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Deadly Change Over! The incredible Story of One-Two-Go Airlines flight 269.
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
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00:00 - Intro
00:18 - One-Two-Go
03:06- The flight crew
04:25 - Offset ILS
05:42 - Getting underway
06:55 - Takeoff and cruise
10:36 - Descent towards Phuket International
13:20 - P.I.R.E.P.
16:09 - Low-level wind shear alert system (LLWAS)
19:22 - Go around
22:40 - Two hundred and sixty two feet
25:49 - Aftermath
29:27 - An important message
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i LIVED in Krabi province 8 1/2 yrs, in Koh Lanta
Looking for the blacklist 😊
No blacklist link :( we've been lied to!
MAKE ONE ABOUT AVIANCA 052!!!
Pls, what about the link to the list of blacklisted airlines?
As a person who works in regulation, I like to remind everyone in every industry; 'safety regulations are written in blood.' People aren't robots, they need rest. :(
Thank you April! So true
Yes must be new young into services because in only 4 hours rest person go nauseated........
As crafts become tired at long moves.
Its funny you should say this.... For many years I worked in the Railway/Railroad industry in positions of operational management first in the UK and later in the US.. The UK at least at the time I worked on it, was regulated in a very smilier way to the Airline industry. The US railways, via the FRA much closer to being self regulated. What was really interesting to me, while the rules on hours of service on paper weren't worlds apart their implementation, monitoring, governance and enforcement really couldn't have been more different given the rulings being as close as they seemed. That being said I personally will never travel on a train in the UK before noon on a Monday!
@@user-ud2ze9is5hit appears that you are not getting enough rest go laydown and come back later
When the controller asks your intentions after providing deteriorating ground conditions, he's basically saying "I cant tell you what do do, but I would wait".
Really?
Before you start acting all morally superior, remember who's actually the pilot(s) of the plane. It's not the air controller.
@aurelia8028 what part of "I can't tell you what do do" implies the controller is making the decision vs the pilot(s)??
I think both woman and tower control would benefit from speaking their mind rather than leaving things up to their partner and pilots, respectively.
@@Deses what
Many lessons here, but this one struck me the most: when the situation starts getting sketchy, don't hesitate to get out while you still can. The point of no return is likely closer than you think, so don't push it. In this case, it wasn't that you couldn't do a go-around at that last second, it was that the FO was unable to do it without panicking and messing it up, which he didn't account for.
100%! It's the slippery slope that turn crisis into disaster: the situation being critical generates stress, and the stress makes the situation more critical by provoking mistakes and error of judgement. So the best is obviously to think ahead of the stressful situation by taking appropriate steps while still calm and in control. But I guess it is easy to say and sometimes pretty hard to do...
I am only a sim pilot, but my most regretful / embarrassing time as a digital airplane boy was the epoch where I figured I just should try to land no matter my situation.
Was only able to become a better sim-pilot after accepting that great flying wasn't about sticking heroic landings but instead making sure you are never in the situation where you're trying to make such a landing.
I have recommended several times in my own company's CRM course that pilots subscribe to this channel. It could function perfectly as ongoing human factors awareness between the formal yearly courses. And because of your excellent narration and personable demeanour, much more watchable than many other CRM presentations. You are making aviation safer.
I left aviation last year, but I was pushing this channel on everyone I worked with for the same reason. I planned on working in one of his videos into the next CRM class I would give, but I left before I had the chance.
They will be too stubborn.
I appreciate that the investigations don't just stop at blaming the pilots but look hard at the human factors -- stress level, fatigue, etc.
Awesome eh? Something the whole world should do aswell
It is neccessary to find out problems. If you just blame the pilot, maybe revoke his license (if he survives), and then simply stop, it means that the real issue will just continue to be present. Then the result will often be that other pilots in similar situations will have a high risk of also running into similar - potentially fatal - trouble. It would drastically decrease the safety of air travel, probably to the point where it would just stop being a viable method of mass passenger transportation entirely. Proper investigations that aim to find the real problems instead of just looking for someone to blame are essential to a functional air traffic economy. At least that is what I think, but I have no experience with being a pilot or air traffic accident investigator or anything like that, so I could be wrong.
@@HippieInHeart Imagine if pilots were scolded for being a liability to their airline because they were less flexible about aviation laws
It’s the only sensible approach to fixing problems with such complex systems. The human being is part of the system but not the entirety of it, and like any part of a huge machine overstressing the humans involved is just as much a problem as overstressing a tire, or spar, or whatever else.
NASA’s taken the same approach and made human spaceflight unreasonably safe as a result, with the major disasters mirroring similar issues in the aviation industry (in one case administrative interference with safety recommendations from engineers who actually know wtf they’re talking about :/ ).
Humans make mistakes, and the best way to make sure we don’t make mistakes is designing-out as many chances we have to make them as possible.
Exactly! I wish we afforded the same sensible rest requirements for other professionals who hold our lives in their hands - doctors and nurses. Imagine how many lives would be saved!
As a passenger of this flight, this is the best description how it felt and what happened. Thanks for making a video of this. ❤️
holy shit.. how, as a pasenger did you feel inside the plane?
Thank you for your service.
As a passenger, how did you feel, as a passenger, as a passenger on this flight?
