The housekeeper may have been cleared..but not her circle of associates...who were not questioned or even on the radar of this incredibly naive police department
So much more information about this case than I’ve ever heard before. Thank you for investigating this more than any other news source I’ve ever watched. I hope this case is solved soon.
Is it possible the perp wrote the note well in advance, planning the crime, waiting in the home for the family, then got carried away with JB and killed her?
This analysis is the most riveting I have listened to regarding this case, and it is so well done! I will definitely tune in for the rest. It is awful how this all played out and how the investigation was so shredded by incompetence.
I agree with you. Chris did a fantastic job reading the police report. So much in this report I had never heard. I did not know that The Ramseys story was when they got home John Ramsey read to the kids. And the fact that John Ramsey wasn't glued to the phone from 8 am to 10 am waiting for the kidnappers call.
There is no way around the ransom note being authored INSIDE the house. A true kidnapper would want in and out of the house, not sit and write practice notes knowing he/she could be discovered at any moment. It is disturbing law enforcement does not recognize the facts. No one will ever truly know what happened in that house now except 2 people, and they aren't talking about the facts.
That really isn’t a garrote. It is really a slip knot or noose (like a dog choke collar) with a makeshift handle made out of the paintbrush handle. The cord on the wrists were tied loose which looks more like staging.
Yeah, I think it's possible that the ligature was tightened 4 times because the person using it was trying to end JB's life and it took 4 times for them to do it. I haven't really heard anything to indicate that she was awake and resisting the attack. There are marks on her neck that some say are fingernail marks but was any of JonBenet's skin actually found under her fingernails?
@lolajoker Anything used to strangle a person with a rope, cord, string is called a garrote, its called a garroting, its in the dictionary. We all know that it was a paintbrush and cord that was used and possibly the person wasn't thinking garrote when it was made. Was it made for the purpose it was used for, we don't know. BR had a toy plane which needed something similar to the paintbrush and cord ensemble to fly it. I never thought of the dog choke collar idea though. There are so many directions you could go in this case
Unfortunately, you are taking everything that they say is gospel. you're saying they only had 10 minutes to do all this stuff from the time She got up till the time they made the call. But the majority of people believe Patsy never went to bed because she was wearing the same clothing, still had her makeup on still had her hair done. So they staged the scene long before they finally said.Okay let's call the cops. Also I believe John was just shaking his head and one of the. Reasons He was so antsy because he couldn't believe the police had not found her. So finally he had to find her, or she never would have been found in my opinion
@rubymangrum4817 I don't believe he would have waited 7 hours to 'find JB' PR would have looked at least dishevelled if she had done all of this. I also don't think he is taking everything they say as gospel, he is looking closely at statements made.
@@calgal5752 Yeah, I was imagining kids playing hide and seek, an over-ambitious housekeeper, or planning a storage space for model railroad supplies and storage, etc. But if the father actually ''did it'' it sure must have eaten away at his nerves.
I never understood why they let their son sleep instead of getting him up to look for her. SON would know all hide and seek spots and other play areas.
Their own actions and words are against the intruder theory. For example: John claimed in a recent interview they didn’t even ask Burke if he heard sg that night. “If he knew anything, it would not be something he thought was important,” “Burke would have said something.”
As a mother myself, if heaven forbid, my child was abducted from her bedroom, I'd want my other child right by my side. I wouldn't have my other child alone upstairs in the bedroom, where a "kidnapping" had just taken place.
Thank you for this. I truly appreciate the informative approach rather than passing judgement and making accusations. I want to see the evidence and you have it.
Chris, this was a tremendous discussion of the facts in this case Much needed and I’m so grateful for your time, Chris. Thank you for your professionalism and objectivity. This is the best channel, by far, for the truth!
I’m glad you’re still keeping this case alive. There’s no excuse for Boulder to keep this case. They need to turn it over. The only reason to keep it at this point is a cover up
Patsy’s story changed from what she told French to what she later said in interviews and in their book. She told French that she checked her room before finding the note. Then later her story was that she found the letter and then ran up and found her not in her room.
@ There are interviews where Patsy says different scenarios of how she found the letter and checked on Jon Benet. Their stories have never been consistent.
It's mind boggling to me, that everyone in the house wasn't ordered to leave immediately. The house is a crime scene! I'm not in law enforcement, but this is just common sense to me
Yes. Who would even invite friends over to a ceime scene to ruin evidence, to loose the chance to find fingerprints, footprints in the house? None of the friends thought they will misplace or destroy evidence? Apperently officers weren’t worried about that either. Strange.
@ It is a possibility. I do understand the emotional support part, but you cannot risk the police loosing important evidence due to friends making breakfast in the kitchen. The friends for sure did not mean to contaminate the scene, it is just surprising not one person thought of that.
But it's the officers fault for not securing the scene. It's not the families responsibility to secure the scene, it's the officers responsibility.@user-wj4yo8vp3o
Friends could have inadvertently carried things out of the house - like when Burke was sent off with a friend. I would assume that they packed him an overnight bag and sent along some of his favorite toys. A roll of black duct tape could have been dropped under the seat in a friend's car. With all of those people coming in and out of the house it stands to reason that evidence could have been coming in and out, too. I would be interested to know what the phone records were and whether 911 was the first call made that morning.
After listening now, my suspicions fall on the housekeeper and possibly her husband. She has access to the house, she knows which room was Jon Benet's. She may have given Jon benet the pineapple. She may have been writing the letter for a long time, and heard john and patsy talking about his bonus he was going to get. What do you know about her husband, could it have been his dna on Jon benet? 
Also, just a thought, were any of their suspects proficient in tying that particular knot used on the garrote [sic]? If the photo is accurate, that knot winding around the paint brush handle was meticulously done.
The housekeeper's husband, MP, died on Feb 17th, 2018. As far as I know, his DNA and handwriting samples was never collected, only his fingerprints. His wife provided everything, however. He knew the layout of the house, and he knew the Ramseys. He helped carry Christmas decorations up from the basement. Also, he knew about the broken basement window because the Ramseys asked him to fix it, but he never did. His wife who was the housekeeper could have easily told him about John's $118,000 bonus. He could have even borrowed his wife's key instead of entering the basement window. Also, his wife admitted to taking home pens and pads of paper from the Ramsey home. MP could have either written that long note in his own home or in the Ramsey home while they were away at the Christmas party. He could have been jealous of the Ramsey's wealth and success and determined to destroy their lives. I have a vivid image in my mind of his wife telling him"Oh it must be nice to get a $118,000 work bonus" while rolling her eyes in jealousy while she's forced to wear hand me down shoes from Patsy and beg Patsy for a loan and her husband has to do handyman odd jobs for the Ramseys just to make ends meet. THINK ABOUT IT!!!
