James Hunt on Riccardo Patrese - 1992 South African Grand Prix

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  • BBC commentator James Hunt accuses Patrese of not trying after weighing in heavier than Nigel Mansell for the first time, also stating that Damon Hill should be in the seat instead.
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  • @samacw
    @samacw Місяць тому +36

    Patrese was one of those solid B tier drivers, like Webber, Coulthard, Barichello, Berger, Perez and so on. They can have a championship challenge if things go their way but ultimately don't have that final edge to win week after week and become champions.

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 Місяць тому +9

      And Bottas and Irvine and Massa

    • @oscoe
      @oscoe Місяць тому +1

      And Alesi and whatsisname etc

    • @samacw
      @samacw Місяць тому +1

      @oscoe only one win and I don't think he ever got in the top 3 in a championship.

    • @DANCEDWAT
      @DANCEDWAT Місяць тому +4

      Webber would've been top tier if he were in a good car earlier.

    • @johnnytopgun6414
      @johnnytopgun6414 Місяць тому +6

      ​@oscoe Alesi just had shit cars if he had a Williams he would have been faster than Hill at least. Gave Senna heaps of trouble as a rookie in crap cars

  •  2 місяці тому +78

    Hunt blamed Patrese for Ronnie Peterson's crash which Peterson later died from. He always had it in for him. If I remember correctly Patrese was turning the traction control on when Senna got close hence the erratic lap times. TC was new at the time and Renault were not happy about them running it as they thought it would damage the engine. But Hunt didn't know that!

    • @TerribleFire
      @TerribleFire 2 місяці тому +12

      JH was right. Patrese had every opportunity to prove Hunt was wrong but he blew it at every opportunity.

    • @danielhornby5581
      @danielhornby5581 Місяць тому +8

      Patrese in the same car as Mansell won zero races to his teammate’s nine in 1992. Perhaps JH had a point about Patrese’s acumen behind the wheel…

    • @Reddwarf1994
      @Reddwarf1994 Місяць тому +7

      ​@danielhornby5581 Patrese did win 1 race in 1992 in Japan but Mansell was out of the race by then.
      He was also on to win the Italian GP which Mansell was helping him to do but both retired with reliability problems

    • @titanent.6897
      @titanent.6897 Місяць тому +4

      All I have to say to that is bullshit

    • @hudgensons
      @hudgensons Місяць тому

      Ironic when it was James Hunt himself who cause the accident. Riccardo was young and inexperienced and did not stand up to a world champion, felt intimidated. These days such a piece of shit like Hunt would have to answer for his pathetic claims. Probably the worst F1 champion produced by UK.

  • @LucasGonzalezA
    @LucasGonzalezA 2 місяці тому +49

    Hunt never forgave Patrese for Ronnie Peterson's death. It's amazing to hear how bitter he still was, even 15 years later.

    • @utubeusn
      @utubeusn 2 місяці тому +35

      Especially considering it was he, Hunt, who closed in and crashed into Peterson

    • @NicotineRosberg
      @NicotineRosberg Місяць тому +21

      It's called being British

    • @utubeusn
      @utubeusn Місяць тому +7

      I think it’s more not managing to come to terms with being, albeit involuntarily, responsible for injuring a person who eventually died afterwards. Any it is altogether understandable

    • @JamesC1981
      @JamesC1981 Місяць тому +1

      the docs were obviously incompetent there's no way Ronnie Peterson should have died with that. family should have sued them

    • @marcofreire1595
      @marcofreire1595 Місяць тому +7

      @@NicotineRosberg Yes. There always has to be a scapegoat in British culture

  • @Muesliman467
    @Muesliman467 Місяць тому +22

    This was the downside of Hunt's so called "Say it as it is" style that people get so nostalgic about. It could be very enjoyable but also really annoying when Hunt got a bee in his bonnet or held a grudge.

    • @parallaxview2143
      @parallaxview2143 Місяць тому +2

      Like a dog with a bone he just can't let it go can he? Tiresome to listen to as you say. Still, not for much longer as we would soon find out.

  • @stevehun77
    @stevehun77 Місяць тому +39

    Hunt never could digest that it was himself and not Patrese who Peterson's accident caused at Monza in '78.

    • @Mr18000rpm
      @Mr18000rpm Місяць тому +2

      I agree!

    • @rondog540
      @rondog540 Місяць тому +8

      Biggest factor was probably the starter letting them go before all the cars had stopped on the grid. Even then the first corner Monza already banked the cars up, you don't need the ones at the back having such a speed differential as well. Disaster waiting to happen 😞

    • @peteanderson4395
      @peteanderson4395 Місяць тому +12

      I remember Murray saying in his book...all he had to do to get Hunt ranting was to say something nice about Patrese

    • @stuartbritton4811
      @stuartbritton4811 13 днів тому

      It's called projection.

  • @macket
    @macket 2 місяці тому +31

    Hunts dislike of Patrese goes back to the Italian GP at Monza 1978, where Hunt blamed a young Patrese to the startaccident that caused the death of Ronnie Peterson. Hunt never got over it.

