How was the Quran Organized by Chapter & Verse? | Questions about the Quran Part 6 | Dr. Shabir Ally

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  • @QuranSpeaks
    @QuranSpeaks  3 роки тому +10

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    • @briggsdidnotstrapem7699
      @briggsdidnotstrapem7699 3 роки тому

      I ggrew up a Muslim, good Muslimin will NEVER ask for money, this asking For money is not Islam's custom @Let the Quran Speak. You should be ashamed.

    • @briggsdidnotstrapem7699
      @briggsdidnotstrapem7699 3 роки тому

      I would give to the poor before i ask The People for money and i am poor, that is Islam. @ let the Quran Speak.

    • @darmawan88
      @darmawan88 3 роки тому

      I think it's ok to ask some support from muslim brother to make better dawah

    • @briggsdidnotstrapem7699
      @briggsdidnotstrapem7699 3 роки тому

      @@darmawan88 in Islam we give Zakat automaticly, at least i do, we give so we dont have to ask. You understand Zakat Right?

    • @briggsdidnotstrapem7699
      @briggsdidnotstrapem7699 3 роки тому

      @@darmawan88 also you do remember your Mother saying you better not be begging or asking people for money, because it is embarrassing.

  • @thegurunetwork8350
    @thegurunetwork8350 3 роки тому +25

    Thanks so much Sheikh. I use to think about this same question as well, but now I'm ok.

  • @darmawan88
    @darmawan88 3 роки тому +3

    I missed Syeikh Sabir Ally to give the long lecture (at least 1 hour) in UA-cam, not only short conversation. I enjoy a lot the lecture from Syeikh Sabir Ally. May Allah always bless him dan give him health...

  • @rohansaxena1550
    @rohansaxena1550 2 роки тому +2

    I respect this scholar. He is knowledgeable and very balanced.

  • @HamzaSayyid
    @HamzaSayyid 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you for this great series!! I was wondering this exact question today!!

    • @sharonmathew2225
      @sharonmathew2225 2 роки тому

      OK answer but not clear right? Who organized the chapters and verse in the present Quran? God or Man?

  • @godisonegodhaswon
    @godisonegodhaswon 3 роки тому +3

    JazakAllah Khairan Dr. Ally

  • @bilgegunlu3229
    @bilgegunlu3229 3 роки тому +3

    Makes so much sense. Thank you so much 🙏🏼

  • @mohamedatheek7039
    @mohamedatheek7039 2 місяці тому

    Certainly I can enhance my English knowledge by listening to the sheikh's explanation

  • @onlignebridge4224
    @onlignebridge4224 11 місяців тому +1

    This proves the Book was also recorded in pen during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

  • @aligadelaide9186
    @aligadelaide9186 Рік тому +1

    Very important question to well versed academic

  • @klickklack3949
    @klickklack3949 10 місяців тому +4

    Its ordered from longest chapter to shortest. No need to beat around the bush with a long video. That's why when someone reads it it seems like stuff has no order.

    • @Innuendo226
      @Innuendo226 7 місяців тому +1

      Did you even watch the video? 🤦‍♀️

    • @zunaidkajee4540
      @zunaidkajee4540 7 місяців тому +3

      That's not correct. The last chapter is not the smallest in the Quran....

    • @almaghrabee
      @almaghrabee Місяць тому

      Chapters were not revealed all at once. You should listen more often.

  • @rationalthinker5993
    @rationalthinker5993 3 роки тому +2

    Masha Allah ❤️

  • @Hamza000h
    @Hamza000h 3 роки тому +1

    Jazakallah sheikh

  • @chandermohan1134
    @chandermohan1134 Рік тому

    Comments are also very knowledgeable.
    They give a lot if illumination on this highly controversial topic.
    SriRam

  • @Simarodra
    @Simarodra 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you Dr. Shabir. The approach I see people in my country do is reading Qur'an in sequence as ritual in one time of the day (usually after fajr), then at other time on the same day (usually between maghrib and 'Isa) they read (and try to memorize) the chapter they want to focus, usually also by reading its commentary.

  • @fehmidapatel9844
    @fehmidapatel9844 Рік тому +1

    But then what was the order that prophet may Allahs peace and blessings be upon him recite to jibail alayhissalam in the last ramadan of his life, which he did twice? please can u put a light on it?

