Capitalism vs. socialism Town Hall | Part 4
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2019
- FOX Business’ Lou Dobbs, The New Voice CEO Herman Cain, Bianca Cunningham of NYC Democratic Socialists of America, “Capitalism’s Crisis Deepens” author Richard Wolff answer questions from a live studio audience about capitalist and socialist policies.
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Cost is never questioned when it comes to military spending, defense spending, foreign aid to Israel and Saudi Arabia, or subsidies for major corporations and industries. Cost is only questioned when it comes to social spending.
When Herman was insisting in the question "How would you pay for it?" I couldn't stop thinking how ridiculous it is to live in the richest country in the World, that has a military spending of 721.5 BILLION DOLLARS (more than the next 9 countries TOGETHER!), and still asking how that same country could afford basic human needs, all of this while having other less rich countries, like in Scandinavia, where they have done this with so much success.
They know very well that they can afford it, they just don't want people to understand it.
Don’t take the capitals seriously. They are just scared business men who realize their greed might come back to get them
@@caseystern6616 the workers are learning that they are worth more than 8$/h. This could be the start of a wider movement where workers are paid what they are actually worth and where CEO's pay is decided by the workers, as it should be
Cost is most definitely questioned regarding defense and military spending. You are doing it now. What you are doing is called "exaggeration." I do it, too. We spend a lot on the military.
I'm willing to bet that's because social spending is not profitable and god forbid we do anything for the people and not solely for the sake of profit.
Why is the audience shaking their heads "no" on easily verifiable facts? They can google "strongest economy in Europe" or "Germany free college for US citizens".
Lou Doobs:”there’s no such thing as a human right “
When we have International Human Rights after World War 2.
So what does he want to imply? We set what right should be given out of whim and not out of common sense??
Literally every time a socialist made a good point the next person just said “we know socialism doesn’t work” to ravenous applause. I laugh every time
Exactly
Capitalism advantages smart, ambitious, risk taking people, that's why many people like socialism...they think they can do well in life by not putting in the effort, well, news flash: IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!
Here’s a few problems that socialists have with their arguments that people don’t talk about
There is really a 1% in socialist countries to the other 99% are all paid fairly equally but they are paid almost nothing and they are at starvation wages
In capitalist countries there may be at 1% but there is also an 85% they can buy their own food in supermarkets that are chock-full of food
And buy their own clothes this is not possible in Socialism countries
Also in socialist countries no you don’t have a dictatorship of a chief executive officer or a board of stockholders but we do have one dictator in a city many many
Miles from where you live Who makes every decision for you personally and thus nothing gets done
Under capitalism every single person has a better standard of living
Take a look at South Korea versus North Korea or these workers in South Korea really exploited because the ones in North Korea cannot buy food
@Confidential Name
Under Socialism there is no other point of view than that of the state. Point blank.
A lot of these people that argue for Socialism would be the first ones denouncing their neighbors and family members so that their neighbors and family members can be taken away to a work camp or executed or possibly tortured this is what happens.
@@henryperez3559 that’s just not true at all. All a socialist country means is workers are the ones who decide wages in a democratic manner instead of the way capitalism works where the capital owners themselves decide how much their willing to pay you.
Richard speaks history. He speaks policy. He speaks facts. This Town Hall was a waste of time because they barely let him talk, and brought on no one competent enough to do more than five talking points.
I like the fact that this entire circus only had 2 people argue for the side of socialism while they had 5 people INCLUDING THE MODERATOR argue for capitalism.
Lol that moment when the "moderator" just spouts talking points for one particular side...real equal debate fox...
Then go watch CNN, you'll get the same thing for the lefties.
Ryan P This debate was a big JOKE. Fox rigged this debate
On the bright side, Fox actually having a conversation about Socialism. That's a game changer. I just hope people will not fall into these fallacies, scare tactics and child arguments by these millionaires.
@@thethirdgeneration1738 You cant rig fact
Jon Crandall This is Fox, Facts don’t matter. That’s why all their employees are leaving,,, for the lack of them.
Lou "there is no such thing as a human right" Dobbs really made my day today.
The host don't even try to be moderate throughout the hole show, it is 3 against 2 there, not counting the audience. Yet they held up beautifully, even though they were interrupted several times.
Are we still asking how we’re gonna pay for it when in the same year Amazon became a trillion dollar company they paid $0 taxes
Yesterday’s Show ya ok what happends when they run out of money and go out of Bussiness because people like these socialists are running it. And no they wont be trying to pocket any money considering they already want to take other peoples money. Not to mention amazon was in the red until like 4/5 years ago. That means they were loosing money.
Ohhhh Amazon should pay for it... right...
Amazon pays lots of taxes, such as property tax, payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc. While I agree with you that it is outrageous that they don't pay corporate taxes, that doesn't lead to Socialism! That means that you close loopholes. You don't amputate your arm because you keep getting splinters. You sand down the wood so that it doesn't happen again.
Yesterday’s Show you don’t understand how taxes work. There are payroll taxes, sales use taxes and an array of domestic and international taxes that companies all pay regardless of their annual income. They didn’t pay any income taxes because they had deductible expenses that allow for companies ....all companies....to invest in their company to make the final product or service more efficient and more varied in product or service. Amazon paid billions in new tax revenue to local state and federal treasuries that would not have existed without their incredible enterprise. They paid a highly disproportionate share too. You think they should be taxed more because their success is paying off for you and everyone. That’s a great incentive for the next Jeff Bezos....yeah, good idea.
Also, everybody already pays way too much for college, because it's privatized. If it was public, the cost would go down, so everyone would pay less. The capitalists know this, they are just lying. Same with health care, everyone would pay less. And it's the same doctors and same hospitals, so quality wouldn't go down. It's just a mountain of capitalist lies. Greed greed greed from sad sad people.
“There’s no such thing as a human right”
@Willy Pete Nobody cares what Lou Dobbs is saying
@@CrowClouds Lou Dobbs is a Trump Toadie and lackey.
Total lie human rights depend on where you live capitalism is soulless so of course not in america or but in germanybor Denmark they care about their people
@@kmtgoddess7793 Capitalism you have no rights, no democracy, no freedom in the work place either. You have no rights in the work place under capitalism. Americans mistaken capitalism for democracy. They are different. Capitalism destroys democracy. They worship capitalism while at the same time, it's is killing them. Yes, Europe takes better care of the their people, yet we call them dirty socialist. That's what the American Corporate media trains Americans to do.
It was nice of Bianca to show up on the show and not answer any questions. Richard had to do all the heavy lifting. No pun intended.
And, she was wearing jeans with holes in them, while the rest looked like they were there to have an intelligent conversation. Who could take that lady serious with the clothing selection she chose that morning, to wear on national television??