    • @Sean-if7rp
      @Sean-if7rp Місяць тому +10

      Patrese wasn’t to blame

    • @paulparker7419
      @paulparker7419 Місяць тому +4

      ​@@Sean-if7rpHunt actually hit Peterson's car first.

  • @gdogg3710
    @gdogg3710 2 місяці тому +65

    I can shed some light on this if anyone is interested. The FW14B only sort of had traction control early in the season. TC in F1 terms had evolved out of a Ferrari launch control system that Prost accidentally left on at a wet race and was two seconds a lap faster than everyone else. Anyone sat on the pit wall that was an engineer would have heard him going by misfiring like crazy and figured out why he was so fast.
    However, development of such a system requires the cooperation of the engine supplier and as it was a brand new concept, Renault were still to be convinced about the effect that such a system would have on their engine.
    Patrese hated the active car and Mansell loved it, hence their enormous performance difference that year. Nigel was able to scamper off into the distance, but Williams were having to keep turning car no.6’s TC back on to shake off Senna. After a while though the Renault engineers would come over and tell them to turn it off. Thus the inconsistent lap times and performance.
    After a while though Dudot and the boys realised their engine could handle TC ok and the system is as left on permanently.
    Paddy Lowe talks about this in his episode of ‘Beyond the Grid’…

    • @peterf1
      @peterf1 2 місяці тому +4

      Fascinating stuff. Thank you, didn't know all that. I was focused on Hunt denigrate Patrese for pulling away from Senna...

    • @seanys
      @seanys 2 місяці тому +5

      I had to wonder if it was tactics and it was just James’ lack of experience in the modern era that was the source of his comments. This comment completely explains it.

    • @gdogg3710
      @gdogg3710 2 місяці тому +7

      @@peterf1 Hunt was refreshingly blunt and honest, but the way he was with Patrese was out of order. Monza ‘78 was all just a terrible accident. If anyone was to blame it was the idiot starter…

    • @gdogg3710
      @gdogg3710 2 місяці тому

      The bit about Prost and the launch control I learned from Steve Nichol being interviewed on the Jay Emz on Cars YT channel btw…

    • @toucheturtle3840
      @toucheturtle3840 Місяць тому +3

      The “active suspension” was computer controlled, mapping the circuit & actively pushing the wheels onto the surface. Mansell loved it when it was working properly, but has said it was highly dangerous when not…(computer says no)…Imagine a spider walking around a racetrack…now imagine the spider is blind drunk…

  • @thatguyfromcetialphaV
    @thatguyfromcetialphaV 2 місяці тому +38

    When Ricardo crashed at Estoril later on in the season, instead of saying 'I hope he's alright,' James started saying how Patrese hadn't done his chances of re-signing for the team the following year. Ouch!

    • @sinkthepink83
      @sinkthepink83 2 місяці тому +6

      He was right though, Patrese wasn't in the car the following year

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 Місяць тому +4

      I think all he said was "oh dear!"

    • @cmgamer1309
      @cmgamer1309 Місяць тому +10

      @@sinkthepink83 Williams did actually wanted to keep Patrese on for 93, but he had already signed for Benetton. Under the illusion that he would not be retained. He tried to get out of it unsuccessfully, after he had learned of this.

    • @Mr18000rpm
      @Mr18000rpm Місяць тому +1

      @@sinkthepink83 Neither was Mansell; and he rewrote the F1 record book for a single season. Not even Alain Prost could come close to Mansell's 1992 performance despite his FW15C being at least as dominant if not more so than Mansell's Fw14B.

    • @roberttaney9795
      @roberttaney9795 Місяць тому +1

      This isnt true. Moreover, Prost thrashed Mansell when they were teammates. While Mansell complained of politics, there was never anything like McLaren in 89 and Mexico and Monza where Senna’s car was much faster on straight with more wing.
      Before 1993. McLaren caught and overtook Williams in drivers aids- this is why Senna didnt consider donington one of his best drives. They had a superior transmission and telemetry. Their traction control was superior in the first half. The 92 car was an outmoded boat. Ron Dennis considers the 93 one of the finest McLarens ever.
      unfortunately they couldnt use their superior tracfion control with the works engine they got in France.The same familt of V8 that Schumacher used to such good effect in 94. They did have bespoke airlets that supposedly were good for 50hp- although frankly that sounds a bit ridiculous, granted they spent millions on them.
      All the cars had sigjificanrly reduced grip and downforce in 1993 from smaller tires and wings. One of the biggest single season drops since ground effects were banned.
      Williams maintained their edge at the horsepower tracks, and it wasnt Prosts finest campaign- he had been retired and never liked the Driver Aids, but Hill was in a 3 horse race with Schumacher and Senna.
      In 1992 a washed up Patrese cruised to second in 92.

