnet passing by a coil will generate a current in the coil, sure - but if the leads (wires) are left open then nothing will happen. The leads of the LSM need to be either shorted, or more typically, shunted through what's known as a brake resistor, to dissipate the current generated and only then will they act as a brake. You can think of this in your Tesla as what can happen when coasting - the motors are still spinning when they are not energized, but you are not decelerating or feeling any braking forces unless that current is being shunted somewhere (i.e. regeneration back to the battery pack). On rides, typically from a safety standpoint the LSM stators are set up in a fail-safe configuration to default to shunting through a braking resistor. I only mention this because you specifically kept saying that LSM's when de-energized are automatically brakes, but that is not entirely true unless set up with braking resistors and contactors/controls to behave that way.
We actually use this trick in the racing quadcopter ("drone") community to diagnose failed motors. If a suspect motor seems to decelerate quickly after you spin it with your fingers, there is likely a short. If a motor with its leads shorted together does not decelerate faster, there is an open or another failure. If the motor is attached to an ESC, the ESC may also be causing the short if it has failed, so the motor must be de-soldered and tested on its own.
@@jackwoodhead Awesome, yeah! The same effect is used with LEGO 9V gear motors; the controller can either brake or float the output. Brake shorts the leads and the motor will have a braking effect. Float opens the circuit and the motor will spin without resistance.
Valleying is exactly the issue I thought of. Big wind gust or something and launch doesn't compensate then all of a sudden theyll need to bust a crane out.
Having ridden Formula Rossa, that ride is very intense and definitely gives airtime on those drawn out hills. I have no doubts this ride will give airtime.
The most hilarious coaster video I’ve ever seen was Kimi Raikkonen going on that ride with Vettel and staying completely calm and unfazed the entire ride like it was just another Tuesday (which for those guys it kinda is lol)
I'm still hypothesizing that sand is going to play a bigger part in being an x-factor than is anticipated. The obvious is with the reliability of all of the LSMs and electronics, but there are couple of others. One is with the windshields. They will need to be replaced/repolished regularly as the windy climate and high speeds will end up sandblasting them and decreasing visibility leading to guest complaints (I also think that they will still ultimately have to implement goggles for riders). The other is a friction thing. A thin coating of sand on the tracks will reduce the available friction making the wheels less efficient in pushing the train forward and requiring more energy to maintain speed and momentum to carry the trains around the track thus increasing the potential of valleying and decreasing the overall top speed achieved. Magic Eightball says there might be a lot of Space Mountain-esque cascading in this ride's future depending on how the block zones are established.
@@manifestgtr the closest the middle east has to this is formula rossa. No major issue has sprung up with the massive coaster related to sand as of yet
@@manifestgtr I don't know specifically, but given the size and scope of this one, things aren't aren't as affecting on smaller coasters will hit this one differently. Part of my statement comes from a story a friend who used to work as a mechanic for Lufthansa had about them being commissioned to do maintenance on two planes from Egypt Air. He was surprised the planes were actually still able to fly because of the sand they collected. And for me, working in a shop in a city surrounded by desert lands, the floors have to be swept regularly because they become like sheets of ice with the sand/dust every day. Windshield observation comes from my own stint building airplane canopies/windows in an aerospace facility. And depending on what the actual material is, if they get washed with the wrong cleanser they'll craze and fog up permanently. No amount of re-polishing will take care of it.
@@psychopompinc.646 That was a *huge* issue for airbus’ a350 program. It might’ve been Emirates who passed on an order worth BILLIONS because there was an issue with the airplanes’ engines and the climate. Hot and dusty with these particular engines was gonna require some extra amount of maintenance that the airline just wasn’t willing to spend. It was a huge bump in the road for an otherwise super capable airliner.
Actually, in most countries, manufacturers are obliged to follow standards like the ASTM, since these are adopted in local legislation. The precise standard is dependent on the country: ASTM F2291 in the US, EN13814 in Europe or GB8408 in China for example. Although I'm not sure which standard is used in Saudi-Arabia, most standards are very similar. Therefore, the assumption that Intamin follows ASTM's G-force limitations, is very reasonable.
I got inside sources that they’re actually building clones of this coaster, and here’s where they’re going: Antarctica North Korea Venus Genovia Area 51
I really love these more engineering-focused videos because we get to hear your insight into the design as both a roller-coaster nerd _and_ an engineer. 👍 As a fellow engin-nerd I'll be interested to understand the design decisions, construction & maintenance challenges given the extreme environmental conditions they will have to deal with... you have crazy temperature variations, extremely dry subsoil, those good old sandblasting duststorms, etc. I presume they are going to have to come up with some new tech for cooling & lubricating systems, and given Intamin will have few of the usual budgetary & other constraints it's going to be really interesting to see what solutions they come up with
I love your nerdy content. It's right up my alley, as a coaster enthusiast math nerd. I think a lot of the criticisms of this project comes from a place of knowing how difficult it will be to ride this. It's a tough thought that we could spend tons of money, navigate a very different culture, only to find the coaster closed during our visit for maintenance issues. We don't want it to be very good, in order to make it alright that we won't be riding it. Even though I've had those thoughts, I do think it will be an incredible ride.
