The Thing - Should You Back It?

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024

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  • @brett232
    @brett232 3 роки тому +12

    I had instantly backed this due to the love of the movie, but then slowly backed out, in fact I’ve backed out of most of my KS’s atm, I’m getting a fast intake of games due to all the delays and I’m thinking wow do I need more right now?? Love your work Alex you help keep my bank balance and shelf’s in check

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks! And ya, I'm super interested in the game...but price point is high, I'll wait.

    • @michaelb8111
      @michaelb8111 3 роки тому +2

      I am also backing off of KS a lot this year because of the covid delays, and the flood of games that are starting to deliver.

    • @copelandwoodruff9810
      @copelandwoodruff9810 3 роки тому

      I'm so glad to hear this, guys! I feel the same way. Even looking into trying to sell my pledge on secondary market for a few KS games.
      WGT? is such a solid game with amazing production quality and components and my game group loves it. Gonna stick with that.

    • @jonathana6298
      @jonathana6298 3 роки тому +2

      Same. I backed it on Day 1, but cancelled my pledge by the end of the day. I really wish there was player elimination and the tension of tighter and tighter rounds increased as the game went on.
      Edit: I already have (and love) Secret Hitler and Battlestar Galactica.

    • @copelandwoodruff9810
      @copelandwoodruff9810 3 роки тому

      @@jonathana6298 Maybe try out Who Goes There? I love BG and WGT? is a beautiful game and tons of fun...filled with unbearable paranoia by the last act!

  • @deemuffi3177
    @deemuffi3177 3 роки тому +2

    Glad you persisted with recording this video! It’s analysis like this that makes your channel such a valuable resource.

  • @pierre-luco9056
    @pierre-luco9056 3 роки тому +2

    You are quickly beginning to be my main source of impartial and well done critique about boardgames. Keep up the good work!

  • @TreepwoodGuybrush
    @TreepwoodGuybrush 3 роки тому +3

    Talking about hidden identity you should have mention that one time that you won, with a hidden identity, against Eric Lang on his own game..

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      Lol that was a ton of fun :)

  • @Webhead123
    @Webhead123 3 роки тому +1

    The game is a little pricier than I would like but I've backed it for a few reasons:
    1) Big fan of the film
    2) I passed on both Outpost 31 and Who Goes There, as neither delivered the kind of experience I was looking for
    3) None in my group are as big a fan as I, so if I don't buy it, I'll probably never get a chance to play it
    4) The rules document has been released and I do see some promise to them
    5) I only back a game on Kickstarter about once every 3 years (and this is year 3)
    6) If all else fails, the minis and extra bits will work as great upgrades to my copy of the excellent Print-n-Play card game!

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 3 роки тому

      I'm in for now because
      1. This looks awesome
      2. The movie is one of my top 10 favorites
      3. Who Goes There has a look and vibe that I feel completely fails to do justice to the theme
      4. FOMO because I know as soon as I dont have it I'll wish I did.
      ...well see.

  • @feelfreetoviewme
    @feelfreetoviewme 3 роки тому +1

    I like that you talking about the numbers.

  • @smilingbadger6209
    @smilingbadger6209 2 роки тому +1

    If you don't want it, I will take it.

  • @roodkaak771
    @roodkaak771 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you Alex, you really help me see the trees through the forest.

  • @odsonic
    @odsonic 3 роки тому +1

    I have the other thing game..il still look at this

  • @dougcerulli8826
    @dougcerulli8826 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for taking the time to do this .... I know it's been a very busy KS month. Love the theme, but think I can wait for retail on this.

  • @nipzie
    @nipzie 3 роки тому +1

    Ironically it was The Thing: Infection at Outpost 31 that introduced me to modern board games. I just grabbed a late pledge on Who Goes There 2nd edition because it's a bit of a smaller player base so I can't see myself getting a 3rd version of the same game, though I see this is listed as 1 to 8 players which is nice. If I didn't have Who Goes There on the way I'd have grabbed this one as a low player count version FOR SURE.

