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Does Baking A GPU Do Anything?
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- If there is one thing i am good at its braking things, i have an EVGA 1080 and 580 both of which are broken because of me shorting the cards out. the 580 was shorted when i dropped a fan clip on the exposed back plate cooking it right then and there. The 1080 was killed when i tried to rig some custom RGB onto the existing RGB header, contacting 2 pins and shorting the card. They have been dead for a while now but today with nothing to loose i think we will stick them in the oven and see if they come back to life.
STOP!........If you are considering doing this make sure you understand the risk. If you have a card that doesn't work and you are considering sending it out for repair but came across this video first DON'T BAKE IT, if you do and it doesn't work then you try to send it out you may end up causing more damage and shortening your cards life in the long run. In all honesty I didn't expect this to fix anything, however I decided to give it a squirrel because i had no plans of sending the card out for repair and i received enough comments on giving it a try i thought why not. NOW YES my 1080 didnt work then after its ride in the oven it did to my astonishment, and after a bit of testing it seems to be working normally again with the exception of the RGB which is still dead. I have some more testing to do on this card to see how long it will remain working, it may work forever and it may die today I dont know. Make sure to check back for followups on this cards life. In the end its your hardware and what you choose to do with a piece of equipment that you paid for is 100% your choice but make sure to do your own independent research before deciding whats best for your case scenario.
if it ain't broke fix it till it is
You should probably buy a new oven. As when you do this it releases toxic gas from the soldier into the oven. Which will keep going on your food to a lesser extent each time you use your oven.
@Zfast4you but the chemical scent is tasty, like a new car smell, just sniff it up.
heat gun outside (well ventilated) 9 min on gpu/vram (keep it moving don't stay to long on one thing)
@Zfast4you Oh thank god someone said it, never use something you intend to eat from as a reflow oven
@@coldrolledbearcrushing9264 how hot on a heat gun, how many watts? I have an xfx HD 5850 black that was damaged in shipping and I have no money for someone to spend hours on an antique card that looks brand new, because it was a year old when it broke. I can afford and happen to need a good heat gun though.
I can hear Louis Rossmann screaming from here.
Came here to say this.
i dont get it but ive seen it a few times lol
@@MajorHardware Louis Rossmann famously called out Linus on stream when LTT did a video about putting a graphics card in the oven - at best it can bring a chip temporarily back from the dead, but it shouldn't be considered a proper fix. As a response, Linus actually went to NYC and visited Louis' shop to shoot a video about using a proper reflow station.
@@SteelSkin667 ua-cam.com/video/Shn7LdIrViQ/v-deo.html
@@MajorHardware
First off, most ovens don't get hot enough to melt solder.
Second off, a chinesium reflow station on Amazon costs as low as $50.
In all likelihood, all that you're doing when you stick a GPU in the oven, is causing the PCBs to flex and press broken solder joints back together; This is why the fix is 50/50, and oftentimes even if you do fix it the problem will recurr in time.
To properly fix it, you need a rework statiom off Amazon ($50), a silicone solder/rework mat if you want to protect your table ($15-25), some small metal objects that you can use to lift and level the board from bare spots on the PCB (decently clean pocket change will work) and patience. At an absolute minimum, the station should be set to about 250°C at low to medium fanspeed, though the digital readout only reads from the source, so the temp that the board sees will be different from the readout depanding on distance and air environment I usually run 300°C or higher in my environment.
I also tend to run some alcohol under any BGA hipsets to make sure there isn't any debris between the PCBs and solder balls to mess anything up, although usually that shouldn't be an issue.
If reflowing was not enough to fix the issue, you may need to take a solder pen and resolder some joints on problem areas by hand, or if the issue is with a BGA chip, your job gets a lot harder if you have to reball the poor thing.
Ahh the old throw a GPU into the oven Realtor trick. Makes a house smell like a home.
If you had a dead Vega 64, you could just raise the power limit and it would bake itself :)
tried that lol never worked
Just broke the fan and let it bake itself
I did this periodically with an HD 7870 for several years. It would start glitching out, then I would bake it & worked over and over for several months. Finally it bit the dust, but only after reviving it like 6 times.