The officer said that they were looking specifically for entry/exit points that an intruder could enter and later exit carrying a small child and since the wine room was a windowless interior room and the door was stuck and not opening the investigator didn't force it. Turns out that there was a latch towards the top of the door that the investigator didn't see which is why John was later able to go downstairs, unlatch the door and find JonBenet.
Thank you, Chris, for your thoroughness on this case. Years ago i thought one of the family members did it, but i haven't thought that in quite a while. The garrote is key.
I saw a documentary where the underwear JonBen`et was wearing were not originally hers but way too big a size 12. She had been at her cousins house and the cousin had received them as a gift and JonBen`t had loved them and wanted them so the cousin gave them to her. It was stated that they were not what she was wearing when carried up asleep upon arriving home and put to bed. I also found this unusual as they reported she was asleep and carried up and put to bed and later John Ramsey reports he read to both children before ticking them into bed ???
As I was listening to how John described waking and walking Burke to the neighbors my thought can you imagine letting your child out of site when their are kidnappers out there and also putting your neighbors in mortal danger, if I were their neighbor and I was told what was happening there would be no way I would accept that kind of responsibility and I would be astonished that they could let their child out of site like that and how scared the child would be!
How sad you are so full of fear you wouldnt even take in that poor child and protect him? I certainly would. The so called kidnapper hid in darkness they wouldnt be out fighting neighbors to steal kids in broad daylight and if they did they would be caught
I have learned so much from Chris and his team, over the last few years. Not merely about the crimes, but rather about the critical thinking it takes to break down details, situations, and hypotheticals. I am a better thinker thanks to TIR. My mind continues to be blown. Thank you ❤
Thr lack of fingerprints are very telling. You know that she had to have picked up that ransom note to read it . Or at the very least she would have had to step on in it to get down the stairs. No finger print no foot print.
The latch on the top of the wine cellar door was not obvious how to unlatch. It was a homemade piece of wood that you turn to let the door open. That’s probably why he didn’t try to open it. Fleet White did open it but couldn’t see anything because it was too dark and he couldn’t find the light yet, when John found her, he saw her before turning on the light as witnessed by Fleet White.
Liking and leaving a comment, as always, as I really appreciate you and your work, agreeing or not with your conclusions on this particular case. Thank you ❤
In my memory I seem to recall the housekeeper had her Brother in law help move Christmas decorations from that room for Patsy. Does anyone else remember that? This might have been the year before.?
That housekeeper also testified to the grand jury as to why she thought the Ramsay's did it. I always wondered about her. She would have written that Mr and Mrs page before writing the ransom document. She has access to paperwork where she would know financials. She would know the house inside out and Jon Benet would have been quiet and went with her out of her room. Maybe even stopped in the kitchen with her to calm her and give her pineapple. That house keeper would know about the broken window. I feel she had someone to with her and it turned bad in some way. I could see the housekeeper being jealous of the little girl and the mother and easily getting away with it especially working with cops and testifying. IMO the housekeeper has motive, access and could hate on this family easily and convince someone to carry out a kidnapping. She would know what stairs the mother went down in the morning...to me, that house keeper is the key to this case. She may have had a family member out of jail or a desperate criminal friend. Done.
@janootie184life8 I agree and have always thought the housekeeper is the answer, along with Michael Helgoth. He had wolf dogs and the fur from this breed of dog was found on JonBenet.
Hi, wow, I can’t wait to watch this. I was living in Atlanta when it happened, it was so sad & way too close since her family was in Atlanta. Thank you Chris.
You can’t dismiss the John and Patsy by saying they only had from 5:45 to 5:55 to write the ransom letter. They would have obviously never went to bed and so had all night to stage the kidnapping.
Patsy was in the same clothes and her side of the bed wasn't slept in. He talks in the beginning about not missing obvious things. This was disappointing
I look forward to these sessions and talking through the evidence with a real professional that cares about justice. You are so amazing Chris and Karen is the cherry on top ❤ just love you guys so much thank you for being here for us
As a nurse and manager of a facility that , in part , answers to the state - thorough and accurate documentation is of upmost importance. I see, in the first paragraph a statement that needed a follow up qualifying explanation as to how the writer deduced this: " There was no apparent forced entry into the residence." This needs an immediate next sentence as to how she came about this information ie: due to a personal inspection of each and every means of entry or by some other means such as per ....'s statement [ see _______'s name, badge number or some other identifier ]. I don't want to read further into this report bc it will be too draining. Ty for the work that you do and the education, for those of us wanting to know, that you and Dr Brucato bring to the table.
Ditto! 🎉 Not to forget "no forced entry" is NOT indicative of "no intruder". (Not necessarily ... and LE /Detectives would know this even if no one else inside thought of.) Detectives needed to know ow how EVERY door locked. From outside? Inside? Key only - which side(s) - both sides or only one side permanent if key can be used from both sides? AKA - turning the handle only from inside may unlock "some doors" - inner to outer; but not vice versa. (Were the doors or were the doors not locked?) There's been statements... "one door" in back of home found unlocked ... eventually. (Maybe footsteps? Or, easily covered over by snow.) In addition another detective has commented it is rare that entry and exit points are the same. Oh?! 😮 Okay, now Detective CMcD said a basement/garage door was "locked" from the inside in an unusual way ... so officer ignored checking into further. CM is correct. That door may have been locked 'after the fact' or perhaps handle or lock touched ... had door been unlocked (earlier) and a point of entry BUT, NOT the exit (and then locked ... to confuse a crime scene OR to simply stop others from using from outside to inside ... possible even to hide the body longer). Or, door locked the entire time. But, that would have been a 'presumption' only by random officer that morning. Would the/an intruder have "tried" THAT door - to exit only. So, close to JBR's body and leads to garage. Maybe. Touched handle or lock? (Finger prints?) But, perhaps changed their mind ... because no way to RE-LOCK if used for exit? Decides to use another door. Will never know. Would/Could the Ramsey's know right away and tell LE. And, JBR's body is ... near that door. Thus, an intruder may use a different door to leave/exit ... REGARDLESS if that garage door was or was not point of entry. (Relocks instead? Leaves locked? Maybe. Possible.) And, then ... supposedly a different door was discovered "unlocked". Entry? Exit? Never used? Used? How does "THIS" specific door lock? Inside only? Outside only? Both? Multiple ways? Dead bolt? Push button inside (or inside handle twist/push in)? Both? Were both or only method used? Known or an unknown? *Were any house keys missing from the home?* There's been a deceased child/person discovered. (Or, in position of anyone.) And, whom? But, no ... guessing or assuming.