    • @nipzie
      @nipzie 3 роки тому

      I should add that I don't see a lot of difference between this and Outpost 31. Key differences seem to be allowing a discovered alien to go off on it's own. We had a game where the infected showed herself the first mission by getting caught in a lie and we spent the rest of the game using our discovered rope to bind her as we went on missions lol. She was pissed so that's probably a good add. Other than that it has the fuel feature, but it's very similar. People donate supplies for missions and go through the base.

  • @H0TTFUDGE
    @H0TTFUDGE 2 роки тому

    Glad I didn’t miss out on this one 👍

  • @WeAreSoPredictable
    @WeAreSoPredictable 3 роки тому +6

    I'm really glad I feel 'meh' about this game, as I'm a big-time fanboy of the movie, and hidden traitor mechanics. Right now I feel like I dodged a bullet by having little interest in this. A couple of years from now, I may be weeping with regret. Ahh, the perils of Kickstarter. :)

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      Lol yes, that's basically KS in a nutshell. Fomo & regret either way.

  • @wsiegel9539
    @wsiegel9539 3 роки тому +3

    Nice take, I felt the same way about backing this. I just hope someone I know gets this so i get a chance to play it. Loved the movie and was one of my all time favorites in the genre, very interested in playing this, but not enough to back it at this price point.

  • @kmloke4507
    @kmloke4507 3 роки тому +1

    Hi, you said this game is too expensive €79 and thus not backing it. However, The 7th Citadel is €69 (just €10 difference) and why are you backing that?

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Because it's not a question of price but rather what you get for that price.

  • @danieljarnea9840
    @danieljarnea9840 3 роки тому +2

    This looks like Dead of Winter combined with Nemesis. I hope its gonna be good.

  • @fioredeiliberi9552
    @fioredeiliberi9552 3 роки тому +1

    I respect your opinion but this time I do not agree with you. Basically two reasons:
    1. basing the evaluation on the SGs announced at the beginning of a campain is a big „cradftman‘s“ mistake. Everybody knows that during the campain new SGs are beeing released, as in this case;
    2. my personal experience is that I never made it to buy boardgames I missed in a campaign at a better price at the local reseller ... and I say never... Maybe you can get in 10 years a semi-used copy at the price you suggested.
    Due to the above consideration, considering also that this games has quite interesting gaming mechanism, I went all-in and I will be very happy to play it with my buddies.
    Besides that, I am obviously a big fan of Carpenter and this film.
    My 2 cent

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      All good, I'm happy to have people disagree with me :)
      I know SG's are released as things continue, I still doubt this will do that well over time.

  • @r.l.jeffries1091
    @r.l.jeffries1091 2 роки тому +1

    I'm seeing Outpost 31 reprint is up for preorder, Who Goes There? 2nd ed. is about to ship, and The Thing: the Boardgame is also up for preorder. Have you tried all of them? Any chance of a comparison vid? I like the theme but can only justify buying 1 of the 3 games.
    And yeah, you called it Alex, this game is now selling for ~$42 preorder. Even adding the miniatures (~$21) it comes out to ~$63.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  2 роки тому

      Sadly I haven't really played any of them

  • @adamV1P
    @adamV1P 3 роки тому

    Alex. We need a video of what your current KS backer queue is?
    Ive only been doing the KS scene for less than a year now with my oldest open back being Gladius on Mar 26 and have since then amassed a total of 7 open and paid for campaigns at over $1k in money spent. I havent factored 7th Cit yet as that will probably crest over 100 by the time its done.
    I imagine your queue must be pretty crazy

  • @BobbyJuno
    @BobbyJuno 2 роки тому +1

    @8:46 you nailed it man! I'm looking at a preorder right now for just over $40

  • @wbeytel
    @wbeytel 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks for doing this Alex! I already backed "Who goes there?" so I am going to give it a miss. Don't get me wrong, I am tempted but not tempted enough.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      Lol, same here on tempted but not enough.

