The shrine? You mean the Skull Altar? I can certainly try it out and see what happens... I have a funny feeling it would be shot to death before I make good use of it though. Slaanesh is up next!
Nice one! Hope you’re doing okay… Surprised to see Bloodmaster only make B-tier. Gonna have to disagree with you about flesh hounds - nothing in your list can be set up to score any of the following if you draw them turn 1: area denial, investigate signals, deploy homers, secure no mans land, extend, cleanse and possibly engage. They have the speed and the low cost to do any of these for you without serious investment. Also they clap with rendmaster’s buff…
Hey mate! Doing just fine now, taking some time to rest! I agree with you about the hounds, as someone else also mentioned. I was too harsh on them, I just feel like there are better scoring units out there. Though they cannot be buffed in the same way the hounds can that is for sure. The master is quite good as well! Maybe I should have put him higher...
Great review. I run mono khorne so I find a use for all of the units. -Like some folks have said I think the flesh hounds are great for those early tactical draws where you need to be somewhere and fast. -Karanak is okay for tactical scoring as well and cheap!!! -Bloodthirsters, you did them so dirty! I am just messing man. I run 2 BT's with Skarbrand and those things pretty much nuke whatever they touch and generally require a ton of firepower to take down. I would say they do a good job for me. I always go with the big high damage strike. The other one just never quite does what you want it too. -I still think blood letters are like 10 points more than they should be but yeah I have three units of them. I guess I am the fool! -I agree about the skull altar, ha! -What I like about demons is that they are fun to play and play against. My opponents are always trying to figure out how to interact with the army and they seem to be engaged in the game. Not just a glazed over face. On top of that nothing in the demons army is just completely unbeatable, even my BT's. I have seen small arms fire do some work. Can people still find the skull cannon/rendmaster kit? Been sold out for MONTHS. Good job, look forward to the rest! Can't wait for a codex with some new detachments too spice it up.
What a great comment! Thank you so much! At the end of the day where I place them in the list is all based on preference for the unit and what kind of games everyone plays 😁 I like thirsters! I have one with a big axe I've used for a decade! But sadly at the moment I feel like competitive players know how to just one shot him out of existence. This is why I prefer Skarbrand, because although he is a super scary unit, I use him more to buff my army than anything. If you can use him to hold units in melee, and +1 attack to letters, more often than not I just deep strike him 3" away from someone on a point and get the letters to kill something etc. in the next turn the enemy doesn't want to come close to you in fear of Skarbrand surviving, or he is behind a wall etc. and he will just run forward and crump someone! Happy wargaming! 😁
Recently ran a Nurgle/Khorne list into Necrons and boy did I bully them into submission. Similar to a list you run but I was able to get 3x3 units of crushers in and they were a problem with skarbrand. I totally agree that he is a big threat but movement is a challenge. Nurgle side dominated the mid board spreading shadow of chaos which helped with advance and charge plus battle shock shinanigans. Super effective. Cheers from Nova Scotia, Canada
What a great comment! Cheers! Wow how did you manage to fit in 3x3 crushers? That's 330 points! I assume you didn't take a lot of infantry like I do. Sounds like you had a fun time though for sure! Movement is 100% an issue, really need to think about where you're going to be ahead of time. Cheers from Syd. Aus! 😁
¡Hola, Jack! Yo estoy enamorado de la unidad de Bloodcrushers con el Skullmaster, pegan mucho y aguantan más de lo que parece. Gracias por estas tier list, me están orientando mucho, y siguen muy vigentes a pesar del cambio de chapter.
@@Barnyard-Wargaming ¡Son muy útiles tus videos! En español no hay jugadores competitivos de Demonios que hablen de ellos en UA-cam, así que me has ayudado mucho con este nuevo ejército
When you revisit this, if you ever revisit this, I'd love to know what you think of the non-aligned daemons in each of the alignments. I.e. "how good are daemon princes or soul grinders in a khorne army versus in a tzeentch army?" and so on.