@margaretlee-reed814 There were keys unaccounted for. I also believe that there was a door open which was recorded in a police report, don't know this for sure though
There seems to be an obvious communication break down between Detectives and parent(s) when being asked about ... "What was JBR (last?) wearing"? When asking John ... he could have interpreted that as last "normal" clothing before put to bed? Were police asking John about potential stalkers watching JBR or understandably planning to interview people at the Christmas party? John may have easily thought "clothing" meant her last outfit worn ... before changing for bed. Or, John may have easily been stressed and confused what JBR wore the last 2 nights to bed. What nightgown did JBR where CHRUSTMAS morning? (Tired that night after a Christmas party then alleged late bedtime story ... peehaps John didn't pay attention or remember or answered both ways or wasn't sure ... foggy but, sure one or the other ... if not describing what was (last) worn to a Christmas party and then to bed.) Difficult to hear "commas" et al when asking & writing. In fact one can't. Context of answer(s) could be wrong in the police report. (But, content could be the same.) Same for Patsy. "What was JBR (last) wearing"? Okay, when? Was that clarified for Patsy? Context please. And, if her child was "kidnapped" ... she wouldn't know-know ... the last-last clothing JBR was DEFINATELY wearing. Patsy didn't witness the kidnapping ... she hasn't inventoried JBR's clothing since that 911 call. She doesn't know. She can guess the context of the question - correctly or incorrectly. AKA ... was the officer talking about the Christmas party or what JBR wore to bed?
Hi Chris, with the presence of a ransom note the house shouldn't be treated as a crime scene? The responding officer should of rumaged through the house upon arrival? I mean its not like they just couldn't find Johnbenet. There was a ransom note
i've watched a lot of videos on JonBenet, but yours is different. I like the fact that you're experienced, and are walking us through this slowly. I keep thinking about the man across the street who I've heard (from other videos) that he was keeping the Ramsey dog (even on a permanent basis?). Someone reported that JonBenet would go see her (former) dog at his house. I don't know if this neighbor has been cleared of any suspicion, but he's a person of interest (at this time) in my mind! Do you know?
The info that you are referring to about DNA is incorrect… there is trace DNA that is unknown but that doesn’t mean that it necessarily belongs to whoever murdered her. So her family cannot be eliminated by DNA alone. Some family members and others have been eliminated because of alibi’s. I do agree that the nature of the crime probably does eliminate Burke.1:15:32
31:45 The immediate photographing and fingerprinting was a good first step, but should never have been done with outsiders present in the home. The time stamp says this took place less than an hour from the initial arrival of the officer. It is pretty telling, though, that it took *more than two hours* for the detectives called in on the case (Arndt and Patterson) to arrive on scene-and still at that point JonBenét’s lifeless body had not yet been discovered. Detective Arndt has gotten a lot of criticism for her handling of the case, but it appears that the responding officer mishandled it right off the bat.
38:11 When the officer says he was “concerned” with getting information from the Ramseys, the substitute word that comes to mind is “preoccupied.” I don’t think the officer means to imply that the Ramseys weren’t forthcoming, but it does seem like here is another choice of words that almost attempts to explain or excuse not searching more thoroughly for JonBenét.
Interesting that the police officers notes don’t match what Patsy said in interviews. She said after she woke up on the morning of the 26th, she walked down the stairs and found the ransom note AND then ran upstairs into JonBenette’s room, found her missing, and screamed for her husband.
Please, please, PLEASE could we stop referring to any human with male DNA as a gentleman??? I have heard every type of criminal and creep described this way because people are in the habit of using that word casually to describe any male. A rapist or child molester is NOT a “gentleman” !!!! Just sayin’ .
Wow, that initial report... eye opening. Sounds like the officer that was LATE already had her mind made up. Definitely not open minded or seemed to give a poo. Just my outsider opinion with an open mind. Thanks for going over this, your time is much appreciated! :-)
Very interesting analysis! This adds a completely different dimension to the case that I've never seen. Thank you thank you thank you I can't wait for tomorrow.
Phone numbers then were normally posted on the landline phone. They also may have been listed in the phone book. Phones and numbers were very different in 1996.
One thing is making me think about the note and this sad case 😢 so if an intruder go in from the window the intruder could have being in the house hours ? Days before this would give them so much time to plan this… the more I learn about the way this happened the more I think it was an intruder. Do we know if the guy who was writing to his old school friend from prison. Had he been caught breaking and entering homes and hiding out in them ?
Interesting that the investigator noted about the house: "although somewhat messy due to the season the residence did not look out of order". Is that the same thing as saying that the house was a mess but did not appear to be ransacked?
Maybe just that there was wrapping paper all about and dishes not washed due to it being Christmas, unwrapping gifts from Santa and then they went out to other get togethers. Maybe they had no time to do so, or Mrs. Ramsey didn't do cleaning. Wasn't the cleaning lady supposed to come and get that $$$ after they left for Michigan on that same day? I would think if she is coming for 2K, she would clean the home for sure.
the housekeeper regularly came twice a week (that's a lot imo - even for folks who have a housekeper). Housekeeper had remarked about how careless/messy the kids were. So I definitely believe the house was trashed.
Chris, I love this deep dive in Jonbenet’s case. I am learning so much from these episodes, thank you for this gift. I do have to say, there are times that I know you say things in all seriousness, and as much as this case has troubled me since it happened, comments about the undressed”life size barbie doll”, and putting things in the “broken chip pile”, made me chuckle. ❤
Why would they call the cops when the note said not to call? Should have at least waited until 10am and it's pretty strange the family search the entire house except for the room that she was ultimately found in
Hi Chris, no disrespect here but the note is crucial. It worked until 1pm. Everything that the perp used was from the house. Poor little Jonbonet was SA'd with a broken paint brush not a male organ. The underwear she was wearing were originally a gift Patsy had bought for her niece, so who knows who handled them before. If she hadn't such a severe almost fatal blow to the head I'd be more inclined to believe you, but if Jonbonet was a victim of previous SA, and a horrific accident happened that night, they couldnt call an ambulance for obvious reasons, I truly feel it was staged to look like an sa crime, if they thought she was a goner with the head trauma... Dont forget she had eaten pineapple shortly before her demise Chris, the case stinks😢 Ringing all the friends and cops after being threatened that your little would be taken out if you did alarms me too. Great show though🤗
@@TheInterviewRoom It's been out there for a while Chris, I can't remember where I heard that to be honest with you, I'll have to go digging again, this case haunts a lot of us mothers, and fathers too of course. I'd also like to point out to you that both JonBonet and burke were bedwetters, me and my late brother were sa'd at a very young age by a family friend and we both had that issue with bedwetting too, it's difficult to talk about, but from my own personal experiences, it's either a family member or someone very close to the family. Burke had very alarming behaviours too, smearing feces on Jonbenets toys, that's not normal. A scream was heard too Chris, by a neighbour, I think she got a belt of a bat or something like it and she couldn't be woken, assuming she was mortally wounded it was staged to look like a pedo attack first, and then as an afterthought in the moment ,a kidnapping so the search would be outside the home. Somebody clearly had a very vivid imagination in regards to the actual crime and the note, and it worked. Love your thoughts though. I truly want you to convince me otherwise.
