Problematic Roller Coasters - Magnum XL-200 @ Cedar Point - The Original Hyper Roller Coaster
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2020
- Magnum XL-200 is an absolute CLASSIC and has operated at the Cedar Point Amusement Park since May of 1989. The ride opened as the world's first hyper roller coaster which is a coaster that stands over 200 feet (61 meters) tall. In this video, I discuss my thoughts on the ride as well as an in depth dive at the technical and operational aspects of Magnum!
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Sorry! There’s a typo at 25:30. It should read 43 Trains/Hour * 36 Riders/Train = 1,548 Riders/Hour! I hope you guys enjoy the video and thanks for watching!
Hey Ryan. Can you talk about a good park for solo guests? Or maybe some tips? I haven't been on a coaster in forever and miss it. But I can't convince any of my friends to travel. Thanks.
👍🏻 Awesome video Ryan, loving the 'problematic' series
and if I had a Magnum ride manual it would probably say that its only 39 trips per hour (which might be more because the dispatch times would show it having about 41 trains) lowering it even further because apparently consing messed with the lift speed when they re-reprogramed it... I mean theoretically if I did have that manual
I remember being stacked in the final approach of Iron Dragon for like 20+ minutes as something was happening in the station with the people on the previous car. The first time I rode Blue Streak I left the station with no restraints. I tried desperately to get it buckled and tightened which of course didn't happen before the top of the lift hill. I remember wedging my feet up under the seat in front of me to hold myself in the best I could. Those negative gs almost knocked me out. Looking down on the top of a telephone pole really lets you know just how high up you are!
You should have been a coaster engeneer
As an overweight person myself, I cannot imagine arguing with staff who said I couldn't safely ride. That's crazy. They have restrictions for a reason.
I guess some people think they can hold down the harness throughout the ride which is insane. -1 g of force sends your entire body weight into the harness which I imagine would be difficult to hold down
@@joeeckroth2932especially if you aren’t exactly physically fit
I remember a ride operator at cedar point was worried about me riding corkscrew becase I was too big to fit in the seat so he told me I couldn’t ride I didn’t argue I just said ok
Right? As an abnormally short person, I feel the same way. If a ride operator tells me I’m too short to ride, I might be disappointed or embarrassed, but I’ll get off the ride! It’s obviously a safety issue and a roller coaster isn’t worth dying over!
I think it's an embarrassment issue for most people. Can't imagine being sent away for being too big while hundreds of people are staring is terribly fun. Happened to a friend once, and now he never want to visit a theme park with me again...
I was one of magnums ride mechanics for 3 years, its honestly on of the more reliable coasters in the park. sure it has little hiccups now and then, but all in all its a solid ride!
This dudes a ride op, most don't take his technical aspects too seriously 😂
"I wouldn't call Maverick a problematic roller coaster, and Magnum-XL 200 wasn't either. This series is more to discuss the quirks of roller coasters, and the name problematic roller coasters sounds way better than roller coaster quirks, at least to me"- Ryan in his Maverick video
I don't think maintenance really needs to worry about downtime for Arrow coasters, since they operate almost 95% of the time ~~ S&S providing necessary parts probably helps you guys too 😊👍 Kudos to parks who have Arrow coasters and can still maintain them to this day. 👍👍
@@jackkelso4877 He’s also an engineer, so I’d be careful throwing stones when you think you have this guy all figured out.
What do you think happened to TTD on 8/15/21?
Its funny to see you mention larger riders. I have been going to Cedar Point for decades. I remember showing up the year they added the seat at the entrance to the lines of certain rides to see if the seat belt would latch properly. It was a wake up call for me when I could no longer get on my favorite rides. I lost 40 lbs that winter just so I could get back on the rides.
Sir, you dripped this 👑
That is amazing
It took a roller coaster to make you realize you were fat and not a mirror? Lol jk!!! Good for you for actually realizing (who cares how and or when you did realize) that you need to make a change in lifestyle and habits. Congratulations! Most people today, especially here in the US just make excuses so that way they don't need to take responsibility and accountability of/for themselves...
The ride ops won't immediately tell you you're too fat, but the ride sure will
lol
Or too tall. If these trains are pretty much Arrow mine train trains, then they're probably pretty tight on legroom. I physically cannot fit on Arrow Mine Trains like Carolina Goldrusher due to my height and leg length, and it's possible it's the same situation with Magnum.
I'm pretty fat, and believe it or not, being able to ride Millenium and Magnum is my motivation to keep my weight down, for real
@@VestedUTuber same thing on coasters like Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster. If your head goes too far above the headrest, whiplash is a real concern on launch
Not fitting on a roller coaster was my motivation to lose weight. My reward was to go to Cedar Point to celebrate when I got close to my goal. I’m close to my goal but it’s not worth it to go this year because of everything going on right now.
Interesting video. I worked at the park in 1978 and '79 (yeah, I'm old now), when Gemini was first opened. At that point the park had no more than six coasters, so obviously every one was heavily used, but a big day, like July 4th weekend, was around 30-35,000 total park attendance, which meant the park would stay open until 11 pm. That only happened three or four weekends a season. Gemini was the furthest out, and they opened a new midway walkway to get to it and an additional crossing for the railroad, which is where I worked. They had more than a few teething problems with Gemini, it didn't open I think until June of '78. It took a long time for the wheel bearings to wear in, and the test trains, even weighted down with sandbags, often got hung up about 2/3, 3/4 of the way through the ride. As we ran the train around you could watch the testing over the course of a day. The speed brake on the first return curve wasn't there for probably the first 10 years of the ride's existence, until the wheel bearings really wore in. BTW, and you may know this, it's possible to control the speed of a roller coaster train through the weight (thickness) of the oil in the wheel bearings. The thinner the oil the faster it goes.
