Just remember guys Danny is running a business, he isn't an impartial speaker reviewer, I'm not saying he is a bad person, or that he is misleading you, I don't believe that he is, but he does believe speakers should sound, and measure a particular way, remember that's what your buying into, his audio philosophy, as long as you know that. Personally I think if you buy this kit your speaker isn't a B&W speaker anymore, you've converted it into something else, a 'Danny speaker' I guess, just remember to trust your ears first and foremost when auditioning a speaker, and the key word there is 'auditioning', no amount of measurement graphs is going to tell you whether you like it or not, only your ears can do that, and also don't forget that your room will have the biggest effect on your speakers sound, people really underestimate this, audition, audition, audition, get it right first time, and trust yourself, if you like it that's all that matters, then you won't need to fantasy about tearing your speaker apart to 'fix' it.
that's all fine but not when he himself is criticising the manufacturers like they don't know how their speakers measure. Btw sine wave is also my favourite genre of music. eh not . Measurements are a guide and the most important thing to note is that how the production speaker sounds from any brand is very deliberate by the manufacturer. Otherwise just buy a custom speaker by this dude.
… and B&W is not running a for-profit-business? Speakers are built at a price point. The 606 are not creme de la creme in any aspect. So what makes you think they can’t be bettered? And what makes you think Danny doesn’t know what he’s talking about? Are you sure he’s only plotting lines on a sheet without ever listening to it? Your claims walk a fine line between general truths and smearing of a credible builder.
Robert, you are missing the point. People send their speakers to Danny because they paid little for it and want it to sound better for a few dollars more, never because they are purists. Just like cars, some people want all the parts to remain original, weather it gets 10 miles to a gallon and 0 to 60 in 30 seconds. Personally I am in favor of my B&W 606 sounding like a 702 after a $200 after market upgrade. Danny is my Guy, and he should Never work for free.
@@denniswilliams3934 The thing is Danny isn't just enhancing what you already own like making a car go faster, he is completely changing the characteristics of the speakers sound, as you are probably already aware Danny loves a flat response, if you originally bought a set of speakers like the 606 because you liked how they sound, Danny's upgrade will not make your speaker sound like a 702, nothing like it, I'm not saying it won't be an upgrade, just be aware it won't be a B&W speaker anymore.
Tweeter is easy to remove 😂🤦🏻♂️, The grille itself is just held on by magnetic force. You can easily lift it out of place. (One single edge of the grill has a little tab) Also, the laser etched metal circle just pops off after the grill is removed. A little force needed and it will pop of, exposing the screws for tweeter.
Some older B&W tweeters are mounted using a screw inside the cabinet. You just unscrew it, and pop it out. As you say, these are really easy to remove, so the comment about "throwing them out" if the tweeter fails is... funny, and misleading. A replacement tweeter is 90 USD from the B&W parts store. These speakers are a good example of "expensive" crossover components in a bad design. I've compared them to Revel M16 and the difference is night and day. The 606s sound overly (I mean really ear piercingly) bright, out of phase, and the sound stage is flat. It's a bit sad since B&W used to make good speakers, at least the 700 series and above (I'm talking 20+ years ago). Inexperienced listeners will probably prefer the "detailed" tweeter at first, and that's probably why they are designed this way.
The tweeter is NOT mounted from the backside. The metal surrounding can be removed and you will see the tweeter is held in place with four BOLDS. I have mentioned this exact thing with B&W speakers before, and yet you are telling once again: when the tweeter is broken, throw it away all together. Danny, you talk like you know it all. If you don't know how to remove something, how hard is it to call the B&W importer and ASK how it is done? Now you are once again spreading missleading information. BTW: all drivers are held in with bolts (not screws), the case even has metal threaded bushes. How about that for build quality?
Sounds like B&W needs to clean house. A thousand dollars is nothing to sneeze at for many of us. Appears like their concentrating on their high end more. They get more word of mouth on the more affordable lines. Great job really enjoyed seeing the proof of what many were saying. From what I understand 1st order isn't easy to pull off and it's not for everyone.
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@@robinkleinsteuber5217 Agree 100%, the 606 S2 is $899, Paradigm sells the 200B which is Made in Canada for $999 a pair... If Paradigm can make enough money building them in the West, why can't B&W and many of these HIFI companies..... Greed.
@@robinkleinsteuber5217 Bowers and Wilkins DO sell and they are a premium brand.As for Mercs,i think they arent worth the money,not the new ones.I had one and the build quality was poor.I have a B&W speaker set and they are COOL sounding speakers!
6:25 Not sure what this dude is on about, the tweeter is super easy to remove. The screws are under the ring just like the woofer. Isn't this guy supposed to be an "expert" ? It is indeed replaceable, DON'T throw away the speaker like this guys says, don't listen to this really bad advice. Just let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.
i got my 606 s2 before the price increase for 600 at ABT and for the price they are AMAZING. I have the 705 s2s as well and for the money id recommend the 606s2s allll day
Ive got the 607 s2s proper premium speakers and one of the highest quality speakers in overall sound.Anyone who disses the brand like this nerd with his graph is a waste of space.
@@roberthyde7102 You don't charge 900 of changing crossover order.Or do you think you can hear a difference in sound if you change the internal cables? Stupid marketing of this guy to take your money.
I’ve often wondered who actually designs speakers in each price range for B&W or any other company of similar notoriety. And then, who approves of it before putting it to market? Is it a different design and approval team with each price range and product series or how does that work?
It would be neat if you could analyze some of the classic speakers from the 1970s such as the AR-3a, The Large Advent speaker, the JBL L100, The old KLH speakers, Rectilinear III, among others. I realize that these are probably not ones that you would make new crossovers for, but if you could confirm these speakers are performing like new, it would be interesting how the crossovers operate on them.
Richie is in my opinion disparaging speakers that are perfectly decent while presenting no comparative analyses of any kind(s), and while also promoting his own, dubious fixes for things - as has been repeatedly pointed out in the past - that need no ‘fixing’ of any kind at all. In my opinion, Richie is not good for the audio business because he appears to make his living largely by criticizing other makers’ products and offering his own, home-brewed ‘fixes’.👎
You might want to do a little more research. Upgrades are less than 10% of our business. It is done more as a service and to get people more involved and active in doing DIY work.
You look at some more down to Earth brands like Wharfedale which pound for pund beat these posers at less than 1/2 the price and realise we're been taken for a ride. People will buy anything these days that's been over-popularised by online reviews and social media posts created by the hype followers.
I was told the B&W 606 was an excellent speaker, but now I'm not so sure. I started to question other purchases and now am questioning the nature of reality itself.