@@TheInterviewRoom hi, chris. both dr cyril wecht and dr robert kirschner felt there was clear evidence of the abuse of jonbenet, cited in ann louise bardach’s intriguing, extensive and well~researched vanity fair article entitled “missing innocence”, published in october of 1997. ‘definitely recommend reading this thorough article.
@@dannionadulldayExactly. That’s what I came here to state. Cyril Wecht, Internationally renowned Forensic Pathologist made a pretty compelling case of his observations of the autopsy. Others have verified that information as well. Some have even offered that the Pediatrician was a close family friend of the Ramsays. 🤷🏻♀️ As a young child JonBenet had quite a few appointments with her doctor, but that could have been for anything. Maybe UTIs if she was a constant bred wetter.
NEW YEARS hang out was wonderful ❤ Thank you Chris xxx Dr Garry has an amazing collection and he certainly is fun. You complement each other so well ❤❤
Linda's account and observations, especially of the father, should have been taken seriously. Rather, some choose to make fun or ignore the first-hand accounts.
She was angry that they named her as a suspect, truth is as a parent I would have told them everyone's name who I knew or suspected, if they had a key or not. Also apparently the police started interview's by saying 'The Ramseys have named you as a suspect or something like that, apparently that is why F and PW went off on one.
I'm not a detective, just a regular mother. I think the house keeper's family member had something to do with it. She could have seen the bonus amount in some papers, had a key, asked for a loan, knew the house layout and knew the kids. Just saying.
I thought she had something to do with it too she was suspicious to me, the things she said in her book. She asked Patsy for a loan.. I just thought it was strange.
She also had the notepad, pens and duct tape used in the crime in her garage. She handed out handwriting analysis designed to pin it on patsy at the grand jury, she used to leave notes for patsy on the back stairs. There’s more evidence against the housekeeper than anyone else
39:05 If the officer was “concerned” in an anxious state of mind-which I’m not sure that word choice indicates-it wouldn’t be so much because of the information he elicited from the Ramseys. Sounds very normal and anodyne for them to get home from a friend’s house at 10:00 p.m., read to their kids until 10:30 p.m., etc.
29:11 I find it at least somewhat odd that the officer notes a “short trip” the family was to take later that day-it may have been a trip short in duration (not a week or weeks, say, but maybe a day or two?), but Michigan is a not a “short” distance from Boulder, Colorado unless you’re traveling by plane-which they evidently were. The matter of leaving the dog with the neighbor should have been immediately checked on with the neighbor.
I think I remember years ago, someone said the small marks matched metal connectors on Burk's train track which was also in the basement? Been awhile though and I dont remember which documentary.
Many Folks thinking on..If it was an intruder,how did they get in? I've not been stuck on,that little window. The Ramseys just had that huge Christmas party,where literally,everyone and their cousin was in attendance..🤔 Anyone could have unlatched a window or a side door during that dinner.
A lot of people had access to their house with keys ,could easily have copied them, and gave them out. I don't think the family had anything to do with it. I really hope the father gets justice .🙏
Question, when did Mr. Ramsey's statement change regarding coming inside after the party, reading her a bedtime story and putting her to bed, to carrying a sleeping Jon Bennet into the house from the car? What are your thoughts on this? Thank you and I love your channel and trust you and the other experts you have on, not because I implicitly trust law enforcement, but because of your straight forward transparency. One of the very best channels on UA-cam with expert opinions and experienced professionals who only speak to the facts.
Well isn't that confusing, especially when they said that there was pineapple in her tummy that she and her brother fought over before going to bed? Her brother was given Pineapple in milk and little JonBenet ate some of it, which caused her brother to become angry. YUCK! Pineapple in milk, never heard of it until the Ramsey's.
In a more recent interview, JR said that he had stayed up with Burke putting a new toy racetrack (? I think) together. We know that JB ate pineapple shortly before she died and that there was a bowl of pineapple on the dining room table....so, if it wasn't served at the party, that is almost certainly where she got it from. I'm wondering if JB was overtired, cranky and acting sassy and one of the parents picked her up to take her up the spiral staircase to her bedroom with JB resisting/flailing and halfway up the stairs the parent inadvertently lost their grip, dropping JonBenet headfirst onto the floor. Something about the spiral staircase seems significant.
Steve Thomas and James Kolar, both detectives who actually worked JonBenet’s case in Boulder, both wrote books theorizing that either Patsy, or Burke, murdered JonBenet. I find James Kolar’s book compelling. Also, Cyril Wecht’s book reviewing the autopsy and forensic evidence is important.
@ yes. Many reputable experts have evaluated this case and I don’t think it’s possible to definitively prove any theory. Apparently the grand jury declined to find that either Patsy or John directly injured JonBenet, including the undisputed molestation evidence.
@@rifleman522 Indeed. This is why the Boulder DA never prosecuted anything. Too hard to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. The grand jury did vote to indict John and Patsy, but that’s a lower standard and the DA refused to prosecute. All we will ever have is theories backed by the best evidence available, unless someone genuinely confesses.
Housekeeper may know of broken window. Look at diagram - come in, go up steps, find pen, notepad, put down flashlight, write letter. Wait until family is asleep and take JB down the steps and into the basement. Leave note on step. Could a scream or yell be heard from that closed room in basement to the parents bedroom on 3rd floor?
The housekeeper may have been cleared..but not her circle of associates...who were not questioned or even on the radar of this incredibly naive police department
I agree 100%
Me, too. That needs to be investigated more.
I agree!
So much more information about this case than I’ve ever heard before. Thank you for investigating this more than any other news source I’ve ever watched. I hope this case is solved soon.
Is it possible the perp wrote the note well in advance, planning the crime, waiting in the home for the family, then got carried away with JB and killed her?