  • @flightmasteronezeroone907
    @flightmasteronezeroone907 3 роки тому +1

    My group played on TTS to try it out. Love the movie, theme is great, but we couldnt figure out when the social deduction was supposed to take place.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      Ouch, that's not great.

    • @flightmasteronezeroone907
      @flightmasteronezeroone907 3 роки тому

      BoardGameCo to elaborate a bit, you cannot accuse someone in the ‘green’ part of the suspicion track. You dont look at the contagion tokens of a character in the green either. And no one goes up until the dogs get released. We didnt pull the kennel card to release the dogs the whole game, so everyone was in the green the whole game so no one could figure out by test who the alien was. The leader also draws cards and tells you who plays each card. While the collection is secret the alien in green had no incentive to sabotage anything b/c he wins by staying human and leaving on the helicopter, which he did.
      When the hell were we supposed to figure out who it was? We had no trigger for any problem solving.

  • @beneisen6982
    @beneisen6982 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks. That was quite helpful.

  • @davelang6782
    @davelang6782 3 роки тому +1

    This is so important - $110 for Kickstarter, $40 retail. Your money is also tied up until NEXT Christmas. I simply want to play a fun game. I will pass on these types of campaigns.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      I'm a sucker for some things...this one just isn't enough :)

  • @nighthunterz00z45
    @nighthunterz00z45 3 роки тому +2

    I liked the movie and the old video game a lot. I can see it being a good board game too! I hope it does well.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      I think it will be good...just not sure about the price.

  • @npckse8508
    @npckse8508 3 роки тому

    I backed this because I both A) like the publisher and want to back their products and B) Want to make sure that they unlock the fullest game possible. The problem with the value proposition here, is that if backers don't keep backing and keep the money coming in, it will affect the overall final game. This is not the case where they have everything unlocked and I can just wait out for retail. Then also, my groups that I game in love these types of games and having some variety with BSG, Warehouse 13 and this will be great. This campaign has been enormously responsive to and interactive with the community and has made numerous changes based on feedback. For me an easy back, but yes, I have no doubt you will be able to reap the rewards at retail down the road. Given the previous game The Thing: Infection at Outpost 31 was only in print for a short while before losing the license and that game is now work some money means that this may not stay on shelves forever either.

    • @qfrost1
      @qfrost1 3 роки тому +1

      Make sure you get Who Goes There? 2nd Edition - I have the deluxe KS, and am aboard for 2.0 - GREAT GAME

    • @npckse8508
      @npckse8508 3 роки тому

      @@qfrost1 Oh I did, the new characters and the upgrade kit and new box!

  • @Richard-sy1ej
    @Richard-sy1ej 3 роки тому

    I had thought this could be a good back given the comparisons that were floating around to Battlestar Galactica, which seems to be widely regarded as amazing. But as you point out, this does seem to be somewhat expensive given what it contains. Not a problem, that just means more money saved for when a completely unmissable kickstarter comes around... or for upping my pledge for Massive Darkness 2 when the pledge manager opens.

  • @Indubitably14
    @Indubitably14 3 роки тому +1

    Deception: Murder in Hong Kong > every other entry-level hidden identity game.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      My personal favorite is One Night Ultimate :) But Deception is pretty awesome.

    • @arthursimsa9005
      @arthursimsa9005 2 роки тому

      How is Deception even comparable to « big board » games like BSG, Unfathomable, or The Thing? Ludicrous.

  • @Language42
    @Language42 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you for talking me out of this one. I'm already $300 deep in Kickstarters for this month...

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      So a cheap month :D

    • @Language42
      @Language42 3 роки тому +1

      @@BoardGameCo haha yeah in your video the other day when you were talking about tracking down the Kickstarter edition of a game you hadn't even played yet, and then said "I have a problem, it's very evident" I was like "wow, I feel that" 😂

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 3 роки тому +2

      I wish I was only $300 deep this month...