I got some B&W 706s and they sound OK but lack "chuff" in the voice sound. The voice sounds "in the box" for that reason while the cymbal sound is strong. The graph @ 1:04 shows a dip @ 6 khz. Maybe they are the same speaker as the 706 but just in a less fancy box. My boxes are veneered with a great finish. They probably just rebuilt the 706 into cheaper wrap boxes (with the exact components) and called them 606. Trickle down. lol
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Now remember that you listen more to reflections from a speaker than onaxis. The average of the before measurements is ok horizontally. The tweeter is removed from the front by removing the grille, it loosens easily at the bottom first. Then remove the decoration ring as on the bass unit. The tweeter can now be removed by loosening the four machine screws. Remember that you can always ask an authorized dealer if you are in doubt about something another time. (Google translate)
I realise that they are not B&W speakers anymore, but Danny is a means to get way more expensive sounding speakers, from cheap speakers. It seems that speaker manufacturers make the cheaper ones sound bad intentionally. The Nautilus demo on YT sounds heaps better than my B&W 706 speakers. My speakers are a bit foofy in the voice sound, not throaty enough! Yet the Nautilus have heaps of timbre in the voice sound. Nice and throaty, just how I like it. 😅
Thanks so much - even with my basic understanding of acoustics, I appreciate the timing issues etc. I was about to purchase a very good condition pair of used ones.
Is incredible that a company like B&W makes this phase problems, and the tweeter assembly is a total garbage design, I would not buy a speaker that I can't replace the tweeter, maybe was a cooker the one that design that speaker, that 8khz peak must make a very colored high frequency's, I find a very shy tweeter at 13khz making no air at all
not going to address the 8 Khz major peak ? a notch would have fixed it. what a disaster of a speaker from a known brand. they are off my list of brands that know what they are doing :(
Video Request: can you please do a video explaining why these giant hifi companies dont do this from the beginning. im fine with the cheap cost cutting. but stuff like phase irregularities and bad driver choices that have weird ringing and band-aids to fix them. these mega companies have to have the best measurement equipment in the world including anechoic chambers. how do they get away with this level of product?
I always admired B and W speaker design from just a visual perspective and all I read showed they were very highly regarded by listeners . So because we no longer have shops , I bought a pair of these , relying on reviews and hope as well as how nice they looked , foolish I know . I have such resentment for the way we are forced to buy most things now where the very worst type of catalogue long distance shopping is now the main form ! They arrived, looked nice enough but the sound was hard , thin , sharp and seemed to have something like a gap in the sound somehow ,as you said , a ‘ hole’ . I know they are small speakers but this was odd and so unenjoyable I actually stopped listening to nearly all my music . Usually when we buy new speakers we spend days , weeks , months rediscovering a love for songs with which we had become a little tired of hearing but would find new life and inspiration on hearing again . Not these speakers . I don’t ,Ike analogies or hyperbole but the sound was close to getting my teeth drilled in that is gave me the feeling of tension and headache . I persevered for a month or two but nothing changed , what I first thought was revealing clarity was just ,thin and empty. Disappointed to say the least and don’t believe a word of the reviews ! Bring back shops , please !
B&W had that colored sound that is alleged to enhance or be better for vocal range. Flat is not good due to room differences. But audio is really not measured but enjoyed musically as surely measurements we HV are sorely lacking psychoaciustically. Case in point ate tubes which measure abysmally but sounds so much more realistic that any good recording uses it from it's source to the recording. Our ears are the most advanced acoustic tool we have, let's use that more. Only you have to train it by listening to actual instruments live.
Danny I can really understand and appreciate your knowledge and your talent. All those 100 hours into thousands of knowing what each part will do and applying them as always thank you for sharing. I just wish main manufacturers we'll have a really decent entry-level speaker to show showcase the rest. can we have a sound demo before and after then again this is your Channel and you can run it anyway how you feel fit too Ride Easy
I been sound testing if you can call it that on UA-cam now for about a week or two with B&W"s Wharfdale, Sonus Faber and a few others all in bookshelf size at different class/grades. And I have to say with all the demo's I have encountered your channel is always present bashing all of these makes. If you are so good let the speakers...speak for themselves. Instead of saying you are that much of a better engineer then they are, and your equipment is so far superior, prove it. The proof is in the pudding Pal send a pair out, let them be nationally reviewed and let the chips fall where they may. The only people I know that critics someone else's stuff in the way you do are people who are insecure with themselves and with what they have and where they are. I am a Great finish carpenter cabinet maker, but publicly I will never say that I use the term I rather be lucky then good and there is someone always better. I don't need to boost I show my talent everyday with no stop rave reviews. I hear none from your products. You are an insult to the audiophile community and to the companies of the backs you are riding on by your little tweak packages Good Day Sir
Not trying to be that guy. But in this scenario with a BW, isn’t it like buying a Ferrari and installing a Porsche engine because you don’t like the sound?
Are there ANY speakers that you like without a teardown and rebuild? I don’t like the idea of buying new speakers just to tear them apart and rebuild them. It may be fun for you, but there are those of us who’d rather not do that.
I saw a review of the signature series of this speaker not long ago and the YT reviewer thought it was a mess. After your review, I know why. It was out of phase at certain frequencies.
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When you factor in the very large quantity of units produced, I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual B&W cost per pair was less than $100. The basic GR-Research Bravo-X speaker would slaughter these things.
Speaker is big, expensive, ugly, best of all it sounds bad (apparently). But come'on Danny, couple videos of it now you've complained the tweeter is damn near impossible to replace. $10 flexible 1/4" extension from any hardware store fed through the back port and you're done in a minute.
Superbly done! I wish that there was more reporting, like yours, on real product quality. Subjective reviews are obviously NOT enough. Keep up the good work and thank you.
@mkmkmk845 You call that math? That's not much math at all. It's a few easy to read graphs and verbal interpretations. These measurement graphs are a means to get us to even better music reproduction. Geez, I'm a musician first, and I appreciate any effort done to better serve the music.
@@robinkleinsteuber5217 can these graphs tell which stereo amp + speakers I should buy without listening to them in person if yes then this is the best video on UA-cam for me.
I have watched a number of your video clips and am always surprised at the level of cheap parts used regardless of what the retail price point is, 500 bucks a pair or 15K a pair.
Any new speaker that you buy at that price point will also be loaded with the same budget level parts. The most cost effective way of taking them up a few levels is to upgrade the internals.
I have a relatively modest budget and I am not what you'd call an audiophile....meaning I didn't understand more than half of what you said. I just know that I like what I hear. Is there a speaker you like that doesn't cost $10K?
Is this upgrade kit also suitable for the original B&W 606, not S2, logically it should as crossover reportedly was the only difference between these models?