Thank you so much for this video, I love how you analyze things and also love when you say “we shouldn’t assume how the coaster will ride until people can ride it.” Love your channel
Ryan, why don’t you apply and become part of Intamin’s North America group? I’m sure you could wind up being a valuable asset in one or more of their divisions; I’m a major fan of what they’ve accomplished and wish I could be employed there
My main concern with this ride is with the maintenance people that have to check this ride for safety every day. Walking ~6 miles roundtrip and scaling a cliff surface every morning, to check to make sure that the track and supports are in good shape? The maintenance team for this ride would be excessive and split into several areas. Coasters of a "regular" size already have a lengthy daily maintenance routine, and with this project, that time easily doubles due to the length and scale of this ride. Plus the additional drive up the cliff to check the track and supports up there (although, that section of track does experience less stress, so maybe that's not as much of a concern). Not to mention, the mechanics need climbing gear in their toolbox to check the support integrity on the cliff face and make sure the water-cooling system for the LSMs (which is new tech that is crucial to proper operations, so definitely should be looked at regularly) is up to shape. It's not like they can avoid this maintenance either, with the conditions and forces this ride is enduring. If they weren't checking the integrity of a 150+ MPH, 600+ ft tall, 13,000+ ft long ride on a daily basis, and then invited the public? Yikes. I'm going to hope that, if this ride does reach the operations stage, FF is only open on special occasions due to the intense maintenance routine, but that would mean that SFQ just burned hundreds of millions of dollars for very little return. Good payday for Intamin at least, lol. Maybe their tourism board is willing to spend huge amounts of money to pay a team that big daily... or worse, maybe they're not, but they still run the ride anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for innovation and love seeing Intamin take on challenges and knock them out of the park, but I hope this project fails in the long run. It's more excessive than innovative, and still has many unknowns regarding SF Qiddiya's operations that have not been addressed (i mean, they haven't even built the rest of the park yet!). I'm not holding my breath on this project.
Drones like they are now going to do at carowinds because everyone freaked out when that support broke on fury would be my gess. They over build these things im sure fury could of operated with that broken support for awhile if social media and the news didnt over react. just a speculation.
@@Coolsomeone234 ok fine, maybe that's a bit strong, but there's no way this project turns out to be a success in any practical sense for SFQ's longevity, especially for the price tag of this project.
@@ken97531 Drones are a possibility, but it'll still take a long time to check track integrity since you have to inspect 13,000+ ft of track. Plus, drones are limited to a maximum height of 400 feet according to various international laws, so unless SFQ gets a special exemption, maintenance crews will still have to climb up the cliff face and the 600 ft hill for inspections. Say they do get the drone height limit exemption, though. The park would have to get multiple drone operators to have any sore of reasonable timeframe, since you'll have to account for the drone's battery life, both in flying and transmitting high quality footage to the operator to check for cracks or defects. I don't know too much about how Carrowinds pulls off their drone inspections, but if they can pull it off, then it only becomes an issue of magnitude for FF, and a very serious order of magnitude at that. EDIT: Saudi Arabia has very heavy regulation on drone use, and they limit drone height to 150 meters, which is higher than the standard limit, but still not high enough.
If I had a penny for every arab megalomaniac project that ends up abandoned because not only is it in the middle of the freaking desert and nobody but the superich wants to go the, but the project itself is a gigantic mess that was born because some moronic arab prince just kept saying "bigger" in the conference room to the point of an engineering feat being obscenely impractical I'd be as rich as an arab prince myself.
Six flags should really start by taking care of the parks that they already have. In Montreal, La Ronde has really had a serious downgrade in the quality of the attractions that it offers this last decade. It seriously needs investment. Its a real shame that they took a park with so much history and just allowed it to rot.
Great Adventure and New England are both shells of their former selves. Service, ride maintenance, and quality are all garbage and prices have shot up. I know Cedar Fair just bought out Six flags, but I really hope they turn those parks around. I'd rather save up to go to a big destination park than go to either of those parks in their current state.
i wonder how the high speed rollback would feel with the glass curved in such a way to "cup" the wind when the train goes backwards, that seems like it would slow down quite a lot
Ryan, great video as always. Did you mean perplexing around the 3rd launch introduction around 8:40? I'm a recovering architect, current construction estimator, and lifetime coaster idiot. It's interesting to talk about the funding behind amusement rides; especially as we haven't seen any mixed use amusement developments for the 21st century. Day dreams of productive agriculture amusement rides of the future.
Yeah, knowing that the biggest most exciting coaster in the world is going to be in a place where I could actually get executed for being gay makes it hard for me to justify getting more emotionally invested in the hobby
Fr. Nobody wants to go there. If it's any consolation, I doubt the ride or the park will ever open. These types of megalomaniac projects in the middle of the desert fail after the slightest serious consideration. Like Dubai's abandoned islands or Jeddah Tower.
I think the scale of this and everything Ryan was saying, proves there will not be another coaster war towards any of these statistics. It seems the engineering has pushed the practical limits in the scale we see at normal parks. I will probably never ride this, but really hope it’s real and functions as planned. Great shit Ryan, thanks!
came here for the block zone analysis lol was not disappointed. i'm excited to see your analysis when we have reviews from real life riders when this opens.