Cyr How, Nah, Bianca's stool had to do the heavy lifting. Thank Goodness that stool was not built by a socialist, because it may have bottomed out.
@@erinapollo8189 She looks like a tick just before it pops.
But she did answer questions, albeit not with math and not addressing the tax-and-spend budgeting issue.
But when public spending per person stagnates while taxes decrease, it's clear that more spending can be paid for. The question is whether or not rich people will tolerate that money coming out of their dividends, capital gains, and corporate officer salaries.
Brilliant! @@TheGuy030770
Can we please knowledge that there is a difference between healthcare and health insurance
I think if we can agree on anything, we can agree that the two words you have there are, in fact, different words.
@@krackatarHealthcare is a service not a right. Everyone in the USA has access to healthcare services there are hospitals and clinics in every town.
If you have emergency an Er can not turn you away they have to treat you it is a Federal law that has been in place for over a decade called EMTALA....
Health insurance is what pays for repair or if something goes wrong , no different than home owners insurance.
You buy your home, you take care of your home or not and if something happens and it is a disaster then home owners ins covers it
@@krackatar Remember The Demon Party instilled a Penalty Tax on taxpayers who didn't have health insurance...OOps I stand corrected they called it a "FEE Nothing More"
@@sammack203 Do you build roads with road insurance?
Just like social and Socialist are two very different terms.
Why do they rotate 1 member from the capitalism side for every segment? And why did they choose Bianca to be on the panel? It obvious that she doesn't understand the details, technicalities and historical background to make for a fair fight.
I think Bianca held her own... She is well spoken and quite intelligent just a little misguided. It's hard to find liberal democrats to get in a debate situation! I would love to hear more of them with opposing sides! God bless!
Yes, good point! I have seen Wolff sat her straight before on historical inaccuracies.
mmmmSmegma Exactly, a 19yo girl who claims to work for Verizon for 6 years. Seems a lil fishy.
@chris smith "empirical evidence of success to bolster their claims" Richard Wolff provided empirical evidence we have from capitalism that shows it's not working to bolster his claim.
@chris smith Also... "Then they should've picked somebody else." ... Umm... Lol? I think that's what I was hinting at in my first message? wat? rofl....
wHEN was the last time any corporation such as Amazon that hasnt paid a cent in Tax
contributed to road building, to fast rail, to building or improving a hospital. to improving a class room, a child play ground it all goes into Jeff Bezos bank account.
And yet you and millions of others have the choice as to whether you want to give Amazon/Jeff Bezos your money.
Not everyone goes to college in Germany. The man doesn't understand the hierarchy of education in Germany that begins in school years and divides those who are going to have a university education, those who will attend trade schools and those who who do other types of basic jobs. It is difficult to pass the college entrance exams there and one must get the Abitur before one can attend this so-called "free" college.
Yeah these people who want socialism have some delusion that they'll get to do whatever job they want and everything will be so great. They'd be mighty surprised to find themselves working at the local dump when they get their beloved socialism.
If capitalism is so great then why is outsourcing a thing
Because you have the freedom to make business decisions wherever you want. That’s capitalism
@@thatguythisguy6828 You also have the freedom to buy elections and democracy.
@@Kim-Yo-jong Really? So you just think people go around buying elections huh?? You know like that filthy rich guy Yeah let me guess hmmmmm ..Trump the President! (still your president uh huh) He just used his wealth to buy the election for himself Right?... (LOL) How did I guess. I am so smart.. LOL *Look Creepy J.. Hillary had more money than Trump on the 2016 election. She ran a vast campaign and controlled the media. But she lost! A More Money Candidate lost to a Less money one.. Democracy won. Yeeey!! I rest my case! ...So much for your whinny theory. You just like democracy when it benefits your side and your side only. Go whine to Venezuela Snow 'a' flake. America love it or leave it!
@@MrAnibl lol Trump said in his primary campaign that he bought off politicians for favors later on and that it was common place. How is this so hard to understand?
@@greenbrickbox3392 You do know that this is corruption, right? Doesn't mean the system isn't working. He didn't buy an election he bought a candidate. The fault lies with the human not the system....
Loved it Charles ...Do it again!
She worked for Verizon on a commission basis and made less each year. Then that means she was producing less and less. Why should she be paid the same for producing less?
Russell Thomas Lol exactly 😂😂 this socialists just want everything handed to them 😂😂
Because she's a socialist a.k.a. a perpetual victim, that's why. The world owes her something
That's an assumption crafted to fit your narrative. We see news reports every day in which corporations cut wages, benefits, and jobs. This is not a unique or isolated phenomena.
greevar that’s not an assumption it’s based off what SHE said about her time at Verizon. Try understanding the whole thing before you run your mouth
Or the fact that more people are becoming financially unable to afford the services she provided at Verizon every year.
"There is no such thing as a human right." WTF?
Germany has a very low military cost. That is one major way they are able to spend socially. Yet out of that they still cant pay their commitment and promise to NATO.
Plz show me where Germany copped out of paying its pledge to nato...
@@meredithleavitt5815 They are paying less than they promised to. something like 2% GDP is what they are supposed to pay. At the moment it is closer to 1%. Why dont you do some research. Type in Germany paying less than they promised NATO
Maybe we should reduce our military then and stop fighting stupid wars on behalf of the Saudi terror state
@@greenbrickbox3392 We like oil.
greenbrickbox you should tell that to the Democrats who want the MIC to stay in place such as John Bolton or the Clinton’s
Every single person in the audience begins their sentence or question with "So..."
Ken Nickels Right Ken, that's how snow flurries talk nowadays...
is anyone in the Audience over 21yrs old? Where's their experience in life?
@@chuckkady7282 Guess you didn't watch the whole part and hear the last question.
@@kimobrien. nope
@@chuckkady7282 At 5:12 Michael age 57 asks his question. You mind is closed anyway.
"Capitalist vs Workers" there I fixed it.
So capitalistism made you take your crappy job?
@@christucker1353 No Survival instincts did. You have to understand in capitalism we have options. But those options have requirements. Not everyone can make good money without starting from the bottom. So yes...Capitalism did make him take that crappy job. If he wants better pay...He needs to improve his skill sets and hope you don't fall of the ladder. I like how rich people can say they are rich because they took risks. well so did thousands of other people but they failed and probably died trying, never to be talked about again.
@@2getheras177 you said they probably did you are speaking in hypotheticals. If you make smart decisions you will make it far in life. Save, invest, wait till marriage to have kids. Don't party every weekend. You CHOOSE TO TAKE A CRAPPY JOB. Been there done that.