I have thought about that too
I really like your long, detailed videos that go deep below the surface. Thank you!
This analysis is the most riveting I have listened to regarding this case, and it is so well done! I will definitely tune in for the rest. It is awful how this all played out and how the investigation was so shredded by incompetence.
I agree with you. Chris did a fantastic job reading the police report. So much in this report I had never heard. I did not know that The Ramseys story was when they got home John Ramsey read to the kids. And the fact that John Ramsey wasn't glued to the phone from 8 am to 10 am waiting for the kidnappers call.
There is no way around the ransom note being authored INSIDE the house. A true kidnapper would want in and out of the house, not sit and write practice notes knowing he/she could be discovered at any moment. It is disturbing law enforcement does not recognize the facts. No one will ever truly know what happened in that house now except 2 people, and they aren't talking about the facts.
That really isn’t a garrote. It is really a slip knot or noose (like a dog choke collar) with a makeshift handle made out of the paintbrush handle. The cord on the wrists were tied loose which looks more like staging.
Yeah, I think it's possible that the ligature was tightened 4 times because the person using it was trying to end JB's life and it took 4 times for them to do it. I haven't really heard anything to indicate that she was awake and resisting the attack. There are marks on her neck that some say are fingernail marks but was any of JonBenet's skin actually found under her fingernails?
The weapon was embedded into her throat.
@@TheInterviewRoomIt’s been theorized that the rope may have become embedded due to swelling of the neck post mortem.
@lolajoker Anything used to strangle a person with a rope, cord, string is called a garrote, its called a garroting, its in the dictionary. We all know that it was a paintbrush and cord that was used and possibly the person wasn't thinking garrote when it was made. Was it made for the purpose it was used for, we don't know. BR had a toy plane which needed something similar to the paintbrush and cord ensemble to fly it. I never thought of the dog choke collar idea though. There are so many directions you could go in this case
@@TheInterviewRoom Someone was cold as ice when they did that to her. I just can't see the Rs doing this
Unfortunately, you are taking everything that they say is gospel. you're saying they only had 10 minutes to do all this stuff from the time She got up till the time they made the call. But the majority of people believe Patsy never went to bed because she was wearing the same clothing, still had her makeup on still had her hair done. So they staged the scene long before they finally said.Okay let's call the cops. Also I believe John was just shaking his head and one of the. Reasons He was so antsy because he couldn't believe the police had not found her. So finally he had to find her, or she never would have been found in my opinion
She was found in their house. How would she “never have been found”?
@rubymangrum4817 I don't believe he would have waited 7 hours to 'find JB' PR would have looked at least dishevelled if she had done all of this. I also don't think he is taking everything they say as gospel, he is looking closely at statements made.
@@calgal5752 Yeah, I was imagining kids playing hide and seek, an over-ambitious housekeeper, or planning a storage space for model railroad supplies and storage, etc. But if the father actually ''did it'' it sure
must have eaten away at his nerves.
I never understood why they let their son sleep instead of getting him up to look for her. SON would know all hide and seek spots and other play areas.
Their own actions and words are against the intruder theory. For example: John claimed in a recent interview they didn’t even ask Burke if he heard sg that night. “If he knew anything, it would not be something he thought was important,”
“Burke would have said something.”
As a mother myself, if heaven forbid, my child was abducted from her bedroom, I'd want my other child right by my side. I wouldn't have my other child alone upstairs in the bedroom, where a "kidnapping" had just taken place.
@@countygirl35exactly!!
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Yay I remember when you said you were going to do this and I've been waiting patiently. Thank you.
Hope you like it!
"I opened the door, turned on the light and there she was". John Ramsey.
ref Peter Hyatt: The Death of JonBenet.
Prayers for Peter Hyatt. He isn’t in the best of health bless him ❤
Thank you for this. I truly appreciate the informative approach rather than passing judgement and making accusations. I want to see the evidence and you have it.
Stated perfectly!
Replay crew. Thank you Chris, Karen, and all mods ❤
Chris, this was a tremendous discussion of the facts in this case Much needed and I’m so grateful for your time, Chris. Thank you for your professionalism and objectivity. This is the best channel, by far, for the truth!
I’m glad you’re still keeping this case alive. There’s no excuse for Boulder to keep this case. They need to turn it over. The only reason to keep it at this point is a cover up
Thank you for letting me hang out with ya'll on New Year's Eve! I enjoyed it. Extremely fascinating and much better than being alone! :)
Great job Chris. Happy New Year.
Patsy’s story changed from what she told French to what she later said in interviews and in their book. She told French that she checked her room before finding the note. Then later her story was that she found the letter and then ran up and found her not in her room.
@lolajoker thats only according to French...no recording that we know of...he admitted he wasn't sure as to what JR said about the party...
@ There are interviews where Patsy says different scenarios of how she found the letter and checked on Jon Benet. Their stories have never been consistent.
@lolajoker which interviews? I've never seen her tell an inconsistent story. Lmk and I will look them up.
@lolajoker you're talking about the officer that should have found her body behind the door he was standing in front of
Thank you for your expertise Chris. It’s about time this is looked at methodically.
Thank you, Chris. Very good analysis. Blessings to you and Karen, from snowy Montana ❤
It's mind boggling to me, that everyone in the house wasn't ordered to leave immediately. The house is a crime scene! I'm not in law enforcement, but this is just common sense to me
Yes. Who would even invite friends over to a ceime scene to ruin evidence, to loose the chance to find fingerprints, footprints in the house? None of the friends thought they will misplace or destroy evidence? Apperently officers weren’t worried about that either. Strange.
So if I understand your comment you feel the intent was to have others over to destroy evidence so when the body was found things would be lost?
@ It is a possibility. I do understand the emotional support part, but you cannot risk the police loosing important evidence due to friends making breakfast in the kitchen. The friends for sure did not mean to contaminate the scene, it is just surprising not one person thought of that.
But it's the officers fault for not securing the scene. It's not the families responsibility to secure the scene, it's the officers responsibility.@user-wj4yo8vp3o
Friends could have inadvertently carried things out of the house - like when Burke was sent off with a friend. I would assume that they packed him an overnight bag and sent along some of his favorite toys. A roll of black duct tape could have been dropped under the seat in a friend's car. With all of those people coming in and out of the house it stands to reason that evidence could have been coming in and out, too. I would be interested to know what the phone records were and whether 911 was the first call made that morning.
After listening now, my suspicions fall on the housekeeper and possibly her husband. She has access to the house, she knows which room was Jon Benet's. She may have given Jon benet the pineapple. She may have been writing the letter for a long time, and heard john and patsy talking about his bonus he was going to get. What do you know about her husband, could it have been his dna on Jon benet?