Once again, Ryan, you delivered to us world-class content that has me even more excited than before to ride this masterpiece when it opens. Well done! I look forward to your content uploads more than any other show on any medium. Thank you!!
I think there has to be a line drawn somewhere. There comes a point where some of these coasters are basically skydiving. They don’t all have to be record-breakers.
Amazing video, and it's great to see a realistic look into a coaster that until a month ago I (and probably most of us) had assumed was just going to disappear like they all do. It really makes it feel real when you start getting into the block zones and such. Also, the word you're looking for is not exponentially, it's quadratically. Exponentially would be like if elements had to get 2x as large for every +10 miles per hour, which is very fortunately not the case because you could get to continent-sized coasters before you even get as big as Falcon's Flight.
I hope with this coaster Intamin finally figured out how to make a smooth riding coasters (at least comparable to their competition). It's wild to me even coasters built by them in the last few years have a rattle/vibration issue.
@@24Jetswhy are you commenting everywhere about it being a kiddie coaster? You must be one of those entitled, weird coaster enthusiasts Ryan talks about. I don’t see how this wouldn’t be intense. It’s massive and fast.
@@zachsteiner Okay, you might want to get yourself checked if you can’t figure out that I’m joking. It’s incredibly obvious lol. I do think the coaster will be have a decent amount of intensity, and I’m excited to see it when it opens. I’m not going to argue with you anymore though.
I was 2 trains away from a rollback on velocicoaster. I was in the station when it happened, and though the windows I was how they do it. It was very cool, I wish I got that experience.
It sucks because I will probably never get to ride this, but I hope it's successful so that it could reignite the coaster wars in the US and lead to my annual Cedar Point trip getting even better!
Really nice video and interesting thoughts and insights! One small thing about your elaboration on G forces, speed and radius: If I see it correctly, this is exactly not exponential growth, but quadratical growth (which for sufficiently large inputs is proven to always be less than exponential). It would be exponential if v itself was in the exponent, but not if there is an exponent to v. Thought I'd just mention it after everyone was bombarded with "exponential growth" during Covid a million times 😄
Imagine having to hang out on top of that cliff while the train below "hopefully" completes a successful swing launch that launches it over a 500 ft camelback
21:40 I personally will called those double final brake block setup as "Giga brake run" since B&M is the first one to utilize it on their coaster (ironically because your's other video too) I always put those thing on my NL2 project because I can push more tighter dispatch time without worrying about being set-up. But I do wonder how much cost to implement those extra block assuming there's enough space for it, and why no more coaster utilize that today
i’ve been assuming there’s gonna be a block brake right before the launch up the cliff, where there’s a long section of straight track, instead of right after it during the wave turn, wouldn’t that make more sense and be easier to manage?
It's crazy to think this coasters layout is almost complete, I can't wait for the testing phase, I know they are gonna use Falcons Flight a lot to draw attention to the park and Qiddiya city overall.
Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but when calculating the track radius for vertical Gs - shouldn't this be with +1G as the baseline as that's what riders would experience with no force applied by the coaster? Solving that equation for 1G would be for 1 additional G (so 2G for positive, 0G for negative)
This is correct when the riders are at the crest of the hill with 0 banking where relative to the rider gravity would be acting 90° down, directly opposite to the centripetal force. However, anywhere else on the hill, gravity's force decreases as gravity's direction veers away from the vertical relative to the rider.
What's preventing sand from getting into the bearings and affecting the ride? At best, it'll feel rough, at worst, it'll valley, and I don't see a great way of getting riders down from some of those spots. Even at that, that'd be a demanding walk back to the main park.
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I have to extend a major thank you to my fellow nerds who watch my videos! There are a few things I would like to note regarding this video:
- My math is off in the G-Force/Radius calculations. I forgot to account for the normal force 😬 The radiuses to achieve the G-Forces I discussed are still massive tho!
- I say exponential growth but the correct term is quadratic growth!
Thank you for the feedback everyone. This will all help lead to better videos in the future
Nice. Normal force is the force that the coaster pushes on you which is G force. On the ground you feel one G, Because Fn=Fg. If you are falling or getting floater there is no Normal, IE Zero gs. If you are doing a crazy inversion you have to accelerate towards the middle of the circle which is one of the reasons why you feel the largest force at the bottom. Fn has to be way bigger than Fg to accelerate upwards. 🤙
Block zones, you say? Go on…. 😂 I appreciate your analytical approach to your content; it’s fun and informative.
It's ok, your math is always fuzzy! How did you get your degree..University of Phoenix?
@@robertpolk9910thoughts and prayers over your small peepee
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I think people are underestimating the size of the rollercoaster. Those airtime hills some enthousiasts said to be forceless could be 30 to even 40 meters high. This rollercoaster will be an absolute mammoth. Those support beams will be the width of a train, maybe even thicker.
I think those supports would be akin to nearly the size of a medium shaped nuclear power plant oval circle structures you see at power plants and such, but that's just me.