  • @rondog540
    @rondog540 Місяць тому +40

    Ricardo go slow = Ricardo is selfish
    Ricardo go fast = Ricardo is selfish
    Ricardo defend line = Ricardo is dangerous
    Ricardo doesn't defend line = Ricardo is a coward
    Ricardo joins new team over winter = Ricardo is fat
    It's common knowledge that Hunt blamed Patrese for Peterson's death at Monza, and this video shows that Hunt was even better at holding a grudge than he was at going fast around a racetrack

    • @mcrichton46
      @mcrichton46 Місяць тому +3

      I’ve just commented a similar thing, I remember reading of it numerous times back in the day. As much as I enjoyed Hunt in the booth, sometimes his inability to let go of his personal grudges often annoyed me from time to time.

    • @rondog540
      @rondog540 Місяць тому +3

      @@mcrichton46 yep. I enjoyed his forthright views, which were usually spot on, but he was never one to admit they could be wrong. The Patrese thing grated, particularly since retrospective investigations found what happened between him, Patrese and Peterson was a tragic racing incident caused in large part by the failure of the starter to wait until all cars had stopped on the grid before letting them go. Even if it had been a reckless error in judgement by Patrese in the heat of the moment, it is still a hell of a thing to hold him directly responsible for the death of a colleague, with the way safety was in the 70s.
      Still, he was a genuine character and legend of the sport, F1 needs more like him

    • @iehen
      @iehen 24 дні тому +1

      riCCardo

  • @thargor6750
    @thargor6750 2 місяці тому +90

    You cant beat the 90s commentary. Leagues ahead of the circus show now.

    • @_Ben4810
      @_Ben4810 2 місяці тому +28

      Just thinking about David Croft gives me a migraine...

    • @moiseulpasmoi
      @moiseulpasmoi 2 місяці тому +2

      More like a personal thing. I prefer Crofty

    • @JRacer85
      @JRacer85 2 місяці тому +19

      Agree, Crofty is just one of many reasons why I stopped watching several years ago, he goes hand in hand with the dumbed-down nature of modern F1, no wonder Brundle just phones his commentary having to work with Crofty.

    • @AlanMcB
      @AlanMcB  Місяць тому +3

      I think Alex Jacques is equally as bad as Crofty.

    • @toucheturtle3840
      @toucheturtle3840 Місяць тому +12

      Murray’s enthusiasm with James’s bullshit free know how made them the perfect “odd couple”.

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 Місяць тому +8

    Those Ligier-Renault cars were really beautiful!

  • @pommunist
    @pommunist Місяць тому +16

    Formula 1 was so much more fun, when the cars were painted like ciggy packets, with James Hunts colourful commentary and the wonderfully excitable Murray Walker trying to be diplomatic.

    • @joeycusack8314
      @joeycusack8314 Місяць тому +1

      I remember Murray Walker saying at the time that it was a golden age. I was too young at the time to know otherwise. He was right. Brilliant commentary team!

  • @bertrandnkurunziza
    @bertrandnkurunziza 2 місяці тому +9

    Hunt has always (and wrongly) considered Patrese responsible for the accident that did cost the life of Ronnie Peterson.

  • @littleinkling4604
    @littleinkling4604 2 місяці тому +27

    'Patrese inadvertently holding up Senna'. One lap later Ferrari and Benneton being held up by Senna.

  • @sdstewart87
    @sdstewart87 2 місяці тому +9

    Hunt's hatred for Patrese was next level 😂

  • @redfruit1968
    @redfruit1968 Місяць тому +24

    I like the way Murray put an end to Hunt's tirade by saying "we'll have a little chat about that James" in a serious tone of voice, you can tell he had enough of Hunt's utter nonsense about Riccardo.

    • @soilentgreen7
      @soilentgreen7 Місяць тому +4

      It wasn't nonsense

    • @rideroundandstuff
      @rideroundandstuff Місяць тому +17

      @@soilentgreen7of course it was, Patrese was in a solid 2nd position and Hunt tried to frame him as a complete failure

    • @hudgensons
      @hudgensons Місяць тому

      @@soilentgreen7 Hunt was a degenerate drunkard in his post-F1 years.

  • @markdowling9020
    @markdowling9020 2 місяці тому +16

    Murray Walker's suggestion of a 'chat' at the end didn't sound like a cordial post-race drink invitation, but more like 'we're going to have a meeting with the producer about this'. I think Hunt had well and truly made his point!
    That said, there was very little to talk about in this race - this was the last season where pit stops were not always necessary, and this usually resulted in fairly processional races like this one.

    • @theiceman7590
      @theiceman7590 2 місяці тому +4

      That was the season after next season. In 1993 teams still went an entire race with no pit stops

    • @rosumin38
      @rosumin38 Місяць тому +4

      I think Murray may have been telling James to chill out during that awkward pause.

    • @rondog540
      @rondog540 Місяць тому

      Yep, that was definitely a very thinly veiled threat from Murray 😁 good on him, he loved the sport and treated all the drivers with respect until they proved they were not worthy of it.

    • @neilmartin3220
      @neilmartin3220 Місяць тому +1

      I think it Murray's polite way way of saying Ok you've made your point. We spoke about this long enough lets move on.