I think the only use I really found is using the one on foot with Nurgle or tzeentch armies to castle all the units together and make them all stealth. But grouping together like that is such a bad idea, and makes you lose games so I'm not a fan of it. The one with wings I haven't tested as much but I'm not a big fan of them. That's just me though, thanks for the nice comment! 😁
Thanks for nice video. Agree, Skull Cannon is great, does a lot for it´s points. I love Bloodthirster as a model, to bad that he is not performing in 10th, do you think the codex can buff him up?
Well I guess it's all based on choice right. There is a very good daemon player in Sydney aside from myself who loves blood thirsters... But I just don't see it. So who knows they might work for you? But I think they're a little bit too expensive honestly.
@@Barnyard-Wargaming It feels like some of the Daemons still are too expensive. I like the flesh hounds, but only use them if I go all Khorne. If the Gore Hounds flamer was assault and they had a save of 3+ I think they would be more usable. The toughest part for me when playing all Khorne, is the charge face if I need to make 3-4 important charges, I can only re-roll one of them....
I think you have done a disservice to these faction videos. If you are only doing mono god tier list then you should only do how they interact within that mono god army. I think the flesh hounds in a mono Khorne list is a little better than what you rate them. The way you rated them is if you are using multiple god armies. You should do a multi god tier list if you are rating them against other god units. Just a thought
I agree! I haven't fully looked it up to make sure I'm correct. But I'm fairly certain that if a unit is within 3" then you have to consolidate to the enemy unit IF you consolidate at all. But if they're more than 3", and an objective is 6" away I think you can go to the objective! Spicy plays to hold midboard later on, denying points etc.
Hooray for greater demon buff. And skull Cannon went down and cost. You think with the bloodthirster going down in points and with the greater demon buff, he will be stepped up a peg on the list
1000% he will be! In fact I will be using him live in about an hour from now! Let's see just how strong they can be! We got some insane buffs but after playing a game yesterday I'm a little bit sceptical... 🤔
I still think you are really overselling the skullcannon. I also think you are underselling the flesh hounds given they are beasts they are fast they can combo with the rendmasters and can actually move through walls and take objectives unlike nurglings.
I agree on both counts. I reckon you could be right. Purely for the fact of separation I can't put everything in a/b tier. But I was probably a bit too harsh on the poor hounds.
Hmm i just been in a GT tournament with 5 big bloody guys and 1 chrusher unit + skulltaker in a group of bloodletters and won 3 out of 5 battles AND was 2 point from actually win 4 battles.. dident win the 4th because dident get secondary i could score in turn 5 ( so lost with 2 points )... Bloodthirsters i allways take with me because they are such a threat and my 5 wounds BT in battle against T-SONS against their t..t red deamon could almost kill him in 1 go... Only 2-3 Wounds left and i dident hit that good... Small units just got blown away if they look out of a ruin... So for me nxt. Time 6 big guys with 1 unit skullcannon will be fun. So i think BT are a little higher that what you rate it to be in my opinion. But GJ with your vids.
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Looking forward to seeing what you make of slaanesh. I'd also like to see a battle report with the shrine, I can't see it's worth
The shrine? You mean the Skull Altar? I can certainly try it out and see what happens... I have a funny feeling it would be shot to death before I make good use of it though. Slaanesh is up next!
Nice one! Hope you’re doing okay…
Surprised to see Bloodmaster only make B-tier. Gonna have to disagree with you about flesh hounds - nothing in your list can be set up to score any of the following if you draw them turn 1: area denial, investigate signals, deploy homers, secure no mans land, extend, cleanse and possibly engage. They have the speed and the low cost to do any of these for you without serious investment. Also they clap with rendmaster’s buff…
Hey mate! Doing just fine now, taking some time to rest! I agree with you about the hounds, as someone else also mentioned. I was too harsh on them, I just feel like there are better scoring units out there. Though they cannot be buffed in the same way the hounds can that is for sure. The master is quite good as well! Maybe I should have put him higher...