Nope. If the hill is designed to produce zero-g then the coaster's force on them will be zero if the ride is operating as designed. The worst-case is the coaster STOPPED on the hill, where the force will be simply the weight of the coaster & riders if it stops top center. The worst load will be the weight of the structure itself, so it will need to be thick at the bottom (where there also positive g-loads). The presented appearance of the structure shows this: massive at the bottom, widely-spaced supports at the top.
I always thought the enthusiast hype over TTD rollbacks was stupid, because a rollback on TTD is essentially a normal ride on Superman Escape from Krypton.
By the sound of it, Falcon's Flight rollbacks would be way cooler and give a unique ride experience.
The hype is due to it being incredibly rare. and experiencing the ride two times for the price of one. Superman was designed too, where TTD wasn't designed to every single time, as we obviously know, so the hype comes from first two sentences.
Who wouldn’t want to experience 2 launches just a few moments apart?
@CZsWorld wait wait wait... you're a horror movie expert, baseball fan, AND a roller coaster enthusiast??? What a legend!!
TT2: We have the fastest swing launch!
Falcons Flight on its 14th trouble light for the day: 🥱
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Putting aside the crazy top speed and the shit your pants height, let’s talk about that length. Not only is it gonna beat the previous world record by a significant amount, it also competes with some of the longest mountain coasters in the world, that’s insane. It doesn’t matter if it’s 13,000ft or 14,000ft, it’s an insane length that would’ve been unimaginable even a year ago.
@dyslexicbatnam1350 They have plenty of slave labor to accomplish that.
I didn't know Velocicoaster had the features you highlighted here, like the swing launch to rescue itself and the option to completely stop the train on the first brake run at the end of the ride or continue rolling if unoccupied. This just made Velocicoaster fascinating
I got to ride Velocicoaster for the first time a week and a half ago, and I got to ride it three times. On my second ride, I got the rare opportunity to experience the backwards launch to forward launch to get over the top hat after our train was stalled at that second launch section. 😀
Im glad you mentioned the exponential radius situation with falcons flight. This seems to be the reason for i305 being so intense, as it takes a train going 90mph a long time to clear a 4g turn compared to a train going 50mph like on the megalites.
No one does a coaster break down like El Toro Ryan. Great job dude as always. Merry Christmas to all my fellow Coaster Nerds
I live in Utah where we have those big, red mesas. My immediate impression is that the desert landscape is extremely unstable. Mesas shed rocks and house size boulders all the time. How are they going to prevent erosion from shifting or destroying the coaster?
Run Rebar through it
@@jayking2919 *visions of mountains of rebar*
In the one by ML Designs, the train absolutely hauls over the grand camelback, so even if the rest of the ride is pretty forceless, getting airtime at over 600ft would be insane.
The block timing analysis/speculation at the end of the video, with the triple-cut example showing, is genuinely incredible. Well done. I had a lot of those same situations when building the ride and letting it run; where in basically any operational hiccup, it causes a crazy traffic jam of stacking.
I think the aggressive setup you described checks out in terms of getting the best throughput, but seems to be a bit of a timing gamble between the abort point of launch 3, and the next train on the FBR.
Either way, great vid & analysis as always!
Fantastic technical analysis as always, Ryan!
One minor correction: By default, a LSM stator will not act as a brake if not energized. In fact it will not do anything. A magnet passing by a coil will generate a current in the coil, sure - but if the leads (wires) are left open then nothing will happen. The leads of the LSM need to be either shorted, or more typically, shunted through what's known as a brake resistor, to dissipate the current generated and only then will they act as a brake.
You can think of this in your Tesla as what can happen when coasting - the motors are still spinning when they are not energized, but you are not decelerating or feeling any braking forces unless that current is being shunted somewhere (i.e. regeneration back to the battery pack).
On rides, typically from a safety standpoint the LSM stators are set up in a fail-safe configuration to default to shunting through a braking resistor.
I only mention this because you specifically kept saying that LSM's when de-energized are automatically brakes, but that is not entirely true unless set up with braking resistors and contactors/controls to behave that way.
Thanks for the clarification!
We actually use this trick in the racing quadcopter ("drone") community to diagnose failed motors. If a suspect motor seems to decelerate quickly after you spin it with your fingers, there is likely a short. If a motor with its leads shorted together does not decelerate faster, there is an open or another failure. If the motor is attached to an ESC, the ESC may also be causing the short if it has failed, so the motor must be de-soldered and tested on its own.
@@jackwoodhead Awesome, yeah! The same effect is used with LEGO 9V gear motors; the controller can either brake or float the output. Brake shorts the leads and the motor will have a braking effect. Float opens the circuit and the motor will spin without resistance.
Valleying is exactly the issue I thought of. Big wind gust or something and launch doesn't compensate then all of a sudden theyll need to bust a crane out.
That'll be fun waiting in 120° heat
With something like this, I can imagine that it will probably only operate for a short periods of time between trying to sort out issues like this.
Every megaproject in Saudi Arabia looks like a Kickstarter scam for billionaires.
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Having ridden Formula Rossa, that ride is very intense and definitely gives airtime on those drawn out hills. I have no doubts this ride will give airtime.