@@christucker1353 Man, you sound like a reasonable person but that whole equation you set forth here doesn't take into account hardships, setbacks, or other unexpected life problems. Funny how you just addressed the fact that I used the word "Probably". What about everything else I said. You have the right idea about how to make it in a capitalist society but you are missing many factors tat interfere there. I'm also guessing it worked for you, so you assume it'll work for me and the rest of the people?
@@christucker1353 no Capitalism works best when you have more people willing to take crappy jobs.
the question, she says she worked for verison for 6 years, and yet she is 19? can someone tell me how that is possible.
I was wondering the same thing...
I’m a conservative but I like the idea about labor having a vote on board
You don't own the company. Why should a owner give the workers a vote? Did they risk their money to start the company? Did they have a good idea that everybody wants? Who is at risk if the company fails? All they do is lose their jobs but the owner have to burden the cost of failed business. Give me a break, dude…..
@@1flash3571 exactly
I don’t t want a vote I just want the opportunity to invest in the company and some great stock options
I agree 100%. Labor has no skin in the game. This is an interesting topic. I’ve done the “Build A Company” thing. Sold it to Rank LLC for a boatload. It was a brutal and Wonderful time. I guess
I’m older now, not as Darwinian. I struggle with a CEO who did not invest his money. All risks he takes are on the stockholders dime. Does he deserve a 50X salary exit package? Maybe? It’s interesting.
Did the Boeing CEO cut corners on 737 for profits vs Safety? Does he deserve a huge payout
Considering he was ok with corners cut to avoid new training to Airlines? 350 died. If he gets the
Boot, he will leave with massive pay out. He was 100% about profit.
they can, as soon as they buy stocks and own part of company, and risk of their capital will allow them to make decissions
Lou is right : there are no human rights, but there is an opportunity. And the government must create the climate for the opportunities for ALL citizens.
We _are_ the government. The government is us. It is through government that we do these things.
Ronald Reagan has succeeded in convincing everyone that the government is something else and something you should fear.
I hope you're not a pro-life anti-abortionist, because you just ham-stringed that movement. If there are no human rights, there's no justification to pro-life.
I joined the group ,Junior Achievement in 1967. This was an after school group which made a product and sold it. The fellow the group chosen as president was allowed to take a team to a larger city for meetings and training so I raised my hand and said I would also like to go to represent Labor. He told me that labor was not smart enough to attend. He then smiled and people chuckled and he looked at his Dad who was the adult there who smiled back at him approvingly. I stopped going to the meetings and when my Dad asked me why I told him what transpired and that this is not a paying job and I nor my family relied on me keeping this job and I will not work for someone who disrespects me. I saw just a shade of a smile grow on my fathers face.
Professor Richard Wolff should be invited on the show again
SamsungFanboy No he shouldnt. He is a moron
Milton Friedman originally quoted Jefferson.
And Benjamin Franklin said pretty much the same thing. He who trade security for liberty shall have neither liberty nor freedom.
Security is not only political but it also could be financial security. Why do you think wealthy people are wealthy in general. Because they were willing to risk. nothing ventured nothing gained. And when you own your own company you don't get any government handouts the government won't give you s***. my dad was a small business owner all his life so I grew up around it and he never made a lot of money but I can tell you he never got any government help. and all he ever made I think the most he ever made was $50,000 in one year most years it was 25,000 and he had to raise seven kids on that. He happened to be not so successful and becoming wealthy but he had a very fulfilling life and he loved his job he loved his family and at the end of the day you felt rewarded. And he employed some people actually the funny thing was is, he would joke around the family and he would always say his mantra for his business was, custom homes built by the homeless. Lol and it was true he employed a lot of homeless people. So he did provide a job for people that really needed a job. There's nothing wrong with capitalism I'm sure we both agree on that but I figured I would tell my story you have a good day.
Gotta just love how there was such an unbias host to control who he would allow to explain their points and who to cut off or quickly move on to another question to avoid allowing them to explain their points.
So true, this discussion should be done on an unbiased platform, not on fox business.
@@thaliagarcia9684 ikr
try CNN I hear they are unbiased.
How did she work 6 years at Verizon when she's 19?
She's not 19. The member of the audience that asked the question, Fiona, is 19.
Ok man, move to Germany then. What are you doing in the US?
Samuel Fernandez I personally would just let states do what they want. Ie If California wants to let them try free healthcare, open borders, and UBI let them. Just don’t bail them out if they bankrupt themselves.
Exactly, you know what he's doing in the US? Whining. LMAO
@Snappingturtle 267 and the funniest thing is the most people that are for socialism on the political agenda have the money to move to Germany they're the rich socialist they're not the poor socialist that's why they're in favor socialism. if you ever talked to a poor socialist on the other side of the fence you'll find out real quick they don't like socialism.
I don't get why you all are complaining and whining. You think your labour is worth more? Ask for more. If they don't wanna pay more then just go work for someone who thinks it's worth more. If you don't find someone willing to pay you a fair price for your labour? Isn't the America a free country? Start your own business and you can even choose to share the profit to your employees who you pay a minimum wage while paying for students their college educations with the profit you have left.
So for Germany, states decide on school policy, they had on lift their 'ban' in tuition because it was unconstitutional. An non EU cit. pays 1,5k euro tuition, EU citizen pay around 250(+-100) euro in other school fees and indeed the first year is free the next aren't then tuition starts. You might want to add tho that it's a VET system where they are schooled in a dual system to directly fit in specific jobs in specific industries. Their economy also benefits from the fact that their minimum wage is nearly half of what you commies are demanding. (It's gone from 8,5 to like 9 in 2019 I think). (that is before taxes indeed)
Also fun fact, as a(West-)EU cit I can inform you that taxes are sky-high, we have a low-schooled labor crisis which is why we make schools cheap, because only highly capitalistic enterprises and big-earners actually carry more then they collect.
EU is also rapidly converting to right-wing because they are tired of being lied to by the left-wingers, we are losing economically, more than half of starts-ups go bankrupt within a couple of years.
Croni capitalism and excessive CEO compensations are two reasons socialism is gaining ground. We need good healthy capitalism.
you are obviously poor,
People are afraid to take risks, they would rather go to someone else and offer themselves for a set wage and benefits than work for themselves, that is why people want socialism, because they feel that government may give them a better deal or stand up for them, but they will not just as rich ceo's will not. People with a working class mindset will always get a working class result.
@@zacht9805 Yes sir. William Wallace did not cy out , "Security." but "Freedom" .
Good healthy capitalism is social democracy which is what Sanders and AOC are arguing for.
Zach T how do you work for yourself when you can’t afford to pay yourself?
