The Best INPUT LAG Guide You WON'T Believe Works - VALORANT FORTNITE CSGO OSU RUST TARKOV CS2 ~0ms
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- +999fps? Nah. Whether it's Sysmain eating your ram, CPU time, and SSD bandwidth, Ethernet tanking FPS, or crappy Ryzen USB drivers, learn how to within 10 minutes resolve your PC input lag and Increase your 1% Lows FPS. 4 years of hands on research - 400 PC's optimised and built on Ebay and Facebook.
No XMP, Overclocks, or bios required. Yep, USB Wifi, Storage, and sound reduces input lag -- READ INSTRUCTIONS [!!BACKUP!!]:
This is a simple 4 step guide (+gameplay) to reduce and optimize input lag to nearly completely negligible EVERY BOOT -- allowing consistent head clicks in OSU, Touhou, Valorant, CS:GO, Tarkov, Rust, Fortnite, Call of Duty Warzone 2, and all else. I'm running a computer store in Australia since 2018 - and tweaking forever.
These are the settings I know that aren't fake or for the sake of gaining a few frames for worse lag - short of total Overclocking and memory OC tuning via XMP/manual speeds.
WARNING: BACK UP YOUR WINDOWS OR HAVE A SECOND PC TO BOOT FOR UNINSTALLING DRIVERS.
- LEAVE AMD; PSP PRIORITY/MSI MODE & Asus/Asrock SATA MSI AS IS. (trash controllers)
- INTEL MANAGEMENT ENGINE INTERFACE PRIORITY LOW (MSI OFF IS FINE)
- DO NOT CHANGE RAID ARRAY PRIO/MSI, NVME MSI LOW (Could Brick until different PC used to uninstall hidden drivers, device manager)
- CHANGE PRIO/MODES OF PCI, PCIE, Lanes, Hubs, Ports, Busses, and Root Ports to LOW.
- Some LAN and Most Wifi PCIE adapters will not allow LINEBASED mode, so just set them as High or buy a USB replacement. If Hitreg feels worse on LOW, Leave it on High or Undefined.
- Non M&K USBs Line LOW
For the USB cards: USB 3.x w/good reviews (95%+)
VLI VIA VL805
WIFI IS 8822BU
The only requirement is that your PC is stable. I have a tutorial on how to overclock Ryzen, and another one on how to overclock intel 12th gen and 13th gen by proxy. Reseat your RAM and CPU if you feel like you have any instability or abnormally high lag before or after. You need a water cooler above 12 threads past 4.1GHz. Reduce your speed of the cache OC core OC by about 0.1-0.2 if it still feels funky, and use good paste.
XMP is recommended, but optional. 2133MHz 1333Mhz ram actually runs incredibly snappy. You can use timing mode 2T for stability.
Summary:
1. Sysmain + HPET High Precision Event Timer Disabled. Game mode/HAGS enabled.
2. [!BACKUP WINDOWS OS!] All drivers {EXCEPT AMD's PSP/NVME/SATA, Most 5GHZ WIFI/Some LAN} ROOT/BRIDGES/HUBS}
Linebased, LOW,
Main USB Card High
Net Low/Hi/Undefined
3. Disable ALL Windows Updates
(4.) OC your VRAM (warranty void) (don't on laptops)
(5.) Rebar on
(6.) Cap FPS to 1-2x refresh rate Hz -1 Externally
(7.) Use plain screws
(8.) Lower VTT DDR voltages
USB cards free up critical PCIE scheduling for Keyboard/Mouse/GPU
- Plug a new USB 3 PCIE on the topside CPU PCIE slot for Ryzen boards
- Intel USB 3.0 faster than 2
- USB net, USB sound reduces CPU load (but adds interference)
MSI Mode orders and bundles interrupts; cue clickbait +999fps fake 'tuning videos'.
- Aim is quick, not controllable
- Linebased Mode is unordered with realtime CPU access - much more precise
- Sysmain 'caches files' badly. If you stutter opening chrome, that's thanks to Sysmain
- Sysmain off frees SSD/HDD, Ram, & CPU
- VRAM MSI Afterburner OC allows faster feedback
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i cant even explain how much you helped me, every game that i play has 0 delay and 0 lag thank you so much
how u fix?
Man, I'm a complete defender to the fact this game nerfes and buffes determined players during DM's at least... It's pretty clear how you are dominating one, you can win it, then u enter another, and start top fragging and suddenly, everyone kills you like they are gods, and none of your bullets will land until the 2nd or 3rd player are close to you in points, like to make it harder for you to win it. A lot of my friends (high elo) are with me on this
For me experimenting around the best ways to make input lag consistent is to find a goldilocks zone of voltage and clockspeed, for me ~ 1.3v CPU vcore, with 1.6-1.7v of VCCAUX (Input voltage), and 1.4v of DRAM voltage.
Then I run all my drivers on Undefined MSI or high, whichever works better. Currently using undefined.
I also run fast sync on without anything else toggled in NVIDIA control panel, and it works to smoothen out hitreg and eliminate most overswing. It is certainly strange as well to note that some days I can run Linebased with all undefined and it's smooth as butter for hitreg and overswing, but other days it's completely unusable and MSI mode it is as my fallback.
No joke this is the best video on reducing input lag I’ve ever seen. I’ve been going down the input lag rabbit hole for years now and your suggestions had the MOST benefit. Disabling HPET, disable MSI mode on everything, dedicated sound/Ethernet via USB (this was big for me. I had my headphones plugged into my Xbox controller. This causes huge input lag). Another surprising change was setting my RAM and CPU frequencies to match. Games feel real-time now! Thank you so much!
Rank up, king. Which games you runnin?