  • @philipbain
    @philipbain Місяць тому +4

    There was a very good reason for Patrase's inconsistent pace at Kyalami '92, the Traction Control hadn't done a race distance so he only used it when Senna caught him, he'd subsequently pulled away from Senna as a result and then turned it off again.

  • @spoon072000
    @spoon072000 2 місяці тому +14

    Patrese weighing in heavier than Mansell? Now that's an achievement!

    • @gdogg3710
      @gdogg3710 2 місяці тому +5

      If you look at pictures of Nigel that year vs other years (particularly when he came back in 1994) he was actually quite trim. He knew deep down he blew it big time in 1991 and that 1992 was going to be his best ever chance, so he summoned the motivation to get in shape.
      Drove most of the year with a bad foot, sustained from crashing in the wet at Adelaide the year before, which he never told anyone about…

    • @vonPelger
      @vonPelger Місяць тому +1

      Like Newey said. He just dehydrated himself

    • @rondog540
      @rondog540 Місяць тому

      Ok, so it was 84 in the Lotus, and Nigel looked in pretty good nick. And it was oppressively hot in Vegas - he gets a leave pass for that. Still, only Nigel could have made the flop so theatrical 😂 legend

  • @rossdark713
    @rossdark713 Місяць тому +2

    This is the golden age of modern F1. Look at how simple the arero on the cars were. Look at how close the racing was. If only we could return to this, how awesome that would be.

  • @SunnyIntervalsORG
    @SunnyIntervalsORG Місяць тому +5

    Very harsh from Hunt. It looks like Patrese was just doing his bit for the team here, holding up everyone and allowing Mansell to extend his lead: a Perez to Mansell's Verstappen.

  • @TheUlysse2000
    @TheUlysse2000 Місяць тому +10

    1992 best year ever for me as a fan

    • @ElementsMMA
      @ElementsMMA Місяць тому

      Yes, the vbrant colour schemes of Williams, Benetton and Jordan contrasted by the famous racing liveries of Malboro McLaren and Ferrari made the '92 grid one of the most eye catching of all time.

    • @WellRaverOfficial
      @WellRaverOfficial Місяць тому +1

      100% for me as well. Nothing else compared

    • @TheUlysse2000
      @TheUlysse2000 Місяць тому

      @@WellRaverOfficialNigel deserved at least 3 or even 4 titles. So 1992 was a only Justice! (French fan)
      But Monaco 92 did hurt…

    • @WellRaverOfficial
      @WellRaverOfficial Місяць тому +1

      @@TheUlysse2000 yes remember 1990 when Ferrari kept breaking down and 1991 when the wheel came off exiting the pits and the last lap of Canada. Absolutely deserved it

    • @WellRaverOfficial
      @WellRaverOfficial Місяць тому +2

      @@TheUlysse2000 My first full F1 season was 1990 and I remember seing Mansell and thinking "whenever the Ferrari doesn't break down Mansell does well"

  • @mirial2108
    @mirial2108 Місяць тому +3

    Thank you for the upload and I vaguely remember watching this race, although only the highlights. Sadly, although we all loved his commentary in any category, I think Murray Walker wanted to think the best of everybody and always meant well, but James Hunt was too worldly and nobody's fool.

    • @tsj3025
      @tsj3025 Місяць тому

      You hit the nail on the head, that's exactly who Murray and James were.

  • @Sean-if7rp
    @Sean-if7rp Місяць тому +6

    Always resented Patrese for Ronnie’s crash. Which was less Patrese’s fault than Hunt’s

  • @Fenderfan1975
    @Fenderfan1975 Місяць тому +1

    OMG, those V 3.500 engine sounds...Beautiful. Music for my ears. Great memories with

  • @BarbaricAvatar
    @BarbaricAvatar Місяць тому +3

    The reason the old commentary sounds better is because the commentators knew what their jobs were. Their role is not to tell people what they can see for themselves, but to offer comments on what we're all watching as well as things the viewer's not going to know. Back in the Murray Walker days, we didn't always have access to live timing, so it was up to him to tell us when drivers were catching or falling behind.
    Any complete idiot can just sit there telling people what they're looking at, and that's just what the commentators do nowadays. It's not entirely Croft's fault as he did Radio commentary where his role was to tell everyone what was going on, but he's shown over the years that he's incapable of moving away from that.
    Anyway I'm not rose-tinted: The best commentary team we've ever had was that one glorious season in 2011 when it was Brundle & Coulthard comparing personal histories and having a general chat as we all watched the racing.

  • @ocn14s
    @ocn14s 2 місяці тому +6

    I have to agree with the comments of the people who stand up for Patrese - You wouldn't survive if Formula 1 for 15 years if you weren't a good driver - he never came close to a Championship but taking away his 2 disastrous years at Alfa Romeo , he had a good solid career with respectable results - I didnt dislike Hunt but in my opinion he was unfair with Patrese

    • @7mgtesup1
      @7mgtesup1 Місяць тому

      Plenty of drivers have had a long career in F1 with not a whole lot of talent. One of them was even mentioned in this video Andrea De Cesaris was backed by Marlboro for his entire career. If you think Logan Sargeant can crash a car you ain't seen nothing.