☝️ No sensationalism with MentourPilot: just the facts.
@@aaishwashere yeah, that'd be a nice thing to hear as a first hand account.
@@aaishwashere it went so fast that we did not understand what was happening and suddenly we hit the ground and blacked out for a few seconds. Woke up and the plane was imploding. The only thing that kept us in out seats was the seat belts. I was on row 25 just next to the emergency exit.
My wife and I had arrived into Bangkok from London around the same time as this accident. Back home news broke of a crash in Thailand and that people from our home town had been on the flight. My father in law rang me immediately fearing it was our flight. Sadly a young lad called Aaron Toland who lived not too far from us had died. RIP.
I'll never forget the Adam Air crash when the investigators asked the owners about their training program and they looked at each other like "what's a training program?" There are some airlines that we really need to scrutinize before getting on their planes. I have heard that China Airlines was one of the worst in the world at one time when it came to safety. But, they reached out to the US for help in implementing an intense safety and training program and, has since become a very safe airline.
Adam Air 574?
Also, one of the saddest things about this accident was that a lot of ppl survived the initial crash, but due to bad weather and other delays, they lost their lives by drowning by firefighter water or waiting for help in the rain that night. As a Thais, I really love your work and your Thai pronunciation was very good TBH.
That’s really sad… thanks for your kind words though.
Greetings from Bangkok!
Beats being run over by SFO “rescue trucks”. Maybe not.
@@naughtiusmaximus830 what's sfo?
No, the situation on that day is smoke (& fire) quickly overwhelm inside the cabin cause many passengers unable to find the exit. Survivors are those who can manage to rush out the aircraft by using a hole of the damaged aircraft's fuselage near the left wing.
@@NoNameAtAll2 San Francisco International AIrport. The "O' in SFO doesn't stand for anything. Airport abbreviations have to be three letters long, so to make "SF" into three letters, it was decided to add the last letter in "Francisco."
You sir, you need to be a college professor. Every topic is covered in smallest details and explained so that even the people who never saw a plane with their eyes can understand what has actually happened. Wish you all the best and keep up the good work.
Well, those skills are probably a fairly strong factor in explaining why he’s a line captain at Ryanair. Part of his job is training other pilots. Not sure if he trains baby first officers, senior first officers transitioning to captain or both though.
Helo dear Mentour you make great videos and I have learned many things from you, Thank you for such great videos.
There are many accidents just because of toga button. If I were an engineer, I would never design the system like this. When pilots manually apply full thrust, the engine should receive full power without interfering with other systems.
He’s a trainer for an airline and so perfect for that role
@@daniyk5746 Lol, I have questions about a couple design choices myself actually. In my case, I’m not entirely sure why the “radio transmit” and “intercom announcements” functions share a switch. I just can’t work it out.
It’s actually a question I posed to one of the Ryanair engineers as we worked in one of the cockpits on our respective tasks in the dead of the night shift, along with. “I’m not sure of the wisdom of that, I mean surely there are times when some unfortunate pilot ends up sending ATC messages to the pax through the intercom and pax messages on the ATC radio frequency?” The engineer looked at me, considered it for a moment and told me it’s more of a Boeing thing and he wasn’t sure why exactly. He then told me that i was correct, this does happen occasionally and when the latter happens, usually the other pilots on the same frequency roast him mercilessly for it. 😅 It reminded me of why I only use the radio when working on the ramp crews when it’s absolutely necessary.
But my guess for both questions is that it might be just a legacy feature from decades old technology that Boeing crams into their antiquated aircraft designs.
As someone who is currently doing a safety course for Engineering, I learn more here than in my course
Your videos are an integral part of every weekend of mine, or at the very least of a monday lunch break. Such quality content! I appreciate how you've been experimenting with the balance between cinematic simulator footage (SO well done, I'm amazed), schematics, stock footage and your own face cam. I love the ratio that you've arrived to in the last few videos. Your passion for your line of work translates through your expressiveness and gestures, it's very inspiring. Thank you for making youtube better!
Thank you for watching my videos and supporting! These types of messages always makes me happy! 💕
In each respective video, the level of detail you provide and the reiterations of important factors you present really help the viewer put all the pieces together and wrap their head around the total scenario. They serve to enhance the story as well. Your excellent videos are logical, engrossing and very well produced. Thank you for what you do.
That’s awesome to hear. Thank you
I'm not in aviation, but I'm a software engineer and I love system design/engineering, which is why I'm absolutely hooked on your fantastic videos. Keep on the good work!
I keep telling my colleagues that most of the safety issues we encounter in software engineering are known in other industries, who have decades-old programs and industry learning we could be borrowing from. But software engineers tend to believe that solutions they didn't invent aren't good enough for some reason.
There are always things that can be improved. I'm glad you pointed that out. As someone who is now studying software design, I enjoy hearing about other systems.
@@deriamis I don't think it's that; I think it's a lack of "safety culture", especially from management who give arbitrary deadlines for things to be finished, regardless of how long it would take to do properly. (Retired software engineer, here)
That's cool I'm a rocket scientist I love jet engines baby rockets.
Also a software engineer. I totally agree
The solar powered security sistem issue is hilarious. As we say in Spain: "rio por no llorar" (which more or less means "I laugh, but I might as well be crying")
You sound like my Spanish wife! 😂😂
And it was probably to save money, cant have overhead wires along a runway so they probably figured just use solar power rather than trenching .