@@compuguy123 Mostly Apex Legends (source engine)
@@stuartsloan Dayum OK, sounds great! I personally use it to compete in CS:GO, the source engine also loads a lot of skins into VRAM/RAM, so make sure you don't have too many XD
These tweaks work especially well for games on Source. MSI mode for games like CSGO seem to make everything feel sluggishand juddery/poor netcode response.
@@stuartsloan Hi again, did a lot of further testing. Best settings for me are at everything low except for the offboard USB controller I'm using with my mouse and keyboard. I also did up all my screws for my PC with plain chrome screws to solve 'floaty hitreg/mouse' issues that remained through poor board grounding.
@@compuguy123 that’s a thing? Should I switch to chrome screws too?
READ THE WARNINGS IN THE DESCRIPTION! EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
USB 2/3.0 is always a strong fallback.
Don't use Linebased on your NVME's/SATA on Ryzen if it causes them to freeze up. Some older ports are susceptible to that. It can be fixed by toggling it off again in safe mode or on another secondary intel PC to uninstall your hidden SATA drivers though.
For AMD GPUs just use Performance textures and Anti Lag on. Sam is optional.
Some AMD systems will prefer ALL MSI Mode, especially ATX B550, and X570, which may have issues due to PCIE shielding and the southbridge dropping on Linebased, even for USB controllers. Surprisingly B450M motherboards I've tested from SOYO/Maxsun don't appear to have issue. Really badly shielded intel boards and few realtek NIC's have similar symptoms, like some Asrock Z370 Pro 4, though it is extremely rare. This is likely a design and shielding issue with the southbridge, which provides the USB controller and passes throughout the entire motherboard's thousands of traces.
In theory and practice MSI mode and Linebased mode will be hard to quantify on highspeed cameras. MSI will move the mouse at a similar response compared to linebased, but less consistently. If you draw a circle, both will look the same in paint, say at 8k res. LDAT is irrelevant for such a test, since we're more worried about mouse input consistency than screen response frame to frame.
But when you spray a rifle, Line by Line gives you far more granularity compared to MSI, which groups and orders your inputs against other devices. The only way I can spray an AK in real time and transfer accurately in CS:GO or Valorant, is by running Line by Line mode.
Think of Linebased essentially as raw-interrupt. PCIE VLI USB cards run better for me even on 12th gen intel against the native USB ports. They're much more responsive. On Ryzen you need to set the original USB ports to low priority or disable them completely, as they add input lag when left on with high prio.
FL1100 Fresco controllers seem to work OK for mouse and keyboard input
VLI805 is good for mouse and keyboard but WIFI may drop out depending on how it's setup and which firmware it is running
Edit: Don't buy NEC it got slower over time. Will test Asmedia cards next
Confirmed working Linebased only motherboards (If your motherboard requires MSI ethernet or SATA its not the end of the world):
Z170 series across the board;
Z170X UD3
Z170 ASUS Maximus VIII Hero
X570 Aorus ULTRA Gigabyte
B550M Gaming Gigabyte *NVME/USB Offboard may not function, depending on bios ver
B550M Asus TUF (minus the wifi AX200/210) *NVME/USB Offboard may not function, depending on bios ver
Broken SATA and WIFI/Ethernet controllers:
X570 Phantom Gaming SATA
B550M ASrock Steel Legend *NVME/NIC causes freezing
I225 Intel
AX2xx series Intel WIFI
Most old atheros WIFI adapters
bro please help; me i wanna ontick msi intel usb 3 on software its not workd after refresh what can i do please tell me thank you so much
Do you recommend setting gpu affinity to a single core for low input lag and consistent aim
Cannot confirm nor deny that.
I use hyperthreading atm but I've seen older systems prefer turning it off - but only on older systems from gen 3 and below.
Single core GPU affinity should help pacing since you don't need to time sync between all the cores, but I don't even know how you would go about it.
For CSGO with 8 cores hyperthreaded I use -threads 2 for best results in aim.
@@compuguy123 ❤️
I have noticed that the NVM controller is related to my ssd, will setting the priority to low decrease the performance of my ssd?
and does multiple devices sharing the same irq increase interrupt latency?
same IRQ ceilings, but if they're all on the floor it's less of a BR for the top place.
No noticeable difference in editing and day to day use on my end for the NVME's I got.
I've noticed my games loading a lot faster when I put them on high. Had it on low for a while without noticing.
if I USING MY LOGITECH G PRO SUPERLIGHT I WANNA SET HIGH ON USB 3.2? IN MSI UTILITY 3?
Tnx for informative video! I think, i will invest in usb audio/net devices, cuz makes a noticeable difference for u and many other people. In my testing: onboard vs pci slot audio/lan cards, i did always end with a bit more input lag. Could be cuz i not used cpu direct slot, what u mention in video, but again it could be, more likely, cuz it adds new entry in IRQ list of things, that sucking cpu time, so onboard/integraded stuff had edge in input lag. Now with turning all off and putting stress on usb controller, alone, that is great idea! I just hope to find proper brands, here in my poor living place! (Serbia) Now about nvidia control panel..I find "Threaded optimization" to be source of lag, sadly, in older game engines, that tend to run super responsive, with hammering one cpu core. About msi mode and rest...that is a bit tricky to...i guess depending how fast ur cpu is clocked, plus i keep gpu on default and only usb controller on high prio, plus all is in msi mode. That is what i find good on my pc hardware in moment. HPET on in bios and off in windows, for a bit more min fps stability/= less input lag, again in stuff that likes single core perf. I not play modern, heavy engines that using cpu cashe a lot and are well multicore optimized, so i bet, input lag reduction setup that we using, might change per game engines to! Well now to try to help with net code problem, what i saw in peer to peer games like Cube 2...where some people end to look like they cheat, so they see u before u can them...aka "i playing in past/they playing in future feel"! I can teal that when i had pure wifi net, i could click a bit sooner and player position was more correct, aka i had more chance vs others, who are obvious favored by net code system, but on contrary with better net, that is now vdsl, where i have far less jitter and all bad stuff with what wifi come, are gone, i still end with higher input lag, in click and on my surprise like i did got minus 50-100 ms reaction time penalty lol. So all in all, seems that blurbuster site forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=6498&start=100 have answer for me, in form of bad electric interface, tnx to new net. But for more specific situation, why only x player is always with uperhand, i really not know, beside that it could be, partial, cuz player position smoothing, that probably works different vs ping/delay values, so u can do magic, like make, fake position of enemy, for self, sooner, on ur end of network, tnx to having something that server favores.(be it distance or simple firewall filtering on host side or just electronic stuff, that i can't comprehend well) So ye, tnx again, for this video! Have good gaming to!