Well said Herman. Government shouldn't pay for health care, education, etc. The reason we have the greatest health care in the world is because of free market capitalism
The comment "49% of members of the Boad of directors is elected by the workers" is INCORRECT AND MISLEADING. The workers council (elected by the workers) are NOT PART of the board of directors! They are included on many meetings and informed about the decisions made, but only if the decision would be AGAINST THE LAW and thereby against the workers rights(eg. favoritising some workers and penalising others), then the workers council are able to act, otherwise it is a purely informational position
The most popular presidents have faught for social programs
Bugsea Popular to who?
And, it’s spelled “fought” (guess they didn’t teach you how to spell either, huh?).
Which presidents?
If you’re talking about FDR and LBJ, they were two of the worst presidents we’ve ever had. Their legacy is enslavement of people, too dumb to see what’s been done to them and why!
Too bad you weren’t taught the truth about that either but, you can do research on your own. If you care about America and want to know the truth (not what you’ve been fed), go read some books!
Yours is a truly sad comment!
Bianca was a disgruntled employee, that explained it. So young lady go start your own business and stop hurting those who did. I don’t like Verizon but I’m not complaining I just don’t use them.
k3V I agree, minimum wage is for college students or those just starting out. Allows employers to hire non skilled for less. Raising it only decreases the number of jobs and exclude those. Some just do not get it.
Go start her own business...? You gonna give her a loan or something?
Plenty of workers, of all kinds of businesses, have the right to be disgruntled - but all she’s advocating for is for worker rights, like they have been for over a century. Unless you want to work all 7 days with 12-16 hour shifts then be my guest
You’ve probably never struggled in life either
@@shortchubbyneckbeard1681 LOL, Let her do like many business owners did and work hard and save up her own money. "workers rights", yeah, they have the right to go find another job if they don't like how one is being run. Let her start her own business, then see how she likes being told how to run it by her employees.
Kayak Uprising 🤦🏻♀️ yes that is a great solution, everyone who is denied his rights as a worker or downright exploited can go open their own business - and who will work for all those business owners? Why people in the US have this weird idea that unless you OWN a company you have zero rights? Workers are not your servants that will oblige to every rule that denies them their basic rights and the answer - in a civilized society in the developed world at least - is not of course “take it or leave it”.
Lynn Moon thank you
This is a nice little series, however I'd like to see it go longer with more back and forth. I'm no fan of socialism, nor am I a fan of Richard Wolff but I'd like to hear rebuttals to all topics carried out in longer form. All in all this is far better than what they put on other networks.
go into depth on him he has fantastic ideas. expand your thought on capitalism instead of your only one given to you by a teacher/ other form.
How can you be 19yo and work for Verizon for 6 years?? She seems like she’s absolutely full of it.
Plz re learn math
Lol I really feel for anyone who thinks they'll make a career at the same telecom company for life. Those layoffs after aquisitions and restructuring are brutal and seem to be happening every few years when some finance company or holding group finds a way to squeeze out as much profit as possible.
Meredith Leavitt Thought you had to be 15 1/2 years old to have a job, learners driving permit etc? I know that’s what the law is in California.
@chris smith US style capitalism ended those jobs in favor of outsourcing, contractors, gig economy, automation and freelancers once firms realized that those would result in significant cost savings to labor as well as lower likelihood of labor mobilization. In the aggregate, US style capitalism does not reward being a good wage laborer or having company loyalty as the US economy is doing well and levels of income inequality within the US have soared, but layoffs continue, wages have stagnated, social mobility has plummeted below European levels and large corporations like Amazon and Walmart continue to increase size and become more monopolistic while having extremely exploitative labor practices.
Only a minority of people will succeed as freelancers and entrepreneurs, with most small businesses failing with the greatest reasons being no market need and lack of sufficient capital. For the vast majority of people who are not capitalists or well-paid workers in this system, socialism and collective bargaining makes economic sense, as corporations, market forces and HR firms are all collective organizing to pay workers as little as possible while extracting as much labor as possible.
@@greenbrickbox3392 there's no such thing as US style capitalism. There is capitalism, crony capitalism and corporatism or a plutocracy, take your pick. We are not currently under the first system. there is nothing wrong with unions and collective bargaining but it never happens in the private, and lobbyists make sure that the politicians play ball so that this never happens. The biggest problem that you advocates of socialism can't seem to grasp is that big government is socialism, and big government is 100% responsible for all of the ills that you outlined in your post. America needs to get back to the system that the framers of our constitution set up. You are right in that not everybody can be an independent contractor and be responsible for their own financial destiny. That is where effective small business comes in and that cannot exist in our current climate. But, if you think bringing modernized socialism or whatever you want to call it is going to fix these problems you are mistaken.
If I create the factory and the product and indeed the jobs then the product will be made in my factory the way I want it made and if you want a job you do it my way or leave, is that so difficult.
It is when they expect unreasonable hours and may provide sub par pay. Leaving is not the best decision always either because all companies may use a collective standard to offer similarly low pay. This applies to all job types not just factories. When they are focusing on profits above and beyond their needs/reasonable wants they do everything they can to cut costs, jobs, wages, competition, and benefits. If corporations were not driven by this incurable greed and played the markets truly competitively this would not be the case.
@@noobiusmaximus3232 you should start your own business; you appear to have it all figured out.
Of course, its much easier to take it from someone who already put in the work and made it a success.
They're not rights so much as opportunities. The rights are in freedom and liberty, which then establishes the opportunity to pursue a dream of one's own choosing.
This needs to be redone in long-form
2 people for Socialism with minimal talking time.
5 people for capitalism
More talking time...
This really makes the case for Socialism.
Fox News moment
6:23
Person at back right: “That ain’t it chief...”
that's true .
Great debate. But we have to stop inviting people who are 19 who live with their parents into the discussion.
They don't have a horse in this race.
Deeply sorry, but if people 18-37 are taking it upon themselves to organize is something called initiative!
Yeah should we should only listen to 60+ year olds who are going to be on their deathbeds when the destruction they've caused to the world arrives.
Yeah we need to stop inviting people who are unable to obtain independence a year after highschool due to housing costs outpacing wages to have discussions on either of those topics.
Camden McInnis you obviously don't have very good listening skills
great debate? really dude ? their top guns against Wolf and still dodging him...just weak!!😂😂😂faux news!! foh!!
Why does everyone ignore the fact, that it takes capital to start a business (unless you're a reseller), and that capital has to come from somewhere?
If 4 people come together, make loans and put forward capital to build a business (form an LLC or something), they carry the risk. If the business fails, they lose all their money and owe to the bank. The workers they employed lose only their jobs, but owe absolutely nothing to the banks.
The business owners carry all the risk, and thus, they get a larger portion of the profits, as they need to repay the banks to break even.
In the system they talk about, where wealth is distributed to all workers, you'd need your entire life to break even. Which person in their right mind would go into huge debt to take a risk at building a business, when all profits will be shared, they carry all the risk, and when it would take them an eternity to make any money?