    • @redfruit1968
      @redfruit1968 Місяць тому +5

      @@7mgtesup1 Patrese won multiple races and regularly scored points in an era where only Top 6 positions gave points. He had more than just a bit of talent, not that someone who invokes Sargeant in the conversation would know anything about F1 in the first place.

    • @7mgtesup1
      @7mgtesup1 Місяць тому

      @@redfruit1968 I was making a valid point that you can survive in F1 for a long time without a great deal of talent. I never said anything about Patrese's talent......

  • @paulwalton7786
    @paulwalton7786 2 місяці тому +33

    The closest James Hunt ever came to saying how much he personally disliked Riccardo Patrese live on air. But James Hunt was his own man and the reason why he's missed is as if he said someone wasn't good enough he'd just say so.

    • @littleinkling4604
      @littleinkling4604 2 місяці тому +12

      And to that I say, bull shit.

    • @paulwalton7786
      @paulwalton7786 2 місяці тому +16

      @@littleinkling4604 - Good comeback. But F1 coverage without James Hunt and Murray Walker just isn't the same.

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris 2 місяці тому +6

      Patrese was blamed by a number of drivers for the accident that killed Ronnie Peterson at Monza. The drivers even managed to get a one race ban. I believe most of the drivers apologised to Patrese in the following g years but Hunt never did.

    • @alistairbartlett6569
      @alistairbartlett6569 2 місяці тому +8

      ​@@simonkevnorris Possibly because he knew deep down that he was more to blame for it than Ricardo.

    • @arendeepropertymaintenance
      @arendeepropertymaintenance 2 місяці тому +4

      We all know why Hunt hates Patrese, because of the Ronnie Petterson crash, but James felt he played no part in that accident, but others think differently.

  • @Normandie17
    @Normandie17 Місяць тому +1

    All I can say after watching the racing and listening to the commentary...god I miss this era of F1.

  • @StukaUK
    @StukaUK 2 місяці тому +15

    Hunt would be scathing towards Perez these days.

    • @AlanMcB
      @AlanMcB  2 місяці тому +12

      I was thinking Perez is a modern day Patrese aswell. lol

    • @theiceman7590
      @theiceman7590 2 місяці тому +7

      @@AlanMcB Patrese really did dominate Mansell in the first half of 1991 though. Cant see Perez ever challenging Max, he cant reliably turn up when Max cant win.

    • @liamgbooth
      @liamgbooth 2 місяці тому +5

      I think the beef goes further back between Hunt and Patrese.

    • @jonmoore176
      @jonmoore176 Місяць тому +2

      Also he wouldn't hold back about Daniel Ricciardo

    • @MattinhoGG
      @MattinhoGG Місяць тому +1

      Perez... Imagine what he'd say about Lance Stroll 😂

  • @liamgbooth
    @liamgbooth 2 місяці тому +5

    The bee in James Hunt's bonnet over Ricardo Patrese must be the size of a sumo wrestler 🤣

  • @rosumin38
    @rosumin38 Місяць тому +3

    James woke up and chose violence this Sunday afternoon in 1992.

  • @4637812648
    @4637812648 2 місяці тому +15

    People automatically say "well Hunt hated Patrese over Monza 78". But Hunt's criticism of Patrese here is logical. Patrese was miles off the pace of Mansell and lapping inconsistently too. After a strong 1991 season, his performances were very poor in 1992.

    • @ElectoneGuy
      @ElectoneGuy 2 місяці тому +12

      Patrese could not get used to the feeling of the active suspension. It was not suited to his driving style. The criticism was bullshit.

    • @4637812648
      @4637812648 2 місяці тому +2

      @@ElectoneGuy There isn't a driver in history who got excused for being slow due to the feel of the car. Many drivers drove active cars. And as Hunt pointed out, Patrese suddenly found pace when Senna appeared in his mirrors

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 Місяць тому +1

      Patrese to Mansell was like Bottas to Hamilton... a support driver!

    • @MrSkeleton131
      @MrSkeleton131 Місяць тому

      @@4637812648 maybe get the facts before you start spouting BS? Patrese was turning TC on and off throughout the race, hence the inconsistent lap times

  • @buckfaststradler4629
    @buckfaststradler4629 2 місяці тому +8

    Hunt wasn't right in the head when it came to Patrese.

    • @attan5127
      @attan5127 Місяць тому

      He wasn't right in the head in general.

  • @ryanstewart4444
    @ryanstewart4444 27 днів тому +1

    I just find it incredibly fun to listen to a commentary where Hunt consistently and openly hated Patrese. Right or wrong, that was his opinion and he was never afraid to express himself.
    Hunt's Hatred list. Patrese.........long gap........ Arnoux, De Crasheris, ??????

    • @LukeTansiongco
      @LukeTansiongco 22 дні тому

      Don't forget Jean Pierre-Jarier that one time

  • @CatchiestWorm12
    @CatchiestWorm12 Місяць тому +1

    That Williams keeps unbelievably stable. Active suspension at work.