The idea is you fully disable the Net and Sound in bios and just run the USB equivalent of Sound and Net cards. Could be wifi and say a creative sound blaster DAC, they produce the least input lag of all in my testing.
For Wifi adapters only the 8822BU and similar realtek from EDUP have been known for me to work (I AM NOT SPONSORED BY ANYONE)
VIA USB 3 feels pretty nice, been using them as secondary adapters, and they have good driver compatibility. VLI is the same company.
NEC I haven't tested, and neither have I the other brands, but I believe the ones that are rated with a strong 95%+ ratio would be alright
i have 1 question ? is input lag the delay between moving ur mouse to the screen?
or is input lag something else?
@@che3Ak Input lag is the time between when you make an input (move mouse, press spacebar or click etc.) and when the action is executed in the game.
could please explain the part of the usb card's? i dont understand how that could lower input delay, if possible, would u mind explaining how that work in a simple manner?
They're more accurate for your mouse input than the on board ones which are across the board generally desynced and unable to maintain 1000Hz on both the mouse and the keyboard under load with anything else that's plugged into USB, which often includes a wifi adapter as well.
Really bad old examples can't even run a 1000Hz mouse on a game like valorant without input buffering due to varying refresh rates and low controller performance. I have an AM3 motherboard with horrendous on die and on board USB performance, that absolutely does not care when I use offboard USB instead.
So Renesas 0.96 driver controllers, old on die open source USB controllers, even the new 13th gen and AMD controllers all suck for consistency. The best ones that I can recommend are only between 3rd gen and 4th gen intel motherboards of the Z77-Z97 implementations. That's probably when the on die USB was the best at it's job, more consistent likely due to the fabrication size being less susceptible to EMI?
Yes some have 'better latency' but they don't maintain that throughout a game when say, the GPU requires more resources, or the game gets an intense fight over your wifi or ethernet.
I doubt the shielding on the on die USB controller is sufficient, AMD is horrid when it's overclocked at any rate past 3200MHz on the ram, too.
Ive got the razerblade 14 and it does not allow changes on the RAM on the BIOS, is there anything I can do besides buying new computer
I dont know man, I really tested it, every possible setting, but in the end its not smoother or better (it was already smooth before your tweak, I just wanted to test it), even with only using a vl805 pci-e card out of these tweaks, yes its more consistent for mouse input but in the same time it makes my monitor more sluggish even on the desktop and way harder to have control of the situation in csgo. Its like I dont have the extra time to aim in a fight, now people instant hs me. Msi z690 tomahawk, 12700k, 16gb 4000mhz cl14, gtx 1660ti, 390hz acer, kirby os.
I reinstall win10 kirbyos, just changed networks driver settings (RSS, Ports, CPU Core and some other), put my gpu and mouse on the same core, use nvidia .nip profile and thats it, Thats the smoothes experience I can get and I 've ever had like win7
You are right with the msi mode tho, but I've never used it anyways.
Maybe because win10 kirbyos is already very tweaked and these tweaks are no longer needed
Подскажите пожалуйста - в MSI UTILITY V3 надо оставлять галочку MSI на видеокарте и юсб портах? или нет?
I can't read russki :P
Sick this worked so good for me!!!
Hey man, what about MouseDataQueueSize and KeyboardDataQueueSize i`ve read that its makes lower input, do you now something about that?
Sounds pretty pointless unless it's a Windows 10 introduced thing
16 decimal for both is a safe value, it is proven and u can test it yourself. Melody has confirmed this.
will these tweaks matter if I have a laptop with i7 processor max hertz about 3.5hz and nvidia 1050 2 gb , hihi
I play valorant on 640*480 hz to get stable fps and get about 9-10 ms latency cpu + gpu
They should help on windows 10 and 11. Make sure you're OK with potentially soft bricking windows if you touch the wifi or drive msi modes. Or backup your data before attempting those!
GPU overclock not recommended for laptops
I bought a 7700x and ddr5 ram at 6000mhz. To reduce lag I should reduce the speed of the ram to match the one of the processor???!! That doesn´t sound right, right? English isn´t my mother tonge, what did I miss?
Also, could we use Nvidia reflex to have numbers on how much each thing helps reduce input lag? I mean, not necesarily you, as that would be an investment, I am asking if that would be possible to do in general, because when you have numbers then people start taking the issue more seriously as you can make rankings on both hardware and software.
Well here's the kicker, the 7700X can't operate ram past a certain speed without kicking down into Gear 3 - where as with intel we only need gear 2 or as little as gear one for smaller 2 dimm motherboards that specialise in memory OC. If you can do gear 2 or gear 3 with tighter memory timings and synced speeds, it's more ideal than just raw speed numbers - of course, moot past a certain point.