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Guys, the numbers can't tell if its a good sounding speakers. Just looking at the graphs doesn't mean a lot. let's face it, the modern techies used all the analysis of a Strad Violin and made the new violins show better graphs. Guess what, Strad still sells for 8 digits and the new violins that hit all the right graphs but no one wants to pay more than 5 digits for them. Same as here, all the numbers research doesn't mean you make a better sounding speakers. Enough said. Its not numbers but Its your ears stupid. JMHO.
It would really help if you recorded a before and after video for some of these upgrades. Lounge and rock song would be good... or some orchestra piece. If you have an chamber of some sort to take measurements... record song while there.
@@qddk9545 i listen through a set of s580 sennheiser 🎧 headphones. Some recordings on the internet are pretty good but an A B comparison if you show before and after at these gives you a apples-to-apples comparison. I have been able to hear side-by-side comparisons on the internet that are as good as going to hifi store.
@@franciscoortiz6980 It doesn´t matter. If that would work, you could buy a top of the line stereo set and re-record all your CD´s, and every decent system would sound like your high end system. It is sooo naive.
@@qddk9545 are you drunk ? What you typed does not make sense. I was talking about sound clips for before and after upgrade... and you somehow went to cd ripping???
B&W may or may not be aware but that ”little bit of a proud area” might be the real reason they went for a lower electrical slope higher up in frequency instead of a steeper filter lower down. This mod might be tuned to a very well treated room, not emphasize as much of the wide dispersion and hot power response of the tweeter at lower frequencies.
Danny, I've watched a bunch of these upgrade videos and have learned a lot, but my question is this - when you give the price for upgrades at the end of the video, is that per SPEAKER, or is it per PAIR of speakers? I know which one I hope... lol. Just clarifying.
I have seen some of the reviews about this speaker and the more negative reviews match the conclusions here. With that, this is almost a text book case for the hypostasis that you can replace listening with measuring. I am not taking a side here, just making an observation.
Aren't you worried about that rise in the 6-8khz range where most sibilance occurs? I'm real sensitive to it personally, I can take a hot mid range better than the place where the esses live. I much prefer AMT or planar tweeters, but they too can make my ears bleed with Sssssss. It's not a P or a T for me, but those esses will kill me every time. Anyway, I really like these videos showing the measurements, good stuff man. Cheers 🍻.
I think the 705 turned out better based on the on axis and of axis response. With this 606 it seems there is still small treble peak like you mentioned as well as extra off axis contribution in that 2.5k - 6k region
@@RennieAsh: No contest, the numbers don't lie. But I'm just wondering why he left that rise in the tweeter when it's in a fairly critical range, at least for me it is. Would a notch filter there break it elsewhere? I really don't know, that's why I ask questions. Cheers 🍻.
Actually that brightness where sibilance occurs is much lower in range. That type of issue is usually closer to the 2kHz region or lower. 6 to 10kHz is well into the upper harmonics, and like I said in the video, they tend to drop off in that range in the off axis.
@@dannyrichie9743: Not for me man. I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the bulk of what hurts my ears with Sssssss, is exactly 6.3 khz for both men and women speech. If I take 3-6 Db there it makes me want to take more elsewhere because that does not fix the entire problem, but that is exactly where the problem occurs 'strongest' for me! It is exactly 6.3 khz where the strongest sibilance occurs in every vocalist, every time, for me. Cheers 🍻.
Thanks very much Danny, I have a pair of 684 and the treble is terrible lol I have a hearing loss that starts at about 5500 hz (tinnitus) and your saying there is a big drop in the speakers response in that area, no wonders the BW are not a good match for me. I'm in a lot of facebook groups and just recently I came across 3 peoples who want to build super tweeters for their BW , looks like redesigning the tweeter would be a much better option. Thanks so much for explaining this.
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It needed a lot of help. Whoever voted for this speaker as a speaker of the year must be the same person that voted for Caitlyn Jenner as woman of the year.
I generally do not write comments on UA-cam. This video made me do it. I have the B&W 606, 607, 603, HTM6 and M-1 Speakers. These speakers are simply amazing. All these measurements are simply pointless in the ears of the listener. I have 606 in my stereo listening room paired with a spectacular Denon stereo amp and an SVS subwoofer. The 606 is simply spectacular. Best musical speaker I have ever heard and I am an audiophile. Forget the mixed reviews, forget all the measurements; B&W 606 are simply awesome and amazingly fast and musical. Period
I have seen both bad and good reviews on those speakers,I have never heard them, but I have own plenty of b&w and They have never disapoint. Right now i have the 702 s2 and i think They are incrediable sounding speakers,
@@DF-et4gs yes and whats bad about that, as long as you enjoy the music on your speakers it dosen’t really matter what other people say, its much better find out yourself, b&w is not for everyone, but they have that kind of signature sound that lets me enjoy the music, now 600 and 700 series is completly different, 700 series is much better in terms of details and clarity, and i listen to a couple of different speakers before i decide on 702 s2🤗
Bowers and Wilkins turnover is $ 100 million! With such huge resources one would expect a perfect product to be released every time and regardless of price point?
DR had nice things to say about the wiring. “Pretty decent stuff”. That is a plus. He had nothing to say about the crossover materials so apparently its a price -appropriate design or else he would have a comment like he typically does. Piece of tin? Not quite DR!
Great video as always. Just a helpful addition to your video. The tweeter's beauty ring pops off exposing the mounting screws for the tweeter. No special tools required to remove it.
I just got a pair and I suspected they were boosting somewhere in the upper mids and treble range, its a really shrill, fingers down a blackboard kind of sound. On certain recordings it sounds like it's clipping. Particularly bad with vinyl or vinyl DJ mixes, it's in the frequency range that blows up any surface noise and causes bad sibilance on vocals and snares, it's really not very nice. Only had them for 2 days but I can't live with this. Some stuff sounds really good, I appreciate why people like them but anything in that frequency range to me just sounds nasty, I need something more accurate. Great to hear that my ears weren't deceiving me, those are considerable boosts between 4-10k
Interesting, 1st order x-over at this price level, less expensive design but trying to achieve better phase or group delay? Fewer components in the circuit? I used 3rd order back around 1980 when I wasn't tri-amping.
These speakers were not developed in house would be my guess shame the acoustics team was absent from the project, probably to save money. A quick turn from another design team from somewhere else fastback ed to make money. Shame. They should failed the internal evaluation. Harsh HF
Honestly, i Don't know How the reviewers test an Speaker, The way i do is, the first step i drink a full cup of coffee, next i put my amp on pure Direct, the speakers settings on Large (full range) turn off the Sub, and i start to listen 3 ft away in front of the speakers, i do this test after 50 hours to play the speakers, as the factories usually recommends, and works for me.