Yeah, my brother did this some 8 years ago, when he first started building his own computer and it worked as well. I don't remember the video card, but I do remember him baking it and having the same result. (disclaimer: It's more of a 50/50 that it will work again or just stay broken)
Then if it doesnt work u bake it more
@@therealpepsicat doesn't work like that kid
This is not a real fix. Just a bandaid.
I'll let you know
@louisrossmann
You need to wait a few weeks and see if stays fixed. Had a friend who did this and it worked for 2 weeks then same problem. Please do a follow up video on it in a few weeks please to give us a heads up if it's still working.
I baked mine 3 times. First time it worked 8 months, second time it worked only one and a half month, third time it worked 6 months.
Follow up video on this with the fans in and running benchmarks. Show the msi afterburner monitoring for the card.
understood
For the 580, use the Igpu, with the card plugged in and powered on, see if it reads in device manager and try flash the vbios.
I screamed when you yanked the 1080 out of the running computer...
Good on ya for the disclaimer, this is definatly a last ditch resort. There was a similar fix back in the day for the original red ring on 360's where the SOC would lift off the board after excessive temp-cycling. Out of the 15 we put in ovens or suffocated in a towel only one ever lasted; But it still running 24/7 even today!
i 100 % expected to make a cooking video where nothing happeneedf
Baking a PCB can only bring back board that has broken solder joints. The ones that break usually are ones the manufacture cant see (Under BGA components) and ends up breaking because they cant be inspected to verify if they have a good bound.
Sometimes baking may not be enough to fix the problem. If where the solder broke leaved the solder mostly in one side when it heats up due to surface tension it will form a ball and that ball may not be high enough to jump the gap and reconnect the point.
You can try gently pressing the chip down while it still hot to force the melted solder ball to touche the other side (If you press too hard you can smash the solder joints causing everything to short so ONLY DO IT IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING).
That joint may break again due to be under high tension stress especially if the reason it broke the first time was because that joint didn't have the right amount of solder.
This is why this is not considered a proper fix:
It might not fix the problem its trying to.
It might break something else that wasn't broken (Blow caps / Crack ceramic caps / Melt the isolating coating of the wires inside inductors / Melt plastic things...)
It might fix the problem but only temporarily.
It might only partially fix the problem (Turn on with artifacts or shuts off / crash when you start a load).
It might fix the problem for a very long time.
This has worked 2 out of the 4 times I've tried. They say, it's best not to do this in your main oven due to potentially creating toxic fumes that can be harmful to your health and can stay in your oven. (Idk if this is true.... But that's what I read.) I bought a used toaster oven on the used market and used it for my GPUs.
I'm sure I'll live
Did this with my GTX 8800 a long time ago. It worked, but as many are pointing out, it was a temporary fix. Lasted about 6 months before the problem returned. Best of luck!
I repaired a GTX770 and I wouldn‘t believe it. I got typical symptoms of problems with the vram. I told all of my friends and we all laugh about it and that it works and is still working.
@@deveneleven400 I have sold the card a year later. I know for sure that it worked for at least a year.
Hummm... It's not dangerous to remove the GPU when the computer's power on ?
Well, it's theoretically dangerous but the GPU wasn't actually doing anything...
I appreciate the fact that you warn us that we will waste our time while watching this video. I wish more UA-camrs will be as honest as you are.
No problem I 100% didnt think anything was going go happen
Might be good to benchmark it to see if it still performs 100% as well as stress test it
Just brought my Zotac Mini 1080 back to life with this method.
When I first started getting into hardware, I was replacing thermal paste on Xbox 360s and replacing disk drives. I know it works, but after some time (could be a couple weeks or months, pending on its usage / temps) I have a feeling it will suffer the same fate, eventually.
It was fun to watch though, especially without a :O face in the thumbnail 😉
I did the same with my xbox 360... took off the ring of death for a few months. I used the heat gun method though.
Love the punk background music! Nice to hear something different than lowfi hip-hop lol.
Didn’t believe it til I saw Linus do it . In Linus we trust
An old roommate of mine a few years ago gave me a red and black AMD something something XT gpu of some sort that artifacted and quit working and was like "give it a shot. I got a new one. If it works you can keep it" I stripped it down and tried. All that happened was a capacitor exploded XD. I have a feeling that card was a hell of a lemon with what he told me about it. I'm quite happy you had success with that EVGA 1080 in this video. Did it last?