    • @malcolmdouglasmichaluk8263
      @malcolmdouglasmichaluk8263 3 роки тому

      What are you backing?

    • @Language42
      @Language42 3 роки тому

      @@malcolmdouglasmichaluk8263 Cascadia, 7th Citadel, In Too Deep, Machina Arcana, and Windward.

  • @nonesta13
    @nonesta13 3 роки тому

    A year ago I was looking for Thing An Infection at Outpost 31. I could only find copies for $275+. You will probably get all your money back and more for this one.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Because it's going to retail it's an entirely different discussion.

  • @alexpartenopei1021
    @alexpartenopei1021 3 роки тому +1

    Hi Alex, new subscriber after stumbling onto your channel a few days ago.
    Good stuff!
    Your comments about The Thing made me think of Dead of Winter with its secret objective/traitor mechanic.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Welcome aboard! And yes, dead of winter is another one.

  • @theboardmasters5800
    @theboardmasters5800 3 роки тому +1

    Really appreciate the basic genre advice as I' haven't played a game in this genre yet and don't know of I'll enjoy it.
    Thankfully, it isn't one that was appealing to me anyway but this video has doubled down on that.

  • @Magicman1625
    @Magicman1625 3 роки тому +1

    This game supports 1-8 players according to the Kickstarter so idk why everyone is complaining about not being able to get enough people when just themself is enough.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      1-3 is less likely do deliver the main experience that people want out of this game.

  • @TheOther644
    @TheOther644 3 роки тому +1

    If it was system as those Alien RPG I've seen here on UA-cam then yes I'm down for this.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Haven't played that one.

    • @TheOther644
      @TheOther644 3 роки тому

      @@BoardGameCo Yeah the Alien OutPost, District 11 etc I've seen are good and the system I think would work for The Thing.

  • @Messengus
    @Messengus 3 роки тому +1

    I would absolutely love to play a game based on The Thing. Well, a board game, I've played that video game and it was not too hot! Anyhow, the options are basically backing this, late pledging on Who Goes There? 2nd Edition or tracking down a copy of the super exclusive and expensive Mondo-game that isn't supposedly the best thing. Though the license is the strongest here, I actually wound up going in on a late pledge for WGT?2nd. It's a game of proven quality with a lot of information on it out in the world already, the price comes pretty darn close to this one, and it certifiably will hold the value. The most important thing there for me was that that is a game I can read reviews of. The lack of English reviews on this iteration of the game really drove me away from it since I can only find out HOW this plays rather than how well, into the arms of something that I know to be good. At the end my biggest regret will be that I don't get to play as Wilford Brimley in a board game and I can live with that.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Yeah, I'm most intrigued by who goes there two as well.

  • @brycefosdick3220
    @brycefosdick3220 3 роки тому +1

    Wanted it. But I'm waiting for Who Goes There? and I don't see as much a need to have both. Might pick it up someday if price is right, but I don't need this right now.

  • @SmokeRingHalo
    @SmokeRingHalo 3 роки тому +1

    Looks alright but I already have The Thing: Infection at Outpost 31 game and I'm not seeing much of a gameplay difference between the versions.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Not familiar with that one but I've heard good things.

    • @Ducky2317
      @Ducky2317 3 роки тому

      I have that game as well as I LOVE the movie. Outpost 31, to me, does a good job of portraying the atmosphere of the film better than this one and not a lot of extra things this game has. Both games are showing similar ways of doing things. Food and fuel were never an issue in the film so I don't know why you have to keep track of it now. One other thing I don't understand is why there have to be characters unlocked by stretch goals!! They should all be available right from the start , like in Outpost 31, and why are there separate tokes for the dogs? They were never running around in the film and were always locked in the dog pin. I will get this game when it goes on sale somewhere.

  • @ScytheNoire
    @ScytheNoire 3 роки тому +2

    I love The Thing, I love traitor games, but who knows what year it will be before we get enough people together who can play this.
    Plus, as it often comes down to, shipping is killing it.