The most hilarious coaster video I’ve ever seen was Kimi Raikkonen going on that ride with Vettel and staying completely calm and unfazed the entire ride like it was just another Tuesday (which for those guys it kinda is lol)
@@sonicrose8430 the ride was literally designed around what they do every weekend
Amazing breakdown of a legitimate breakthrough in roller coaster physics. Truly next level stuff, wow. This is why Intamin is the best.
I’m so used to hearing your block zone explanation as a copypasta or meme that hearing it in the video was such a jumpscare lol
This will be the only coaster where the POVs look just as fast as the ride feels in real life.
I always feel like POVs look slower and don’t do the rides justice
@steveo7771286 Exactly. This ride's absolutely ludicrous size and speed may break that tradition.
@@GreenHouse2157 If only I had the budget (and balls) to go to Saudi Arabia. Lol.
@@steveo7771286I almost always watch POV's at 1.5x speed. I think it "feels" a lot closer to the actual ride.
@@Justin.Franks I shall have to try that.
I'm still hypothesizing that sand is going to play a bigger part in being an x-factor than is anticipated. The obvious is with the reliability of all of the LSMs and electronics, but there are couple of others. One is with the windshields. They will need to be replaced/repolished regularly as the windy climate and high speeds will end up sandblasting them and decreasing visibility leading to guest complaints (I also think that they will still ultimately have to implement goggles for riders). The other is a friction thing. A thin coating of sand on the tracks will reduce the available friction making the wheels less efficient in pushing the train forward and requiring more energy to maintain speed and momentum to carry the trains around the track thus increasing the potential of valleying and decreasing the overall top speed achieved. Magic Eightball says there might be a lot of Space Mountain-esque cascading in this ride's future depending on how the block zones are established.
Good observation
Is sand an issue for the other roller coasters in this region, specifically the really quick ones?
@@manifestgtr the closest the middle east has to this is formula rossa. No major issue has sprung up with the massive coaster related to sand as of yet
@@manifestgtr I don't know specifically, but given the size and scope of this one, things aren't aren't as affecting on smaller coasters will hit this one differently. Part of my statement comes from a story a friend who used to work as a mechanic for Lufthansa had about them being commissioned to do maintenance on two planes from Egypt Air. He was surprised the planes were actually still able to fly because of the sand they collected. And for me, working in a shop in a city surrounded by desert lands, the floors have to be swept regularly because they become like sheets of ice with the sand/dust every day. Windshield observation comes from my own stint building airplane canopies/windows in an aerospace facility. And depending on what the actual material is, if they get washed with the wrong cleanser they'll craze and fog up permanently. No amount of re-polishing will take care of it.
@@psychopompinc.646
That was a *huge* issue for airbus’ a350 program. It might’ve been Emirates who passed on an order worth BILLIONS because there was an issue with the airplanes’ engines and the climate. Hot and dusty with these particular engines was gonna require some extra amount of maintenance that the airline just wasn’t willing to spend. It was a huge bump in the road for an otherwise super capable airliner.
"From my understanding, Intamin follows ASTM's G-force limitations"
I305 in 2010:
Actually, in most countries, manufacturers are obliged to follow standards like the ASTM, since these are adopted in local legislation. The precise standard is dependent on the country: ASTM F2291 in the US, EN13814 in Europe or GB8408 in China for example. Although I'm not sure which standard is used in Saudi-Arabia, most standards are very similar. Therefore, the assumption that Intamin follows ASTM's G-force limitations, is very reasonable.
I got inside sources that they’re actually building clones of this coaster, and here’s where they’re going:
Antarctica
North Korea
Venus
Genovia
Area 51
🤣 all places no one wants to go
@@sarah.weaver speak for yourself i’d love to visit genovia
All top tourist destinations and great places to take the family!!! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
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I really love these more engineering-focused videos because we get to hear your insight into the design as both a roller-coaster nerd _and_ an engineer. 👍
As a fellow engin-nerd I'll be interested to understand the design decisions, construction & maintenance challenges given the extreme environmental conditions they will have to deal with... you have crazy temperature variations, extremely dry subsoil, those good old sandblasting duststorms, etc.
I presume they are going to have to come up with some new tech for cooling & lubricating systems, and given Intamin will have few of the usual budgetary & other constraints it's going to be really interesting to see what solutions they come up with
The coaster has 1 fatal flaw…. Its in Saudi Arabia
Yeah and if you are a woman or LGBTQ+, you'll probably not even allowed to ride.
@@tofucourierlmao us lgbtq folks wont be allowed off the plane 🙃
As opposed to the totally safe USA...
@@Macdaddyman Nobody is claiming that the US is perfect, but being queer is certainly far more dangerous in the Emirates than it is in the west.
@MrPatrickbuit yes but for everyone else, the US is more dangerous. The stats for the US are cooked
I love your nerdy content. It's right up my alley, as a coaster enthusiast math nerd. I think a lot of the criticisms of this project comes from a place of knowing how difficult it will be to ride this. It's a tough thought that we could spend tons of money, navigate a very different culture, only to find the coaster closed during our visit for maintenance issues. We don't want it to be very good, in order to make it alright that we won't be riding it. Even though I've had those thoughts, I do think it will be an incredible ride.