Odd enough there was a similar fix to the Xbox red ring of death . The hot towel method where u heat up a towel + leave console on to over heat it , which I don’t know how it fixes it but it did work for me .
Nice. I just got given to me a dead 1050ti and gtx 980 OC. After initial testing I couldn't diagnose the issue. Will have to give the bake a crack.
The way he just flicked that switch on the psu to turn off the pc when it was still on gives me such bad anxiety 😂😂
Its just an short term fix, because your solder joints doesn't reflow at that temperature, you need like 460-480°F for that to work. But when the surface that you are using for that is not perfectly flat, yeah then all your parts move around and its now broken for sure.
What happen is that through the heat cycle your card expand and retract a bit, and that moves a broken wire bond around just enough to make contact again. Most heat deaths in graphics cards (and first gen Xbox360s lol) are caused by broken wire bonds.
I like the music choice to early 20s love it
So, i have this GTX 550Ti that doesn't work anymore. This morning (French time) when i saw your vid i was like "no way".
Then i tried the oven trick.
I just put the gpu back inside my test computer when i'm writing this
The GPU now works
THANKS
375 Fahrenheit, I assume?
375°C would be ridiculous :D
Love your cadence man. I had the same reaction as you when it actually displayed lol
Yea... I dont see this lasting an on a side note best of luck man
only time shall tell
I told my brother about this and he tried it on his card. Totally works no problem he's been gaming on it for a year now. I was shocked when you told me.
Hi m8, just wanted to say thx for the video btw is that graphic card still working or how long it lasted
Good disclaimer. I’ve done this before, with a Kepler Titan. It brought it back to life for 6 months, did it again, got a few more months out of it, again, it worked again for awhile lol
Like he said, if you can get it repaired professionally and the card actually has value, I’d go that route.
Baked cards usually eventually die again for the same reason they died originally.
Ain't nothin wrong with the LAst Ditch Effort Bake it in an oven method. Totally viable . had a buddy resurrect a hd6870 via the method.
Top notch content. Most underrated tech channel on youtube.
thank you and this GPU is still kickin
I've always thought this was BS. But I Just Now revived an old Radeon HD6670. Same method except I put mine on a old sunbeam electric skillet set at 400°F, had an old baking pan covering it. Cooked for 9 minutes, cooled for 30 minutes.
I see a lot of the "temporary fix" responses. Generally I would agree. If the gpu core is dead it's dead and no amount of baking will bring it back permanently. The mentioned louis rossman does a good job of explaining the phenomenon. But you shorted out your card so your case is maybe a little different.
My best case scenario theory for your card is that when you shorted it out an mlcc capacitor blew. When mlcc capacitors go they usually short in my experience. When you baked the card either the shorted mlcc fell off or went open when the solder was melted. With the short removed the card started functioning again. I've fixed a few laptop motherboards by finding a shorted mlcc on it and removing it. Sometimes I replace them but it usually isn't necessary.
I had a r9 280 with a blown mlcc right off the first couple of pcie traces. Since it blew open I left it like that and used it for over a year before giving it to a friend.
Solder balls reflow at 600-800°F, as do solder joints. All this does is temporarily bridge gaps between the BGA and PCB, or along tiny fractures in the traces in the PCB. If you get it hot enough, it can cause cold solder joints. But, it'll still fail again, eventually.
I professionally repair pricey industrial electronics with bad solder joints every day, and I'm trained on one of the most advanced robotic BGA repair and replacement systems available. Even then, the manufacturer of the systems I fix dictates that we need to replace any BGA that has failed, even if testing only finds one bad solder ball that needs reflow.
Thank you for saying this. I've been trying "educate the internet" for quite some time on what "baking gpus" really does and why the "fix" is temporary in the vast majority of cases. Even the famed Luis Rossman doesn't understand what's happening. In almost every case, the fix is temporary because the BGA component has a bad solder ball, which is really the result of a damaged pad, usually lifted off (fully or partially) with a broken trace. Heating in a toaster oven does cause cold solder joints, which when thermally stressed enough, will break once again, causing the common "it worked for a while and then stopped". One method that may yield longer-lasting results is to preheat in the toaster oven, and then immediatly hit with a hot air station (or heat gun) at a high enough temp to get the gpu core to fully reflow.