Just normal sign of Homo Sapiens getting replaced by non-thinking Homo Urbanus:
When food starts growing in supermarket and getting it doesn't require any actual logical thinking, intelligence takes "nose dive at TOGA thrust".
Here in Finland "environmentalists" are pushing for solar and wind power as energy solution for the country...
While there's hardly any sun or even daylight for half the time of year when energy consumption is high and also the wind is usually very weak/non existent during the absolutely coldest weather!
Just for scale in late fall/early winter it's normal, if I forget how long ago I last saw the sun. And without snow on the ground thickly clouded day in December is just few hours of "lesser twilight".
@@filanfyretracker Which might be fine with enough battery capacity to last through nights and too-cloudy weather. ...Which I'm guessing this system didn't have.
Your great saying reminded me of both my mom's saying (which has helped me survive), "Sometimes if you can't laugh you'll cry"... and also of a saying in Arabic, from the inimitable Riverbend in her war blog Baghdad Burning: "If you knew, then that was a catastrophe… and if you didn't know, then the catastrophe is greater."
When I used to visit Thailand back in the mid 2000s, on one occasion I flew a return trip with this budget airline between Bangkok-Phuket. It was during the peak season period, February-March, so weather was stable. I do remember being concerned by the state of the aircraft and the rather bumpy landings enough to avoid flying with them again.
29:50 "...it is your duty to report any unsafe practices that you see"
this goes for EVERYONE. If you are at your job, school, event, family or social gathering, etc. If you see something that you *know* isn't right, then make it known to people that can help you. complacency with status quo isn't good enough
So thought edward snowdon.
@@opheliaelesse ? What a weird response. What, are you suggesting we shouldn't be vigilant and whistle blow because there might be adverse consequences? Because that would be some prime grade A cowardice
Sadly it is not always that simple. You frequently hear Petter (Mentor Pilot) talking about organisational culture, because sadly in some organisations standing up and doing the right thing can lead to retaliation - e.g. where the financial/reputational pressure related to the project over-running (/flight being delayed) because of a stoppage trumps the duty to safety; or where the manager worries that running a department where serious incidents are reported makes them look bad at their quarterly review meeting; etc.. Not everyone in is a position to risk that retaliation, and even when they do there is no guarantee that they will not simply be ignored and the issue swept under the carpet.
@@jh8522 that is very true, organizations need to change to listen more to their workers
You always have a choice and sometimes doing the right thing comes with a risk and that takes courage. As for snowden, I’m sure he knew what would happen to him but we are talking safety not leaking secret material 😊 Sometimes the way you raise an issue makes a difference, like offering a potential solution that allows your manager to look good in the process.
This is bizarre! I live on Phuket and only the other day I was thinking of asking you to consider making a video about this incident. I still can't forget it after all these years.
i visited phuket years ago on holiday gorgeous place
We hear how beautiful your island is, I hope to visit one fine day
Do you do visa runs or something? Was there about 7 times :)
No. I have lived here with my Thai family for the past 25 years. 😀
It most certainly is! Should you decide to visit, make sure you book between December and mid April, when there's less chance of it raining and swimming in the sea is safe.
My wife's classmate was one of the two swedish passengers that sadly didn't survived that day. I never really understood how things could go so wrong during that final approach, if they only had done one of all the things they did wrong in a different way, maybe the outcome had been another.
That's the very definition of an aircraft accident. It is almost always a chain of events that lead to an accident where, if any one of the links had been broken, the accident wouldn't have happened.
R.I.P 😢
God love her l feel for the familys from Carlisle Cumbria England ❤
I am a person who tried to be a pilot and did not pass medical examine. Thank you for giving us all this information. It helps us in knowing what to watch out for. You are a god sent to us. Do not stop doing this work.
I flew into Phuket a few days later and the sight of the wreckage was hugely shocking, knowing how many people had lost their lives. Such an avoidable tragedy and thankfully flying domestically in Thailand today is much safer 🤞
Very well covered. I live in Thailand and met a foreign pilot from the airline. He said it was shocking, pilots warned management of safety issues frequently as you highlighted. It was run by a real rogue businessman. They had the oldest passenger 747 in existence with leaking wing tanks which had caused engine fire but they never fixed them
If I had seen this I'd make them ride as the only passenger and get a top 10 captain give them a dukes of hazard ride while the plane fell apart. 1 ride would take their greed away if they lived thru it. And make safty a PRIORITY.
My favorite aviation channel. You and the team do amazing work, Petter!
We're all hooked to it!
Agreed 👌🏾💯
I'm not a pilot and have no idea what you're talking about most of the time, but I still find your channel fascinating. Thanks for the great work!
I am slowly but surely beginning to pick up the aviation lingo having watched so many of this amazing pilot's videos ...
This is such a good edit. 3 people were lost in that crash when the tail hit the shore wall and broke off. Miraculously the flight attendant that was shot out of the tail survived. Another passenger that was shot out of the tail was later ran over by a firetruck that came to the rescue but they were most likely already diseased. The first officer was not used to flying this particular plane and was uncomfortable doing so but didn’t express any of it.