Anyway, a few days before the official opening of Gemini, they put the word out that any employees who wanted to could help test ride it as many times as they wanted for several hours. When I got off the day shift on the train I went over and rode it 9 or 10 times in a row, from every position on a train, and on both trains. Gemini has always been a sentimental favorite of mine partly for that reason, and also because it's generally a very smooth ride.
In this era, the vast majority of park employees were regional college students, and most stayed in employee housing. They were also heavily fraternity and sorority members, who really, really knew how to, and liked to "party hearty". This was the 70's, and a lot of them were pretty much like the gang from the "That 70's Show". There was no random testing, or limits on alcohol in employee housing, or rules about sexual harassment. Some of supervision partied almost as hard as the seasonal staff. Oh, and "Animal House" came out the first Summer I was there, so there were also toga parties and other stunts. It was pretty wide open.
I relate this to set up my story about the Gemini. The second season I was there, 1979, as an engineer on the railroad, the crews of Gemini and the railroad came up with a little bet. When it first opened, Gemini was a female-operated ride, as was the Mine Ride. (They changed the Mine Ride eventually to a male-operated ride because there was too much long-distance flirting going on between the male engine crews on the railroad and the mine ride girls when the trains went by). So the Gemini ride operations girls and the train station/conductor girls (there were no male station/conductors in that era, and no female engine crew, ever) cooked up a "totals race" between the two rides for a busy Saturday. As your video said, when the ride first opened, Gemini could handle up to about 40K riders/day. Well 40 years ago the CP&LE was the most patronized ride in the park. I believe the single year record was something like 3 million, nearly as much as some commuter railroads haul in a year (I understand it's still the 5th highest patronized ride). We regularly operated three trains at a time during peak hours. Could not begin to do that now, they sold the oldest train set over 20 years ago, and don't have six operable engines anymore. During the week, one train is the standard operating practice. We were really "turning and burning" 40 years ago. One train always had to be in motion between stations to operate three trains simultaneously.
The bet was for a keg of beer. Both ride crews kept very careful track of the turn style ridership totals the entire day. I don't remember whether it was an 11 pm closing day or not, since I just about always worked first shift. That day went by faster than just about any other work day I have ever had. We made about the quickest station stops you can imagine, and pushed the speed limit of the trains as well. At the end of it, the mighty CP&LE bested the Gemini in ridership for the keg, and honor. I don't know what the final tally was, but we may have exceeded 40K riders. I don't drink, but I was into the spirit of the competition, and I no longer remember whether or not I was at the party with the keg, but I had fun helping win it.
Thanks for the story.
Thanks for the awesome and detailed story, cheers!
People back then had more fun and fewer hang ups than people today.
Interesting story and very cool to read thanks!
when Ryan is 1,000,000 times more productive during quarantine
He can’t go to parks. Nor do a lot of things he wants to do
@@coasteraddict_ Well seasonal parks like Cedar Point wouldn't be open yet anyhow.
ReinCoasterAddict yeah but during this time he has been planning a wedding as well.
Oft... burrrn
Ryan: "The original Hyper Roller Coaster"
TOGO: *cries in Bandit*
bandit wasn't a hyper. a drop in the middle of the ride went really low, making the lowest point and the highest point over 200 ft.
I mean if TOGO built Bandit over 200 feet tall the drop in the middle would make it a Giga.
Meisho: cries in moonsault scramble
It is the roller coaster tycoon OG
@@maxtanner2840 Rider: blackouts at 6.5G
"You conquered the Magnum, now capture the moment"
"I need a doctor.."
a hip doctor
A neck doctor
i hope Magnum sticks around for a long time, it’s one of my favorite coasters at Cedar Point. I didn’t even know the tracks are hand-made but it does feel really unique
All Arrows up until 1999 were all hand bent 👍👍~~ I love Arrow coasters for their old classic rough feel~~
It's such a shame they went bankrupt. Nothing but love for Intamin and B&M is my favorite, but Arrow is the quintessential steel roller coaster look and feel for me.
One of my favorite coasters at cedar point and it starts from the start with that slow climb up that hill. Love it and I honestly felt its always a smooth ride and a very fun ride the whole way.
With ceder point wanting to keep building new I'm a little concerned for the sac of Gemini and maxnum.
I dunno. Finally made it to CP for the 1st time. Of all the rides Magnum disappointed me the most, and it's such a shame because it is a really fun ride, but at a cost - especially the bunny hills, they're just painful. Not a lot, but I have ridden coasters for decades. I was so blown away by the silky smoothness of SV I truly felt RMC had built the perfect coaster. So, in comparison, this thing hurt. Perhaps different restraints or different trains might help? It's difficult for me to imagine it used to be much worse. Again, I loved the ride, and it probably would be one of my favorites at the park, in the top 2 or 3, if I didn't feel like I'd been gut punched along the way.
No one’s going to talk about the classic 80s music being played in the background? Ok then
I love that it’s just there
Sounds like Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire".
A-Ha - Take on me
Men at Work - Down Under
David Bowie - Let's Dance
Ray Parker Jr. - Ghostbusters
Berlin - Take My Breath Away
It seems like the video used only instrumental versions and I couldn't recognize the last track.