  • @nocheapdopamine725
    @nocheapdopamine725 Рік тому +1

    V appreciate if anyone can help me by answering this or giving link to something- how did the Prophet PBUH and the early muslims establish prayer if certain sura’s were unfinished or hadn’t been completely revealed yet? For example in the very early days when say 10% of the Quran was revealed, wouldn’t this mean there were only a couple of completed surahs with the other surahs only having in them a few verses? Thx

  • @SaidAttalah
    @SaidAttalah Рік тому +1

    Respect to you All. What I learned from other scholars was that before the Prophet (PBUH) passed away, the Angel Djabril (PBUH) recited the Quran in the order we now know, then the prophet recited it in the same order afterwards. is that correct? Thank you for your efforts.

    • @klickklack3949
      @klickklack3949 10 місяців тому

      That's wrong. The order we have today is not the chronological order of how the verses have been revealed.

    • @Dontlie1948
      @Dontlie1948 4 місяці тому

      Alhamdulilla, you got it right ✅️

    • @Dontlie1948
      @Dontlie1948 4 місяці тому

      Alhamdulilla, you got it right ✅️

  • @MyNnavarro
    @MyNnavarro 5 місяців тому

    Did the categorization of chapters and verses come with the completion of the Qur'an or was the Qur'an later categorized into chapters and verses?

  • @harontado
    @harontado 6 місяців тому

    This means, after prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) death,
    Allah (swt) is still with us muslim. He guided us without our knowing.
    How come that the qur'an is organized by the people without their knowing that they put it together perfectly.
    Why, because the sequence of the chapter of qur'an have algorithm that show miracles,

  • @Maha_s1999
    @Maha_s1999 2 місяці тому

    Dr Shabir - mathematically the number of possible permutations of the 114 Surahs of the Qur'an is 114!=1.49×10^188 - trillions of trillions of trillions..... an extremely large number of permutations.

  • @onlignebridge4224
    @onlignebridge4224 11 місяців тому

    ⚠The end of *each chapter seems to be linked to the opening of the following one* . Check it out

  • @JohnMoore-jz7be
    @JohnMoore-jz7be 8 місяців тому

    The Quran says that it was revealed as a similar revelation

  • @m.e.e2878
    @m.e.e2878 3 роки тому +6

    Love the Showwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

  • @JohnMoore-jz7be
    @JohnMoore-jz7be 8 місяців тому

    Is the quran written like the bible revealed like the bible translated like tge bible and interpreted like the bible is it the same revelation the same order ???

  • @Therestrial432
    @Therestrial432 2 роки тому +1

    Why doesn’t Dr. Shabir Ali cite his sources of where he got this information?
    Also this still doesn’t explain why the current version is better than the order that ALLAH revealed it to the prophet… I’ve watched a lot of these videos and the only possible logical reason I can think of is either because the compilers were arrogant enough to think they knew better than the REVEALER, OR they were doing it to manipulate the narrative/meaning.
    If you are angered by this comment go back and reread the Quran in chronological order and understand the difference yourself.

  • @السيدالمسيحعبداللهورسوله

    لا اله الا انت سبحانك اني كنت من الظالمين

  • @illuminatiagent7691
    @illuminatiagent7691 2 роки тому

    So, which chapter and verses were written by the guy who quit writing the quran and later was put on the list of ten people to be beheaded after the taking of mecca.?????

  • @kryptonite4974
    @kryptonite4974 Рік тому

    Is there any unequivocal statement in the Quran that mentioned that the bibble is corrupted.

  • @NedimTabakovic
    @NedimTabakovic 2 роки тому +2

    If we don't believe Muhammed s.a.w.s. was literally illiterate, he must have spent nights editing and writing down Qur'an by the instructors of the One who revealed Qur'an...Almighty God...

    • @chandermohan1134
      @chandermohan1134 Рік тому +1

      Perhaps the Prophets was not illiterate.
      But he was not a scholar either.
      SriRam.

    • @ukimenustah26
      @ukimenustah26 Рік тому +2

      @@chandermohan1134 idk man... many evidences suggest that hes illiterate

  • @samsam4844
    @samsam4844 2 роки тому

    Please watch youtube useful charts about who wrote the Quran

  • @mahmudurrahman7519
    @mahmudurrahman7519 2 роки тому

    and how logical is that?