If speeds are out of sync I can only imagine how the mod arithmetic will apply for waiting on the cache, core, and memory clocks to get data synced up and pushed down the line.
I ordered a 480FPS 480p/720p? camera just for that, it's on the way and will take about a month. In the meantime I've been wrestling with ram timings to ensure consistent boot latency across whatever PC's I'm testing. It set me back around 600 AUD, so it's no small undertaking. I have a 1000FPS camera but it's like 100p, so practically useless rn.
Bioses love to start with trash responsiveness and iron out after the 2nd - 5th reboot.
@@compuguy123 Thank you for the reply, much apreciated. Glad you are already into it too.
@@DMEGC General rule of thumb is get as many things synced as possible, even the ram timings should be in a ratio of 1-2-2-4 to fix the desync that you see in the Val clips here
I thoght about MSI mode long time ago, I did try to disable some of the MSI and MSIX on some devices, but I was afraid to touch the important ones like SATA and NVme controllers.
If I have eCLARO sound card which is PCIE, it has only Line based, should I change it's priority or leave it undefiend? also if I have Mellanox 4 LX server network card, it has support for MSI-X should I keep it on high priority with MSIX enabled?
I'd run them all MSI mode with the sound card set to Normal prio on NVIDIA's sound cards, the other normal ones can be on Undefined or low
Pc instantly now crashes upon start up. I can’t even get an option to revert it before it crashes
boot it off an intel/amd system, whichever you don't run right now -- there are warnings I wrote about not setting linebased for certain things like ethernet, sata, and NVMEs especially for Ryzen.
You can delete all hidden devices under device manager to uninstall drivers for the motherboard it crashes instantly on. Safe mode may work if you disconnect ethernet - unless you set linebased on the NVME/SATA drivers
bro are you sure that msi mode enabled is not doing a direct connection to the cpu ? so i have to make it line based again ?
Usually Linebased is faster, although there are certain drivers that are natively written for either one. You should experiment with order and mode until it all clicks into place.
why dont you use msi mode?
Bro, i have litteraly the same feeling, like im 1 sec behind. I doesnt matter of the ping cause players with the same ping hit me like they have 10 ms
In your video, i saw my gameplay on dm. I would like to see ranks in dm.I want to play agressive but input lag force me to play passive and even using offangles doesnt help me a lot
@@den3198 It's not input lag its just scuffed peeker's advantage. As far as I can say maybe run your wifi adapter on the motherboard and your mouse on the offboard.
Could be that the ethernet or USB controllers overheat, since they are never heatsinked.
Make sure to at least set the priorities of the drives. If you run ryzen be sure to allow NVME drives to run on MSI mode if they cause freezing in linebased mode, since a lot of the motherboards won't allow it (or the CPU itself is badly traced -- which is sometimes the case).
@@compuguy123 I know what input lag is about really. I use word input lag cause a lot of people started use it to describe.It better be called like desync of system
@@den3198 Tell me your ram timings. You need to set your timings ratio to 12:24:24:48 or similar ratio; 1-2-2-4.
Second you need to set an external framerate cap and enable Ultra low latency on Nvidia control panel. DISABLE ALL IN GAME FRAME CAPS. Leave in game Reflex to ON or OFF; then test ON+BOOST when you get a feel of the new changes.
Third you need to set FAST VSYNC to on in NVidia control panel, this is optional but can help further improve framerate pacing.
Last try to set your ram speed under 3000MHz and place them in slots 2 and 3 instead of 2 and 4, it will force ram to train under adverse conditions and much more consistently low for input lag across all games.
excuse me mate, i made some of the changes onyour videos and my audio service stopped working, I managed to make ir work again (i was getting denied permision) but now it does not uotput audio, also, the search bar does not allow me to type in it,
Could you please help me? unfortunately i didnt have a restore point :(
Revert bios to defaults, sounds like memory corruption
@@compuguy123 ill try right now, thanks mate
@@compuguy123 btw to revert the bios i should acces the bios right?
@@compuguy123 i just did restore to default from the bios, it did not work
i already ddu audio driver too
you are legend !!! what about motherbords with build in WIFI?
ditch and use USB. Currently I am testing with other USB controllers, with the 7 port NEC USB controllers 720201, they seem to fix Valorant's extremely inconsistent netcode usually caused by improperly set and improperly scaling priorities and linebased/msi conflicts.
With my current setup I have an intel 12900kf with a B660M Mortar Max with ALL drivers EXCEPT for the offboard USB card on linebased, low prio on all devices except the USB explansion card -- and I will no longer get swung on or die instantly on every swing.
Valorant just happens to be extremely vulnerable to this type of thing to the point that it feels like enemies are cheating and 1 second faster than you -- CSGO doesn't care nearly as much.
@@compuguy123 is that okey if i can't buy exact 8822bu usb 3 ? I can how this - Maxesla AC1300 Mbps Wifi Dongle for PC,Ultra Speed USB Wifi Adapter,High Gain Dual Band 2.4&5GHz Internet Dongle USB Wifi Dongle for PC Desktop Laptop,Powerful PC Wifi Adapter for Windows 7,10,XP,Mac ???
@@tomsosis5818 If it works, it works already. It just has to be a functional wifi stick.
@@compuguy123 Bro, i was trying lot of staff in my life to fix input lag in csgo,but none of this guides really work (overclocking,downcloking,different pcs, different cables,ect)
Now in Norway its 6:16AM and i need to wait little so i can buy adapter :). Bro ur guides are on point and they work. LEGEND!
@@tomsosis5818 Please do share your hardware too - I'm going to cover all 3 brands of USB adapters so we can select the best one out of the three.