Rock and roller coaster wars, I can't take it anymore
Its a nice subtle touch - props to the editor
I remember going to cedar point back in the early 2000s with my best friend, his older brother and one of his friends. There was absolutely no one riding Magnum that day so we decided to ride it about three or four times in a row in rapid succession. After hitting those little bunny hills and the tunnels at the end that many times I'm pretty sure all of us thought we would never have kids because the lap bar literally crushed our junk due to the excessive airtime lol
The trains look straight outta back to the future
I live in Cleveland, Oh and this is still my fave coaster in Ohio other than Millennium Force although I miss Geauga Lake
I was gonna compare it to star wars ships!
@@flyingveda I think My Favorite thing about Magnum is the Lift hill rollback clicking, to me that makes me happy, but my favorite is Rougarou and Millennium
@@drliam0668 I agree on the clicking. Millennium is awesome bc right by the water and that music kills me. The anticipation!
Dr Liam06 I call rougarou rougarough, It banged me up real bad. :/
Yo EltoroRyan can you make a problematic roller coaster video about my relationships?
Sure! Just let me know how many block zones there are!
@@ElToroRyan Id estimate they add one more to the track every week actually
@@ElToroRyan The biggest block zone is the friend zone.
One of the most impactful coasters ever made, also a personal favorite of mine.
Mine too
100%, one of my favorites as well
Yeah it’s nothing special by today’s standards
It’s sooo good, it’s even sweeter cause it usually has a sort line
@@kevinthompson6986 you're nothing special by today's standards
God I love magnum... and props to not being afraid to talking about the slow increase of the size of riders
The Ride Analyst when I went there literally was no line at all
😂😂😂 S L O W I N C R E A S E
@@disasterexperiments493 lmao
Not his fault that people eat like pigs. It’s fair to point them out.
"Whenever this double Sicko Mode virus ends..." 🤣 That caught me so off-guard I almost spat out my drink, lol.
I never get tired of you telling me how block zones work lol. Seriously though, another great video! Keep em coming!!
Ryan’s really coming for us obese cell phone using people 😬
PaRk GuEsTs ArE gEtTiNg sLoW aNd FaT ! MiLLeNiaLs ArE aLwAyS oN ThEiR PhOnEs NoWaDaYs !
lol XD
Krista is he wrong doe 😳🤔
@@mynameiskrysta that but unironically, as a ride op you constantly have to tell people to put their phone in a secure place, or heaven forbid they pull it out on the lift hill and you are forced to shut the ride down... people like this slow the rides down all the time
@@Cosmic_Cretin YOu have no idea how much I wanna kick those people out of the line
The world’s tallest coaster started the coaster wars and the world’s tallest coaster ended them.
Logically, wouldn’t that be expected?
It was mostly the economic crash of 08 of think
@@averagejoe6031 I feel like its a combination of diminishing returns (a slightly taller coaster for the sake of a record doesnt really make for a more fun coaster - see Kingda Ka) for the amount the rides cost, as well as rides like Maverick & manufacturers like RMC showing that you can make an unbelievably fun ride without going 400 feet in the air.
Mark Shull that’s true as well. I think the crash forced the industry to spend less and because of that they found that they could make smaller but more intense and creative rides rather that sheer stats.
I think maverick ended the coaster wars. it should parks that a good and popular roller coaster doesn’t need to be tall.
Getting distracted by your phone at an amusement park is like reading a book in a movie theater.
Magnum is not just my favorite coaster at Cedar Point -- it's my favorite coaster in the world! I'm sure it's not objectively the best anymore, not even at the park, but it will always be the most special to me. I've completed almost 250 laps in 20 years of riding it (I started in 2001... I was 8!), and I still get a kick out of every airtime moment. Also, a night ride on this thing after a hot summer day? Transcendental. It takes me back to some of my most cherished memories.
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Could you imagine discovering yourself waddling down the street in one of those news clips about obesity where they crop the faces out of the people in public they use as an example while they talk about the "Battle of the Bulge". Talk about instant depression. Great video ElToroRyan, I learned more about Magnum from this than everything else I've learned about it combined before seeing this. you send it every time with your well thought out videos!
There's an article online called "Headless Fatties" by Dr. Charlotte Cooper in which she talks about these images that circulate. Almost all of those photos are taken without the person's knowledge or consent and its just gross and dehumanizing.
Yeah I don’t see how that’s going to help anyone. That would make someone give up more than ever.
You're killing with the in-depth analysis. The fact you worked at two of the most premier parks in the country are adding a layer of complexity nobody is bringing to this hobby. I remember reading about this coaster in 'Boys Life' 30 years ago when I lived in Memphis, TN. I now live in the Cleveland area. I can always invite friends and family to the area because of Cedar Point and I love it. Good job. Keep up the great work!!! You're getting a comment and a like. I rarely give that out.👍💯
Best chance of a trimless ride is Last Ride Of The Day I've heard. Apparently Cedar Point operators are often pleased that you "chose" their ride before finishing off your day.
So get in line at closing time and cross your fingers.
“Larger riders” - That’s what that life-size seat at the start of the queue is for. It’s not a photo op. It’s to save YOU and everyone else a lot of time.