  • @seangildersleeve1270
    @seangildersleeve1270 3 роки тому +1

    This was painful to watch but I'm not very good at reselling things. I have never done it, though I should. *cries in my hands*

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      You should :) This is just too expensive a game right now.

  • @-Roadrunner-
    @-Roadrunner- 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for these video´s, they help me make a educated discision in backing or not backing these projects.
    That being said, can you make one of Nexus: Boardgame? Pretty please? 🤗

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      I have it on my list but need to see where it's heading :)

  • @karatevideosandmore7685
    @karatevideosandmore7685 2 роки тому

    Alex.......Alex my friend time to step up to the plate and play ball, now that your doing this gig full time. We need a min. 6 if not a full 8 player play through of this bad guy. If you can do the Feed the Kraken to can do this.....com'on.....a deduction lover such as yourself......I know you ordered one 😉

  • @Sabury
    @Sabury 3 роки тому +1

    I think that BSG is already doing a good job in this category, and we haven't gone into the expansions yet.
    I'll pass on this one, and my wallet is quite gratefull. 😁
    Will Desolated be in next week roundup ? I'm sort of interested, but I find the €9 for pledge manager access too much, and it sort of give me a bad vibe about the project.
    Thanks 🙂

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      My issue with BSG is the playtime.

    • @Sabury
      @Sabury 3 роки тому

      It is a whole evening game.

  • @Twineandribbon
    @Twineandribbon 3 роки тому +1

    Sadly, this'll likely never be a pickup for me even though I like the movie. Like War games, social deduction games require too many players as a base minimum to reliably get to the table for me. I have to be extremely picky about what multiplayer games I keep as even my old favorites often go years between plays.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, I totally hear that. Games like one night, can we play so quickly that we usually get extra games in. But for a longer games, I would generally prefer El grande, rising sun, stuff like that.

  • @mrozzdude
    @mrozzdude 3 роки тому

    I backed this as I love action Hidden identity games, Like Dead of Winter, Shadows over camelot and BSG. This feels the same for me and my gaming group love these games even if they're bad, infact for some reason if they're bad they're better (I know right?) I showed this to them and explained the hidden identity role, was instant interest.

    • @mrozzdude
      @mrozzdude 3 роки тому

      I would like to see your opinion on Nexus: Boardgame, you've probably been asked a ton about this, but I respect your opinions and would be interested in your thoughts? (asking here as I don't know how to contact you otherwise)

  • @MarioAdNoman
    @MarioAdNoman 3 роки тому

    When you have "Who goes there" And "Outpost 34" which are way superior, this feels like a dumb-down version . I have tried this with my groups who play The Thing and we just can't find ourselves wanting to play this over the other 2 The Thing games

    • @dougcerulli8826
      @dougcerulli8826 3 роки тому

      Which do you like better... Who Goes There or Outpost 31?

  • @sethpeterson8261
    @sethpeterson8261 3 роки тому

    Good vid. Who Goes There may be based off the book, but I think it fails to sell the theme and the minis are a bit... meh. The Thing is based directly off the actual, iconic movie that everyone thinks of when you say The Thing. Just looking at the box and art makes me smile. I love the minis, the base looks great etc...
    WGT could cost 1/3rd as much,, but everytime I looked at it I'd just be bummed it wasn't the "real" The Thing. I'd also imagine The Thing won't do to bad at resell simply because it's the real deal in comparison.
    That said, I'm still not sure because while you can play 1-3 players, 4 seems to be the perfect amount and I've never managed to get 4 people all together at once for any game ever... plus the expansion only has standees so far. Having a core game with minis, but an expansion without would drive the completionist in me absolutely insane. I might not even be able to make myself play it. Ha!