Because the number one rule of America is don’t question capitalism /s
Good post comradd
Michael doesn't know the difference between human rights and civil rights
She's 19, but worked for Verizon for 6 years? Did I miss something?
Fiona, the questioner, was 19. Not Bianca.
@@Lurch685 ah I see, you're correct.
@Abraham Shekelbergstien That doesnt matter. She's an American now. That's how America works.
@@andrewkingland282 not if you come illegally. By its very definition you're not a legal citizen. Just saying
@Abraham Shekelbergstien touche, my man, touche!
All this debate--- the BOTTOM LINE IS - THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR ARE M I N E !!!! I'M NOT GREEDY , I'M PRODUCTIVE !!!!
Agreed. Workers deserve a larger share of the surplus and a larger voice within the corporation.
I'm glad that Fox is willing to talk about these kind of issues, and hosted Bernie for a town hall. Fox is getting way better than the rest of the MSM pack. Prof Wolff is raising issues that are valid, and we should realize that the worker co-op system run by the Mondragon network in the Basque region of Spain has created the most opportunity and in fact is the most prosperous region of Spain.
Gee. Who knew. What a surprise ending. I applaud the time-allotted effort by Dr. Wolff and Bianca Cunningham.
Lou Dobbs came with facts and poise! Herman Cain came with facts and Shut down juice yessssssss!!!!!! Love it!!!
Not even close.
Liberals are capitalists, idiot
There's a reason why socialism is creeping lol and creeping fast. Capitalism is failing to address humanities problems. hahaha can't wait for Post-Capitalism
@Joey BWhite power brother!!! Preach!!
@Joey B Socialism works really well until you run out of other people's money.
Okay, I hate to say it, but I agree with Wolff on the reference to the German system of board of directors.
That's cool Jeff. However that idea is not Socialism, it's just getting feedback from the staff and unions.
The Otaku Way socialism: WORKER control of the means of production.
State CAPITALISM: STATE control of the means of production.
The reason that Wolff and others criticize capitalism while advocating for state control is because they believe the government should reflect the will of the people. Like democracy
@@TheEuphonium412 Thanks for the definitions Ethan.
Sometimes, questions I like to ask when someone suggests something close to Socialism or State Capitolism is, "Do you trust the government as it is now?" Usually the answer is "no". Then, "Why would you want to give them more power over us "? Afterwards, there is a thoughtful silence.
Government has it place but it is the greatest monopoly and should be limited.
To those just scrolling though the comments, "Have a great day my friends".
The Otaku Way Yeah I have no idea where ‘socialists’ get off talking about ‘letting the government’ do anything. The government is supposed to be the will of the people, but it’s not. It’s the will of people who have power. Money is power, and capitalists have all the money. So who is it exactly that is ‘doing the governance’? Hint: it’s the people who want to screw you over
GREAT RESOURCE AND WELL MANAGED!! more TO COME!
Took my home as a disabled Combat Veteran through a scam of handing over my mortgage contract from one crook to another, from Rosen to Goldbloom then under an Arm they wouldn't lower the Adjustable rate to the 1.6% home loan rate, said they didn't have the ability to do that they were just a mortgage holding company that got the mortgages as a reward for a bankruptcy!! In the old days that would have turned the homes over the individual, who like me had already paid $168,000.00 into the mortgage, no not today. Today they just call it underwater and if you can't come up with the difference in the mortgage of what they say it was really worth and what you paid for it at the bubbles highest level then you lose your home!!! to the person who can pay the $60,000 for it, thus legally stealing your home, you lose the whole $168,000.00 you paid into it and all the new items and landscaping you put into the house to make it a home, in the amount of another $50,000.00!!!! all a Communist Operation of a Government that one goes out joins the Military and fights for in the name of a Republic, which has turned into a Democracy!!! A Democracy run by the Government a Republic run by the people!!!! Yet Corporations can take our homes, vehicles, and property, just about anything they want or allow the Socialist Corporations to do that to the common man!!! Even those who go out and fight the Wars for that Government!!!
Capitalism: Nice Suits
Socialism: Torn jeans & Long sleeve shirt
what about richard wolff?
Have you seem what people in the USSR dressed in.
There were plenty of good suits around in the SU
Especially from the 60s onwards.
The idea of all Soviets as wearing rags is outdated.
Germany GDP is a mere .07 percent. Vs Trumps 3.2%
What is the benefit of that when all the profits being made in the US from high GDP is going to wealthiest 1%? What good is high GDP when your country has ridiculously high wealth inequality, when you have a garbage low minimum wage? when you cant even guarantee your citizens right to basic health care? when you cant go to school without the fear of a mass shooting?
@@rileymiller1294 2nd year of his presidency and everyone I know (family, friends, co workers, etc) are still struggling and actually are worst off than they were prior the 2008 crisis. They're still waiting for the wealth to "trickle down" and we're still waiting for an increase in our wages as well after both 2017 tax "reforms". "The poor stay poor and the rich get rich". :/
@@rileymiller1294 If you had real capitalism you compete for the wages : a high min wage is met by Walmart not supplying stock clerks or isle shelf stocker's. The Store gets the same profits, because Walmart ended all competition in the towns they invade. The people are forced to drive miles to buy at a competitors store. Too many chain stores Block competition
@@MitchellMcLean1992 I can tell you're an unskilled worker too lazy to better your skills but wanting an over paid Socialist to get you the wage you want to pay the taxes on their unnecessary job for cry babies that want $10.oo an hr to put nuts on bolts. Become skilled and earn a living if you want more then survival pay Mitch. Poor poor Mitch with no education
When lou started speaking who said " I'm not sure I understand"?
Someone's phone
"China is a country America built." Finally someone mentions this. Where would China be today without US dollars, businesses, and tech?
Where would the corporate america be without Chinese labor and products.
I did not need college. So why should my tax dollars pay for some other persons college.
Tax dollars do not pay for federal government expenses because the federal department of treasury prints the currency. Tax dollars to the IRS exist only to remove money from circulation in order to prevent inflation. That means the federal government can pay for whatever it wants to pay for, currently trillions to the Pentagon, as long as it prevents inflation through some taxation. YOUR TAX DOLLARS would not pay for some other person's college, if federally funded. That is why your right-wing argument fails. Learn Modern Monetary Theory.
Make college free but mandate extremely difficult admissions. Or just make it free for STEM majors. If you fail out, you have to pay it back. Also educate people on technical schooling and pay for that. People feel like they have to go to college when they might be better off going to a technical school or doing an apprenticeship more. Germany is years ahead of us in education in all these aspects and we can learn a lot.