On intel it doesnt seem to make a difference save in valorant, where it fixes up the garbage netcode that happens due to device priorities.
I tried this on 2 fresh installs of windows and it worked really well (AMAZING FUCKING VIDEO BRO) but for some reason on the third time i got a reference by pointer BSOD and couldn't boot without safe mode.
I think i made a mistake in the msi util...?
You on AMD? Disable AMD PSP in Device manager
Ref by pointer sounds like either that or your ethernet/wifi or rarely your nvme/SATA
Tick those one by one till you find the culprit lol
with pcie express card my mouse floats between 500hz and 1000hz :c
Try MSI mode high instead then. Software mode is better for logitech G hub as well
Are you sure about the msi thing? Doesn't it reduce latency a little actually.
For my setups, it works across the board, except on certain AMD systems or NIC's that don't allow all Linebased mode.
Otherwise the B550 and B450 series of motherboard run far better with the right kind of power supply, PCIE 3, and linebased, that is, if it's possible without anything freezing or crashing.
In cases where it's not stable, all MSI or partial Linebased should be fine if not better than the usual default config.
@@compuguy123 i see, what about b560 gigabyte? If you have an idea about it
I managed to run my usb 3.2 extensible on line based mode and i think it does feel better.
Have you tried any input lag tests or do you go by feel?
Also this is a good guide, not tweaking random bs and what not. Gj dude
@@anxsaeri7780 I trust my intuition enough to go by feel. Numbers may not lie for one setup but the next one is affected by a hundred factors.
PC's are like solving an equation with 100 variables with no initial values unless you know already what works well with what - which will take years of experience.
I'll be happy to do highspeed tests when I have the time between orders for gaming machines on my store :)
One piece of advice I will swear by is to get a strong power supply with very low ripple from Thermaltake (AVOID THE GFA3, get the GF3), or from Gamdias. Cougar is OK in a pinch. Corsair is generally garbage unless you get their highest end PSU. Asus is the same, MSI is good for the mid range.
Look for Channel Well Tech and Andyson as OEMs, they're the best.
@@anxsaeri7780 Also, I trust it is better to avoid 3.2 because of the poor input latency it carries by default. Use just normal USB 3 or USB 2, whichever is faster, or use a VL805 for comparison (cost of 10$ shipped to door)
Any way to detect and fix usb high tempeture?
If you're talking the on die USB controller or the USB controllers that are at the back of the motherboard, the only way is if you have say an asmedia or NEC or VLI chip, then feel it with your fingers.
Not much of an issue tbh, but far more of an issue with integrated USB controllers.
Can you tell me if this is the way i should do prios with Line-Based?
My current MSI util settings:
HD Audio Controller (Undefined)
Nvidia RTX 3080 (High)
Standard NVM Express Controller (Low) (MSI mode ON)
Standard NVM Express Controller (Low) (MSI mode ON)
Intel Ethernet Controller I225-V (Low) (MSI mode ON)
HD Audio Controller (Undefined)
Intel USB 3.20 eXtensible Host Controller (High)
Standard SATA AHCI-controller (Low)
That's all i got in the MSI mode util, PCI-to-PCI bridge is gone from MSI util after an update of the BIOS or the Chipset.
Thanks in advance!
always use nvme on msi mode it makes the game load faster
@@DreaMyeditzzz Yeah, it messes up Windows too if i don't and same goes for the Ethernet Controller, i lose connection to the internet if i disable MSI mode on that one
@@Lundstrm Turn off msi only for usb and GPU. I aim much better with it off. HDD , SSD and network should always be on msi or msi x.
Hlw to do that@@DreaMyeditzzz
@@TheRandomPeoples turn on msi mode only for SSD and hdd. you can also turn it on for network card. But don't use on GPU. It makes aim worse I have benchmarked it fps is literally the same.
PLS HELP ME I FOLLOWED UR STEPS AND MY WHOKE LAPTOP CRASHED COMPLETELY
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@@awaabahsanmian4097 ... you don't want to touch any wifi adapters on laptops - you'll have to either run in safe mode and recheck them to MSI, or reinstall if it still crashes on boot. It's either this, AMD PSP, or some other forbidden drive/NVME that has been set wrong. I'd covered this in the description
If you have a way to boot the drive off another computer, you can uninstall your hidden drivers on device manager to try again
i225v bsods with linebased :/
I think I already said that in the warning XD
how do i set my ram to match with cpu, have ryzen 5600
You need to set infinity fabric 1:2 and also run ram fast enough to match the CPU clock speed -- only a few kits of team Xtreme 5066MHz+ and Micron Ballistix 3600MHz+ on the right motherboards from Gigabyte or MSI, B550 and above, can achieve it.
Ram overclocking is extremely difficult so just get a kit that far overshoots it and manually dial in the timings.
@@compuguy123 tx much m8 :)
@@compuguy123 interesting, always though on Ryzen fclk 1:1 was the go to? I can do DDR4-5400 stable with 5700G in 1:2 actually ran it the passed 2 days, but now using 4933C17 in 1:1 because GDM off disabled is possible with lower subtimings. So if i set a static clockspeed on the CPU like 4600, and set my RAM 4600 1:1 , will that actually give better performance or is has it to do with input lag?
@@UNDERGROUNDHITRADIO As long as the TRTL's are sane it should be OK. You need to reboot the PC sometimes 10 times in a row then change the training to off when the TRTL's are tight enough
Links to apps?
msi util v3 should be on techpowerup forums
Gsync on or off?