No it won't and I think that's the point , If you are happy with your purchase don't modify it . If you don't like them this is an option for people who aren't having fun when listening to them and like to mod .
@@noco-pf3vj Well all the B&W line so far have not been my taste either but some people love them. Overall more options are better than less options IMO.
I have these speakers and note that the plastic port and post component can be unscrewed and removed. Was it not possible to do this to get at the tweeter?
@@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549 ha, yeah the resale value isn't going to be great after all the recent negative UA-cam reviews they've been getting. However, in practice they're not the car crash some are making them out to be. They're on the bright side but still fairly pleasant to listen to.
You all know this is not the original BMW they sold the company that sounds United and obviously obviously the quality because it cost came down I’m gonna be in the bingo owner right now I have no issues with their product I have heard some of the new product and I was not impressed for the price that they’re charging it’s OK if you got the money and you love the company not me I’m an audio file purest know they failed so I’m in United getting your Asian engineers together and come up with some thing at the right price you’re not rules right you’re not Lamborghini you’re not bikini we’re getting your not even
I hadn't been a fan of teardowns that reveal cheap parts, but ones that make little or no audible difference to an audiophile, but I think the whole 600 line *IS* cheesy, in many ways. The corners B&W had cut to meet the line's price point, were evident. I had gone with Monitor Audio's Silver line instead, years ago, instead of the 683. MA Silvers are built better for under $2000 (but not always providing better sound than some others). I hadn't liked the 2.5 way woofer problems with the Silver 6. 2600 Hz crossover point was too high and I wished I had gone for the more expensive 3 way.
I got 5.1 system 606 B&W on the front 607 B&W at rear the center B&W HTM-62 the Subwoofer is Klipsch the Amp Sony STR-DH770 and the sound of all this is Amazing, you can fix the sound in the EQ settings in the AMP. I would not change anything to my speakers because if i change something to my B&W They would not be B&W Anymore , i trust more in my ears than on the science in this case, but, Mr Dany should Build their own Brand, it would be interesting, of course count me as a customer, I am sound lover.
So with a simple 1st order tweeter cap reversing phase by 180° is that why i have found inside some simple crossovered speakers with the tweeter wired in reverse ?...positive x-over cable to negative tweeter tag & negative x-over cable to positive tweeter tag.....
Has anyone here done this mod ? It's a big change going from 1st to 2nd order. Would love it if an actual customer talked before and after. In particular, does speaker lose its detailed clarity and transparency that b&w known for?
7:08 love this channel. this guy has no filter, love it. but, seeing him wipe his nose all the time and then touch the client's speaker. i am getting freaked out watching. 7:32 and picking his ear and then touch the client's speaker.
Just a small bit of criticism no insult or harm intended. I have watched IDK 40% of your video's. When you start talking about the test and show the graphs and talk about them its as if you were talking into a mirror or another sound engineer and they understand every thing you just said. I have tried to understand the graphs and what I am looking at or its like your taking to a classroom that has already went thru the first trimester of learning the ABC'S. I am a 42 year Boat Bike ATV powersports mechanic and last 12 shop owner and sometimes I have to dumb it down when explaining to my customers. To grow your channel lots of people need to understand what the heck your talking about because I would say like your customers 90% of youtube watchers love music and HT but not to tech savvy on the scientific part of it. Remember most of us you will need to explain like you would to a child just learning. a pencil or pointer while showing the graphs would be a great help.
I don't know what it is about B&W speakers but they just don't do it for me. Heard some 804d's years ago and the salesman was raving about how great they were. I was thinking to myself are we listening to the same speakers? From memory they were connected to some McIntosh gear.
Just remember guys Danny is running a business, he isn't an impartial speaker reviewer, I'm not saying he is a bad person, or that he is misleading you, I don't believe that he is, but he does believe speakers should sound, and measure a particular way, remember that's what your buying into, his audio philosophy, as long as you know that. Personally I think if you buy this kit your speaker isn't a B&W speaker anymore, you've converted it into something else, a 'Danny speaker' I guess, just remember to trust your ears first and foremost when auditioning a speaker, and the key word there is 'auditioning', no amount of measurement graphs is going to tell you whether you like it or not, only your ears can do that, and also don't forget that your room will have the biggest effect on your speakers sound, people really underestimate this, audition, audition, audition, get it right first time, and trust yourself, if you like it that's all that matters, then you won't need to fantasy about tearing your speaker apart to 'fix' it.
Dude you are spot on
that's all fine but not when he himself is criticising the manufacturers like they don't know how their speakers measure. Btw sine wave is also my favourite genre of music. eh not . Measurements are a guide and the most important thing to note is that how the production speaker sounds from any brand is very deliberate by the manufacturer. Otherwise just buy a custom speaker by this dude.
… and B&W is not running a for-profit-business? Speakers are built at a price point. The 606 are not creme de la creme in any aspect. So what makes you think they can’t be bettered? And what makes you think Danny doesn’t know what he’s talking about? Are you sure he’s only plotting lines on a sheet without ever listening to it? Your claims walk a fine line between general truths and smearing of a credible builder.
Robert, you are missing the point.
People send their speakers to Danny because they paid little for it and want it to sound better for a few dollars more, never because they are purists. Just like cars, some people want all the parts to remain original, weather it gets 10 miles to a gallon and 0 to 60 in 30 seconds. Personally I am in favor of my B&W 606 sounding like a 702 after a $200 after market upgrade. Danny is my Guy, and he should Never work for free.
@@denniswilliams3934 The thing is Danny isn't just enhancing what you already own like making a car go faster, he is completely changing the characteristics of the speakers sound, as you are probably already aware Danny loves a flat response, if you originally bought a set of speakers like the 606 because you liked how they sound, Danny's upgrade will not make your speaker sound like a 702, nothing like it, I'm not saying it won't be an upgrade, just be aware it won't be a B&W speaker anymore.
Tweeter is easy to remove 😂🤦🏻♂️, The grille itself is just held on by magnetic force. You can easily lift it out of place. (One single edge of the grill has a little tab) Also, the laser etched metal circle just pops off after the grill is removed. A little force needed and it will pop of, exposing the screws for tweeter.
Some older B&W tweeters are mounted using a screw inside the cabinet. You just unscrew it, and pop it out. As you say, these are really easy to remove, so the comment about "throwing them out" if the tweeter fails is... funny, and misleading. A replacement tweeter is 90 USD from the B&W parts store.
These speakers are a good example of "expensive" crossover components in a bad design. I've compared them to Revel M16 and the difference is night and day. The 606s sound overly (I mean really ear piercingly) bright, out of phase, and the sound stage is flat. It's a bit sad since B&W used to make good speakers, at least the 700 series and above (I'm talking 20+ years ago). Inexperienced listeners will probably prefer the "detailed" tweeter at first, and that's probably why they are designed this way.