@@ericbrown5006 It means nothing and the argument of P B still stands. Government expenses causes the inflation by forcing the federal department of treasury to print more money. Taxation only convert this inflation into high market prices, unemployment, low salaries, longer work hours and poverty.
Your tax dollars do pay for some other person's college if federally funded, it pays for the inflation it causes. This is basic Modern Monetary Theory.
You want Doctors and Nurses to look after you when your old?
You want Economists and Scientists to make life more stable and comfortable?
You better start funding education.
all four parts and lou dobbs is the only one that came close to the heart of the debate! capitalism or socialism the only thing I am concerned with is my freedom the freedom of my children and grandchildren if you mess with that that's where your problem will arise... those socialist youngsters never had to fight for anything in their lives, have them fight for their country and maybe they will change their tune! or work for it . if you don't think your job is treating you right get another job..... or start your own income. government is never the way. less government is good government + + +
You do realize that the greatest generation voted for a president who instituted the most socialist policies 4 times while they were fighting a world war????
@@Mustard138 Yeah some policies they didn't turn our whole country into a socialist country like they say they want now there's a huge difference. Even with every rich persons dollar we couldn't afford to pay for just the free college alone for more than 3 years let alone everything else they want to be free. It's why every person who argues for socialism will not answer how it will be paid for it's because it can't and it's unsustainable when you do the calculations. I'm not willing to risk our country going bankrupt or turning into a third world country to try a social experiment that has failed almost all the time if not every time it's irresponsible.
@@wonkybomb1865 everyone who knows what they are talking about has said how they will pay for it. Bernie's sight has it. Do a little research and you'll know how they will pay. Even Andrew Yang and his UBI he has paid for and laid out all the numbers. Just because your ignorant doesn't mean it's not there or not true. Read a book.
Everytime you purchase anything, you are voting your support. This is how democracy functions in a capital society. Think about the power of that.
Jeff Carr Unfortunately with 47% of Americans saying they would vote for socialism I have a little hope for people actually thinking about anything instead of reacting strictly based on opinion and feelings LOL
@@ilovegod7539 Do not despair. God will bring us through. It will get dicey but we will make it.
Jeff Carr Amen I’m not living for this life anyway brother. I’m looking forward to going home one day whenever he so chooses.
Dave B I completely agree as a libertarian. Don’t come crying to the rest of us because you can’t control your spending And the wealth creators have left your state
For me as a someone who lived under both ideologies it’s really entertaining to watch this. Nobody have a clue in this whole discussion. Next time try to invite someone, who saw and felt how it works and can point the differences.
The socialists never answered the hard questions dealing with the “how”:
- “how much”?
- “how to execute this”?
- “how will the hierarchy look”?
They never really thought about what their asking for. I mean, our health care and education system create sick slaves. I think they should be fighting for Freedom, and leave everyone else alone. That includes the Capitalists. Fight for money to maintain steady value based on some value. People that understand money know the value of things dont go up, its the number of dollars printed, so each buck is worth half, then quarter etc. Our economy is based on us being able to print dollars for free, no other country can do that, yet their currency is based on the dollar. How you think we have the greatest military, and comfortable lives. Oh Germany build 100 BMWs and we print money . Fair? Or Columbia send us coffee. We print money. Lol. Crazy right. I cant advocate things i dont understand, and sound unfair. Illusions of wealth is what most have, and are sold to feel rich. Maybe some think they're just gullible. Freedom is priceless i know that much. Only God judges. Love Jay
They can't because it's fantasy. A pipe dream.
Oh they have answers alright: "Just tax the rich" . *eye roll*
The mondragon cooperatives in Spain is a good example. To anyone who is open minded and is ready to listen. I highly suggest you do your research and really understand why things happen the way they do.
Jeremy Corbin has a plan for it to happen in the UK. The govt will give loan to the workers who are given priority to buy they company when the decides to sell it. This is one way to do it. How much? Just one of those F-22 should be a good start. More conversation on this since this is not a simple thing, it won't be easy.
There is no reward without risk.
Dont say that loud near socialist
Utterly false. Risk and reward are components of gambling, trying to gain something you haven't earned by putting up something of value in a game of chance to gain possession of what everyone else has risked. Socialists believe that all gains must be earned by working together. Input begets output. Collective effort (i.e. teamwork) magnifies the outcomes for all instead of taking the output of the many and giving it to the few. The only risk anyone takes is when they try to take from the many to give it to the few.
@@greevar *yawn* move to a socialist country then and I'll count the number of days til your return.
If the company you work for goes under, it’s the owner who has the biggest loss, not the workers. The owner has also initially put up all the capital to start the business.
@@jacquibryce7327 No, that's only your assumption. There are hundreds to thousands of co-ops out there that were started, operated, and owned by the people who work there. My In-Laws helped start a co-op. Mondragon Corporation is probably the most successful out there.
If we have the money of endless wars, a bloated "defense" budget, subsidies for corporations, bailouts for criminal banks and allowing corporations to pay zero taxes, we have money for healthcare for all, education for all, we have money to fight climate change, we have money for infrastructure. Under state capitalism, which is the government we currently live under in the United States, we have corporate welfare paid for by the working people of this country and, we do NOT have democracy in the true sense of the word because state capitalism has not interest whatsoever in democracy, it's sole interests is domination.
@Snappingturtle 267 the 16 billion farm subsidies Trump is giving farmers means we are paying for Trump's tariffs twice
@tom you are right, we have never really been a democracy, the system has always been rigged in favor of the rich, during the ealrly days of the republic only white, usually anglo saxon, men who owned property were allowed to vote, poor white men were not allowed to vote, women weren't allowed to vote, forget the slaves and the native peoples - now my question to you is, if you are a working person, as am I, why would you want to live under such a system, are you a masochist? you enjoyed getting screwed by the ruling class? are you suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrome? do you have some serious self esteem problems? why would you want to continue getting screwed by the rich and powerful who own and control this country (and evidently own and control you), regardless of what the founding fathers said or didn;t say?
There are at least a few companies (Walmart is one of those) in the USA that allow employees to purchase stock in the company (usually at a better price too). You can even decide how much (or little) of your paycheck is used each week to make the purchase. You then become a shareholder. You get a ballot in the mail where you can vote for board members, etc and get invited to shareholder meetings. And, when you decide to sell your stock, you make some money.
Lou says there are no human rights? what about the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Thst whas the founding documemtstio of the USA. Its the only country in the world that offers fredfom and liberty. Docialists should move to china.
He's saying your not born with entitlement to anything to be glad you live in a country that protects the things that are DECLARED rights.
@Elliott Bronstein It's clearly what he's implying.
@Elliott Bronstein imply
C2 to communicate an idea or feeling without saying it directly:
@Elliott Bronstein There's the definition, thanks.