Thank you so much for this video, I love how you analyze things and also love when you say “we shouldn’t assume how the coaster will ride until people can ride it.” Love your channel
Absolutely stellar video! I love the breakdown, the physics equations, the block zones, the theoretical capacity! I had a blast watching!
WAKE UP BABE ELTORORYAN UPLOADED!!!
And merry Christmas Eltororyan and everyone else
@@itsryno532merry Christmas Eve to you too :)
Ah sweet my wife and I aren't the only ones turned on by block zones
What's wrong babe? You've barely touched your ElToroRyan Coaster Theory Upload.
Ryan, why don’t you apply and become part of Intamin’s North America group? I’m sure you could wind up being a valuable asset in one or more of their divisions; I’m a major fan of what they’ve accomplished and wish I could be employed there
My main concern with this ride is with the maintenance people that have to check this ride for safety every day. Walking ~6 miles roundtrip and scaling a cliff surface every morning, to check to make sure that the track and supports are in good shape? The maintenance team for this ride would be excessive and split into several areas. Coasters of a "regular" size already have a lengthy daily maintenance routine, and with this project, that time easily doubles due to the length and scale of this ride. Plus the additional drive up the cliff to check the track and supports up there (although, that section of track does experience less stress, so maybe that's not as much of a concern). Not to mention, the mechanics need climbing gear in their toolbox to check the support integrity on the cliff face and make sure the water-cooling system for the LSMs (which is new tech that is crucial to proper operations, so definitely should be looked at regularly) is up to shape.
It's not like they can avoid this maintenance either, with the conditions and forces this ride is enduring. If they weren't checking the integrity of a 150+ MPH, 600+ ft tall, 13,000+ ft long ride on a daily basis, and then invited the public? Yikes. I'm going to hope that, if this ride does reach the operations stage, FF is only open on special occasions due to the intense maintenance routine, but that would mean that SFQ just burned hundreds of millions of dollars for very little return. Good payday for Intamin at least, lol. Maybe their tourism board is willing to spend huge amounts of money to pay a team that big daily... or worse, maybe they're not, but they still run the ride anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for innovation and love seeing Intamin take on challenges and knock them out of the park, but I hope this project fails in the long run. It's more excessive than innovative, and still has many unknowns regarding SF Qiddiya's operations that have not been addressed (i mean, they haven't even built the rest of the park yet!). I'm not holding my breath on this project.
Drones like they are now going to do at carowinds because everyone freaked out when that support broke on fury would be my gess. They over build these things im sure fury could of operated with that broken support for awhile if social media and the news didnt over react. just a speculation.
> "I hope this project fails"
um wtf
@@Coolsomeone234 ok fine, maybe that's a bit strong, but there's no way this project turns out to be a success in any practical sense for SFQ's longevity, especially for the price tag of this project.
@@ken97531 Drones are a possibility, but it'll still take a long time to check track integrity since you have to inspect 13,000+ ft of track. Plus, drones are limited to a maximum height of 400 feet according to various international laws, so unless SFQ gets a special exemption, maintenance crews will still have to climb up the cliff face and the 600 ft hill for inspections.
Say they do get the drone height limit exemption, though. The park would have to get multiple drone operators to have any sore of reasonable timeframe, since you'll have to account for the drone's battery life, both in flying and transmitting high quality footage to the operator to check for cracks or defects. I don't know too much about how Carrowinds pulls off their drone inspections, but if they can pull it off, then it only becomes an issue of magnitude for FF, and a very serious order of magnitude at that.
EDIT: Saudi Arabia has very heavy regulation on drone use, and they limit drone height to 150 meters, which is higher than the standard limit, but still not high enough.
It's in Saudi Arabia, dude. The maintenance people will do those checks every day because they won't have a choice.
I'll be fascinated by the ElToroRyan problematic coasters video on Falcons flight once it opens 😂😂
I will be shocked if this thing ever opens. I’m shocked they’ve broken ground!
If I had a penny for every arab megalomaniac project that ends up abandoned because not only is it in the middle of the freaking desert and nobody but the superich wants to go the, but the project itself is a gigantic mess that was born because some moronic arab prince just kept saying "bigger" in the conference room to the point of an engineering feat being obscenely impractical I'd be as rich as an arab prince myself.
Well, a majority of the coaster has been built at this point. It’s far enough along that I think it’s going to happen
@@samplautz5586 like that one time when you replied to a seven-month-old comment?
I'm Saudi and it will be open in q3 of next year 2025 with aquarabia water park . Then Dragon ball theme park will open after that. U r welcome 🇸🇦
I feel like something is bound to go wrong we have never seen a ride of this scale before.
Good god maintaining this thing when it’s built and opened is gonna be one hell of a task
Yeah yeah, but it's in Saudi Arabia, and that place is a bit crud, and it isn't on the list of places I'd ever want to go
I feel like the way Saudi is going all out on a lot of developments they are gonna push some of the lines to make it as extreme as possible
Six flags should really start by taking care of the parks that they already have. In Montreal, La Ronde has really had a serious downgrade in the quality of the attractions that it offers this last decade. It seriously needs investment. Its a real shame that they took a park with so much history and just allowed it to rot.