Don't follow reviews, listen yourself.
The tweeter is NOT mounted from the backside. The metal surrounding can be removed and you will see the tweeter is held in place with four BOLDS.
I have mentioned this exact thing with B&W speakers before, and yet you are telling once again: when the tweeter is broken, throw it away all together. Danny, you talk like you know it all. If you don't know how to remove something, how hard is it to call the B&W importer and ASK how it is done? Now you are once again spreading missleading information.
BTW: all drivers are held in with bolts (not screws), the case even has metal threaded bushes. How about that for build quality?
B&W are high end speakers for a reason.Build quality and superior sound.
Sounds like B&W needs to clean house. A thousand dollars is nothing to sneeze at for many of us. Appears like their concentrating on their high end more. They get more word of mouth on the more affordable lines. Great job really enjoyed seeing the proof of what many were saying. From what I understand 1st order isn't easy to pull off and it's not for everyone.
I'm looking at the Paradigm 200B, look good and Made in Canada
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They seem to be hoping that the marque, like the Mercedes name in cars, will sell the product with no second thought.
@@robinkleinsteuber5217 Agree 100%, the 606 S2 is $899, Paradigm sells the 200B which is Made in Canada for $999 a pair...
If Paradigm can make enough money building them in the West, why can't B&W and many of these HIFI companies..... Greed.
@@robinkleinsteuber5217 Bowers and Wilkins DO sell and they are a premium brand.As for Mercs,i think they arent worth the money,not the new ones.I had one and the build quality was poor.I have a B&W speaker set and they are COOL sounding speakers!
6:25 Not sure what this dude is on about, the tweeter is super easy to remove. The screws are under the ring just like the woofer. Isn't this guy supposed to be an "expert" ? It is indeed replaceable, DON'T throw away the speaker like this guys says, don't listen to this really bad advice. Just let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.
i got my 606 s2 before the price increase for 600 at ABT and for the price they are AMAZING. I have the 705 s2s as well and for the money id recommend the 606s2s allll day
Ive got the 607 s2s proper premium speakers and one of the highest quality speakers in overall sound.Anyone who disses the brand like this nerd with his graph is a waste of space.
Why does the-manufacturer do what you just did before releasing it?
I think it’s a legitimate question!
Because they want to charge $900 like he said and use cheap parts .
@@roberthyde7102 just imagine if Danny had Center page advertisement in major magazine's
@@roberthyde7102 You don't charge 900 of changing crossover order.Or do you think you can hear a difference in sound if you change the internal cables?
Stupid marketing of this guy to take your money.
@@alexandercyborg5308 I doubt I would hear a difference between cables and tube connectors but the improvements in this case would be noticeable.
I’ve often wondered who actually designs speakers in each price range for B&W or any other company of similar notoriety. And then, who approves of it before putting it to market? Is it a different design and approval team with each price range and product series or how does that work?
Every speaker sucks, end of video series. Let’s save time folks.
It would be neat if you could analyze some of the classic speakers from the 1970s such as the AR-3a, The Large Advent speaker, the JBL L100, The old KLH speakers, Rectilinear III, among others. I realize that these are probably not ones that you would make new crossovers for, but if you could confirm these speakers are performing like new, it would be interesting how the crossovers operate on them.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING
Richie is in my opinion disparaging speakers that are perfectly decent while presenting no comparative analyses of any kind(s), and while also promoting his own, dubious fixes for things - as has been repeatedly pointed out in the past - that need no ‘fixing’ of any kind at all. In my opinion, Richie is not good for the audio business because he appears to make his living largely by criticizing other makers’ products and offering his own, home-brewed ‘fixes’.👎
You might want to do a little more research. Upgrades are less than 10% of our business. It is done more as a service and to get people more involved and active in doing DIY work.
You look at some more down to Earth brands like Wharfedale which pound for pund beat these posers at less than 1/2 the price and realise we're been taken for a ride.
People will buy anything these days that's been over-popularised by online reviews and social media posts created by the hype followers.
I was told the B&W 606 was an excellent speaker, but now I'm not so sure. I started to question other purchases and now am questioning the nature of reality itself.
Trust your ears. B&W spks are purposely tailored for a particular sound signature that some love while others simply loathe em. Choose your poison.
I got some B&W 706s and they sound OK but lack "chuff" in the voice sound. The voice sounds "in the box" for that reason while the cymbal sound is strong. The graph @ 1:04 shows a dip @ 6 khz. Maybe they are the same speaker as the 706 but just in a less fancy box. My boxes are veneered with a great finish. They probably just rebuilt the 706 into cheaper wrap boxes (with the exact components) and called them 606. Trickle down. lol
for the price they are amazing
At the end of the day it's entirely up to you what you want to believe. Something that seems to not be "out there" in large quantities anymore.
You remind me of a Doctor lol . " Well ma'am/sir ---- sighs -- you're not gone like this . Your bmi is scary , thyroid not looking it's best , rbc is like of Dracula and estradiol is astronomical ,but I have a fix for this ... SoniCap "
And your response is lumpy.
@@HansDelbruck53 with a hint of cheese
So these Huge companies with every tool available to them simply don't know anything about building speakers...wow
I’m loving the sound of these paired with a marantz cinema 50. I get no harshness upper frequencies at all? My hearing is pretty damn good.
If you think that sounds pretty good then you need to hear them after the upgrade.
There are many days I wish I had my own beauty ring.
Go design n make your 'perfect' speaker n see how it sells .. don't waste time telling how bad other speakers are
We do offer and sell our own products and we do quite well.
B&W is charging way too much for a substandard Chinese speaker,. Basically a budget $300 dollar speaker that they sell for $900 because of the name.
@@DougMen1 I'm looking at the Paradigm 200b the bookshelves made in Canada....
To match my new Arcam sa10
Now remember that you listen more to reflections from a speaker than onaxis. The average of the before measurements is ok horizontally. The tweeter is removed from the front by removing the grille, it loosens easily at the bottom first. Then remove the decoration ring as on the bass unit. The tweeter can now be removed by loosening the four machine screws. Remember that you can always ask an authorized dealer if you are in doubt about something another time. (Google translate)
I really like to see some German classic speakers, Canton,Heco,Quadral,Magnat. Specially Canton.
and nubert and vienna accoustics
Definitely Vienna Acoustics - Mahler's
Send a few to him. I'm sure he'd love to see them too.
My beast Heco Celan Revolution3 Revolution7.