  • @گرشاهجاوید
    @گرشاهجاوید 3 роки тому +1

    excellent

  • @bahmankargosha4946
    @bahmankargosha4946 11 місяців тому +3

    Conclusions: Firstly, Allah is the most incoherent God created by human. Secondly, for the companions of Muhammad, size did mater as they arranged the chapters in Quran simply according to the size !

    • @wrongin8992
      @wrongin8992 7 місяців тому

      You know you can verify this yourself and see that this is not true right? If you just take a look at the first 10 chapters you can tell that its not highest to lowest
      1. 7 verses
      2. 286 verses
      3. 200 verses
      4. 176 verses
      5. 120 verses
      6. 165 verses
      7. 206 verses
      8. 75 verses
      9. 129 verses
      10. 109 verses
      is this highest to lowest? did u fail math?

    • @bahmankargosha4946
      @bahmankargosha4946 7 місяців тому

      @@wrongin8992 Oh really? Let me verify: Firstly, this is what this guy said and I was just concluding based on his opinion. However, the first chapter is just the opening which can not be even God’s words because in it , someone , asks for guidance by Allah. Secondly, the bigger number of verses doesn’t necessarily mean that the surah is also bigger but anyway Quran is just terribly arranged because it’s not arranged chronologically. There are Madani verses which are added to Makki verses and have totally changed the meaning, like verse 6 of Al-Alaqh which comes after the very first verses probably had revealed to Muhammad. They are also verses which denounce previous verses etc. In conclusion, Quran has lots of editorial issues besides all of other conceptual problems.

    • @rebeuoriginel
      @rebeuoriginel 7 місяців тому

      @@bahmankargosha4946 Qu'ran has no issues because it has numerical miracles in it that no human could of guessed, the temperature of the sun's surface is 5778K, there are 5778 verses between the first and last mention of the word sun, no human being knew the kelvin scale nor the number, and no one could of guessed this, therefore if it has been changed the numerical miracles would of fallen do the floor, and we have old qu'rans that match the same quran we have today, therefore your whole argument is demolished.

  • @Dontlie1948
    @Dontlie1948 4 місяці тому

    This Quran protected by Allah, therefore the Quran order of is the way Allah intended.
    ***the enemies of truth trying very hard to derail Umma anyway it's possible. Allah is efficient for us.

  • @JohnMoore-jz7be
    @JohnMoore-jz7be 8 місяців тому

    Will the mahdi come to save and rescue intervene on behalf of the Palestinians

  • @JohnMoore-jz7be
    @JohnMoore-jz7be 8 місяців тому

    Why did God speak in all these different languages does it have anything to do with the tower 🗼 of babel when all mens language had changed because of disobedience and rebellion against God do he confused mans ability to communicate across the board because ib the beginning there was only one language universal language back then until God intervene with mans language

  • @gabrielhospedales5384
    @gabrielhospedales5384 3 роки тому

    Sefaria

  • @robertcolbourne386
    @robertcolbourne386 3 роки тому +1

    I Am a cultural Christian. I read the Penguin translation. The forward of this translation says the chapter order from shortest to longest but Penguin placed them in chronological order , is this an error ?

    • @cotesia7931
      @cotesia7931 3 роки тому

      If it's not, it's error in chapter arrangement

    • @chandermohan1134
      @chandermohan1134 Рік тому +1

      @@cotesia7931 Arrangement of verses and Rakus (Paragraphs) is also a complicated matter.
      It will always remain a mystery.
      SriRam.

  • @BlackTVPicasso
    @BlackTVPicasso 3 роки тому +10

    This explanation is as confusing as the subject itself. Especially when you read the text, one can quickly see that the order is meaningless.

    • @LeMumtahina
      @LeMumtahina 2 роки тому +1

      The end of one verse goes to the first of the second surah

    • @yoosufsamir
      @yoosufsamir Рік тому +4

      I pray that Allah guides us all

    • @chandermohan1134
      @chandermohan1134 Рік тому

      Correct.
      Confusing and highly controversial topic.
      Perhaps there was an oral tradition in which the revelations were scattered here and there.
      The Abbasis compiled these scattered verses in a book form.
      It was natural that this compilation resulted in the amorphous and unsystematic structure and arrangement of verses and chapters available now.
      Anyway, this very tough classical is quite serious and charishmatic and has stood the test of time.
      SriRam.

  • @GarryKazparog
    @GarryKazparog 6 місяців тому +1

    There's no prophet after Jesus.
    Jesus said during His time "beware of the false prophet that will come"

  • @zahidultrahd5463
    @zahidultrahd5463 Рік тому +1

    Was male interviewer not available ?