The tower asks your intentions (in situations like this) because he’s not allowed to say, ‘OY, knobber, what do you think you are doing!?’.
Indeed. There are also things only pilots can ask for (e.g. Special VFR). Tower can hint it might be a good idea, but only the pilot can ask for it.
Lmao, that’s not always universally the case, but any decent pilot should reevaluate if ATC is trying to hint something. Even when ground handling there’s the occasional time when we think something similar. 😆
In this case, a 40 kt wind making a 30° angle with the runway, making a 20 kt crosswind. That's dangerous on its own.
Am I the only one who after watching aviation videos after a couple years that Mentour Pilot illustrates my knowledge amazingly well? Understanding ILS, missed approaches, holding patterns, weather conditions, visibility, types of planes (737 vs. A320 vs. MD planes), ATC, wind shear, stalls, engines (the mechanics of it after plane crash incidents), hardovers, explosions, decompression, fires, ditching a plane, glide path, glide scope, reverse engine thrust, loss of life, runway incidents, takeoff incidents, flight instruments, different type of flight instruments, fly by wire versus mechanical, fly by wire versus autopilot, Crew Management Resource, disorientation, hypoxia, confidence bias with pilots, hijackings, radar, pitot tubes, ETC. Illustrations put things into perspective for those who aren't pilots but have come to understand aviation generally speaking.
Not quite the same for me but Mentour Pilot did give me a good basic foundation in commercial aviation and basic understanding of how flight works in general, upon which sort of gave me the basic knowledge to learn more directly from reading reports and various materials at my own pace. But of course I have the advantage of working in ground crews at my local airport and if I become curious or want to learn something specific then I can just ask.
I fly first class a handful of times a year, and every time I can hear the aircraft computer yell MINIMUMS I think of these videos and smile. It's incredible how much we've learned from watching this gentleman's videos.. 👍
You must have meant Glide Slope. Glidescope would belong in health care, i.e. intensive care, emergency medicine or surgical services... :-)
Pretty much everything listed, that a random technically savvy non-aviation person should know, in a perfect world
@@ReneMacias1978 Lol I have the entertainment of listening to them testing the different alarms and things the aircraft yells at them from GPWS and TCAS systems when I’m cleaning the forward galley during a fast turnaround. Oddly it’s the overspeed clacker that I hear the most.
I do admit that occasionally I do get the impulse to grab one of the sounds from UA-cam, say the “terrain terrain, pull up, pull up WOOP WOOP” one, put it on maximum volume and stick it around the side of the security door since it often ends up being pushed almost shut so we can clean the forward lavatory, and observe the confusion that would ensue. 😈 😁 But then the impulse for mischief passes because the pilots would then probably kill me and I like living. 🤣😉
But yeah, working in the environment will find you inevitably absorbing many of the terms and abbreviations. Sometimes you don’t even realise it until you’re telling your friends about something funny that happened at work, and they have to stop you because you’ve just said something incomprehensible to them. Though that’s true for any field.
Hey Petter, I feel like you could tell a lot about different airports and what makes them easy or difficult for pilots. A lot of that knowledge/opinions seem to be kind of implicit in pilots, but are very surprising to other people (like me) while they play a huge role in many accidents
Hearing these technicals from a pilot is better than a mere AirCrash documentary.
Even though I doubt I'll ever be flying again (wheelchair bound and age), you are providing an invaluable service to all the flying public. You are a great communicator and I never feel as if you are "talking down" to your audience. Plus, I believe your videos keep airlines and flight crews even more conscious of their responsibilities. After all, we are putting our lives in their hands.Thank you.
He's convinced me to go only private jet--the excellent service distracts from pondering the flight.
Veterans confined to wheelchairs fly with me. As long as you can breathe in high altitude you should be able to fly. Ask the airline the specs and possibly fly again.
As a video editor myself I have to say: your videos are always beautifully edited, everything is so we'll organized and elegantly put together. Definitely one inspiration for me. Keep it up!
I've been a great fan of National Geographic's Air Crash Investigation. It's always been fun to watch them reconstruct the stories.
...until I stumbled upon this series...
Petter, your technical details and explanations of Pilot's routines and processes are truly unique. This is even more interesting than all of the big documentaries.
Thank you!
Awesome! That is exactly what we are trying to achieve! Thank you so much for your wonderful support!!
I used to watch Air Crash Investigation all the time as a kid with my mum. I'm going to recommend this channel to her and see if she likes it too
I’ve worked at an amusement park, which is very safety critical like in the aviation industry. In any industry involving people’s lives, safety has to be the absolute number 1 priority, everything else is secondary. When you start slacking, accidents happen. Communication is important (The Smiler accident at Alton Towers being a key example). It’s always really sad seeing time and time again incidents where safety isn’t prioritized, whether it be on a low or high level. When are people going to learn? Fascinating video as always!
Solar panels for bad weather… genius!
Yeah…
I really like the way you construct the narratives of these accident / incident videos! Very well explained even for those who don't have much kownledge about the industry.
That’s what we are trying to do! Thanks for your kind words.
@@MentourPilot "We"! Are there people helping you who deserve a bit of the credit? Or was that the 'royal' we? 😄 Great presentations - many thanks!
@@Peasmould we are a team of 6 people at the moment. Me and my graphic designer and editor Dominic are the ones working on the Mentour Pilot production.