Braun-->ADS
I realise that they are not B&W speakers anymore, but Danny is a means to get way more expensive sounding speakers, from cheap speakers. It seems that speaker manufacturers make the cheaper ones sound bad intentionally. The Nautilus demo on YT sounds heaps better than my B&W 706 speakers. My speakers are a bit foofy in the voice sound, not throaty enough! Yet the Nautilus have heaps of timbre in the voice sound. Nice and throaty, just how I like it. 😅
Thanks so much - even with my basic understanding of acoustics, I appreciate the timing issues etc. I was about to purchase a very good condition pair of used ones.
Is incredible that a company like B&W makes this phase problems, and the tweeter assembly is a total garbage design, I would not buy a speaker that I can't replace the tweeter, maybe was a cooker the one that design that speaker, that 8khz peak must make a very colored high frequency's, I find a very shy tweeter at 13khz making no air at all
not going to address the 8 Khz major peak ? a notch would have fixed it. what a disaster of a speaker from a known brand. they are off my list of brands that know what they are doing :(
You could show it's not stressful on the tweeter by showing distortion levels of the final product and compare it with the before.
Video Request: can you please do a video explaining why these giant hifi companies dont do this from the beginning. im fine with the cheap cost cutting. but stuff like phase irregularities and bad driver choices that have weird ringing and band-aids to fix them. these mega companies have to have the best measurement equipment in the world including anechoic chambers. how do they get away with this level of product?
I always admired B and W speaker design from just a visual perspective and all I read showed they were very highly regarded by listeners . So because we no longer have shops , I bought a pair of these , relying on reviews and hope as well as how nice they looked , foolish I know . I have such resentment for the way we are forced to buy most things now where the very worst type of catalogue long distance shopping is now the main form !
They arrived, looked nice enough but the sound was hard , thin , sharp and seemed to have something like a gap in the sound somehow ,as you said , a ‘ hole’ . I know they are small speakers but this was odd and so unenjoyable I actually stopped listening to nearly all my music . Usually when we buy new speakers we spend days , weeks , months rediscovering a love for songs with which we had become a little tired of hearing but would find new life and inspiration on hearing again . Not these speakers . I don’t ,Ike analogies or hyperbole but the sound was close to getting my teeth drilled in that is gave me the feeling of tension and headache . I persevered for a month or two but nothing changed , what I first thought was revealing clarity was just ,thin and empty. Disappointed to say the least and don’t believe a word of the reviews ! Bring back shops , please !
HAYY ERRBODEE! Love it! Always get excited to see the charts before and after!
Anyone else get that too?
B&W had that colored sound that is alleged to enhance or be better for vocal range. Flat is not good due to room differences. But audio is really not measured but enjoyed musically as surely measurements we HV are sorely lacking psychoaciustically. Case in point ate tubes which measure abysmally but sounds so much more realistic that any good recording uses it from it's source to the recording. Our ears are the most advanced acoustic tool we have, let's use that more. Only you have to train it by listening to actual instruments live.
Danny I can really understand and appreciate your knowledge and your talent. All those 100 hours into thousands of knowing what each part will do and applying them as always thank you for sharing.
I just wish main manufacturers we'll have a really decent entry-level speaker to show showcase the rest.
can we have a sound demo before and after then again this is your Channel and you can run it anyway how you feel fit too
Ride Easy
He doesn't build the new crossovers, just sells the kits, there is no way to listen 'after'
He will never do it......hahah
I been sound testing if you can call it that on UA-cam now for about a week or two with B&W"s Wharfdale, Sonus Faber and a few others all in bookshelf size at different class/grades. And I have to say with all the demo's I have encountered your channel is always present bashing all of these makes. If you are so good let the speakers...speak for themselves. Instead of saying you are that much of a better engineer then they are, and your equipment is so far superior, prove it. The proof is in the pudding Pal send a pair out, let them be nationally reviewed and let the chips fall where they may. The only people I know that critics someone else's stuff in the way you do are people who are insecure with themselves and with what they have and where they are. I am a Great finish carpenter cabinet maker, but publicly I will never say that I use the term I rather be lucky then good and there is someone always better. I don't need to boost I show my talent everyday with no stop rave reviews. I hear none from your products. You are an insult to the audiophile community and to the companies of the backs you are riding on by your little tweak packages Good Day Sir
The truth is speaker companies all color sound in one way or the other fact!!!!!!.
Peace...
Most of the new speakers are not worth the price.
Would’t it be great to hear the speaker before it’s modified an after to compare the sound of the two to see if we like what the changes do.
Not trying to be that guy.
But in this scenario with a BW, isn’t it like buying a Ferrari and installing a Porsche engine because you don’t like the sound?
Danny have you tried a head mounted microphone? Convenient and good tone without it getting in the way.
I had this speaker for a couple of weeks - way too bright, edgy & unpleasant to listen to
Are there ANY speakers that you like without a teardown and rebuild? I don’t like the idea of buying new speakers just to tear them apart and rebuild them. It may be fun for you, but there are those of us who’d rather not do that.
There are some gems out there. I just shot a new video that answers that question and it will be out very soon.
.... if a company like B&W is not to be trust why I should trust you ?
I saw a review of the signature series of this speaker not long ago and the YT reviewer thought it was a mess. After your review, I know why. It was out of phase at certain frequencies.
Now we know which reviewer we can trust. Not that we should trust any reviewer completely.
@@r423sdex Guttenberg is a shill.
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@@judged8549 100uf copper foil cap? Are you kidding? No such animal, bro. Small value copper foil caps run $300-$500.
This is more like a $200 speaker in my opinion. $600 worth of Bitcoin hype
This is the kind of speaker you get when you use Bassbox pro, and flea market tweeters.
When you factor in the very large quantity of units produced, I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual B&W cost per pair was less than $100. The basic GR-Research Bravo-X speaker would slaughter these things.
Andrew Robinson was Right. Damn!!!!!
Speaker is big, expensive, ugly, best of all it sounds bad (apparently). But come'on Danny, couple videos of it now you've complained the tweeter is damn near impossible to replace. $10 flexible 1/4" extension from any hardware store fed through the back port and you're done in a minute.
Do u just look at paper response or listen to both u never really talk about the actual sound
Just a little video to show how to dismount the tweeter ua-cam.com/video/miEEJBIyLr0/v-deo.html
I really don't understand why B&W didn't do it right???
Superbly done! I wish that there was more reporting, like yours, on real product quality. Subjective reviews are obviously NOT enough. Keep up the good work and thank you.
No not needed, we just want good music not math class.
@mkmkmk845 You call that math? That's not much math at all. It's a few easy to read graphs and verbal interpretations. These measurement graphs are a means to get us to even better music reproduction. Geez, I'm a musician first, and I appreciate any effort done to better serve the music.
@@robinkleinsteuber5217 can these graphs tell which stereo amp + speakers I should buy without listening to them in person if yes then this is the best video on UA-cam for me.