Off Always
Bro please link me your wallpaper
It's from sonny boy anime
@@compuguy123 thank you :)
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Check the video I made on the USB adapter I tested
Good frame or two difference between onboard v offboard with Ryzen
On intel the diff is not huge, but it will help the netcode for games like valorant if you have issues, plugging the wifi adapter into the offboard card seems to alleviate it
whats ur discord?
is private :)
Also if you have a PCIE 4 motherboard make sure you use PCIE 3 mode instead as the shielding for PCIE 4 is far inadequate when you're running USB devices under the PCIE lanes of the GPU and NVME bays, which may or may not be running or set to PCIE 4 in the bios regardless of whether there is a PCIE 4 device even plugged in.
This massively improves precision of your mouse [and may allow some otherwise non compliant motherboards from B550 to *maybe* run linebased all. BACKUP if you want to test that part though.]
AMD shielding on PCIE 4 is garbage. Intel shielding on PCIE 4 is also garbage (but somewhat usable even if it has ECC popping off every second). Disable and you can get higher memory/core/GPU overclocks regardless. Tech is getting too fast for the flimsy PCB traces and copper masking running throughout the 4-12 layer PCB's that the new motherboards are rocking -- it's just simply not enough distance between each trace to allow such - nor the thickness of the copper ground planes.
Can u elaborate on this, i’ve got a ryzen 7800x3d, b650 aorus elite ax
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wtf is that valorant smoothness xdd literally suck
I just tested MSI mode off for everything except Ethernet controller and Wi-Fi (because they won't work without it enabled).
After the restart I immediately noticed that my mouse feels lighter. Tested on/off couple of times, it's not a placebo.
I find this very interesting because everyone recommends MSI mode on, especially for the GPU.
But why does this work? Isn't MSI mode supposed to reduce input lag, not increase it?
its the implementation of it, u have to test it actually. msi mode can be better for some, while linebased is better for some
@@meme-zf7ew Is there any way to make Ethernet and Wi-Fi work in LineBased mode without buying new third-party adapters?
I'm on ASUS B550-i, and while MSI Utility shows that both Wi-fi and Ethernet support LineBased, I get a bluescreen when I uncheck MSI mode on them and restart.
@@ИванИ-м3ж no it will bsod, dont mess with nvmes, satas and nics
@@ИванИ-м3жyou set all priorities to undefined? Or custom
Better Fix for both of yous, stay tuned tomorrow. I found a goldilocks setting zone that will fix most PC's completely.
could u show us benchmarks for linebased vs msi mode?
When I can get around to it. For now, it's self evident.
I have some videos on the pipeline that are already late, namely;
How to liquid metal your laptop
How to repad and repaste your GPU
1)Win32priorityseparation 28 or 2A for lowest input delay and hitreg
2)Will Setting interrupt priority to low make the input delay even higher?
3)Turning off game mode and hags gives lower input delay and better hitreg
2. No, since we're setting that for useless things like sound (disregard the network part if it messes with hitreg)
3. I can't reproduce that. In all my tests game mode has immediate and palpable benefit. Resize bar and HAGs seem to help as well.
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do i change the priority of the sata and nvm express controllers on msi mode? (cant use linebased for them)
how would i know which priority to put for the network adapter?
doesnt devices with the same irq increase interrupt latency?
Priorities to low if you have backed up the data and or have access and knowledge of how to use a second computer to recover in case you brick it with a bsod
Usually I set everything except my mouse and keyboard USB card to low
@@compuguy123 I have currently set both to undefined right now when it was high on default, does it mean that i can set it to low priority safely?
and doesnt multiple devices with the same irq increase interrupt latency?
Apparently disabling MSI mode on my Realtek ethernet adapter makes my internet not work. L fucking mao
Yeah, you should try all MSI mode instead, with HIGH prior on the GPU, Main sound card, USB, and PCIE/PCI lanes and hubs also. You can set the NVME/SSD/HDD prio to low if it works, along with any other extras (apart from AMD PSP, disable it)
@@compuguy123 Should PCI-to-PCI Bridge be on high prio and MSI mode off?
Thanks for the the great video btw!
Honestly I’ve been messing with settings as long as I can remember… No matter low ping, high fps, enemies always kill me first, it feels delayed in every game I play. I’ve tried messing with CPPC, SMT, etc etc without any luck for me. This has happened to me since I switched from Intel to AMD cpu many years ago, same issue on 3800x, 5900x. Swapped out PSU, motherboard, ram, GPU, clean install. I wish i could find a fix 😂 But too little information on my motherboard on what to turn off in bios and what not. Idk if I’m missing something. No packet loss either, no choke. You can see blood splats from head, still nothing. It happens way too often whilst rest is gods 😂
electricity problem, ur only solution is to move out
Do you have any buffer bloat ?
thanks!!
Geat video brother,i have weird issue in which when i turn on xmp motherboard to overclock ram there is a huge input lag but when i turn it off it works normal can u help me?
Reseat ram then try again. Also raise your load line calibration or set them (provided your cooling is good aka 120MM cooler or AIO) to the higher levels where possible.
Some XMP timings are garbage though, so don't use it if even that doesn't fix it. If you built the PC yourself hold the CPU in the socket and flip the lever up and down 50 times for intel and 5 times for AMD.
@@compuguy123 thanks for reply,I have r 7 5700x and 3060ti so fps is not a problem for me.can I keep my ram to default and xmp off is that a issue?bcoz csgo works way better this way no placebo
@@dharmeshkase6003 Yes XMP off is not an issue. If there is anything wrong with net desync then you certainly can try forcing the timings to 1-2-2-4 ratio for CAS through TRAS along those lines using CAS latency as the multiplying number
@@compuguy123 thank you man,I really appreciate
Disabling shader cache reduces input delay? I thought If I disable shader cache i would get stutter
You thought, but did you try it? Taking out the shader cache from the SSD means no waiting or polling the SSD's PCIE lane for data that will require time and CPU bandwidth to process.