She always been biggest suspect. I had read police didn't get housekeeper husband DNA. Don't have a clue why...
They won’t ever know because they won’t test the DNA!!!! 🧬
Also, just a thought, were any of their suspects proficient in tying that particular knot used on the garrote [sic]? If the photo is accurate, that knot winding around the paint brush handle was meticulously done.
The housekeeper's husband, MP, died on Feb 17th, 2018. As far as I know, his DNA and handwriting samples was never collected, only his fingerprints. His wife provided everything, however. He knew the layout of the house, and he knew the Ramseys. He helped carry Christmas decorations up from the basement. Also, he knew about the broken basement window because the Ramseys asked him to fix it, but he never did. His wife who was the housekeeper could have easily told him about John's $118,000 bonus. He could have even borrowed his wife's key instead of entering the basement window. Also, his wife admitted to taking home pens and pads of paper from the Ramsey home. MP could have either written that long note in his own home or in the Ramsey home while they were away at the Christmas party. He could have been jealous of the Ramsey's wealth and success and determined to destroy their lives. I have a vivid image in my mind of his wife telling him"Oh it must be nice to get a $118,000 work bonus" while rolling her eyes in jealousy while she's forced to wear hand me down shoes from Patsy and beg Patsy for a loan and her husband has to do handyman odd jobs for the Ramseys just to make ends meet. THINK ABOUT IT!!!
I wonder if he had ever been accused of molestation of his own children or stepchildren.
On the topic of the door with the wooden latch on top. Was that latch fingerprinted? The perp would have had to latch that door shut
I have a nagging question- the latch makes no sense at all if the door opens to the inside???
So there’s a kidnapping and the parents are downstairs with police leaving their son upstairs sleeping unattended.
I agree! I would be scared to leave him alone. I wouldn’t leave him out of my sight.
Burke said in his interview that he wasn't scared of the same.person comimg for him but neighborhood kids struggled with this. One of many oddities
Why wouldn't the officer open the door knowing she was missing, doesn't make any sense
The officer said that they were looking specifically for entry/exit points that an intruder could enter and later exit carrying a small child and since the wine room was a windowless interior room and the door was stuck and not opening the investigator didn't force it. Turns out that there was a latch towards the top of the door that the investigator didn't see which is why John was later able to go downstairs, unlatch the door and find JonBenet.
If he was looking for an intruder he should have opened the door. Officer safety.
So great to hear this from an officer’s perspective! Thank you!
I feel smarter after watching all your videos- can’t tell you how much I enjoy listening to your wisdom and insight!
Thanks
Thank you, Chris, for your thoroughness on this case.
Years ago i thought one of the family members did it, but i haven't thought that in quite a while. The garrote is key.
@@ellisd77 and the foreign DNA
I saw a documentary where the underwear JonBen`et was wearing were not originally hers but way too big a size 12. She had been at her cousins house and the cousin had received them as a gift and JonBen`t had loved them and wanted them so the cousin gave them to her. It was stated that they were not what she was wearing when carried up asleep upon arriving home and put to bed. I also found this unusual as they reported she was asleep and carried up and put to bed and later John Ramsey reports he read to both children before ticking them into bed ???
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As I was listening to how John described waking and walking Burke to the neighbors my thought can you imagine letting your child out of site when their are kidnappers out there and also putting your neighbors in mortal danger, if I were their neighbor and I was told what was happening there would be no way I would accept that kind of responsibility and I would be astonished that they could let their child out of site like that and how scared the child would be!
Good point.
Perhaps they knew there was no threat to Burke or anyone else.
How sad you are so full of fear you wouldnt even take in that poor child and protect him? I certainly would. The so called kidnapper hid in darkness they wouldnt be out fighting neighbors to steal kids in broad daylight and if they did they would be caught
Just what I needed for my Monday!! Love listening to you Chris and Gary for your expertise and intelligent discussions.
Can’t wait to see your video with Steve Johnson breaking down this note!
Can’t wait for part two as well!!
I just subbed to your channel, i appreciate your professionalism.
Thanks for the sub!
I have learned so much from Chris and his team, over the last few years. Not merely about the crimes, but rather about the critical thinking it takes to break down details, situations, and hypotheticals. I am a better thinker thanks to TIR. My mind continues to be blown. Thank you ❤
Thr lack of fingerprints are very telling. You know that she had to have picked up that ransom note to read it . Or at the very least she would have had to step on in it to get down the stairs. No finger print no foot print.
The latch on the top of the wine cellar door was not obvious how to unlatch. It was a homemade piece of wood that you turn to let the door open. That’s probably why he didn’t try to open it. Fleet White did open it but couldn’t see anything because it was too dark and he couldn’t find the light yet, when John found her, he saw her before turning on the light as witnessed by Fleet White.
Liking and leaving a comment, as always, as I really appreciate you and your work, agreeing or not with your conclusions on this particular case. Thank you ❤
In my memory I seem to recall the housekeeper had her Brother in law help move Christmas decorations from that room for Patsy. Does anyone else remember that? This might have been the year before.?
That housekeeper also testified to the grand jury as to why she thought the Ramsay's did it. I always wondered about her. She would have written that Mr and Mrs page before writing the ransom document. She has access to paperwork where she would know financials. She would know the house inside out and Jon Benet would have been quiet and went with her out of her room. Maybe even stopped in the kitchen with her to calm her and give her pineapple. That house keeper would know about the broken window. I feel she had someone to with her and it turned bad in some way. I could see the housekeeper being jealous of the little girl and the mother and easily getting away with it especially working with cops and testifying. IMO the housekeeper has motive, access and could hate on this family easily and convince someone to carry out a kidnapping. She would know what stairs the mother went down in the morning...to me, that house keeper is the key to this case. She may have had a family member out of jail or a desperate criminal friend. Done.
@janootie184life8 I agree and have always thought the housekeeper is the answer, along with Michael Helgoth. He had wolf dogs and the fur from this breed of dog was found on JonBenet.
Chris, thank you for putting so much of your time and passion into this. And thank KAREN for sharing you with us!!!! We love you both. ❤
Great show. Always a pleasure to hear your valuable insights 🇬🇧🙏
Hi, wow, I can’t wait to watch this. I was living in Atlanta when it happened, it was so sad & way too close since her family was in Atlanta. Thank you Chris.
You can’t dismiss the John and Patsy by saying they only had from 5:45 to 5:55 to write the ransom letter. They would have obviously never went to bed and so had all night to stage the kidnapping.