Paul McGowan HATES the B&W tweeter. He's got a fair amount of bona fides in the audio world.
He’s not alone.
I have watched a number of your video clips and am always surprised at the level of cheap parts used regardless of what the retail price point is, 500 bucks a pair or 15K a pair.
Bro, stop touching your nose and ears 🤢
it is better to jugde your self some reviews are not true.
Who cares changing a tweeter !!!!
First time to this. Had a loon at your kit - $409.
You actually serious!?
Buy new speakers.
Seemingly technical waffle
Any new speaker that you buy at that price point will also be loaded with the same budget level parts. The most cost effective way of taking them up a few levels is to upgrade the internals.
I have a relatively modest budget and I am not what you'd call an audiophile....meaning I didn't understand more than half of what you said. I just know that I like what I hear. Is there a speaker you like that doesn't cost $10K?
Sure, we offer a large selection of them.
Hello guys. Could anyone recommend a decent pair of bookshelfs for around $1000? THANKS
We have a lot of high quality DIY kits that you can build for under $1,000.
I've heard all b&w speakers have Van Den Hul wires inside. That would explain Danny's finding
Is this upgrade kit also suitable for the original B&W 606, not S2, logically it should as crossover reportedly was the only difference between these models?
What is better, closely matched quality drivers or crossover parts quality?
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Closely matched drivers allow for fewer parts in the cover and this ultimately is better in the long run..
Guys, the numbers can't tell if its a good sounding speakers. Just looking at the graphs doesn't mean a lot. let's face it, the modern techies used all the analysis of a Strad Violin and made the new violins show better graphs. Guess what, Strad still sells for 8 digits and the new violins that hit all the right graphs but no one wants to pay more than 5 digits for them. Same as here, all the numbers research doesn't mean you make a better sounding speakers. Enough said. Its not numbers but Its your ears stupid. JMHO.
You are correct. There are a lot of other factors here that limit performance. Fortunately they can be improved.
It would really help if you recorded a before and after video for some of these upgrades. Lounge and rock song would be good... or some orchestra piece. If you have an chamber of some sort to take measurements... record song while there.
No it would not. You can not hear how a set of speakers sound thru YT and your own PC speakers.
@@qddk9545 i listen through a set of s580 sennheiser 🎧 headphones. Some recordings on the internet are pretty good but an A B comparison if you show before and after at these gives you a apples-to-apples comparison. I have been able to hear side-by-side comparisons on the internet that are as good as going to hifi store.
@@franciscoortiz6980 It doesn´t matter. If that would work, you could buy a top of the line stereo set and re-record all your CD´s, and every decent system would sound like your high end system. It is sooo naive.
@@qddk9545 are you drunk ? What you typed does not make sense. I was talking about sound clips for before and after upgrade... and you somehow went to cd ripping???
B&W may or may not be aware but that ”little bit of a proud area” might be the real reason they went for a lower electrical slope higher up in frequency instead of a steeper filter lower down. This mod might be tuned to a very well treated room, not emphasize as much of the wide dispersion and hot power response of the tweeter at lower frequencies.
Danny, I've watched a bunch of these upgrade videos and have learned a lot, but my question is this - when you give the price for upgrades at the end of the video, is that per SPEAKER, or is it per PAIR of speakers? I know which one I hope... lol. Just clarifying.
For the pair. He has noted that in other videos 👍
BW інжинери не ловлять мишей?
B&w 600 series used to be so easy to buy and replace parts. The tweeter used to be a simple twist to unlock.
I have seen some of the reviews about this speaker and the more negative reviews match the conclusions here. With that, this is almost a text book case for the hypostasis that you can replace listening with measuring. I am not taking a side here, just making an observation.
Aren't you worried about that rise in the 6-8khz range where most sibilance occurs? I'm real sensitive to it personally, I can take a hot mid range better than the place where the esses live. I much prefer AMT or planar tweeters, but they too can make my ears bleed with Sssssss. It's not a P or a T for me, but those esses will kill me every time. Anyway, I really like these videos showing the measurements, good stuff man.
Cheers 🍻.
I think the 705 turned out better based on the on axis and of axis response.
With this 606 it seems there is still small treble peak like you mentioned as well as extra off axis contribution in that 2.5k - 6k region
@@RennieAsh:
No contest, the numbers don't lie. But I'm just wondering why he left that rise in the tweeter when it's in a fairly critical range, at least for me it is. Would a notch filter there break it elsewhere? I really don't know, that's why I ask questions.
Cheers 🍻.
@@Finite-Tuning I guess he thought he'd have to charge $50 extra for the notch
Actually that brightness where sibilance occurs is much lower in range. That type of issue is usually closer to the 2kHz region or lower. 6 to 10kHz is well into the upper harmonics, and like I said in the video, they tend to drop off in that range in the off axis.
@@dannyrichie9743:
Not for me man. I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the bulk of what hurts my ears with Sssssss, is exactly 6.3 khz for both men and women speech. If I take 3-6 Db there it makes me want to take more elsewhere because that does not fix the entire problem, but that is exactly where the problem occurs 'strongest' for me! It is exactly 6.3 khz where the strongest sibilance occurs in every vocalist, every time, for me.
Cheers 🍻.
Thanks very much Danny, I have a pair of 684 and the treble is terrible lol I have a hearing loss that starts at about 5500 hz (tinnitus) and your saying there is a big drop in the speakers response in that area, no wonders the BW are not a good match for me. I'm in a lot of facebook groups and just recently I came across 3 peoples who want to build super tweeters for their BW , looks like redesigning the tweeter would be a much better option. Thanks so much for explaining this.
Dielectric affecting the sound? Sound like BS to me
Sorry, this is a no BS channel.
Crack'n job Danny!
I'm buying these speakers later in the week and will send them to Rick to get pimped-out! Thanks bru!
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Why would someone send the winner of speaker of the year to
Danny?
It needed a lot of help. Whoever voted for this speaker as a speaker of the year must be the same person that voted for Caitlyn Jenner as woman of the year.
I generally do not write comments on UA-cam. This video made me do it. I have the B&W 606, 607, 603, HTM6 and M-1 Speakers. These speakers are simply amazing. All these measurements are simply pointless in the ears of the listener. I have 606 in my stereo listening room paired with a spectacular Denon stereo amp and an SVS subwoofer. The 606 is simply spectacular. Best musical speaker I have ever heard and I am an audiophile. Forget the mixed reviews, forget all the measurements; B&W 606 are simply awesome and amazingly fast and musical. Period
What a joke the 606 S2 turned out to be.