I couldn’t do this without my team. 💕
1. That "Your controls" situation left me speechless
2. Good job with the music at the point when poop starts hitting the fan. That just gave me chills :D
I think I can speak for everyone I've ever known and say a pilot with a history of doing poorly under pressure is the LAST pilot I want flying me anywhere 😮.
Great video as always! I'm not a pilot or anything but these videos fascinate me! Maybe I have a little of that trait from my father. He was an airplane mechanic in the air force during Vietnam and loved showing my sister and I the planes he worked on while watching the History channel's "weekday wings" back in the 90s. Those bored me to tears when I was a teenager, however. I do remember his working on the old B-52's...and a lot of others I don't remember, lol
Listening to your father can plant more understanding and interest than you realise. You generally find that out later.
@@myparceltape1169 I believe it, entirely. We didn't always get along as adults but we were a lot alike personality wise
I basically yelled "no!" when he said the first officer just handed the controls over then. That seems like the worst time to do that.
Sounds like he wanted to transfer liability. Kinda of a dic move if you ask me.
lmao yea, popcorn piloting
@@zachv1942 It seemed to me that he was panicking a bit, and because he wasn't really sure what to do, he gave control to the more experienced captain in hopes that he could fix it. Like the more deadly version of giving the controller to an older sibling when you're struggling with a video game.
@@WhiteWolf-lm7gj it's still boils down to passing Liability.
@@zachv1942 Not in the way you're saying it, though. While the end result was the same, there is a significant difference between trying to hand a problem to someone who you believe is more capable at handling it, and intentionally trying to make it someone else's problem to avoid getting in trouble. It was absolutely the wrong decision, but I think we can spare a bit of empathy for everyone involved in this tragedy.
From watching these videos I get that when a controller asks "state your intentions" they are expecting a go-around, or it is a hint that a go-around may be wiser than attempting to land.
Not always, but it’s worth taking a moment to evaluate the situation, if you hear it.
@@MentourPilot ATC at JFK in NYC asked the Delta 1943 crew about their intentions too ;) after they had managed to abort the take off because of an unexpected crossing of a Boeing 777. AA 106 got a phone number. Rumour has it they did not call or did not get through, and that they only realized after the end of their planned flight (in London) how close that had been.
- I assume we will get the details of this Jan. 2023 incident after the report has been published.
@@franziskani The Preliminary Report is out now.
They can often make an entirely logical opinion because they're not on the plane.
@@nabirasch5169 "...because they're not on the plane" - That reminds me of George Carlin talking about airline announcements -- "Get on the plane! Get on the plane!" / "F you. I'm getting IN the plane. Let Evel Knievel got ON the plane. I'll be in here with you folks in uniform. There seems to be less wind in here."
Hi Peter! I found out a while ago that my son also watches your channel. He lives in Canada and I live in France, so it was quite the surprise when it was mentioned in a conversation. I thought I should support you in some way since we both love your videos, so I went to the shop and found the hoodie that says "This is how I roll". I found it hilarious so I ordered it and had it sent to him. The best part is that he's a pilot and lives on an air force base, so now everyone can get a laugh out of it when he wears it. Thanks for your incredible videos. I absolutely love them.
One two go only had four MD-80's in their fleet, I actually flew with them couple of times on MD-80 as a passenger, and I was in Phuket the day this crash happened , it was a terrible day
As a nervous flyer I enjoy watching these to see what new things have been done to make flying safer. Tbh I'll still be nervous as I have no control over the plane lol. But it's good to know how things have been fixed
That’s one of the main reasons I’m creating these videos. Im glad to hear it’s working!!
Megan I’m the same, which is why I always fly via Doha. I’m perfectly aware it’s irrational, but in my head I’m thinking they don’t drink and meticulous about safety. So even though it costs me more, I’m not really bothered, because otherwise I wouldn’t be be able to travel and run my business.
@@spizzenergi2292 you'll find many Western airlines are just as safe. The incidence of crash is extremely extremely rare. Let your sense of reason gain ascendancy , let it win out in the battle against your natural "impulse" to be afraid.
How to avoid accidents has been solved long ago:
Not taking shortcuts when it comes to anything related to safety and implementing things found to improve safety when those are found and not waiting until those are absolutely mandated.
There are literally airlines without serious accidents in over half the century.
I find that these videos make me feel more safe in a plane. You just have to understand that you need to stay off fly by night airlines and airlines with inexperienced pilots. The major air carries and their crews are extremely safety conscious.
Any pilot who wanted to make a report likely had nowhere to report to. The owner of Orient Thai was close to the King of Thailand, and Thailand's civil aviation oversight was extremely shabby until this accident made them clean up their act. No one would have done anything until there was a crash.
Orient Thai also never really cleaned up their act, getting sanctioned by the CAA of China in 2016, which likely contributed to them ceasing operations.
Thank you for that extra insight.
Power strongarming is very rampant in Asian countries. Not saying it doesn't exist anywhere else, but the amount of leverage authorities have over operational standards just because they have tie-ups is off the charts
Powerful allies of the owner allowed this to happen and they got away with it.