Moat fat people make/use excuses for being fat, rather than acting like an adult and take accountability and responsibility.Also, just need to stop being lazy! Lol
I'll preface this by saying that I haven't been to CP since 2016, so I haven't been on Steel Vengeance. But Magnum is my all-time favorite coaster. I'm sure nostalgia plays a role, as I first rode it in 1991, and was just tall enough to ride. It was terrifying in the greatest way possible lol. And you described here all of the reasons why I love it. You'll never mistake a ride on the XL-200 for any other ride. It has its own personality, and is still a thrill ride.
Also regarding the old gemini 6 train days, near the end of 6 train there was a position at Cbrakes just so they could clear setups!
Ayy I was scrolling through looking for a comment by you
I was pretty young when I rode the Magnum and its a wild experience. I barely remember the second or third hill and even with the trim breaks I was whipped into my dad. But after the initial insanity the final hills are pure fun but we got setup out of the final tunnel so that was another rough whip and some wait.
Go drink some base liquids
“The” magnum?
@@final3119 *T H E*
@@olileoli2788 t r i g g e r e d
Love how you're willing to tell it how it is regarding riders. There's two sides to successful operations!
It's honestly pretty simple and easy to not be fat and to actually be in shape and strong ha. Most today, especially Americans (lol) are just lazy people who refuse to take accountability and responsibility and love to make/use excuses because than they don't have to be forced to know its their own damn fault.
I just subbed to your channel recently for your “Problematic Roller Coaster” series specifically, your videos are awesome, man. Keep up the great content!
I find it fascinating how Gemini operated when it ran 3 trains, it seemed like a blast to operate it back then.
The operating goal for Gemini (along with a lot of the older Arrow Coasters) was for there to be at least one train on the course at all times. So let’s say that the Crest of the lift hill is point A, and the final break run is point B, and we ignore the safety breaks. The goal was for there to be one or more trains between A and B. This is why in a lot of old videos of Gemini you’ll see a train drop off the lift hill while the train in front of it is still going through the final bunny hills. I just thought that was fascinating.
ElToroRyan: Warning - Some people may be too lame to enjoy the following information
Magnum XL-200: Get to the Point
I've ridden 4 roller coasters in my life because they terrify me, all at Disney World when I was 16, but your videos have inspired me. I've decided to get over my fear by going to my local park, Six Flags over Georgia, and riding every coaster there once it reopens.
Nicholas Barnard go to cedar point you won’t be disappointed
Once you're hooked you'll never look back
Good lick with the RMC!
I know this is very old, but I hope it went well!
I rode this on opening day 1989, it was cold and even snowed a little bit...so worth it. This post was well put together and very informative I didn't know they made alterations to the tracks, thanks ELToroRyan
I rode this around 2004 and thought it was incredible. Especially considering, at the time, I waited forever to ride Millennium Force and TTD. A great bang for your buck ride.
The bit about the different feel of this coaster vs modern coasters, I really feel it. It breaks my heart at all the wooden coaster conversions that really take away the true grit of the wooden coaster. It's their charm! Hybrid coasters are fine and all, and have their own merits and their place, but if all the old school wooden coasters are converted, people in the future just won't get what makes them special.
It did overshoot the last brake run in the rain and caused a collision. I have a picture somewhere... Only minor injuries to passengers, but the fiberglass trains took a beating.
damageinc55 caused a nice Franken-train too
The operating days after the incident with one train operations were atrocious
Yes they were, for the guests and the ride ops both. In some ways, I appreciate the "set ups," which I'm now learning were a Cedar Point thing, not an industry-wide standard, but things like that kept the day moving, the energy among everyone was high, people were happy, it didn't feel like you were working your 4th 12-hour day that week (well, not as much). Those one-train days were miserable.
Yup. They said early morning rain had left the tracks too slippery. That's why it'll shut down if there's any kind of precipitation.
@@JCBro-yg8vd i have to possibly disagree??? OH NO
nvm. I ride this ride in the rain a lot , it hurts. But they do take precautions and switch to only one train on the track.
@@creamimoon1530 It's possible they might have changed their guidance on what shuts down in what since last I checked it.
As someone who used to go to Cedar Point every single summer, the Magnum is and will always be my all-time favorite and nobody will convince me to change my mind otherwise
Honestly my top3 in the park. I love all the little quirks and features that you get on this one that make it unique. The lift sounds cut through the midway and are so pretty to listen too. Makes me feel like I'm living in an 80s movie about summer break
Great in-depth video! Magnum Team Leader (I think they call it Supervisor now) from 2010 here - over 1.8 million riders that season, and the last time Magnum had truly high numbers. Also worked the ride 2007 and 2008 when we still had to run out to the safeties for setups. I believe 2009 was the first year the crew no longer had to run out to release the safety brakes - I know that by 2010 we could control it from the station. Magnum was the most fun ride I ever got to work, but I would have LOVED to work at Gemini when three train ops were still a thing!
Wow that’s awesome! Glad to hear from a former Magnum supervisor! And interesting to hear about the safety release!
Hi there, great work on these videos. I have enjoyed this series so much. I can just imagine what these roller coasters are like. As you can tell, based on what I’ve said, so far, I am a blind viewer. So I don’t see what happens with these roller coasters when you show it. However, I do enjoy them nevertheless. I have a question, can you review the comment that came out in 1995 at what is now called Six Flags great escape? I’m not sure if anyone really knows about it, but I have been on it and I have to say it is wicked cool. The airtime is awesome. sorry.
Am I only the one that doesn’t care if the rollercoaster is rough. I mean like if it’s so unbearably rough that I have neck problems for the rest of my life than maybe I’ll make an exception.
hahaha
I also don’t care either!