Great Adventure and New England are both shells of their former selves. Service, ride maintenance, and quality are all garbage and prices have shot up. I know Cedar Fair just bought out Six flags, but I really hope they turn those parks around. I'd rather save up to go to a big destination park than go to either of those parks in their current state.
Bro really made the next problematic rollercoasters before the ride opened.
Sometimes I click videos before seeing the creator and then when I hear “for those who don’t know, a block zone…” I’m like AH, YES. ElToro!
This is a top 3 ElToroRyan video of all time😭 I loved it so much. Intamin is crazy for taking this project
Merry Christmas Ryan! Hope you have a great holiday with the family!
i wonder how the high speed rollback would feel with the glass curved in such a way to "cup" the wind when the train goes backwards, that seems like it would slow down quite a lot
Why do I keep getting excited for a roller coaster that I will never be able to ride?
Ryan, great video as always. Did you mean perplexing around the 3rd launch introduction around 8:40? I'm a recovering architect, current construction estimator, and lifetime coaster idiot. It's interesting to talk about the funding behind amusement rides; especially as we haven't seen any mixed use amusement developments for the 21st century. Day dreams of productive agriculture amusement rides of the future.
lol yes I meant perplexing 😅 and thank you!
I'm just frustrated WHERE this is being built. Basically somewhere most people would be completely unwilling to visit(especially us ladies.)
Yeah, knowing that the biggest most exciting coaster in the world is going to be in a place where I could actually get executed for being gay makes it hard for me to justify getting more emotionally invested in the hobby
@@softreynawomp womp fairy boy
Fr. Nobody wants to go there. If it's any consolation, I doubt the ride or the park will ever open. These types of megalomaniac projects in the middle of the desert fail after the slightest serious consideration. Like Dubai's abandoned islands or Jeddah Tower.
Why? The country is literally safer than the US.
You are more than welcome to come as a lady and nothing will happen to you.
I think the scale of this and everything Ryan was saying, proves there will not be another coaster war towards any of these statistics. It seems the engineering has pushed the practical limits in the scale we see at normal parks. I will probably never ride this, but really hope it’s real and functions as planned. Great shit Ryan, thanks!
Merry Christmas. What an insane ride.
Nah, this is like Gadgets Go Coaster. It’s a kiddie ride.
Love your video's Ryan. Very informative! Thanks for all the work you put in!
came here for the block zone analysis lol was not disappointed. i'm excited to see your analysis when we have reviews from real life riders when this opens.
Once again, Ryan, you delivered to us world-class content that has me even more excited than before to ride this masterpiece when it opens. Well done! I look forward to your content uploads more than any other show on any medium. Thank you!!
Love every video of yours but this is one of the best! Thanks!
this coaster is only for hard core super enthusiasts with deep pockets.
another incredible video by the legend himself! Great Job Ryan!
I think there has to be a line drawn somewhere. There comes a point where some of these coasters are basically skydiving. They don’t all have to be record-breakers.
Amazing video, and it's great to see a realistic look into a coaster that until a month ago I (and probably most of us) had assumed was just going to disappear like they all do. It really makes it feel real when you start getting into the block zones and such.
Also, the word you're looking for is not exponentially, it's quadratically. Exponentially would be like if elements had to get 2x as large for every +10 miles per hour, which is very fortunately not the case because you could get to continent-sized coasters before you even get as big as Falcon's Flight.
I think it would be cool to see a operations video for Falcons flight like you did with big thunder mountain railroad
I hope with this coaster Intamin finally figured out how to make a smooth riding coasters (at least comparable to their competition). It's wild to me even coasters built by them in the last few years have a rattle/vibration issue.
Totalne szaleństwo. Dziękuje za film
I wonder how intense the rides going to be
Honestly doesn’t look that intense, this is like a kiddie coaster
@@24Jetswhy are you commenting everywhere about it being a kiddie coaster? You must be one of those entitled, weird coaster enthusiasts Ryan talks about. I don’t see how this wouldn’t be intense. It’s massive and fast.
@@zachsteiner Okay, you might want to get yourself checked if you can’t figure out that I’m joking. It’s incredibly obvious lol. I do think the coaster will be have a decent amount of intensity, and I’m excited to see it when it opens. I’m not going to argue with you anymore though.
@@24Jets Pretty hard to tell someone is joking through written words 🤷♂️ and some people really get like that with coasters
I think it will be mediocre, it’s no i305 but it looks fun and enjoyable.
Great video eltororyan and merry Christmas dude
I was 2 trains away from a rollback on velocicoaster. I was in the station when it happened, and though the windows I was how they do it. It was very cool, I wish I got that experience.
why the hell did the windows error at 18:00 jump scare me lmfao
It sucks because I will probably never get to ride this, but I hope it's successful so that it could reignite the coaster wars in the US and lead to my annual Cedar Point trip getting even better!
Yeah nah - the coaster wars ain't coming back over speed or height. And good riddance, tbh.
Okay, who is building the RCT3 dream coaster IRL?
What an insane layout! I'm a junior coaster enthusiast but my god do I wanna ride this beast already. Great analysis!