@The Companion Cube as we say here in Thailand. "When there is a tragedy those responsible get promoted"
@@thecompanioncube4211 Well, you'd be hard-pressed to find a country where something like this wasn't the case at some point. There was a reason why the FAA had to change its mission statement. Things only tend to improve if there's a lot of public or high-level attention, and it usually takes a flaming wreckage and a lot of dead bodies to get that attention.
Sir, you do an absolutely outstanding job with these discussions - so much so that I, a non-aviator, am pulled in immediately to each episode!
That said, the negligence, the casual attitudes, distractions, etc. are not only head-shaking, but reinforce my decision to stop flying commercially, many years ago. I've never regretted that decision: if I can't drive there, I don't go!
Came to say the same.
Thanks for hinting towards the blacklist. Watching the video, I got a slight chill since in 2014 we were on an inland flight in Thailand with a low-cost carrier. Spoiler, it wasn't this airline. My wife is my trusted and thorough expert for all things travel related - but in the future, I will use that link to double check
I flew this route with One Two Go on one occasion. The CEO must have had some sort of patronage high up in the Thai system because he was never held to account for the corruption, dying aged 66 in 2021. After this crash Mr Tantiprasonchai changed to his other brand Orient Thai and continued to operate until 2018 totally without recrimination. It's who you know I guess.
That is correct. A rogue businessman who flaunted the scrutiny of authorities through powerful connections. They were caught falsifying documentation during the investigation too
So crazy to hand over the controls at such a critical moment.
It was like "take this shit I can't handle this right now" at the most critical point possible
@@thecompanioncube4211 W/O TOGO button! You shouldn't be able to hand off in the midst of a procedure and the F/O should've seen the missed check list items from no TOGO to auto pilot still engaged.
@@dthomas9230 That error was history when they didn't perform a landing checklist.
total panic. never the answer to anything. also the PIC should've taken over the moment things started turning dicey.
yeah.. it was like "f*ck this.. it's yours now."
Thanks for mentioning the “black list”. Years ago I flew on two airlines that are on it now. The internet has made such inquiries much easier than it once was.
I love how every video breaks down the technical aspects of how things work and how each system plays a role in how events went down. This and Mentour Now playlists are my goto podcasts to and from work and out for walks. Pretty sure I’ve gone through the entirety of both playlist at this point.
It's interesting that the airline was even able to schedule their pilots against regulations; good software would have had triggers to prevent that. Which possibly means that they regularly falsified data as well. I'm a retired software engineer who worked for many years on aircraft and crew scheduling software, and the crew scheduling software had many, many rules in it to keep it compliant with both industry and airline policies. Including those intended to prevent fatigue.
Capitalism. The greedy big boys gotta make their money. Dead peasants are just a part of doing business.
It's a third world airline, what would you expect?
Cheap vacations have their costs in other ways, and that can include you loosing your life, that's why they are the third world.
I'd read about this accident but hadn't fully realised the sequence of events. It's especially sad that the final mistake sealing their fate was that rushed handing over of controls at such a critical point, with TOGA mode not engaged. They might have made it otherwise. And it's very upsetting to learn about the fire which probably killed many who survived the actual crash. How awful for everybody who lost someone in this accident.
Thank you for bringing attention to the black list, as a nervous flyer I am always worried I might inadvertedly fly a dodgy airline.
Your production keeps getting better and better, great work!
The “don’t sink” warning is actually quite (and rightly) terrifying. Sounds like a last ditch call from the aircraft to the pilots.
Maybe they should implement a warning that says "push palm toga button"!
Fantastic as always Petter. Kudos to you and your team for producing consistent, top quality content!
I just had a similar issue in Maui on the A321.. You have to always go around when one of the pilots is no longer comfortable. Period.
Hi Petter. Another very good video, as always. When I was flying as an airline Captain, I never allowed low time co-pilots with limited experience and skill to ever make approaches and landings or take-offs in the worst weather. The consequences in this video are a perfect demonstration of exactly why I did not allow them to fly in the conditions which required the highest level of skill. A 250 hour co-pilot can barely keep an airliner right side up in good weather, let alone in bad weather. There are numerous examples of the consequences of ignorance and lack of skill and experience causing fatal aircraft crashes. Have a great day!!!
I remember this when living in Thailand. I have a few friends who are pilots and I watch this channel all the time. When as a passenger you have a little knowledge you will be shocked at some of the things that go on with internal flights for certain carriers The carrier along with another low cost carrier was consistently bad and refused to respond to my concerns inflight. For example not getting passengers to follow instructions when the passenger was confrontational or totally unable to deal with drunk passengers drink their own vodka. Normally these front of house problems are just the top of a very big dangerous iceberg and are manifesting bigger corporate problems. When I challenged an issue with the ground staff in Bangkok I was handed a list of passages names and contact details so I could follow it up myself with head office. No wonder this fatal crash happened the writing was on the wall. Always challenge anything that is not 100% safe when flying. Their reaction and response tells you really quickly if they are safe to fly with. This example was not an accident it was an incident caused by incompetent pilots and bullying executives
Thank you so much for the info about reporting services. I've lost all hope when it comes to reporting FTL violations to local authorities, but just now you restored some of it. Not respecting rest time is one thing, but not taking reports seriously doubles the stress of the Crew.