I hate rough rollercoasters, but Magnum never seemed that rough to me. Blue Streak, on the other hand, is terribly rough, gives me a headache every time and I won't ride it anymore.
@@sleep_sounds I have almost never had a rough ride on either but the end of magnum always hurts my legs
I only care when it ruins the ride.
Amazing seeing how much the support towers flex. So easy to overlook how much force they have to withstand.
5:22 This is one of the coolest shots i have literally ever seen
This coaster looks like a true coaster classic.
Also, can you do a Problematic Roller Coasters for X2?
And is that We Didn’t Start The Fire in the background?
Coaster Fusion it doesn’t matter because we didn’t star the fire is a really good song
It's really good.
Ben Adelstein agreed
As problematic as x2 was/is, Ryan was a ride operator at cedar point and great adventure, so he has an easier time finding information on their rides.
Ryan Linden why did you start the fire?
I love this coaster. It’s so amazing. It’s like the vortex that used to be in kings island That one had loops but it was a right that just had insane character. If you rode it a couple times in one day you started to learn all its little imperfections that gave it so much character.
Man your analysis of block zones and all the technical sides of a roller coaster is so awesome brotha, as a ride host as well I can confirm your spot on with both the facts and opinions mentioned here about capacity and operations👌👌
this coaster is SO fun! the bunny hills at the end are no joke it felt like i was being violently thrown upwards but in the best way. only thing that still scares me about this ride is the swaying and flexing of the track. i assume it’s meant to do that but it just won’t leave my mind whenever i ride.
Could not agree more with saying that magnum is like a wood coaster! Awesome video on my favorite coaster. I can't wait to operate this beast once the park opens this season! I was planning on making a similar video to this once I have a season of experience with it lol. This series was a really good idea and each video is more well done than the one before it, looking forward to more and if you want to cover Gemini I can help you out!
People always act like we had to settle for rough Arrows back in the day, and like it was impossible to make a smooth steel coaster before 1990. But like... Schwarzkopf showed we didn't have to settle
Absolutely. Schwarzkopf, with the help of Stengel, was building smooth, heartlined roller coasters since the late 70's.
I kinda like the roughness though. It makes it more intense
@@howenator not for me, however the Arrows I enjoy are fantastic rides. Tennessee Tornado, The Bat, etc
@@mithramusic5909 to be fair, Tennessee Tornado is more related to a B&M looper than its Arrow siblings .
It was made after Arrow started copying B&M and learned after the Drachen Fire failure
My local park (lagoon) has two Schwarzkopfs, Colossus: the fire dragon and the original Jet Star 2. Colossus was my favorite ride in the park until they built Cannibal and is buttery smooth to the day and in the past couple years has had no lines (probably because of cannibal ngl), it’s a masterclass in rollercoasters. Jet Star, on the other hand, is not. I understand it’s historical importance, but man, it is ROUGH. I only ride it maybe once or twice a year one because it’s so rough and two, I can’t ever convince anyone to ride it with me and you have to have two passengers per seat because of the toboggan cars. Besides the Bat (which is a glorified kiddy coaster) it’s probably one of the least liked rides at the park. I don’t know if there is anyway to improve it but the contrast between Jet Star and Colossus is insane
I was cross trained on Magnum in 2002 and worked Magnum Friday nights in 2003 during Halloweekends. I was at Corkscrew in 2002 and 2003. Back then the lift on both rides were all ‘A’ Block except for the very top of the lift. ‘B’ Block began at the very top section of the lift hill. The computer system would let you send a train out when the one on the lift would be all the way at the top but before cresting the lift hill. On Magnum we wouldn’t dispatch a train until it crested the 2nd hill though. On Corkscrew we only had 22 seconds to load a train to hit maximum capacity. We could stack all the trains though but had to bump up the one in the ready brakes so the one behind would stop on the transfer brakes. If you didn’t bump the train up, it could ‘C’ set on the safety brakes. We could release the train in the safety brakes though without having to run out there to release it. The ride was designed to not stop all the way forward in the ready brakes so it could have more momentum and arrive in the station quicker vs when the train was bumped up. We were supposed to bump the train up when the one in ‘B’ Block went through the loop. You could wait to bump the train up though until it was in the first corkscrew. I often waited when I was at controls so I could increase capacity.
Great video. Great explanations also. I'm a Cedar Point season pass holder and MXL200 is easily one of my favorite rides at Cedar Point. Keep up the good work.
I really hope I get to see another coaster war in my lifetime.
Definitely! So many great coasters came from that era.
@@torezcoasters6043 The roller coaster with the biggest drop and also the fastest roller coaster in the world was at the amusement park in my back yard for a year or so. It took the record from Magnum in 1991.
Once they make floating/flying coasters, I believe another one will happen
Probably gonna be one coming as parks scramble to attract guests back after the pandemic.
Competition is better for the consumer.
I love rides like Magnum for their imperfections, but it also shows just how good Schwarzkopf was - he was of the same era (pre-computer, pre machine bending), yet his coaster profiles are so natural and fluid.
They were also nowhere near the size of the Arrow installations, which may have something to do with it.
Love Schwarzkopf though! His rides have aged much better than most of Arrow's.
@@jumpbacktome I think it's true even when you compare to smaller Arrows, but they're both totally different manufacturers and I didn't mean for it to sound like I was playing both off against each other :) And yeah, I rode Olympia Looping in London recently - totally ferocious ride but glass smooth :O I have such a soft spot for old school Arrows though!