Great review. I run mono khorne so I find a use for all of the units.
-Like some folks have said I think the flesh hounds are great for those early tactical draws where you need to be somewhere and fast.
-Karanak is okay for tactical scoring as well and cheap!!!
-Bloodthirsters, you did them so dirty! I am just messing man. I run 2 BT's with Skarbrand and those things pretty much nuke whatever they touch and generally require a ton of firepower to take down. I would say they do a good job for me. I always go with the big high damage strike. The other one just never quite does what you want it too.
-I still think blood letters are like 10 points more than they should be but yeah I have three units of them. I guess I am the fool!
-I agree about the skull altar, ha!
-What I like about demons is that they are fun to play and play against. My opponents are always trying to figure out how to interact with the army and they seem to be engaged in the game. Not just a glazed over face. On top of that nothing in the demons army is just completely unbeatable, even my BT's. I have seen small arms fire do some work.
Can people still find the skull cannon/rendmaster kit? Been sold out for MONTHS.
Good job, look forward to the rest! Can't wait for a codex with some new detachments too spice it up.
What a great comment! Thank you so much! At the end of the day where I place them in the list is all based on preference for the unit and what kind of games everyone plays 😁 I like thirsters! I have one with a big axe I've used for a decade! But sadly at the moment I feel like competitive players know how to just one shot him out of existence. This is why I prefer Skarbrand, because although he is a super scary unit, I use him more to buff my army than anything. If you can use him to hold units in melee, and +1 attack to letters, more often than not I just deep strike him 3" away from someone on a point and get the letters to kill something etc. in the next turn the enemy doesn't want to come close to you in fear of Skarbrand surviving, or he is behind a wall etc. and he will just run forward and crump someone! Happy wargaming! 😁
Recently ran a Nurgle/Khorne list into Necrons and boy did I bully them into submission. Similar to a list you run but I was able to get 3x3 units of crushers in and they were a problem with skarbrand. I totally agree that he is a big threat but movement is a challenge. Nurgle side dominated the mid board spreading shadow of chaos which helped with advance and charge plus battle shock shinanigans. Super effective.
Cheers from Nova Scotia, Canada
What a great comment! Cheers! Wow how did you manage to fit in 3x3 crushers? That's 330 points! I assume you didn't take a lot of infantry like I do. Sounds like you had a fun time though for sure! Movement is 100% an issue, really need to think about where you're going to be ahead of time.
Cheers from Syd. Aus! 😁
¡Hola, Jack! Yo estoy enamorado de la unidad de Bloodcrushers con el Skullmaster, pegan mucho y aguantan más de lo que parece. Gracias por estas tier list, me están orientando mucho, y siguen muy vigentes a pesar del cambio de chapter.
¡De nada! ¡Me alegro que los disfrutes tanto! ¡Nunca pensé que sería tan útil para alguien que habla otro idioma como idioma principal!
@@Barnyard-Wargaming ¡Son muy útiles tus videos! En español no hay jugadores competitivos de Demonios que hablen de ellos en UA-cam, así que me has ayudado mucho con este nuevo ejército
Glorious bloodshed!! The greatest of the four!
KILL MAIM BURN!!! Khorne for the win!
When you revisit this, if you ever revisit this, I'd love to know what you think of the non-aligned daemons in each of the alignments. I.e. "how good are daemon princes or soul grinders in a khorne army versus in a tzeentch army?" and so on.
I think the only use I really found is using the one on foot with Nurgle or tzeentch armies to castle all the units together and make them all stealth. But grouping together like that is such a bad idea, and makes you lose games so I'm not a fan of it. The one with wings I haven't tested as much but I'm not a big fan of them. That's just me though, thanks for the nice comment! 😁
Awesome video, thanks for all the insights
My pleasure! Thank you for the great idea!