And could have only used items that were already in the house like the paintbrush etc.
Patsy was in the same clothes and her side of the bed wasn't slept in. He talks in the beginning about not missing obvious things. This was disappointing
I look forward to these sessions and talking through the evidence with a real professional that cares about justice. You are so amazing Chris and Karen is the cherry on top ❤ just love you guys so much thank you for being here for us
@2:2:49-
OmG!💔im so sorry for ur loss. The pain from losing a child is like no other. Im sorry
As a nurse and manager of a facility that , in part , answers to the state - thorough and accurate documentation is of upmost importance. I see, in the first paragraph a statement that needed a follow up qualifying explanation as to how the writer deduced this: " There was no apparent forced entry into the residence." This needs an immediate next sentence as to how she came about this information ie: due to a personal inspection of each and every means of entry or by some other means such as per ....'s statement [ see _______'s name, badge number or some other identifier ]. I don't want to read further into this report bc it will be too draining. Ty for the work that you do and the education, for those of us wanting to know, that you and Dr Brucato bring to the table.
Ditto! 🎉
Not to forget "no forced entry" is NOT indicative of "no intruder". (Not necessarily ... and LE /Detectives would know this even if no one else inside thought of.)
Detectives needed to know ow how EVERY door locked. From outside? Inside? Key only - which side(s) - both sides or only one side permanent if key can be used from both sides? AKA - turning the handle only from inside may unlock "some doors" - inner to outer; but not vice versa. (Were the doors or were the doors not locked?) There's been statements... "one door" in back of home found unlocked ... eventually. (Maybe footsteps? Or, easily covered over by snow.)
In addition another detective has commented it is rare that entry and exit points are the same. Oh?! 😮
Okay, now Detective CMcD said a basement/garage door was "locked" from the inside in an unusual way ... so officer ignored checking into further. CM is correct. That door may have been locked 'after the fact' or perhaps handle or lock touched ... had door been unlocked (earlier) and a point of entry BUT, NOT the exit (and then locked ... to confuse a crime scene OR to simply stop others from using from outside to inside ... possible even to hide the body longer).
Or, door locked the entire time. But, that would have been a 'presumption' only by random officer that morning.
Would the/an intruder have "tried" THAT door - to exit only. So, close to JBR's body and leads to garage. Maybe. Touched handle or lock? (Finger prints?) But, perhaps changed their mind ... because no way to RE-LOCK if used for exit? Decides to use another door. Will never know. Would/Could the Ramsey's know right away and tell LE. And, JBR's body is ... near that door. Thus, an intruder may use a different door to leave/exit ... REGARDLESS if that garage door was or was not point of entry. (Relocks instead? Leaves locked? Maybe. Possible.)
And, then ... supposedly a different door was discovered "unlocked". Entry? Exit? Never used? Used?
How does "THIS" specific door lock? Inside only? Outside only? Both? Multiple ways? Dead bolt? Push button inside (or inside handle twist/push in)? Both? Were both or only method used? Known or an unknown?
*Were any house keys missing from the home?*
There's been a deceased child/person discovered.
(Or, in position of anyone.) And, whom?
But, no ... guessing or assuming.
@margaretlee-reed814 There were keys unaccounted for. I also believe that there was a door open which was recorded in a police report, don't know this for sure though
Love the new intro!! I do miss Buddy telling me to take a seat. Thank you Chris and Gary for your perspectives.
By far the best live you’ve done! So interesting and sheds light on best practices for investigating. More like this please 😊
Didn't Patsy say that she dressed JonBenet for bed? If that's true, why wouldn't she have known exactly what JonBenet was wearing? Makes no sense.
There seems to be an obvious communication break down between Detectives and parent(s) when being asked about ... "What was JBR (last?) wearing"?
When asking John ... he could have interpreted that as last "normal" clothing before put to bed? Were police asking John about potential stalkers watching JBR or understandably planning to interview people at the Christmas party? John may have easily thought "clothing" meant her last outfit worn ... before changing for bed. Or, John may have easily been stressed and confused what JBR wore the last 2 nights to bed. What nightgown did JBR where CHRUSTMAS morning? (Tired that night after a Christmas party then alleged late bedtime story ... peehaps John didn't pay attention or remember or answered both ways or wasn't sure ... foggy but, sure one or the other ... if not describing what was (last) worn to a Christmas party and then to bed.)
Difficult to hear "commas" et al when asking & writing. In fact one can't.
Context of answer(s) could be wrong in the police report. (But, content could be the same.)
Same for Patsy. "What was JBR (last) wearing"? Okay, when? Was that clarified for Patsy? Context please. And, if her child was "kidnapped" ... she wouldn't know-know ... the last-last clothing JBR was DEFINATELY wearing. Patsy didn't witness the kidnapping ... she hasn't inventoried JBR's clothing since that 911 call. She doesn't know. She can guess the context of the question - correctly or incorrectly. AKA ... was the officer talking about the Christmas party or what JBR wore to bed?
Hi Chris, with the presence of a ransom note the house shouldn't be treated as a crime scene? The responding officer should of rumaged through the house upon arrival? I mean its not like they just couldn't find Johnbenet. There was a ransom note
Checked all the windows n doors huh John. Just didn't check the whole house for your baby girl. Ahhh sure. Ok. Right
i've watched a lot of videos on JonBenet, but yours is different. I like the fact that you're experienced, and are walking us through this slowly. I keep thinking about the man across the street who I've heard (from other videos) that he was keeping the Ramsey dog (even on a permanent basis?). Someone reported that JonBenet would go see her (former) dog at his house. I don't know if this neighbor has been cleared of any suspicion, but he's a person of interest (at this time) in my mind! Do you know?
I also saw where someone had been staying with a neighbor. From what I've read, he definitely seems like a major POI in this case.
The info that you are referring to about DNA is incorrect… there is trace DNA that is unknown but that doesn’t mean that it necessarily belongs to whoever murdered her. So her family cannot be eliminated by DNA alone. Some family members and others have been eliminated because of alibi’s. I do agree that the nature of the crime probably does eliminate Burke.1:15:32
And so nothing else has DNA, including the cigarette butts found on the later attack nearby of the girl who went to the same dance studio?
@@TheInterviewRoom A random neighborhood attacking young girls in their beds wouldnt have all that personal info on jr that was in the letter imo
This was a very thoughtful and insightful program
31:45 The immediate photographing and fingerprinting was a good first step, but should never have been done with outsiders present in the home. The time stamp says this took place less than an hour from the initial arrival of the officer. It is pretty telling, though, that it took *more than two hours* for the detectives called in on the case (Arndt and Patterson) to arrive on scene-and still at that point JonBenét’s lifeless body had not yet been discovered. Detective Arndt has gotten a lot of criticism for her handling of the case, but it appears that the responding officer mishandled it right off the bat.