Rendering in real time for most cases here will be better, unless you're on a GT 710 that seriously cannot render shaders. Yes, the FPS will be less generally, but shots will be easier to aim from experience.
@@compuguy123 hello, I just have a 710 video card and I only play valorant, do you think I should turn off this caching?
@@rootya. You'll probably get 10fps but you certainly can try
changing my ram to corsair lpx rams made my game way much better bt i think it could be more better. Should i go for the g skill trident z neo rams do you think it will fix my issue ?
Greeting's Son Of Adam , Some How Input Lag Improved After Disabling Sysmain I Believe .. Also Does Enabling BIOS RFI spread spectrum , PCIE spread spectrum Can Fix The EMI Problem ? Some Individuals Suggesting That The Only Fix Is To Simply Change Home's/Apartment Regarding The Problem To Bad Wiring's Which I Don't See As An Actual Solution .
The only quick solution to that is to buy a 1$ USB white LED from aliexpress, the round one, and Faraday cage your room with aluminium Venetian blinds and wallpaper. (Bring router into room)
Try the ratios of 20-20-20-54/10-10-10-27
Spread spec off can help potentially
PCIE Sync also helps
can u elaborate on the cpu and ram core speeds being 1:1? my memory is running at 6000mhz but cpu on 4.2ghz
Hi thanks for the video i like it, and i am subscriber now,merry christmas,i have done everything u show in the video but i have these question,should i turn off msi mode on rx 580 (amd),and also i have realtek RTL8111H should msi mode be on or off and high priority or low ?
Your the best youtuber i have found when it comes to tweaking and optimising pc. Thank you for your work. Im on crusade agains input lag on my pc since i remember. Currently im on gtx 1070ti and i5 8600k and ram im using is 3000mhz xmp corsair vengeance. The games feel like theres invisible force pulling my mouse any time i move it. Im unable to do any sharp turns in cs and mouse movement feels like its unusually smooth idk how to explain it. I have a feeling that everybody is faster than me in cs and im getting ferrari peeked constantly. Its not like im a bad player. In fps games im topping scoreboards everywhere i go. I had global elite without any nades knowing any strats but just purely because of my aim which i was known for by my friends. Suddenly everything changed when i upgraded to this pc even though its much better than i had before
Which setup did you have before?
I think the only good motherboards for 6-9th gn came from MSI and gigabyte at times.
Asus had some really bad ones for USB signal latency and otherwise.
Probably worth investing in a VL805 USB card and just running mouse and keyboard to that via line mode :)
You need to pretty much bypass the CPU -- another important thing is to turn off Intel SGX in the bios and set the FCLK at boot to 1GHz or the input lag is insane
@@compuguy123 this setup was so bad that its not even worth mentioning tbh old quad core amd cpu and radeon gpu but i dont remember the exact model. Thank you for the reply i really appreciate it. You are the first ytber who actually gave me any feedback and i thank you for it sir. Im still a student so i could not afford to play with my pc specs but it might be the motherboard because it is asrock z370 pro 4 which i think is not the best by any means. I tried huge amount of possible fixes within windows and maybe few of them did something at least but the problem still remains as i said. Its like moving a piece of butter instead of a mouse ( razer deathadder chroma v2 ).
@@DzOoneY HPET off and the tweaks I listed. Make sure load line calibrations are set to 1, the pro 4 is garbanzo for anything above 4 cores.
Legit the RX 580 Asus Dual 8gb is better than some RX and RTX cards that release today for effective memory latency.
Raise the voltages and keep the chip cool/ditch the board and CPU for a cheap i3 13100 and chinesium B760M from jginyue.
You would need decent cooling too - stock coolers might not cut it. Voltage of the CPU would be better off above 1.25v vload through CPU-z's readout, to ensure cache gets enough juice
@@compuguy123 i did things you suggested and things are just a little little better but the problem persists. Hpet is a strange one for me cuz if i turn it off via bios it causes the mouse to feel different but the game is even more delayed than with it on. Hpet on in bios and disabled in system seems to be the best choice in my case when it comes to game feeling. I guess all i can do is wait till i can afford an upgrade
Thanks man🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 now I am able to push rank easily
should i plug mouse and keyboard into usb card? or all my devices im using usb mouse keyboard audio and mic so 4 ports
VL805 with a firmware update can support up to those if you buy the 2 port and the USB 3 internal header on the back
@@compuguy123 okay figured it out, can i go more than 4 ports?
@@111lead Try the FL1100 or NEC ones if you can't put more than 1 PCIE card in your PC.
Most should be able to fit 2.
@@compuguy123 i have a b550 with a 5800x3d an nvme and a 3080 if i add one card it will force 8x idk bout two if that will change gotta check my manual. so ur saying i can run more than one card and still have less input lag ?
@@111lead Pretty sure it won't force x8, The 3080 and the chipset should be separate... right?
Can you tell me msi modes and interrupt priority for these:
PCI Express Root Port
AMD PSP 11.0 Device
High Definition Audio Controller
AMD USB 3.10 eXtensible Host Controller - 1.10 (Microsoft)
Standard SATA AHCI Controller
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080
Realtek Gaming 2.5GbE Family Controller
Standard NVM Express Controller
Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz
Thanks for the help!