  • @ElectoneGuy
    @ElectoneGuy 2 місяці тому +10

    I respect James Hunt, but his constant berating of Patrese was pathetic. He continued to hold a false grudge against Riccardo for the death of Ronnie Petersen, even though Patrese was exonerated of any wrong doing. Hunt also had eyes on Patrese's Williams seat as he tested the FW12 at Paul Ricard. Patrese got the last word when Hunt approached him at a Grand Prix and Riccardo nicely told him to "fuck off".

  • @albinobeach
    @albinobeach Місяць тому +2

    Beautiful track, great corners and elevation change.

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 Місяць тому

      Only used twice

    • @albinobeach
      @albinobeach Місяць тому +1

      @@kevinprior3549 I know, it's a pity. I heard they tried to make a race happen for 2025 but the owner got unreasonable so the FIA walked away

  • @theiceman7590
    @theiceman7590 2 місяці тому +14

    Patrese was trying he just disliked cars with active suspension. James was just being bitter as usual with Riccardo

    • @Alex_Booth
      @Alex_Booth 2 місяці тому +15

      Riccardo's Motorsport Magazine interview was interesting. He said in in '91 he had the advantage in the slow speed corners. Which helped as he outqualified Nigel in the first seven races. In '92 traction control took that away from him. Plus the active suspension as you mentioned wasn't to his liking. There was no power steering back then so the loads were tremendous and Nigel had superior upper body strength.
      James Hunt used every opportunity he could to criticise Patrese.

    • @alexlazebat839
      @alexlazebat839 2 місяці тому +3

      @@Alex_Booth i read a similar 1 that stated he was on top of all his teammates except 92, they tried to get him to drive the FW16 which was more like the FW14

    • @kekepiket9153
      @kekepiket9153 Місяць тому +2

      @@alexlazebat839 Him on top all his teammates . I think he lost to many teammates .

    • @alexlazebat839
      @alexlazebat839 Місяць тому +2

      @@kekepiket9153 yes just saying wat he said

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 Місяць тому +3

    To be fair Patrese could have easily pulled away from Senna in that Williams. And he wasn't the fastest driver in the world.
    But Hunt was very harsh on the Italian! I think Walker was getting a bit fed up with Hunt's moaning.

  • @vonPelger
    @vonPelger Місяць тому +1

    Now we know that actually the fluctuation in pace was because of Patrese turning the traction control on and off. On when Senna came to close and off after the Renault engineer comanded it for reliability reasons. Renault actually ordered that no traction control should be used during the race beacause they did not sort the vibration problems yet

  • @janiandelin93
    @janiandelin93 2 місяці тому +2

    Williams drivers were not allowed to use the traction control at the first GP of the year cause they thought that it would put too much strain on the engine and it would't last till the end. But Patrese still turned it on when Senna got too near. That's why Patrese's lap times fluctuated

  • @davidhayles9579
    @davidhayles9579 Місяць тому +2

    I loved James Hunt and Murray Walker, but Hunt allowed personal feelings to get in the way during this race. Hunt blamed Patrese for Peterson's crash when he should actually be looking at himself. Bernie Ecclestone asked Hunt to apologise to Patrese but he wouldn't...so Patrese tokd Hunt to f#&$ off. That was the last time they spoke.

  • @leemugleston6422
    @leemugleston6422 2 місяці тому +4

    Patrese was never more than a journeyman driver. Once Williams dropped him he went to Benneton and didn't last long there either.
    He was competitive with Mansell until Mansell realised what an amazing car was underneath him. Then he came alive and started to drive to his and the car's potential.

  • @TheSupermosiman
    @TheSupermosiman Місяць тому +4

    I was at Kyalami that day. Dullest motor race I ever saw (live or on TV) I don't think there was one overtaking manoeuvre.

    • @AlanMcB
      @AlanMcB  Місяць тому +6

      Murray and James could really make a dull race entertaining.

    • @JohnBall-cd4cg
      @JohnBall-cd4cg Місяць тому +1

      Don't forget that everything was better in the past though. Dull races only came into being since 2014. /sarcasm

  • @somebloke2238
    @somebloke2238 Місяць тому

    We've got to get Kyalami back on the calendar. It deserves a return more than any other track imo.

  • @chunder27
    @chunder27 Місяць тому +1

    This was some sort of glitch or system that Patrese did not like, this was the reason why his times were up and down, Mansell just ignored the issues and got on with it, Parese as was his temperament, just had a bossy and went much slower

  • @caprirosso3
    @caprirosso3 Місяць тому

    Such great footage. I loved those days. The cars were much more interesting. The drivers were much more interesting. The commentators were much more interesting. We didn't know it wouldn't last.
    David Croft is an embarrassment next to Hunt and Walker.
    Great mention for Herbert at the end. He had an awesome few seasons at Lotus 91-3 in the circumstances.