Ryan, I just have to say thank you. Among all the videos, including those from many of the enthusiasts, that you'll find across UA-cam that spout false claims, opinions and just generally incorrect information, your videos are the exact opposite and offer the general public a true, factual, well-researched look into the workings and history of roller coasters from all over the world. As someone who lived and breathed roller coasters growing up, worked at Cedar Point and pretty much majored in mechanical engineering with the intent to design them myself one day... your videos are the only ones on here that get me so excited that I get a taste of the passion for them that I once had. I often find myself jumping up to my feet and exclaiming things like, "Yes!", "Amen!", or "Exactly what I've said!" I cannot tell you how much I appreciate that and thank you for the content you put on here and the hours you spend making it.
Ok, so having gushed a bit over your videos, I'll finally comment on this one. I worked on Iron Dragon at Cedar Point in 2007 and amid all the drama that comes with a bunch of young kids working together and miserable one-train operating days after two Magnum trains collided during a particularly heavy rainstorm in late May, I spent a lot of time that summer analyzing cycle times of the trains, just passing the time noticing things while working. It's hard, but yet easy, to define "set-ups" simply as something that happens when a train isn't loaded within a set time. Although, I can't tell you the number of times that I've disappointingly said, "Ready Ready. ...Hold" over the PA at that ride or told someone that Iron Dragon "may have been the slowest ride in the park, but we had to have one of the fastest load times, 30 seconds and we were done, the ride set up." In reality, the timing of a set-up varied directly with train cycle times and relative train spacing, all of which were pretty fluid in measurement. At Iron Dragon, or really any of the Arrow coasters, one of the biggest aids to prevent a setup was something we always lost early in the day or soon after a set-up and that was keeping the trains from coming to a complete stop on the final brake run. Losing that momentum on the train was a HUGE detriment to preventing the ride from setting up and as much as I beat my head against the wall trying to explain that to the other ride ops, I never got that point across to them. You can tell by the way the ride's computer always double-applies the brakes as the train is lethargically parking in the station, it was intended that the train would be moving into the station having not stopped at the final brake run, just trimmed. If the train stops on the final brake run, that was already nearly 10 seconds off your load time, almost guaranteed a set-up was going to happen soon. You couldn't sustain that pace, it was like trying to finish a marathon when you had broken one of your legs halfway through. From my mental notes on timing, factors like that one fluctuated our load times to prevent a set-up from 27 seconds minimum to 36 seconds maximum.
It's ironic that one of the slowest rides in the park had to be loaded the fastest. Only because of the train length did Magnum put through more riders each day than Iron Dragon and there were a few days we nearly matched or beat them anyway. The set-ups were frustrating, to say the least, and as ride ops, there is so much you are expected to keep secret from the general public, like how their sudden indecisiveness on which seat they wanted to ride in or making us wait for a friend to join them that wasn't even to the top of the stairs yet made the entire ride shut down. Viewed in the light that Cedar Point probably saw them when they came up with the idea, set-ups could be positive enforcement to keep things moving, keep the energy high and keep guests happy. I still, to this day, remember the Saturday (of all days) that we made it until 6:37 PM before we had our first set-up. I nearly cried when I had to call it in, lol! We all did! After that, we set-up 11 more times in the last 3 hours of operation. The worst day I remember, I think we had 32 or 33. When we were moving though, it was just magic to watch and be a part of. We moved in such sync with one another, we had great energy and were probably way too pumped up on the spiel, but we got people excited for one of the least impressive rides on Cedar Point's roster, or tried anyway! It was a great big, first roller coaster for the kids and they could make your day sometimes. They were so excited to be riding one of the big coasters there and they were so polite and full of smiles when you helped pull their harnesses down. As an enthusiast, I loved seeing the kids enjoy conquering their first big coaster. The Iron Dragon ride ops today, or at least the last time I went, are as boring as the ride is. There's zero incentive for them to move with any pace or efficiency. They took so long that they even stacked the second train behind us on the brake run. So in my ridiculously long comment which involves a different coaster than is the subject of your video, I guess I just wanted to express some praise for the set-up, which I truthfully never put together was unique to Cedar Point until your video. The one thing I remember from my first trip to Cedar Point in 1998 was how fast and efficient the park seemed to run. No matter how good your ride ops are, you will have set-ups, which can cause negative views from riders that "got stuck," but for the most part, they encourage ride ops to put energy into their work, hopefully not while sacrificing safety. I agree with you, that's commitment to making your ride ops work, bust their ass, all for the greater good and I would take it all day long over the alternative.
These videos just keep getting better and better. 2019 was my favorite year for Magnum since I was a kid. It was running great, I even lucked into 2 trimless rides in June. The 3rd tunnel effects were also fantastic.
I'm loving this series, dude -- amazing information you can't get anywhere else. On this video, I especially appreciate the 80s flavored background music. It's very subtle, and as a child of the 80s, those songs are never far from my mind anyway, so I had to check that the soundtrack was actually there and not in my head.
I've never ridden it but it will probably be my favorite rollercoaster because I love arrow dynamic lift hills. Wierd arrow transitions and of course the best part. *AIRTIME*
I just rode it 2 days ago tbh my expectations weren't high since I was more hyped for maverick steel vengeance and millennium force but when I got off this ride I was blown away the airtime hills are so intense! I was dreaming about going to cedar point since over 15 years I finally could go there and I bet you will go there at one point as well!!