  • @foodini666
    @foodini666 3 роки тому +1

    I am still going to keep an eye on this but for now not backing. The movie I think from the 80s/90s was great but I only really have my wife usually to play with so it kind of sounds like this isn't a great idea not even counting the price.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      For sure. Will they have player modes, I'm skeptical

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 3 роки тому

      It has 1, 2 and 3 player modes as well.

  • @Gwendor19
    @Gwendor19 3 роки тому

    I did not back this, because it is an 3 to 8 player game and my gaming group is generally not larger that 4 any one time (less now with Covid-19)

    • @dcmax211
      @dcmax211 3 роки тому

      There is 1 to 3 play mode

    • @npckse8508
      @npckse8508 3 роки тому +1

      Just to reiterate, they have modes for various player counts added to the game, so don't let that hold you back.

  • @abdulrahmanreijerink
    @abdulrahmanreijerink 3 роки тому +1

    This is one I'd like to play but not own.

  • @cath_paluc701
    @cath_paluc701 3 роки тому

    Duck Peas. Duck Pees? Ah, Duck pees on peas.
    Thanks for the review. I backed but was on the fence with The Thing. Now, I'll wait and if the reviews are good, I will pick it up retail. So, thanks for helping save my wallet that money, but darn you, now I'm looking at Watergate again.

  • @KZsZs
    @KZsZs 3 роки тому

    I also won't back this. Check out my resons why: boardgamegeek.com/thread/2512929/why-i-wont-back-thing

  • @wesleyvandenbroucke9670
    @wesleyvandenbroucke9670 3 роки тому +1

    Listen always the podcast at work. Like it a lot! But hey Alex what's your official name? 🤣

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +2

      Alexander Radcliffe the Sender the 3rd, from North Undershire .63

  • @brianmyers13
    @brianmyers13 3 роки тому

    I watched a play-through and it looks fun. Just not enough incentive to get it on KS. KS exclusives appear to be characters, yawn.

  • @Gwendor19
    @Gwendor19 3 роки тому +1

    You did it!😉

  • @svendhondt5352
    @svendhondt5352 3 роки тому +1

    Not interested and besides, haven't received their previous kickstarter yet. So, even if I was interested, I would wait to see what quality games they produce.

  • @porcu12345
    @porcu12345 3 роки тому +1

    Talking a bit too fast to follow along at times.

  • @jonathanw3199
    @jonathanw3199 3 роки тому +1

    An easy pass for me I love the movie but have a distaste for social deduction games.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому +1

      Lol, an easy pass indeed.

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 3 роки тому

      I've never tried a social deduction game. Normally I'd never be interested, but this may be the only theme I can think of that makes it sound cool

  • @nathanieldao1611
    @nathanieldao1611 3 роки тому +1

    Yep, easy pass on this game. This game doesn't provide friends which I lack of lol.

    • @BoardGameCo
      @BoardGameCo  3 роки тому

      Oh, just wait. Friends are a stretch goal.

    • @nathanieldao1611
      @nathanieldao1611 3 роки тому +1

      BoardGameCo The Thing doesn’t provide friends 🤣. It should include a warning saying “Do not play with your close friends, you might lose them.” 😂

    • @sethpeterson8261
      @sethpeterson8261 3 роки тому

      I hear you. Most I've ever managed to get together for a game is 3 people, I can't see 4 ever happening. Thankfully this does have 1, 2 and 3 player modes

  • @BbBb-zx6sx
    @BbBb-zx6sx 3 роки тому

    Not a Thing for me. ;-)
    Edit. And after watching game play. I backed it.

  • @scottarmstrong8178
    @scottarmstrong8178 3 роки тому +1

    Ugh, four attempts just for this game. Sorry for you.

  • @chrismiller4863
    @chrismiller4863 3 роки тому

    Sounds like I need to go watch the movie but this looks like a pass for me. Just in case I will watch the movie after KS ends so I save the $$$ 😝

  • @karaloca
    @karaloca 3 роки тому

    2 minutes in and you’ve said nothing. Let’s hope they make a better game than you make videos.