I am a 27 year resident of Phuket. That accident was headline Thai news which I followed closely. I never knew the captain was Indonesian. News portrayed the captain as a mate of or the Orient Thai owner and captain was incompetent. The way it was told is the he relinquished control to the FO and caused the crash. Captain was to blame. Quite a more informative explanation by you. I used to fly 1 2 Go. but immediately after was called 1 2 crash.
As an engineer who has worked on airport systems, solar panels and battery is usually acceptable for this type of system but you need to design it properly based on the environment and location.
Phuket is my regular getaway for sanity breaks.... And I'm binge watching this channels videos ... I need to stop this addiction....
That’s a wild move on the FO’s part to unexpectedly hand over the controls at the start of a missed approach. I may only have a handful of hours under the foggles but that seems like just about the worst moment you could pick.
So, I’m not a pilot and never want to be, but the conclusion I reached was that the first officer did the first single thing I learned from this channel just under a year ago that no pilot should ever do. He panicked.
I’m not in the airline industry remotely but I love this channel so much. You make it so easy to understand complex topics. I’d love to hear you cover Alaska Airlines 261
Been dere, done dat, I believe.
Very much appreciated, Peter. I have had a few flying lessons (discovered I really don't like being up in the air) and love aviation in general. What I find fascinating is that there are so many parallel lessons to be learned in my own profession which is life-and-death related, technology/machine dependent, and in a very high stress rapidly changing workplace. Push one wrong button in moments of confusion and it is very easy to kill someone. The "Swiss Cheese" model always comes to mind. I'd like to use one or more of your videos for staff education.
I really love this channel, and how it explains incidents/accidents in a very precise way without being sensationalist. I’m a little bit of a nervous flyer and watching these videos actually make me feel better, because I can see what an airplane can endure (Turbulences don’t scare me as much anymore for exemple). I use to live in Tahiti where one day a Boeing ended up in the lagoon. I’ve never seen any documentary or real explanations on it, I’d love to watch a video on it if it is worthy of a video ! In any case, thank you for the videos and the work behind it !
Another great video. You and your team really do an awesome job in producing and presenting these interesting stories
I recently heard of a takeoff route coming out of Berlin-Brandenburg called “the vomit curve” where you basically have to immediately hit a steep right turn as soon as you come off the ground to comply with local laws about flying over residents. I’m sure I’m understanding it wrong but it would be an interesting Mentour now video maybe?
I'd love a video about unusual approaches and departures. The old Hong Kong approach might be gone, but there must be a few out there.
@@grahammartin6396 the person talking about it made it sound like the wing is damn near touching the ground on this departure route and id love to know if that’s true lol
Hello, fellow WTYPer.
@@ancientmaverick13 you got it lol hello!
This makes me appreciate Airbus' design even more. No more TOGA buttons to press. Just push the thrust to TOGA and A/T automatically disconnects and you're now in TOGA mode.
This was horrible, the whole crash due to a button (palm toga) not pushed. Airplanes should be far more automated.
Love your work! Far better then any air crash investigation show ever!
Thank you so much! My team and I are constantly working on tying to make better and better videos and support like this really helps!
Is this MSFS 2020??
i really appreciate these episodes with Accidents that are not commonly represented on other public channels. Most famous accidents have a couple of episodes on different channels in different formats, this is one of those among many others that needed an episode done. thanks for doing them...
Indeed, exactly!👍
This certainly sums up the details. I'm glad you produced these efficient thorough episodes. I surf around to other aviation channels and I still find yours to be well seated.
I'm not a pilot but with this episode I felt like I was in the cockpit too! Awesome!
That last part about pilots saying that it was an accident waiting to happen, reminds me of the LAPA accident (LAPA flight 3142). Enrique Piñeyro, one of their pilots, voiced his concerns about their lack of safety culture, but was shunned by the airline and by aviation authorities and resigned two months before the accident happened. A few years later he decided to produce, direct and play the main role in a film about it.
As always, fantastic analysis - the pilot insights are always valuable in forming a full picture of what happened.
Living in the DRC, my family and I have flown multiple blacklisted airlines many times. This is because going from Kinshasa to Lubumbashi which is a 2hr flight only included blacklisted flights. The only other way would have included going to Ethiopia and transiting or South Africa. Both of which would have costed a fortune and taken over 10 hours.
May you continue to be blessed with good fortune.
That's heartbreaking
@@mangos2888 yeah and my dad's about to fly that route in around 1 week.
Was also thinking if any one had ever accused the blacklisting authorities of being prejudiced against non-Westerners
@@lzh4950 nah most blacklisted airlines deserve it.
Good to know which airlines are being called out for unsafe practices. I’d love to see a piece on Aerosucre. It seems they have a complete disregard for anything safety related
Aerosucre is a Cargo-Airline, so no Passenger-Flights available. But in principle you´re right.
Not to fret. there's a huge random element. Digesting it all, I wouldn't be surprised if things were better if one of the pilots were a robot and, unless he /she knew exactly what was going on in an emerge, they just left the controls to the robot.
He did one a while back, if I recall correctly, before he started to cover passenger flight incidents.