I remember first season it opened.... I was too young to ride. But that day at the park it got stuck at the top of the first hill a couple of times. I remember after sitting for a long period of time, the riders had to walk down the hill. I’ve always wondered what caused that and I couldn’t imagine having to make that walk down the hill. Great series dude!
Magnum is a rough ride, but Cedar Point is my home park and there is absolutely no other coaster like this - the airtime is insane and is full of quirks and character that you don't see on other coasters. It was my favorite when I was younger - not so much anymore, but it's still a classic that I will always enjoy.
I agree. Just like there is no other coaster like the Beast at Kings Island, my home park.
Magnum is Magnum. And The Beast is the Beast.
Clearly, what the Beast is to KI, Magnum XL-200 is to CP.
Once again, excellent, in depth analysis of one of my all time favorites! Magnum is my fourth favorite in the park. As far as the trains, I've said for some time I think those S&S trains like they put on the Arrow hyper style coaster Titan Max that was very similar to Magnum in Japan would be awesome for Magnum. Titan Max was the same model and featured the same exact trains as Magnum originally, so maybe those S&S trains could work? They look so comfortable and open, and I'm sure are likely much lighter than Steel Dragon's B&M trains.
I remember watching Magnum making test runs for many hours on opening day 2019 and it was absolutely CRAWLING over each hill. I was just watching waiting for it to valley. Any slight wind would have done that I'm certain. So yeah, I see how Magnum definitely needs plenty of time to warm up like you said. It didn't open until about 2pm that day.
Noice video!
Love the track flexing.
Also, I miss doing block checks😔 My favorite part of operating coasters.
Edit!! I got to experience no trims on this beast during a night ride once. Scariest ride of my life, but I’d give anything to ride with no trims again.
You nailed it bro. Captured every single pertinent detail and your opinions somehow always come off as objective and accurate. Keep it up bro! These videos are getting me through quarantine. Magnum is one of my all time favorites it instantly makes me feel 8 years old again every time
Ryan: *For anyone who is unfamiliar*
Me: Yes! Best part of my day!
Great video and I learned a lot! I grew up 20 minutes down the road from Cedar Point and fondly remember the Renaissance CP went through starting in the late ‘80s. However, I’m really surprised that on a “problematic coasters” video that you didn’t mention the early problems Magnum had with trains getting stuck on the lift hill! I remember seeing trains stuck halfway up the hill 30 minutes or more! Maybe a follow up video on that would be a good idea!
Man, I was there in the early 90's and I have fond memories of watching the guests scoot on their butts down the hill after the train stopped, and watching park employees going up and down the hill like it was nothing trying to restart it.
This roller coaster! That along with Millennium Force are what turned me into an enthusiast!
I first rode the Magnum in 1992, and it's always been one of my favorites since. I worked a summer at Geauga Lake before it became Six Flags Ohio. The best part was riding coasters in the morning before the guests arrived. My brother worked there through high school and college in games. I only operated the kiddie rides, never the big boys, but it sure gives me an appreciation of operations having been on the other side.
The best coaster UA-camr during the crisis BY FAR. Amazing videos, I've been an enthusiast for 13 years, operated rides, and still learn stuff from your videos! No other UA-camr like that out there.
This is the reason why i subscribed
6:33 my dad calls it "the cobra roll without the roll"
Loved the 80's in the background
Dude I just discovered you and now I've been binging your content for like 3 hours, it's SO good lol. I've loved coasters since I was a kid but your videos are super informative and interesting, keep it up!
This is such an amazing ride. I don’t care about the roughness, it’s still a great today. Awesome video Ryan
hurts like hell but it really does rock
I need to experience that Magnum airtime one day 😄
@@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan rode it yesterday, sincerely did not enjoy it 😬
The observations about "forced capacity" were really interesting - never thought about that before!
I love the 80's music throughout the video lol. Magnum was considered a right of passage when I was a kid. You weren't cool until you rode it.
This video is remarkably detailed and a fantastic breakdown of the favorite coaster of my youth. This is quickly becoming one my go-to channels on UA-cam. Keep em coming!
another 30 minute video?? i mean, im definitely not complaining but this is insane haha
4:24 man, people dressed nice in the late 80’s. Wearing a suit and tie to Cedar Point!
Probably some guy came out of the park office to try it out. Everyone else is in acid-washed denim and windbreakers lol
I'm really liking this video series! Easily some of the best coaster related content out there. Looking forward to the next one. Keep it up!
Dude this video is great. I can tell how much detail and effort you put into it. Keep up the good work!
Road this the first year it came out and did again 20 years later and it felt the same. Great classic coaster. Never had a problem riding it when I was there. 😁
A new set of B&M trains is highly unlikely, but what about a Morgan retracking with new morgan trains similar to what happened to Phantom's Revenge?
Hopefully. It made the Phantom so much better.
The trains on Phantoms Revenge actually aren't completely Morgan, they are the old arrow trains from Steel Phantom but with a new fiberglass body and restraint system.
I don't know how I missed this last year, but I'm glad it popped into my feed today. Great video with incredible in-depth information. I waited 3+ hours to ride Magnum in May of 1989 and witnessed a maintenance crew using electrical tape to install new padding on the lap bars. It was well worth the long wait, and I managed a couple of rides during that summer. Now, Magnum is a must ride on every CP visit for me.
I'll be riding it early on Monday morning for the first time this year.