  • @edspencer2756
    @edspencer2756 Місяць тому +1

    0:03 "There is nothing wrong with his car, according to the team; he just seemed depressed about being fatter than Mansell." Makes the Arnoux 'bullshit' comment sound like ironic praise.

  • @EngiocGames
    @EngiocGames Місяць тому

    Patrese was a solid no.2 driver but never more than that. People often point out how easy it was for Mansell to win in 92 because the car was so superior to anything else and suggest anyone could have won, but Patrese proves that isn't true. If anyone could drive it and win, how come Patrese never managed to do it?
    I respected him as a solid no.2, but it still takes a top driver to make a top car win.

  • @danross8565
    @danross8565 Місяць тому +4

    I liked hunt but this was embarrassing the way he just kept going on and on about patrese

  • @parallaxview2143
    @parallaxview2143 Місяць тому

    Patrese lived rent free in Hunt's head for many a year which led to massive butthurt that no amount of talcum powder could remedy.

  • @motelghost477
    @motelghost477 Місяць тому +1

    I wish today's F1 were using these cars.

  • @parthlad
    @parthlad 2 місяці тому +13

    I dont think Ricardo deserved this kind of targeted criticism from Hunt who clearly held a strong personal dislike of Ricardo after the tragic events of Monza '78.
    If anything this commentary kind of puts Hunt in a bad light in my opinion and just shows a lack of professionalism on his part as a broadcaster and he comes off as a bit off a petty nonce.

    • @parallaxview2143
      @parallaxview2143 Місяць тому

      You mean petty ponce? Unless you know something I don't...

  • @jamestrimbee8278
    @jamestrimbee8278 Місяць тому

    I think it was Paddy Lowe that said this was Patrese occasionally switching on the traction control, which at that time the Renault engineers explicitly asked Williams not to do. And so Senna would gain, TC would come on, Renault people would flap, and off it would go again!

  • @TheRosycruxian
    @TheRosycruxian Місяць тому +3

    Hmmm…. Alcoholic, nicotine & sex addict. I like Master Hunt, however, the guy had issues…. It’s hard to hear this man expeess such pain. The same pain that he converted into abject determination to win…. Ahh, Life ::

  • @0SnakeDoctor
    @0SnakeDoctor 2 місяці тому +15

    It's interesting how Hunt forgot to mention that Gerhard Berger was 15 seconds behind his teammate Senna. Nary a whimper about that.
    Hunt was an incredible driver and champion, but he had a massive grudge against Patrese. I wonder what he'd say if he were alive about Verstappen lapping Hamilton at Imola a few years ago. Would it be the car or the driver then? Somehow I think the former.

    • @nathanwilliams2152
      @nathanwilliams2152 2 місяці тому +2

      It was a coincidence that in this race, Berger’s fuel pump was being overdriven, so the engine was consuming more fuel than it should have. If Berger pushed, he wouldn’t finish.

  • @hugoagogo9435
    @hugoagogo9435 Місяць тому

    Murray’s impression of patrese sounds more like patrese doing an impression of Murray

  • @Happy88Dude
    @Happy88Dude 2 місяці тому +15

    I get the feeling James Hunt didn’t like Riccardo Patrese whatsoever! 😂

    • @fboness368
      @fboness368 2 місяці тому +9

      He held a grudge against Patrese, who he felt was (partly) responsible for the death of Hunt's good friend Ronnie Peterson at the start of the 1978 Italian Grand Prix.

  • @TobiasBurns-jj3zl
    @TobiasBurns-jj3zl 15 днів тому

    It was the early traction control. Renault didn’t like them using it as it stressed the engine and increased the chance of failure particularly in these early iterations. Williams had it, McLaren didn’t. Senna would catch Patrese when Patrese was following Renault’s direction and leaving it off. When Senna caught him, he’d turn it on for a few laps and effortlessly pull away until the Renault engineers cottoned on and got a message to him to knock it off and save the engine. After which Senna would slowly reel him in again. Then repeat!

  • @mcrichton46
    @mcrichton46 Місяць тому +1

    A lot of Hunt’s disdain was personal, going back to his conviction that Patrese was largely at fault for the fatal crash of Ronnie Peterson, a close friend of Hunt’s, at Monza 1978. From what I understand he simply couldn’t get over that and it only further fuelled his nasty commentary attitude towards the Italian driver.

  • @sebparent3501
    @sebparent3501 Місяць тому

    0:18 Waving under braking zone. Incident between car 6 and car 1 noted.

  • @ivanpayn4059
    @ivanpayn4059 Місяць тому

    Just imagine what he would of said about Checo.

  • @christophernewman5027
    @christophernewman5027 Місяць тому +1

    Back when F1 was still interesting...

  • @simonbletsoe7059
    @simonbletsoe7059 Місяць тому

    Mansell was senior to Patrese. Way faster. Williams knew this. Blocking tactic.