snow and coyote
The reason this is a temporary fix is because the solder balls on the gpu chip or cracked solder preventing it from working is cracked due to failure even if you re melt it the problem is the solder it needs to be redone, just send the card out to get reballed by a professional
still works
@@MajorHardware your issue must have been a rare situation which was a solder ball was no touching a pad or misaligned causing a issue and your oven trick fixed it and the solder was ok but 99% of these issues is due to low quality solder and its known by industry as "RE-Balling" a gpu. Its actually a cool process look up some videos on it and also your video was cool to watch to and may help some people but heat gun is a cheap proper way to do this and your put tinfoil around the things that you dint want to get hot
honest intro bro
Sadly it didn't work on my 1080ti... But it was worth a shot
true whats the worse that could happen
Worked a treat on the imac gpu cheers
200deg cel for 10 mins
Plot twist, monitor is broken, cards are fine :) Well just seems like the input connector is loose on monitor end as a little jolta made it lose signal. Interesting to see if 3D works on that 1080 too, but picture is already a win.
overclock that coyote
u see how beef he was he defiantly running on a higher clock speed
Dude - you"re like a mad scientist!
Only works for a few days.
been seeing that comment a lot ill follow up for sure
@@MajorHardware The tv motherboard I tried it on would work for 2 or 3 days only. You may also use a heat gun. A hair dryer works too.
I did this twice with a graphics card. One worked for 1 month and the other worked for 2 years after baking it. But it is very risky because the oven has to be exactly at the melting point of the solder. Any lower and it won't work and any higher and you will destroy your graphics card. So DON'T try this if you still have warranty... just send it for repair. No warranty left? Got nothing to lose if it doesn't work? Throw it in the oven!
can I suggest pulling the power lead n hitting the power button to drain any power left in caps when changing PC hardware
i would have understood if it fried it self by running too hot, it would have had a chance of melting the chip's inner parts and make the broken connection solder in the chip... but you fried your with a short... now that is a mystery to me as to why it worked! nice for you! will you retry the previous experiment (being more careful) again or do you have other plans for it?
Holy shoot! This actually worked for my dead 780 ti!!!
I like that repurposed bamboo monitor stand
My GTX 1070 is in the oven as I’m typing this - fingers crossed!
I honestly can’t believe it, but it worked!!! Thank you so much! As I’ve heard elsewhere - it’s probably not a permanent fix - but it’ll work until I can get my hands on a new one. If you’ve got nothing to lose then definitely give this a try!
still works?
Bro Im sorry all these dudes are giving you hate for repairing a broken card, I mean the card had no value before you cooked it, now its working and thats that.
You had a dead card, now its alive.
People still givin you hate over it, Ive got like 5 cards to try this on so Ill be back later.
It still works to this day pretty weird
@@MajorHardware This is my second reply, I tried to edit my first one and it said returned error.
These are the cards I have to try out:
XFX GTS XXX ED 580 8gb (Does not allow PC to power on once in PCIE socket)
XFX Red Fan 580 8GB (No Post)
Armor OC 580 8gb (Works until driver installed, then black screen)
Armor OC 570 4gb (No post)
Armor OC 470 4gb (Artifacts until freeze)
Gigabyte Gaming 580 8gb (No video or no post)
R9 290x Reference w/ Tri X OC Cooler (same PCB layout) (no post)
HD 7950 Windforce (no video or no post)
Results:
XFX GTS XXX ED 580 8gb - 100% Success, even withstanding brutal loads from last night till now
XFX Red Fan 580 8GB - Loads to windows, freezes on 3d load
Armor OC 580 8gb - loads to windows, freezes on 3d load w/ artifacting
Armor OC 570 4gb - Loads to windows, artifacts at 3d load
Armor OC 470 4gb - loads to windows, artifacts at 3d load
Gigabyte Gaming 580 8gb - not cooked yet
R9 290x Reference w/ Tri X OC Cooler - cooked at 360 able to load into windows and game until artifact, cooked again at 370 @ 12 minutes and light artifacting - dropped memory clock to 1100 and everything is perfect and stable.
HD 7950 Windforce - not cooked yet
So I was dialing in my whole process during separate cooks - I started low and went a bit higher, dialed in length of time and cooling period. I believe that with additional cooks I can bring the other cards back to gaming life.