Road Magnum twice yesterday. The first ride was toward the back and it was just as I remember...a great ride with incredible pops of airtime on the bunny hills during the home stretch. The second ride was in the "Magic Seats" of row 3 and did not go as expected. The riders in rows one and two weren't paying attention when the gates opened and did not get on the train. Car one was then really light, with the only riders being the two of us in row three. We bounced around the track the entire time. Even though we weren't stapled, every transition was rough and painful, especially the final bunny hills. BY FAR the worst ride I've ever had on Magnum.
I’ll never forget our magic seat ride when we looked at each other as we came out of the first tunnel and just flew out of our seats 😂
Yo that ride was INSANEEEE
do problematic coasters: the vekoma flying dutchman
I grew up in NJ and rode kingda-ka within a week or two of it opening. Front row too! The wait wasn’t much longer (5-10 extra trains) but somehow i still got in trouble for taking too long. I was on a field trip and couldn’t have cared less.
This is one of the best roller coaster related videos I have even seen. Good job. :)
Magnum XL 200 was the roller coaster that got me from liking roller coasters, to being an enthusiast.
Ryan: "let's dig in"
Me at 3am: hell yeaaaah
I love the history and beauty of this coaster, but I have to admit it threw me around so bad and hurt my back. Those bunny hills at the end are no joke, felt like riding a bull.
I just got home high af and sat down and went on UA-cam, your video came up and I've never been happier. It was more satisfying than eating when you have the munchies. Another great video, please keep them coming 💯
I may get a lot of flack for this, but Magnum XL-200 is my personal favorite hypercoaster. Yes, it's not very smooth, but it has everything I love about hypers in it - height, speed, airtime, and plus the location along the beach and Lake Erie. Not to mention old Arrow coasters have a charm to them that can't be beat!
Magnum especially has tons of charm and character. It's a steel coaster that pretends it's an old wooden coaster something you will NEVER get today with modern computer designed coasters.
The Magnum will always be my favorite. I love how it's both smooth and rough. Modern coasters are too smooth, if you ask me. I love Millennium, but it doesn't give the same thrill. In my opinion, smooth coasters don't give the fear and intensity of older rides. When I was a kid, the Magnum was king, and it scared the living daylights out of me when I first rode it at age 6. It is much more hardcore. Nothing can beat the air time on the Magnum. It is quality air time. The "air time" on rides like Steel Vengeance can't even compare. The lap bars are too constricting. You really fly out of your seat on the Magnum, thanks to the old-style lap bars. Car 6, row 3, black train is the best seat, though. And yes, the sound of its lift hill is pure euphoria.
Completely agree. It’s been my favorite roller coaster since the first time I rode it. Before millennium opened man the lines were long but ever since then you can nearly walk on magnum any day you’re there.
I'm scared if when I go to Cedar Point, I'll ask the Ride Op if the trims are on and he'll just stare me dead in the eyes and hit a button and say "They are now!"
Chills man
I worked as a ride operator at King’s Island for a summer on Flight of Fear, King Cobra, and Vortex. It was really fun. Mostly worked on Flight. Every once and a while if there was an empty seat we’d get a free ride. If I was younger I would for sure do it again.
I worked this ride back in 2011 with the original panel. Thanks for this great content, it was a blast from the past.
🔥🔥🔥 This series is making me even more excited for my coaster trip(Whenever that may be now😂😭)
Dakota Montoya MY FIRST CEDAR POINT TRIP THAT I WAS GOING WITH MY DAD GOT CANCELLED. AND the amazing thing is that I was gonna get FAST LANE PLUS for 4 days because my dad knows the cfo.
@@seansanders4000 You'll still get it, just in 2021 instead.
The commercial at the beginning: I AM SPEED
Great video!!! Brought back a lot of memories from 05' and 06' when I worked at Cedar Point. I mostly worked on Corkscrew, and we had to deal with the "C Set" issue, but we could at least release the safety brakes from controls without running out there. You'd still get written up with an "Operational" and would earn yourself a "Step" towards being fired if it happened while you were working controls. Our ride also didn't automatically advance the trains through the brake runs. We had separate dispatch buttons for the station and the waiting brakes. With a train in the station, the next train would hit the waiting brakes and would come to a stop while occupying 2 different block sections. We had to manually advance that train to free up the previous block or the following train would set up in the safety brakes. Fun times. 2005 was also the year we had a restraint failure in one of the train cars, and had a train return to the station with guests showing us that their harnesses weren't locked anymore. After that incident, they added seat belts to the harness overnight. Our crew motto that year became: We screwed so hard they had to give us seat belts, Screw Crew 05'
These problematic videos are honestly the best roller coaster videos! Every single one is amazing and goes into such detail about how the ride operates.
weird how "steepest roller coaster" used to be a gentle angle
anyway here's my comment for the algorithm, have a good one
its honestly shocking there wasnt something steeper before this. but then i remember Oblivion blew ppl's minds in like 1998 for "having a vertical drop" so i guess things were very conservative back then
@@johanlenox That probably also had a lot to do with rides being built by hand, and not by computer, like Ryan says in this video. 90° drops on coasters built by hand must have been crazy hard to not make it an unbearable ride.
Gradients on old woodies in the UK are so gentle, they used to run without restraints :D
Thinking back to the good old days when the steepest roller coaster in the U.S. (and second in the world) was basically in my back yard. R.I.P. Cannibal’s record. (Honestly still think it feels steeper because the track right before isn’t already angled. Yes this is a direct call out to knots berry farm and the weird Nickelodeon park. Come at me)