LINE/MSI Low
Disable in Device manager after check box remove driver uninstall AMD PSP
MSI Normal/High
MSI High
MSI Normal/High
MSI Normal (For GPU - the Audio Controller right above it if there is, Set to Low)
MSI High (Or Normal if it works better after everything else is set)
MSI High
MSI High (Or Normal after Ethernet is set, if it works any better (usually high is best for this one))
I've been messing with MSI Util for the past 3 days trying every single setup possible and here are the only 3 results I get:
1. mouse feels great but hitreg and server desync are unplayable
2. hitreg feels great but mouse is floaty as fuck
3. hitreg feels great, mouse feels great but my game is a stuttering mess
It also seems that my hitreg is heavily dependant on the time of day where I'll get the best experience at 23:00 or later at night, on the same exact servers with the same player count.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Good stuff. I got better settings now. Upload coming tomorrow.
Do you know anything about eletricity input lag? EMI/RFI, Harmonics?
I read in somewhere a method to reduce the interference using a iron cloth on the same filter that pc and router is connected. The guy says that reduces the microstutter and jitter image in 60-70%.
Please enligthen with this subject
Sure, give it a shot.
Ram placement and timings need to take prio over that though. This is going to be some miniscule scale tweak in comparison.
EMI in a decent power supply and or a UPS is already enough. If you're scared of further EMI you can always use a 8822BU wifi stick or similar instead.
Iron cloth on the router or the power board?
More quackery.
Does connecting my controller to USB 3.0 port instead of USB2.0 help with input delay?
Usually it would be worse for input delay but better for hitreg and sprays.
You need to have a shielded cable. Or wrap your cable with aluminium foil then run a PE cable sleeve coil around it.
Why should I disable sysmain if it's saying that it is improving performance?
Windows 11 says it's fast, is it actually fast? Sysmain uses your drive with your CPU to make it access the drive faster. You're playing a game with barely any drive accesses; CSGO, League, Valorant, Fortnite, most things are stored in VRAM.
Having windows sorting junk in the SSD in the background while playing a game will make it run slower. An HDD will cause the game to stutter if you had sysmain on.
Windows 7, despite rumours, did not bother to have Sysmain in the background churning up drive endurance.
Hi winkli, audio must be low prio but when its usb audio should it be plugged on pcie adapter wich is high or should be on usb of motherboard with usb low prio (usb audio)?
When my mouse its plugged on pcie adapter I have some jitter on mousetester, but when its on another usb I have a good freq vs interval. So I'm setting right now all low prio but 1 usb for mouse high and via usb 3.0 high. 1 usb still low because its for the audio.
I'm updating this fix tomorrow with ideal settings
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Yo, I informed myself a bit about Msi mode. Most of the „guides“ tell you to enable msi mode. Why is that?
Because they tell you to - if it doesn't work, which is quite common, then do the opposite
@@compuguy123 ok bro, will do thank you. so how about shader cache... if i turn it of on cs2 i get massive stutters. i feel in tarkov shader cache off is so pristine. what do you think about it?
whats better to use Mb usb ports or case?
Depends on the brand/make of the motherboard. Usually Intel has fine frontal ports for USB 3 usage, AMD better on the back, and Intel regardless works fine on the back too.
Just avoid the USB 3.2's from both manufacturers, or whatever port that is above the USB C port.
Otherwise, experiment, since no generation and motherboards are always the same. Some run through chipset and the others ondie, sometimes they have everything pass through a offboard ASMEDIA or VLI chip, so it's really hit or miss depending.
For me, I find offboard USB's a lot better shielded and more consistent. I recommend the FL1100 and the VL805, whichever is more affordable with what you use.
What about NIC settings?
low up to high depends on what feels best.
I also have to add you should backup the drive then lower the DRAM VTT voltage from half of the memory down to about 38% of the memory voltage to make it usable.
@@compuguy123 now my pc is freezing every 3 minutes, did I just broke my mobo or my ram?
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You say that Ryzen is worse in input lag? I was planning to upgrade to 7950x3d with 7900xtx nitro ...why you say it's worse on Input Lag?
This is largely older information based on general ryzen 5000 series design. The newer ones have ironed out the million USB controller issues and dropouts quite some, obviously you still have the imploding SOC on the 7000 series ryzens, so I still recommend the 5000X3D or something that isn't as high as the max X3d of the 7k series.
Of course, Intel 13th gen will be far more reliable.
Most newer fabs of AMD and Intel are more suscept to input lag for reasons that are likely related to the fab nodes being small enough to introduce crosstalk if the supply rail AC hot/neutral is not properly filtered, or if the ground is filtered through the same choke.
Also, the XTX does not allow you to have stable high FPS in some games where NVIDIA still reigns as supreme.
@@compuguy123 Thank you so much for the information. Can I upgrade to 13900K and 4070Ti instead? ... The max. I can spend on a Nvidia GPU is 4070Ti alike ... I can say that my system now is I7-8700 and 1070Ti ... so will be a BIG upgrade I can say...but I want the best combo to avoid Input Lag...of course with all the necessary tweaks...
@@DaNcETheOne historically the 70ti cards are some of the best for input lag reduction, above and below they don't come very close.
Galax for the GPU, CPU honestly any good MSI b550 Unify with 5800X3D or 13th gen even the i5 13600k can do well here
@@compuguy123display scaling or gpu scaling (I've XL2540K and gpu GTX 1650 Super)
@@DreaMyeditzzz whatever results in better aim
bro "1700 for fortnite is fine " I was like what hell nah... and tried it out ... Pc instanly crashes tried it 3 times
On my Galax 3070ti -- do not attempt on anything other than a 3070ti 1 Click lol.
I also had aftermarket thermal pads on the memory, memory controller, and even new pads for the backplate
@@compuguy123 what schould i apply or try with a 3060 ti?
@@che3Ak 500 is a good start so long as the memory VRM's have cooling lol
Some can do up to 1200 but I'd stay below 1000 long term, 500 for an extra factor of safety.
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What about Heist/ Speedshift / energySafer in Bios ?
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Winkly you wanna travel by air, sea or land?
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