What was interesting to me is I was able to use every single card that was not working. There is certainly something to this. I believe with the proper technique the chances of repairing a card is much higher. Ive had more success with 12 minutes at 370 for my oven then anything so far. Im very happy with the 290x result, as thats my favorite card.
Hope someone can use this for their information, if anyone has any questions Ill respond to it if it hits my notifications.
I have a dead 1080 ti and no warranty anymore. Might as well try this, since I have nothing to lose
many people hate on it but mine is still working..... for now
The baking method only applied to the ball grid array but dont fix rgb light as he blown the surface mounted caps and/or chip related to the rgb that makes him at fault for killing the rgb light no one else
6:00
Do you always just cut the power like that?
That is how my GPU broke so highly do not recommend doing this.
Buildzoid made a video about the baking of gpus, i can recommend it he ex0lains everything very good
Only cook it til medium well
i love your attitude, subscribed.
From what I know this isn't a permanenent fix, the GPU could stop working at any time.
But i'm guessing this is the last thing you try.
Card didnt work, it works now. Ive got like 5 cards to try this on, and I cant wait. If the card doesnt work, it really isnt an issue if you can get it working again for a little while. ITs already broken to begin with.
time to make some cookies
Louis rossmann has entered the chat lol
Furmark 24hour test )) *baked*
I cooked mine for 10 mins . around 5 mins with 290C resistors pop suddenly. So guys. Do this only if you don't have anything to lose at all
in the midst of doing this Right now to an r9 270. fingers crossed,
success. gpu now boots and functions again! .... and now were doin it to a hd4890 thats got some naztay artifacting.
Bout to buy some broken ps4's that I can hopefully bake back to life.. I'm feelin them feels 🙏
Uhh at 3:23 you unplug power then the card from a booted system. Am I missing something here?
I after the card wouldnt workmi went back to integrated graphics and unplugged the card
@@MajorHardware while booted?
@@MajorHardware I understand what you're saying but generally not a good idea to do so while booted. No bueno!
@@roundeye1987 maybe soo but on 2011 tech there isnt much risk.
@@MajorHardware I appreciate you responding! However, I am still in the camp of powering off before removing hardware but perhaps that would be a good future video: testing the safety of removing modern hardware while powered on: I know I'd watch for sure!
my old shitty rx480 fried.
time to bake it
I mean, what did we expect going into this knowing that the 580 didn't die over time due to a bad solder joint but due to..let's call it scientific experimenting.
As for the 1080, HOW THE F DID THIS FIX ANYTHING.
I baked my Geforce 7950GT AGP back into live two times and it lasted for two years after the first "fix", back then I was hecka proud of actually fixing something just by putting in in the oven.
And yes, the card still runs fine even though the second baking was like 5 years ago. Ofc, this should be considered as a temporary solution only to indentify defects and then get a proper reflow, but for me it worked out just fine.
I used regular baking paper as a non-conductive alternative to your aluminium foil balls tho.
Worked for a HD5850 as well, but that card ended up dying in a fire (not cased by the card) shortly after so I can't tell on how long that would have worked.
For both cards I preheated the oven to 115° C, put the card in for 10 minutes, flipped it upside down und gave it another 10 minutes.
This also worked with a laptop gpu on the motherboard, tho that thing died again after a week and I couldn't be bothered properly reflowing it.
you couldn't get the nailpaint of the fans ? even not with nailpolish remover ? it's specially for removing the nailpolish paint :D
Yeah this is an old method probably a tacky solder the oven just solders again they were doing this with circuit boards for awhile seeing how pcbs go threw the oven anyway...also can’t u just dip the fans in nail polish would it melt the plastic?
Just saw this video and wanted to add it's *absolutely not safe to pull hardware while the power is still on*!!! Heck, it's even unsafe if the power is still connected. I'm surprised you didn't ruin your motherboard just then. If you have done this before, no wonder your GPUs were toast.
There are many reasons why it's unsafe. First of all, because chances are high you are changing the angle of the contacts when you pull or insert the card, chances are just as high you are shorting two contacts of the slot. Second, the slot is hot (powered) and if you pull (or insert) the card and some pins are still making contact while others don't, current is going to flow in directions it's not supposed to flow. Some currents can actually invert! And there are a few more reasons you should never do this with the power still connected.