  • @fgtrhwu2
    @fgtrhwu2 3 роки тому

    Is it wrong to read the Quran chronologically?

    • @nk518
      @nk518 3 роки тому +1

      NO problem in that

    • @cotesia7931
      @cotesia7931 3 роки тому

      No problem, because different topic

    • @chandermohan1134
      @chandermohan1134 Рік тому

      No problem at all.
      But order of verses and chapters is a highly controversial topic.
      So, it is better to study it in the present available form.
      Anyway, the
      tough classical is quite serious and charishmatic and has stood the test of time.
      It may take decades of hardwork to recite it properly and to sufficiently understand it.
      SriRam.

  • @d_trizzy
    @d_trizzy 11 місяців тому

    What in the waffle?
    What a confusing reply.
    Everything in the Quaran seems so purposeful yet the chapters are incorrect?
    So... How do we know the current interpretation is correct?
    Something not right here.
    Wasn't the book put together somewhat 100 years after Mohammeds death?

    • @wrongin8992
      @wrongin8992 7 місяців тому +1

      its not 100 years after the prophet's death, the compilation is completed 10 years after the prophet's death
      they were already compiling it at the time of the prophet and continued until finally managed to complete it at the time of uthman

  • @joe-nn2ml
    @joe-nn2ml 6 місяців тому

    I was doing some research.
    I find it interesting that Jesus died about 600 years before the quran was written by Mohammed. Mohammed said that the quran was dictated to him by the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who was sitting in a chair (Possibly a throne) in space between heaven and Earth. Who is the ruler of the 1st layer of heaven (space) and Earth? Satan is.
    Joseph Smith said that an "angel of light" appeared to him and gave him the book of Mormon written on gold tablets (that no one else has ever seen).
    What does the bible say about Satan? It says that he comes as an "angel of light" to deceive many.
    The Bible is the only book that claims to be the direct inspiration of God. It also claims that God Himself dictated to Moses, not angels.
    Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, wrote the first Watchtower Bible in 1884. (Didn't even claim it came from God or an angel. (Just his translation).
    So, the majority of the Bible was dictated by God and written prior to the quran and the catholic bible and the book of Mormon and the Jehovah's Witness bible.
    So, which one do you think we should put our faith in?

  • @sharonmathew2225
    @sharonmathew2225 2 роки тому +2

    The main reason for the disorganization in Quran was because the words revealed by Allah to Prophet Muhammad was not for the benifit of believers but only for the benifit of the Prophet. Whenever Prophet is in trouble Allah reveals His words to rescue him. Poor believers has to arrange it with their own efforts to understand and follow Allah's word. Very sad.

    • @sultanahamed2484
      @sultanahamed2484 Рік тому +3

      Because of this u r not believer Jesus did not recieve bible nor he compose it

    • @jmdawlat
      @jmdawlat Рік тому

      Very well said! It is a horribly disorganized book.
      The part that fascinates me is that abrogated verses are not labeled by Allah as abrogated. We know from Hadith and other sources which verses were abrogated.
      Some people still don’t know if certain verses are abrogated or still valid. An example is the verse that was used in this video “there is no compulsion in religion”. It is abrogated by the verses encouraging Jihad, according to some.

    • @mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
      @mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Рік тому

      @@jmdawlat the verse that forbids compulsion in religion was never abrogated you muppet.

  • @TheTruth-hc7ww
    @TheTruth-hc7ww 3 роки тому +7

    Im Sorry but the Narrative is Just Falling apart.
    The Quran has No Order, Not chronologically and not even in the order of recitation. Even Numbering the Chapters makes No sense since there is No connection between the Chapter before or the Chapter After. Numbering the verses makes even Less sense since there is no way of telling which verse came first. If the Chapters are not in any kind of Order then its safe to say the Verses are not in order either. The explanation just exposes more issues, but atleast he tried.

    • @jamieammar6131
      @jamieammar6131 3 роки тому +1

      You can order the chapters in some relative ways. For example, mild chapters, where it talks about peace, and addresses people of other faiths, were the pre war chapters. Chapters that were addressed to the Jews, and where it said as long the people of the book believe, they have no reason to fear, those were from the Prophet's stay in Medinah. Some violent chapters were from the war times. The Chapter Al Imran, most of it addresses the wars, could be during that time. Some minority parts of it are indirectly addressed towards the Christians, would make sense to be meant for the Christian King of Aksum, when some companions of the prophet had to move to Ethiopia for safety and convince the King that Islam is a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Or perhaps meant for the Najran Christians. And finally, the verse where decrees come upon and invalidate everything else aside from Islam, are after or around the time of the victory against Mecca.