Folks defending the capitalism went from "We provide freedom and lift millions of people from poverty" in Part 1 to "There is no such thing as human rights and that is unaffordable" in Part 4.
Stunning.
That was just one old guy, not everyone
@@KaoticOrder They're defending the same thing though
Just because something isn't working the way you want it to work such as capitalism doesn't mean you throw it away because if it is working 50% or 80% be a part of the solution to making it work the other 50% to 20%. I was once told by a supervisor if you want to make change within your company join the people who make the change within your company and do it from within. This applies to everything in life in my opinion.
The fact that mainstream media debates have to go in this format of one talking point per person without addressing what the other person has said is why mainstream media is failing. If we actually let these people go at it off script we could clearly see who is the better debater.
What generally happens when you include Dr.Wolff in a debate on this topic is that he just steam rolls the competition, because he has dedicated his life to this question and simply knows more information that just about anyone else on the topic. The days where you had legitimately stimulating discussions on these topics died with the era of Freidman and Sowell, but I genuinely would have loved to see some of the more notable libertarians and socialists of today, such as Dr.Wolff, have these discussions.
What we are left with atm is a modern context that exemplifies the failures of both classical liberalism and keynesian thought that leaves us looking for answers at both ends of the extremes, with both having some very salient points. It's just that you'll never realise that both sides have great arguments if you only stick to watching Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
The truth remains, as it always has, that some systems do certain things better than others. The problem with ideology is that we are blind to the fact that one system isnt sufficient to achieve optimal outcomes, and it leads us into thinking that our system would do something, in particular, in a better way without first consulting the evidence. We are left thinking that government regulations are optimal, or that free market health insurance is optimal, and ignore the overwhelming evidence that these are both inefficient and suboptimal for the sake of societal wellbeing. Or maybe we are just deeply flawed and can never optimally use either system to achieve goals.
Count 'em. Every single point and segment was closed by the capitalist side. The moderator made sure of it and that's the "Fair & Balanced" Fox style.
@Snappingturtle 267 that has got to be one of the most irrational things i have ever read, congrats
@Abraham Shekelbergstien I bet your economics knowledge came from traveling around the world but you just can't write proper troll English somehow ;)
@Abraham Shekelbergstien Now that's almost OK, keep up striving!
How was she 19 working at Verizon for 6 years?????
MindYourBusinessGoogle ...good question! You are sharp. Maybe they got her age wrong? Maybe she started working for them at 19. Lol
I was asking that same question, her logic in her arguments reminded me of a high school kid
The person who asked the question was 19. Shows how smart most rightwingers are lol
@@thevoiceofthelost as opposed to the brilliant left wingers, who ignore empirical evidence to the contrary, and defend socialism? LOL
What a bunch of Hyper Vigilant Pricks, some of you wannabe conservatives are. Looking for a commie under every bed are you? The person who asked the question is 19. I'm a conservative capitalist, but some of you pricks make me sick.
Respect to Bianca at the end for changing the wording to Human "needs". It is fair to say that people "need" healthcare and education, but it is wrong to say that people have a RIGHT to those things. The reason the "cost" is important is because SOMEONE has to provide those things. If you put 10 people in a room and shoot one of them in the leg, that guy NEEDS healthcare, but if NONE of the 10 have medical training, then he isn't going to GET healthcare even if everyone agrees he should have it. This is where Bianca's point at the end fails. It's great to say that everyone SHOULD be free to pursue their passion and what they want to do, but what if no one WANTS to put in the time and effort to be a teacher and/or doctor. Or (as is already happening) what if too FEW people do so to provide for everyone that NEEDS it. Africa for example has a serious problem with doctors LEAVING once they're trained.
I was looking around my house at the things I own. Thinking about the things in my life I pay for trying to figure which things were produced by socialism. Turns out not a single thing; nothing in my life was produced by Europe, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela or the Democratic Socialists Republic of North Korea. All the things in my life were engineered in the USA, Japan, S Korea and some of them manufactured in China... China actually being more capitalist than any country I can think of, but with a a bit of ever shrinking socialism, and a whole lot of fascism mixed in...
Read the University of Princeton study:
Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
@Snappingturtle 267 start reading and stop watching corporate media,
That final quote was absolutely spot on. Brilliant
If I wanted to live in a Socialist society I would move to a Socialist country. America is America and I will die to keep it if I have to.
Couple reactions:
-The panel didn't do enough to distinguish between social democracy (essentially capitalism with a strong safety net/robust public programs) and socialism (workers owning the means of production, workers retaining the full value of their labor, workers determining the rules of the workplace).
-Herman Cain asked a perfectly valid question - "How will we pay for these social programs?". The issue is that there weren't any social democrats in the room, only socialists so there was no answer to be had. Ironically there's plenty of social democrats that have outlined exactly how these programs could be paid for. In settings like these, it would have been nice to have an actual social democrat to present this rundown.
-I didn't like the young girl's emotional arguments on a business show. It just comes off as childish in that setting. Instead she should have used more logical arguments like, "Why should workers only get a fraction of the profits when the business cannot produce value/exist without them?". Would the wealthy investors/businessmen still be opposed to what she's saying? Of course. But the everyday, working conservative may have a vastly different opinion.
-Any top down, authoritarian system should be discouraged as much as reasonably possible. I have no problem with encouraging individuals to create worker co-ops as an alternative to traditional/capitalist/top down business structures, however I wouldn't mandate either type of business structure. Let the market decide what does/doesn't work.
The problems with any economic model or governmental model is the imperfection in the human heart. No model can be perfect as long as this exists. Capitalism is the best model in an imperfect world. How do you improve Capitalism? You encourage people to go out and do the right thing. The individual can pick up the slack when inequalities exist - they can do so by their own free will, by giving of their own time, resources and talent. In short, Capitalism with good people who are willing to give. State coercion through the law will never cause people to give with an open heart.
So we all need heart surgery. LOL
Lou Dobbs a wise man. Thank you sir!
The Professor seems to forget how much bigger the U.S. is then German.
The point of size is a red herring. It's used everywhere someone tries to deflect the comparison of one nation to another. "But that country isn't as big as the US!" If that's the only counterpoint someone has, it's a desperate, impotent one. It's a distraction and has no bearing in the debate. Furthermore, the claim also lays open the possible argument that the US, being as large as it is, is too weak to accomplish the achievements that Germany has been enjoying as of late. You can't claim that US capitalism is strong while claiming it can't do what tiny little Germany has accomplished. Either US capitalism is strong enough to give everyone guaranteed healthcare, education, housing, and food, or it's too weak to do so while, somehow, Germany has been strong enough to do so.
i listened to all four parts, and have to say that it would have been better if you would have just narrowed it to four speakers (the same speakers) for all the segments. Herman and Lou did fine as did the folks representing the socialist view.