I have seen both bad and good reviews on those speakers,I have never heard them, but I have own plenty of b&w and They have never disapoint. Right now i have the 702 s2 and i think They are incrediable sounding speakers,
I can spot the fan boy 😉
@@DF-et4gs yes and whats bad about that, as long as you enjoy the music on your speakers it dosen’t really matter what other people say, its much better find out yourself, b&w is not for everyone, but they have that kind of signature sound that lets me enjoy the music, now 600 and 700 series is completly different, 700 series is much better in terms of details and clarity, and i listen to a couple of different speakers before i decide on 702 s2🤗
Overpriced hype brand.
Bowers and Wilkins turnover is $ 100 million! With such huge resources one would expect a perfect product to be released every time and regardless of price point?
DR had nice things to say about the wiring. “Pretty decent stuff”. That is a plus. He had nothing to say about the crossover materials so apparently its a price -appropriate design or else he would have a comment like he typically does. Piece of tin? Not quite DR!
Great video as always. Just a helpful addition to your video. The tweeter's beauty ring pops off exposing the mounting screws for the tweeter. No special tools required to remove it.
I just got a pair and I suspected they were boosting somewhere in the upper mids and treble range, its a really shrill, fingers down a blackboard kind of sound. On certain recordings it sounds like it's clipping. Particularly bad with vinyl or vinyl DJ mixes, it's in the frequency range that blows up any surface noise and causes bad sibilance on vocals and snares, it's really not very nice. Only had them for 2 days but I can't live with this. Some stuff sounds really good, I appreciate why people like them but anything in that frequency range to me just sounds nasty, I need something more accurate. Great to hear that my ears weren't deceiving me, those are considerable boosts between 4-10k
Interesting, 1st order x-over at this price level, less expensive design but trying to achieve better phase or group delay? Fewer components in the circuit? I used 3rd order back around 1980 when I wasn't tri-amping.
These speakers were not developed in house would be my guess shame the acoustics team was absent from the project, probably to save money. A quick turn from another design team from somewhere else fastback ed to make money. Shame. They should failed the internal evaluation. Harsh HF
Absolutely awesome work! Thanks for sharing these projects this is very interesting stuff! Subbed!
Honestly, i Don't know How the reviewers test an Speaker, The way i do is, the first step i drink a full cup of coffee, next i put my amp on pure Direct, the speakers settings on Large (full range) turn off the Sub, and i start to listen 3 ft away in front of the speakers, i do this test after 50 hours to play the speakers, as the factories usually recommends, and works for me.
Nerd.
I think that bump is B&W's signature sound, if we change it to flat response, will it not be a B&W anymore?
No it won't and I think that's the point , If you are happy with your purchase don't modify it . If you don't like them this is an option for people who aren't having fun when listening to them and like to mod .
@@matthewhilty4209 Well, I think the best option is don't buy B&W speakers in the first place.
@@noco-pf3vj Well all the B&W line so far have not been my taste either but some people love them. Overall more options are better than less options IMO.
Is there a speaker that Danny likes?
Yes, I have my favorites.
I have these speakers and note that the plastic port and post component can be unscrewed and removed. Was it not possible to do this to get at the tweeter?
You: "I have these speakers"
Me: "Sorry to hear that"
@@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549 ha, yeah the resale value isn't going to be great after all the recent negative UA-cam reviews they've been getting. However, in practice they're not the car crash some are making them out to be. They're on the bright side but still fairly pleasant to listen to.
B&W have had that high crossover point in their two way speakers for ages. It's just another way of cheapening out on xover components...
You all know this is not the original BMW they sold the company that sounds United and obviously obviously the quality because it cost came down I’m gonna be in the bingo owner right now I have no issues with their product I have heard some of the new product and I was not impressed for the price that they’re charging it’s OK if you got the money and you love the company not me I’m an audio file purest know they failed so I’m in United getting your Asian engineers together and come up with some thing at the right price you’re not rules right you’re not Lamborghini you’re not bikini we’re getting your not even
I hadn't been a fan of teardowns that reveal cheap parts, but ones that make little or no audible difference to an audiophile, but I think the whole 600 line *IS* cheesy, in many ways. The corners B&W had cut to meet the line's price point, were evident. I had gone with Monitor Audio's Silver line instead, years ago, instead of the 683. MA Silvers are built better for under $2000 (but not always providing better sound than some others). I hadn't liked the 2.5 way woofer problems with the Silver 6. 2600 Hz crossover point was too high and I wished I had gone for the more expensive 3 way.
Is the kit for both speakers, or do you have to buy 2 kits?
All upgrade kits are for a pair.
I got 5.1 system 606 B&W on the front 607 B&W at rear the center B&W HTM-62 the Subwoofer is Klipsch the Amp Sony STR-DH770 and the sound of all this is Amazing, you can fix the sound in the EQ settings in the AMP. I would not change anything to my speakers because if i change something to my B&W They would not be B&W Anymore , i trust more in my ears than on the science in this case, but, Mr Dany should Build their own Brand, it would be interesting, of course count me as a customer, I am sound lover.
So with a simple 1st order tweeter cap reversing phase by 180° is that why i have found inside some simple crossovered speakers with the tweeter wired in reverse ?...positive x-over cable to negative tweeter tag & negative x-over cable to positive tweeter tag.....
Has anyone here done this mod ? It's a big change going from 1st to 2nd order. Would love it if an actual customer talked before and after. In particular, does speaker lose its detailed clarity and transparency that b&w known for?
7:08 love this channel. this guy has no filter, love it. but, seeing him wipe his nose all the time and then touch the client's speaker. i am getting freaked out watching.
7:32 and picking his ear and then touch the client's speaker.
I've got a pair of these and one of the woofers has just stopped working. Anyone got any tips for how to remove?
Just a small bit of criticism no insult or harm intended.
I have watched IDK 40% of your video's. When you start talking about the test and show the graphs and talk about them its as if you were talking into a mirror or another sound engineer and they understand every thing you just said. I have tried to understand the graphs and what I am looking at or its like your taking to a classroom that has already went thru the first trimester of learning the ABC'S. I am a 42 year Boat Bike ATV powersports mechanic and last 12 shop owner and sometimes I have to dumb it down when explaining to my customers. To grow your channel lots of people need to understand what the heck your talking about because I would say like your customers 90% of youtube watchers love music and HT but not to tech savvy on the scientific part of it. Remember most of us you will need to explain like you would to a child just learning. a pencil or pointer while showing the graphs would be a great help.
I don't know what it is about B&W speakers but they just don't do it for me. Heard some 804d's years ago and the salesman was raving about how great they were. I was thinking to myself are we listening to the same speakers? From memory they were connected to some McIntosh gear.
I sure wish I was knowlegable enough & my hearing good enough to know why I shouldn,t like what I do like about the speakers that I like