    • @TheTruth-hc7ww
      @TheTruth-hc7ww 3 роки тому +4

      @@jamieammar6131
      The name of your Book is called Al Quran which means the Recitation yet its not read in that way. You have to invent your own order with made up concepts like Medinan and Meccan Verses, which is just a man made attempt to organize the book. If this was truly divinely inspired there would be no need to number or arrange it from Surah 1 - 114. Because the fact of the matter is Surah 1 could be Surah 50 and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference because One chapter has nothing to do with the other. Its All just confusion. For example The first revelation is supposedly Surah Al Alaq and How do Muslims know this? From sources outside the Quran in other words Man Made. Matter of fact there are some Muslims that don’t believe that Surah Al Alaq is the first revelation, and I actually agree with them because the Chapter gives no context in to suggest this was the first verse. Also I don’t know if you noticed but the Hadiths say The Angel said “Iqra” 3x but the Chapter only has it there twice. Its All manmade and the narrative is falling apart. Dr. Ally even says that 5 verses were revealed and then the rest “at some other time” which is that “some other time”… Nobody Knows.

    • @Natalie-fj7fs
      @Natalie-fj7fs 3 роки тому +3

      The Quran has no order but in order to find and easily reference certain topics there was a need to create verses and chapters. There is no wrongdoing in that.

    • @chandermohan1134
      @chandermohan1134 Рік тому

      @@TheTruth-hc7ww
      Yes a great mystery.
      Still the tough classical is quite serious and prophetic in its outlook and charismatic and has stood the test of time.
      SriRam.

    • @asaniwasabi
      @asaniwasabi Рік тому +2

      @@TheTruth-hc7ww Gabriel said '"Iqra" three times before the rest of the first verse of Surah Alaq was revealed. The first two times he said this, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said "I am unable to read." After the third "iqra," Gabriel followed it with the rest of the verse.
      "Iqra"
      "I am unable to read"
      "Iqra"
      "I am unable to read"
      "Iqra bismi rabika alazhi khalaq"
      That last line is 96:1. You're probably mistaking the lost third "iqra" in the Quran
      for the first three times Gabriel's said it. Nothing was lost, three consecutive "iqra" just weren't put in the beginning of Surah Alaq because Gabriel was preparing the Prophet (pbuh) for the first revelation.

  • @johnmicallef2627
    @johnmicallef2627 3 роки тому +5

    What it does give, is a true sense of man made religion and a quoran fabricated by man from different religions poetry and pre existing literature

    • @DK-sm7cb
      @DK-sm7cb 3 роки тому

      @AB Nr There is a better way too dear which exists in this very world and just you are not aware of it

    • @MB-lx7ti
      @MB-lx7ti 3 роки тому +9

      @@DK-sm7cb you mean the Bible that no one knows the actual confirmed authors of? That was written hundreds of years after Jesus (peace be upon him). That has no original Aramaic version and was edited by a King named James and has various versions other than that? That’s the “better” you’re talking about, I see.

    • @MB-lx7ti
      @MB-lx7ti 3 роки тому +3

      How sure are you of your claim? I need references of your claim. Hint: Your claim has already been discussed and settled 1400 years ago by Muslim scholars and non-Muslims. Take your time.

    • @Hamza000h
      @Hamza000h 3 роки тому +3

      You sound as silly as your surname. I suggest you study scholars and not missionaries like jay smith

    • @zcevher
      @zcevher 3 роки тому +2

      This is the only generation that has no knowledge, but has opinion about everything. You don't even know how to spell Qur'an (which shows you have never even read it), and still visit Islamic channels and comment about the religion which you have no idea about... Good job!

  • @Ex-Muslim_Danish
    @Ex-Muslim_Danish Рік тому +3

    Very unconvincing and illogical explanation just like Quran.... hats off to your mental gymnastics 👏👏👏

    • @sultanahamed2484
      @sultanahamed2484 Рік тому

      Quoran does not addresses the people who don't believe in it ones mind should be lighted up to understand quoran those who indulge in eating pig wine r not in a position to understand it