Also, it works not because you are reflowing the solder. Solder on a PCB doesn't reflow at 200C. The reason why it works (temporarily) is because you are baking out moisture from the epoxy from flip chip connections. Moisture will most likely return after some time causing the problems to return. There are ways to make the result more permanently though. Like resealing the chips afterwards.
Is this work for you RX 590 is toast after mining for a bit I want to get it back in action not sure what happened no display to GPU what's the temperature and how long and what side up
Can we not use the baking oven and use a separate one
That's rad. Launch a game see if it works in 3d mode. Also since it's working please revisit the 3d printed cooler you made for it :)
I know this is an older video, but you really need to post links to articles you are using, or just have more information in general.
that what i did for ages back in 2000 fix my dumb 3dfx it melted soliding so i throw in toaster over for 10 or 20 mini slow heat it up unite get to 175f or 190f it pend on board n soliding
and never use aluminum foil because that soliding will stick to it dont every use plastic because it will melts n i normal take small longer screw with nut put on board n tight by finger n stand it up so less mess
im great u came back do it aging same what i did
at 375F my display port melted, not the HMDI though. Maybe try 300F first?
hej what monitor is that it looks nice
i did this on an 8800 and it worked for a while. I repeated 3 times until I finally bought a new card. Worked everytime but was getting worse.
Good enough when you need a couple more days or maybe weeks until you have enough to replace it.
BEWARE of the RADIATION that came out from it, I get a headache and feel sick for couple of days from that smell.
Radiation? What? Its GPU not a Nuclear Power Plant.
For our next video, can we delid a GTX 580?
don't bake GPUs it is not a repair. all you do is to shock the GPU solder balls and make it work temporarily. and you don't get op to reflow temps when baking it.
So what you are saying is dont bake a broken GPU because it will end up broken again lol
No baking GPU can be "fine" if you now it is the core that is bad so checking all the voltage rails work and output voltage and now it won't fix it permanently., but you shout not make a video called "How To Fix A GPU In 10 Minutes" and not put in a serious disclaimer that this does not fix the card permanently ore properly. and someone "fixes" a GPU and sells it as working and it brakes on the buyer after 1 month.
My motherboard had a short and kept on switching off as soon as I put any pressure on the board so I tried the oven method for 5 min and it was now working 100 percent
Is it Fahrenheit or celcius 375 if its celcius daam what a oven you got...
I did it with a heat gun. It work. Until I shortcut the card by let a hdd (in metal so) rest on my card while the pc was running. It didn't work twice with the heat gun
The problem I've heard about these is that you'll inevitably have to do this again within a year or so.
i got my oven read to go 247
Major Hardware bringin’ the heat baby 🔥
Yes, it shows video out. But is it working? I have had a few cards that would boot into windows, but couldnt install drivers because of the "error 43" in device manager. But right now, im considering baking my evga gtx 780 sc, just to see what happens.
from the testing ive done so far it seems to be working as normal ill follow up when i know more.
Maybe try a different heat sink and see if the lights work on that? or is the light control on the gpu board itself?
i think itsd the board
just got my hands on a evga 580 but missing the heatsink inside so I put a cpu heatsink on it ...it works but artifacting so imma try to bake it !!
How does this work? is it like the broken transistors are re-fusing again or something ?
Yeah...this doesn't really work people. It might seem to do the trick, but you can't get them hot enough in your home oven to "fix" them.
All I know is that it was broke then it worked sounds fixed atleast for now to me
@@MajorHardware You can also fix by banging it with a hammer...doesn't "fix" it.
@@MajorHardware And not trying to be snarky. I realized when my wife pointed it out it came across that way. I'm sorry for that.
Lol no worries
idid it in 2020 with my laptop gpu and it worked after baking it in the oven it lived 2 years more and then the gpu dead.
now test if it actually works (disable integrated GPU, add fans, run stress test), and see how long it continues working
I did this for a 1080ti, got a few months then same again
Your card probably needs a proper reballing and it should be good for many years.
its possible the 580 was using that notirously brittle lead free solder which if i remember had a higher melting point? or did i dream that. altho i think they all use lead free solder ..now...
Every single computer part has been using lead-free solder since RoHS was implemented in 2004.
@@SteelSkin667 Bastards! lol