Thanks for nice video.
Agree, Skull Cannon is great, does a lot for it´s points.
I love Bloodthirster as a model, to bad that he is not performing in 10th, do you think the codex can buff him up?
Well I guess it's all based on choice right. There is a very good daemon player in Sydney aside from myself who loves blood thirsters... But I just don't see it. So who knows they might work for you? But I think they're a little bit too expensive honestly.
@@Barnyard-Wargaming It feels like some of the Daemons still are too expensive.
I like the flesh hounds, but only use them if I go all Khorne. If the Gore Hounds flamer was assault and they had a save of 3+ I think they would be more usable.
The toughest part for me when playing all Khorne, is the charge face if I need to make 3-4 important charges, I can only re-roll one of them....
Exactly! There's a very good short on our channel of me failing all my Khorne charges in a row... Let's try and avoid that again!
I think you have done a disservice to these faction videos. If you are only doing mono god tier list then you should only do how they interact within that mono god army. I think the flesh hounds in a mono Khorne list is a little better than what you rate them. The way you rated them is if you are using multiple god armies. You should do a multi god tier list if you are rating them against other god units. Just a thought
That's fair! I was for sure a little too harsh on the poor hounds. I just didn't want the video to be an hour long so I broke them up into factions.
I want to practice and get good with Bloodmaster's consolidate ability. I think there is a lot there that's underused.
I agree! I haven't fully looked it up to make sure I'm correct. But I'm fairly certain that if a unit is within 3" then you have to consolidate to the enemy unit IF you consolidate at all. But if they're more than 3", and an objective is 6" away I think you can go to the objective! Spicy plays to hold midboard later on, denying points etc.
Good vid!
Cheers! 😁
Hooray for greater demon buff. And skull Cannon went down and cost.
You think with the bloodthirster going down in points and with the greater demon buff, he will be stepped up a peg on the list
1000% he will be! In fact I will be using him live in about an hour from now! Let's see just how strong they can be! We got some insane buffs but after playing a game yesterday I'm a little bit sceptical... 🤔
@@Barnyard-Wargaming yeah evening, a new breakdown video would be pretty sweet and where you think everything stands now
It's coming! Busy busy but I will be doing a bunch of videos on it! 😁
No demon prince?
It's in the Nurgle video! 😁
I still think you are really overselling the skullcannon.
I also think you are underselling the flesh hounds given they are beasts they are fast they can combo with the rendmasters and can actually move through walls and take objectives unlike nurglings.
I agree on both counts. I reckon you could be right. Purely for the fact of separation I can't put everything in a/b tier. But I was probably a bit too harsh on the poor hounds.
Now compare it to sigmar demons
Ooooohhh! Maybe one day in the future! But sadly I don't play any Sigmar at the moment! Definitely cannot give insight on to that.
Hmm i just been in a GT tournament with 5 big bloody guys and 1 chrusher unit + skulltaker in a group of bloodletters and won 3 out of 5 battles AND was 2 point from actually win 4 battles.. dident win the 4th because dident get secondary i could score in turn 5 ( so lost with 2 points )... Bloodthirsters i allways take with me because they are such a threat and my 5 wounds BT in battle against T-SONS against their t..t red deamon could almost kill him in 1 go... Only 2-3 Wounds left and i dident hit that good... Small units just got blown away if they look out of a ruin... So for me nxt. Time 6 big guys with 1 unit skullcannon will be fun. So i think BT are a little higher that what you rate it to be in my opinion. But GJ with your vids.
Fair points! And thank you for the lovely comment 😊
Nice Tierlist! But no way the flesh hounds are below the altar ... speed and price should bump them to c Tier ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes very far I was way too harsh on the hounds... Would like to see them have some more defense or something else come their way though
What a waste of time
Thanks for watching 😊
Damn bro