The way you contrasted weather is a great idea. I haven’t seen it done very much on other channels of this genre and it surely increases the immersion of these stories
Love your videos! I’m a Captain for a major airline on the A320 and think your videos will undoubtedly help industry professionals. Today’s pilot pipeline has dramatically reduced experience in the flight deck, which is not their fault, and helping them overcome issues we normally work out through experience in an expedited way. Thank you for your commitment to aviation safety, I would love to meet you one day. Mark Hackett
When you mention another flight by Orient Thai airlines, you show a graphic of a Thai Airways aircraft. Orient Thai is actually an associate company of One Two Go. Thai Airways is totally different. Brilliant explanation of the crash though. Before this I was under the impression it skidded off the runway and had no idea about the failed go around. Your explanation is easily understood and well presented.
Petter, I must say that you and the crew's hard work is seen in every video! Keep up the great work!
This channel helped me so much with my fear of flying - it really helped me to learn about how many safety systems are in place other than just the pilot at the controls
it's crazy how a pilot cant work more than like 80 hours a month yet as an aircraft mechanic Ive worked over 100 hours in a single week to get planes flying.
Would you consider doing Yeti airlines flight 691? I began watching your videos after mistakenly watching a video a passenger took during the incident. Your videos have been outstanding. Thank you for making aviation so accessible and educational
0:37 that number refers to the entire MD-80 series (all types - -80, -82, -83, -87, -88) production. There were about 570 type MD-82 produced. Aside from that small thing, great job!
I swear I start these videos just waiting for "but, it was too late". If I learn anything from these studies its that delay, hesitation and confusion are responsible for most tragedies.
Oh my word. What a tragedy .such a sad situation . Hoping lessons were learnt and this won't happen again. So sad for the helpless innocent passengers and their loved ones but also for the crew who perished. Hope people were punished for their wickedness. Thanks for such a beautiful and articulate explanation . Blessings all the way from Nairobi
"Willful neglect", those are strong but accurate words.
It struck me too.
There has never been a dull video on this channel. This is one of the best channels I follow.
Would be interesting to hear of any scary situations you have personally witnessed or been involved with (due to equipment failure, weather, etc). Great job! Love the videos!
Just wanting to say that the aviation videos you create are both educational and intensely interesting. Thank you for creating them. I've become a Mentour Pilot UA-cam addict.
Petter releasing this video while he's actually in Ao Nang, Thailand. He's not lying about loving that area!
Correct! The videos show in this story, was taken this week.
@@MentourPilot i assume you're on holiday? hope you have a good break!
Dunno if I agree. It's gorgeous but overrun with Brits and Israelis.
@Nabi Rasch plenty of Russians and Indians too
@@AreeyaKKC basically all the rudest peeps in the world in one of the most welcoming countries in the world. Maybe they should stop that.
Your voice and style of explaining is very charming Mr Peter. At night, I usually go to sleep listening to your videos, and when i get up in the morning, the first thing i do is watch the complete video again😄
I wish more people did that 💕😂
Agreed!
Doing this right now!
I'm not a pilot, or work in aviation industry, but I have watched dozen of your videos. Just incredible!
I'm flabbergasted learning that there are potential blacklisted companies still authorised to fly and carrying passengers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the aviation authorities responsibility to stop them from risking other people's lives, not us passengers checking blacklists.
The level of professionalism has increased even more during the last year or so, Petter and crew!
One can tell that you feel even more confident than before. You truly produce high end videos.
Respect and thank you!
Not even an aviator but using the rules found in aviation for other business is a simple way to stand out in a good way
Sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
I'm only going to say this because you mentioned it but the beaches in south-east Asia and the Caribbean are my favorite in the world. It is really hard to pick a specific beach or specific country. White sand is brilliant but black sand contrasts so much against the water and all of the undersea plants and creatures seem even brighter when the light is right. Dang it I'm spending this summer in the mountains!😅
Respect to EASA for being so damn strict when it comes to air safety. Even though the airline wouldn't have flown in EU airspace, EASA banned the airline anyway. This accident also reaffirms the saying "Regulations are written in blood".
I'm with you on the 'not a good idea to have bad weather warning systems run on solar power' issue. As part of an integrated system, sure, but you could easily generate the amount of power needed to operate the system to detect wind with, say a small WIND turbine...
*In fact, I'd say we're probably close to actually being able to use some smaller turbines AS the anemometers as well. The small, vertical, nearly friction-free ones that still spin in very low amounts of wind.
Next idea.. Create a drought detection system powered by hydro.
That thing about crew rest times being non-negotiable the world over had an effect on the story of Gander, NFLD, Canada on 9/11. The very small number of limited hotel rooms in town were reserved only for the airline crews, and the hotel rooms weren't doubled-up to fit more. This wasn't elitism, it was to comply with crew rest regulations. If the crew had to live in the same rough accomodations the passengers had, it would have been illegal for them to fly out again. The planes would have been stranded until other fresh pilots could be flown in. To prevent stingy airlines from skimping on crew overnight accomodations, there are rules in place that the crew *must* be housed in proper hotels, not a cot on a gym floor.
Hope you've seen "Come From Away"! It's all about this time in Gander. Crazy, I know, but I've seen hundreds of musicals and this truly is the best musical ever. The tempo and the insights into so much of life are fantastic. I've never seen such an instant and universal standing ovation at the end of any show.
Capt. Mentour is one of the finest mentors and video creators on UA-cam today. I always learn something new and interesting despite being an old dog. Thank you.