It is so appropriate that Milton Friedman had the last word in this debate because honestly he is the most intelligent man I’ve ever heard speak about economics. R.I.P.
If only he and Sowell tag teamed this bunch.
LMAO milton friedman c'mon bro...
Robert Williamson You have said nothing to refute Friedman and nothing of substance. Why? Why waste time showing us all how unimportant your thoughts are? I’m not your bro and you are no Milton Friedman.
@@heathkitchen4315 but you are my bro, and I am Milton Friedman
@@heathkitchen4315 but seriously, check out what Richard Wolff has to say about Friedman, as he is a lot smarter than I am
I moved to Texas because I liked a lot about Texas. If you like some other place... Move there. I know.... It's a hard concept to get.
Well here is the problem, liberals live here too. It's our home. Maybe you want a Roman Republic but we don't.
I guess you'll just be miserable then. We are already a republic. If you want to change that, it's our home. Go somewhere else 😉
@@Nuttertainment wez a REEEEpublic
This discussion is about Corporatism, not capitalism. Nothing mentioned about Self Interest, Individualism.
College in Germany is not completely free and you do have to pay the fees. But it is definitely much cheaper than in the US.
Great job, Lou Dobbs! Well said! Go America, go freedom, go equality 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Go Freedom of choice, freedom to compete, Freedom of Speech. No free $$$$ for those too lazy to learn or work
Capitalism is inherently unequal. The last 30 years the top 1% gained 20 trillion, the bottom 50% lost 9 trillion. The capitalists are ripping off the workers. Open your eyes.
@@TheMrMacintosh I like it when workers go on strike for equality like the GM strikers.
@@borisd4397 LOL Boris D (fool) What have you done to MAGA & KAG? WHAT FLAG DID YOU SERVE UNDER BORIS or were you hiding under it?
@@TheMrMacintosh They don't care. I think America has somehting in its water or something
The most stunted debate I've ever heard.
@Snappingturtle 267
This was hosted by Fox News... what did you expect Objectevism?
I mean the host revealed his bias by saying the other guy was fighting "the good fight for Capitalism"
@Snappingturtle 267
The English Liberal Tradition is what made America great.
It shaped your laws.
Ancient Rome and the English Tradyion both shaped your politics.
Capitalism as it exists now is what nullifies your vote.
Your voting for corporate puppets, Rep or Dem.
@Snappingturtle 267
Except the USA and the UK you historical illiterate.
It was the Liberals in the UK who turned the Absolutist Monarchy into a Constitutional one.
It was the Liberals who ensured power lay with Parlement and not a King.
It was Linerals who created the USA and wrote his Constitution.
It was Liberals who emancipated the slaves in France and abolished feudelism
And ushered in separation of church and state.
@Snappingturtle 267
You seriously believe Liberals didnt create the USA...
🧐
@Snappingturtle 267
Who cares? That's right, History is inconsequential isnt it?
Anyhow its Republicans who started the Vietnam War, Iraq and Afghan Wars.
All of which the US either lost or is losing...
Republicans always increase the Nstional Debt and size of the Government.
You take it not me.
Mr Cain was on the ball again. Australia just had an election, where the Socialist labor party was defeated. All week long their leader was touting massive expensive climate change policies. when asked how much would it cost? the answer over and over again "What would the cost be, if we did nothing?"
Why do they keep changing one of the panel personnel?
"There is no such thing as a human right." Hey idiot, ever heard of the Declaration of Independence??
""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
@Sue W
The Declaration of Independence says you have the "right to LIFE" (and "liberty and the pursuit of happiness"). But I guess that document is meaningless to you. You have demonstrated that by what you just said.
I think what he meant was that we have the rights that we give to ourselves. Rights that we as a society collectively agree everyone should have.
In that sense I agree the natural world doesn't give us any rights. But it's a little unfair to jump on the questioner because we commonly refer to these as "human rights" knowing that we don't get them just by virtue of being human but rather because we agree to give ourselves those rights.
Since we have now as a society achieved a certain level of abundant production, we can afford to give certain rights to everyone such as health care and education.
@Snappingturtle 267
What does "socialist government control" have to do with it?!
Do you think that granting people the right to life is "socialist"?!
Let me preface this by saying that in most regards I fall on the conservative side of the political spectrum. That being said though I do not believe there is any such thing as a human right. The world owes you nothing, just as you owe the world nothing. At the end of the day everyone is going to die and the world will keep going without you.
@@SolidAir54321 The term "Human Rights" literally is saying that just because you live it is a right. The idea that society as a whole or in general thinks it is a right because of economic standing says it is a feel good right. Problem is then how is it going to be paid for? How was it paid for before it magically became a right. You have a right to life meaning you can't just be killed off just because, not that someone else must provide food, shelter or care to ensure you live. That is tied to your other rights liberty to controlled your future and pursuit of happiness to provide yourself with what makes you happy. Property, money, education or poverty and disparage if that is your choice. Equality of access doesn't guarantee equality of outcome.
Bianca said she worked at Verizon for 6 years and she is 19.... wtf
More holes in her story than her jeans. She probably worked for her Tio in a nice central air environment and he told her she cant just sit around snapchatting all day so she formed a union with her other sibling to rebel, in honor of her social media queen Alexandria Cortez.
The audience member who asked the question was 19, not Bianca. You right wingers need to learn to read.
I love the last quote
They should not have moved on in the debate until the question about how much it will cost is answered it would be hilarious to see them try to answer
The girl Bianca did not answer anything except she wants everything for free.
USA PATRIOT Lol I want everything free please so I can go fat somemore
how old is she? What experience in life has she got? What's her education?
But when will the “how is it going to get paid” or “how much will it cost us” question be answered 🤦🏻♂️
Probably never, because if it was so easy to pay for, than they would have just come out and say how, but they didn't do that, did they? No, they went on and on about how bad some people have it and how good the programs in other countries are and how we need it.
How do you pay for anything?
@@thome581 That's the point, they will have to raise taxes and they don't want to say that because no candidate is going to win if they openly say they are going to raise taxes, so they go around the question.
@@frankleahy4309 what? Basically everyone is saying that they'd tax the rich more, certainly Bernie is
@@thome581 Lets see how that plays out or maybe we shouldn't! Bernie has already been called out by the "math people" and the analyst that his plan would not work nowhere near as good as he says it would, and Bernie has said "yeah we will raise taxes, but you will get all this FREE stuff for it." In other words it is all going to be a BIG MESS or we could LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE and not have to deal with another MESS!
Milton Friedman also supported a version of universal basic income through a negative income tax, but Lou Dobbs would never admit that.
People grow the economy better when their backs are pushed against the wall.
You prosper when you have no other choice and are given the freedom to do so.