  • @canaljn1994
    @canaljn1994 2 місяці тому +3

    Imagine Hunt about the radio that Fisichella received at the 2006 Australian GP where he was slower than Alonso by 2 seconds per lap and the engineer giving him this embarrassing information that this was not possible to encourage him to walk. Probably something like that; "and we see in his standard mode Fisichella with the best car at the moment on the grid, taking 2 seconds per lap from his teammate. I don't know how Renault has the patience to encourage such a slow driver and still want to stay with him for the next Grand Prix, after all, how many engineers will you need at the same time to encourage you to reach Alonso's times?"

  • @ianjarrett2724
    @ianjarrett2724 Місяць тому

    Mansell had a RENAULT crank with elf lubricants.

  • @MAte925
    @MAte925 Місяць тому +1

    Hunt always had something against Patrasi!

  • @VenusDoom891
    @VenusDoom891 2 місяці тому +6

    Berger was just as far behind Senna as Patrese was behind Mansell but nothing bad about him!

    • @AlanMcB
      @AlanMcB  2 місяці тому +7

      Murray and James did say that was more down to Senna's brilliance than anything.

    • @nathanwilliams2152
      @nathanwilliams2152 2 місяці тому +3

      @@AlanMcB- and Senna was indeed thoroughly better than Berger, with some exceptions. However, Berger was suffering from an over-consumption of fuel, maybe due to the fuel pump being overdriven. So if Gerhard pushed, he simply wouldn’t finish. He ran out of fuel on the last lap, and only just crossed the line

  • @interestedbelgian589
    @interestedbelgian589 Місяць тому

    They should have kept Boutsen.

  • @rodclark5831
    @rodclark5831 Місяць тому +1

    If James is right "I'm a China-man".

  • @hugoagogo9435
    @hugoagogo9435 2 місяці тому +12

    Hunt really was an a++hole towards patrasie

  • @seamusblack5876
    @seamusblack5876 Місяць тому

    The good old days haven't watched F1 since around 2010 have a quick look on UA-cam during race weekend but there is a very loud Commentator that does my head in so quickly move on

  • @filipposstavro1233
    @filipposstavro1233 Місяць тому

    Forgive me but isn't this 1991?

    • @FranciscoFJM
      @FranciscoFJM Місяць тому +1

      Nope, they didnt race in Kyalami in 1991

    • @filipposstavro1233
      @filipposstavro1233 Місяць тому

      @@FranciscoFJM Hmmm , Mclaren used the previous year's car in the first race of 1992?

    • @sabataskull9661
      @sabataskull9661 Місяць тому

      ​​​​@@filipposstavro1233 Yes, they had problems with the new car.
      Remember that in 1995 they made a car too little for Mansell. A typical mistake by overrated Ronny Dennis. He was lucky that he could steal honda from Williams, and Marlboro backing to buy champions like Prost or Senna.

  • @tsj3025
    @tsj3025 Місяць тому

    Should he not just have been Sunday driving the car round to a safe 2nd letting Mansell win? Why be sore on the car? He knew he could put the foot down if anyone (Senna) got close - and he did so..

  • @rnichol22
    @rnichol22 Місяць тому +1

    Hunt was pure scum. He caused his friend's death and blamed it on patrese as a way of dealing with it. Karma got him at least.

  • @mestubbs
    @mestubbs 2 місяці тому +4

    James Hunt was such an opinionated curmudgeon. 🙄

    • @martingonzalez2850
      @martingonzalez2850 Місяць тому +3

      As opposed to vanilla, beige, dull as dishwater people like Tom Clarkson in today's F1.

  • @brianrushford4057
    @brianrushford4057 Місяць тому +1

    I grew up listening to Hunt and Walker,I don’t miss either if I’m honest,Brundle and DC are the best commentators on F1 I’ve heard

    • @domformula1
      @domformula1 Місяць тому +5

      I on the other hand, miss them in every single session that is commentated on. ‘It’s lights out and away we go’ - hardly the stuff legends are made of. Croft in particular is just awful in my opinion.

    • @brianrushford4057
      @brianrushford4057 Місяць тому +1

      @@domformula1 Croft,in fact all of Sky can fuck off apart from Brundle

    • @8-bitsteve500
      @8-bitsteve500 Місяць тому +3

      Croft is unbearable.

  • @peekaboo1575
    @peekaboo1575 2 місяці тому +3

    Hunt is absolutely based.

  • @AndyHack10
    @AndyHack10 Місяць тому +4

    What a tool James Hunt was, one of the most overrated drivers and figures in motorsport.

  • @theblackwidowchronicles
    @theblackwidowchronicles Місяць тому

    Patrese was sh*t

  • @TerribleFire
    @TerribleFire 2 місяці тому +6

    Hunt was a legend. Patrese was useless.

    • @ElectoneGuy
      @ElectoneGuy 2 місяці тому +14

      When you win 6 grands prix, finish 2nd in a world championship (92) and 3rd behind only Prost and Senna (89) you are not useless. After Senna died, the first person Frank Williams called up to replace him was Riccardo.

    • @parthlad
      @parthlad 2 місяці тому +8

      @@ElectoneGuy not to mention continuing to hold the record in being in the top 10 for all time grand prix starts....over 30 years after he retired. Hunt, for all his merits and warts raced for just 6 years.