Really nice video and interesting thoughts and insights! One small thing about your elaboration on G forces, speed and radius: If I see it correctly, this is exactly not exponential growth, but quadratical growth (which for sufficiently large inputs is proven to always be less than exponential). It would be exponential if v itself was in the exponent, but not if there is an exponent to v. Thought I'd just mention it after everyone was bombarded with "exponential growth" during Covid a million times 😄
You’re right! Thanks for pointing that out
@@ElToroRyan Cheers mate, keep it up! And have a great Christmas (provided it falls into your cultural background)
@@justlynch7381 thanks! You have a great Christmas as well!
Imagine having to hang out on top of that cliff while the train below "hopefully" completes a successful swing launch that launches it over a 500 ft camelback
Have a Merry Christmas Ryan
21:40 I personally will called those double final brake block setup as "Giga brake run" since B&M is the first one to utilize it on their coaster (ironically because your's other video too)
I always put those thing on my NL2 project because I can push more tighter dispatch time without worrying about being set-up. But I do wonder how much cost to implement those extra block assuming there's enough space for it, and why no more coaster utilize that today
Both B&M and Intamin have used this style of block setup well before the first B&M giga.
@@danlastname9002 Which one? The one that can go full speed on first brake run block
No, not Millennium Force. Those first brake is only trim brake
The editing on the swing launch theory was phenomenal! Creative and perfectly executed!
My mind says "Hell yeah!!!", but my inner ear says "WTF??"
it will be wild if this actually opens to the public and is functional
The thing’s almost halfway built. That’ll be a heck of a waste of money if it never opens.
@@RobCartwright*Glances as Ryugyong Hotel* yeah… who would ever waste that kind of money… 🙃
Woke up on Christmas morning. Came up in my subscription page. Thanks!
I could see someone try to make the worlds tallest freestanding coaster since falcons flight needs help to reach its top height
Best Christmas eve ever!🎉
I'd also like to point out a minuscule fraction of the coaster enthusiast community are world class engineers who do this for a living
and it's funny when the non world class engineers act like they know everything
I'm seriously gonna fly out there and ride this thing... same year as opening, just need to see it test and im there
“For those of you who are unfamiliar with block zones”
Zero of us are unfamiliar with block zones
i’ve been assuming there’s gonna be a block brake right before the launch up the cliff, where there’s a long section of straight track, instead of right after it during the wave turn, wouldn’t that make more sense and be easier to manage?
It's crazy to think this coasters layout is almost complete, I can't wait for the testing phase, I know they are gonna use Falcons Flight a lot to draw attention to the park and Qiddiya city overall.
Merry Christmas, Ryan!
12:20 what we all came for 🖤
There's nothing like opening a gift on the 25th by tapping a button leading to another great ETR analysis vid! Thank you so much!
I think the airtime is going to be like the type in zero G flights since the duration of the space and the shape/ height from those large elements.
The biggest risk is traveling there in the first place.
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I've thought about this a lot and have decided that the credit is worth the hate crime
whomp whomp creds a cred
Saudi Arabia is safer than most American cities.
@@fadbob_ Riding rides just for "credits" is dumb
Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but when calculating the track radius for vertical Gs - shouldn't this be with +1G as the baseline as that's what riders would experience with no force applied by the coaster? Solving that equation for 1G would be for 1 additional G (so 2G for positive, 0G for negative)
This is correct when the riders are at the crest of the hill with 0 banking where relative to the rider gravity would be acting 90° down, directly opposite to the centripetal force. However, anywhere else on the hill, gravity's force decreases as gravity's direction veers away from the vertical relative to the rider.
Falcons Flight's 640 ft airtime hill is basically Saudi Arabia's Gateway Arch
My absolute dream would be to get a swing launch at the bottom of Falcon's Flight
That would be fkn awesome
Is this going to be a complete disaster? I don't think this coaster will be operational very long.
You do good research.
After this is operational they will have to schedule special ERT with an included self-rescue.
Coaster nerds will demand it.
12:19 best part of the video by far
Ryan, you're part of the reason why I love nerds so much.
There's only one place that would build a coaster like this and I don't know if I'll see that place in this life😩
What's preventing sand from getting into the bearings and affecting the ride? At best, it'll feel rough, at worst, it'll valley, and I don't see a great way of getting riders down from some of those spots. Even at that, that'd be a demanding walk back to the main park.
are you going to travel there when it opens?
Isn't SA famous for starting mega projects that fail at some point?
It's a shame it would be rarely possible to visit that park comfortably. Go in the winter or it's too hot.
0:01 not quite all records. The Smiler
The only ones that matter are speed height and length
He forgot the “most inconvenient location” record
@@Toydota if u believe that u don't know anything apart coasters
@@Lincolnshire7 those are the main ones. It would be impossible to break every record with one coaster
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Yikes I think the way its designed with almost no curves to resist some of that kinetic energy would make it insane.
This roller coaster is too ambitious. They’re definitely gonna close it down shortly after opening to change the layout or add trim breaks.
Me: haven’t been on a coaster in 10 years.
Me: oo neat new coaster vid 😊.
10 years? Why so long? You should go back on them
Christmas came early!!!!!
If I uploaded that coaster to planet coaster, all of the comments would state lack of realism. Ridiculous.