Watching replay. Always a great show.
Thanks for coming
I love this investigator. I've been watching him for years.He actually gets to the points.
38:11 When the officer says he was “concerned” with getting information from the Ramseys, the substitute word that comes to mind is “preoccupied.” I don’t think the officer means to imply that the Ramseys weren’t forthcoming, but it does seem like here is another choice of words that almost attempts to explain or excuse not searching more thoroughly for JonBenét.
Interesting that the police officers notes don’t match what Patsy said in interviews. She said after she woke up on the morning of the 26th, she walked down the stairs and found the ransom note AND then ran upstairs into JonBenette’s room, found her missing, and screamed for her husband.
Please, please, PLEASE could we stop referring to any human with male DNA as a gentleman???
I have heard every type of criminal and creep described this way because people are in the habit of using that word casually to describe any male. A rapist or child molester is NOT a “gentleman” !!!!
Just sayin’ .
Protocol. It is just protocol.
Thanks, Chris! ❤
Shouldn't the note have been sent to forensics before being put through a photocopier.
Your analysis haunts me. Keen insight. 💯♨️💯
Wow, that initial report... eye opening. Sounds like the officer that was LATE already had her mind made up. Definitely not open minded or seemed to give a poo. Just my outsider opinion with an open mind. Thanks for going over this, your time is much appreciated! :-)
An incredible masterclass. Thank you.
Very interesting analysis! This adds a completely different dimension to the case that I've never seen. Thank you thank you thank you I can't wait for tomorrow.
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Watching from Australia 🇦🇺
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The “kidnappers” also had to know their phone number since the “foreign faction” was supposed to call them. 🤷🏻♀️
Phone numbers then were normally posted on the landline phone. They also may have been listed in the phone book. Phones and numbers were very different in 1996.
@ Yes I am very aware of that. But the point is that they had to have premeditated and looked the number up.
Hi from Scotland 🏴 love your style and knowledge. Thanks for keeping us all informed.
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Chris: Keep up the amazing work. You are brilliant.
Thank you kindly!
This is so interesting. I love when you explain to us how you would proceed. Thanks!!
One thing is making me think about the note and this sad case 😢 so if an intruder go in from the window the intruder could have being in the house hours ? Days before this would give them so much time to plan this… the more I learn about the way this happened the more I think it was an intruder. Do we know if the guy who was writing to his old school friend from prison. Had he been caught breaking and entering homes and hiding out in them ?
But where did he left, no one was going through that windows, dust, and spiderweb are untouched, and they were all over...
Interesting that the investigator noted about the house: "although somewhat messy due to the season the residence did not look out of order". Is that the same thing as saying that the house was a mess but did not appear to be ransacked?
I would think so.
I thought that was a strange comment.
Was the house cleaned by the housekeeper yet?
Maybe just that there was wrapping paper all about and dishes not washed due to it being Christmas, unwrapping gifts from Santa and then they went out to other get togethers. Maybe they had no time to do so, or Mrs. Ramsey didn't do cleaning. Wasn't the cleaning lady supposed to come and get that $$$ after they left for Michigan on that same day? I would think if she is coming for 2K, she would clean the home for sure.
the housekeeper regularly came twice a week (that's a lot imo - even for folks who have a housekeper). Housekeeper had remarked about how careless/messy the kids were. So I definitely believe the house was trashed.
Some people think that S.B.T.C. stands for Saved By The Cross. Notice that JB had a cross necklace on and that PR also wore a cross necklace at times.
Greetings. Thanks for your time.
Thank you too
Great show…see you Monday night👍🏻
I pray for justice for Jon Benet. Thanks for walking through the case issues with us Chris!
Chris, I love this deep dive in Jonbenet’s case. I am learning
so much from these episodes, thank you for this gift. I do have to say, there are times that I know you say things in all seriousness, and as much as this case has troubled me since it happened, comments about the undressed”life size barbie doll”, and putting things in the “broken chip pile”, made me chuckle. ❤
Great show!
Why would they call the cops when the note said not to call? Should have at least waited until 10am and it's pretty strange the family search the entire house except for the room that she was ultimately found in
Exactly!
The police searched the house and didn't open the basement room door for some reason
Hi Chris, no disrespect here but the note is crucial. It worked until 1pm. Everything that the perp used was from the house. Poor little Jonbonet was SA'd with a broken paint brush not a male organ. The underwear she was wearing were originally a gift Patsy had bought for her niece, so who knows who handled them before. If she hadn't such a severe almost fatal blow to the head I'd be more inclined to believe you, but if Jonbonet was a victim of previous SA, and a horrific accident happened that night, they couldnt call an ambulance for obvious reasons, I truly feel it was staged to look like an sa crime, if they thought she was a goner with the head trauma... Dont forget she had eaten pineapple shortly before her demise Chris, the case stinks😢 Ringing all the friends and cops after being threatened that your little would be taken out if you did alarms me too. Great show though🤗
Thanks for the comment I don't know of any documented history of Long tern SA. Autopsy is clear on that. Please cite your official source.
@@TheInterviewRoom It's been out there for a while Chris, I can't remember where I heard that to be honest with you, I'll have to go digging again, this case haunts a lot of us mothers, and fathers too of course. I'd also like to point out to you that both JonBonet and burke were bedwetters, me and my late brother were sa'd at a very young age by a family friend and we both had that issue with bedwetting too, it's difficult to talk about, but from my own personal experiences, it's either a family member or someone very close to the family. Burke had very alarming behaviours too, smearing feces on Jonbenets toys, that's not normal. A scream was heard too Chris, by a neighbour, I think she got a belt of a bat or something like it and she couldn't be woken, assuming she was mortally wounded it was staged to look like a pedo attack first, and then as an afterthought in the moment ,a kidnapping so the search would be outside the home. Somebody clearly had a very vivid imagination in regards to the actual crime and the note, and it worked. Love your thoughts though. I truly want you to convince me otherwise.
@@TheInterviewRoom hi, chris. both dr cyril wecht and dr robert kirschner felt there was clear evidence of the abuse of jonbenet, cited in ann louise bardach’s intriguing, extensive and well~researched vanity fair article entitled “missing innocence”, published in october of 1997. ‘definitely recommend reading this thorough article.
@@dannionadulldayExactly. That’s what I came here to state. Cyril Wecht, Internationally renowned Forensic Pathologist made a pretty compelling case of his observations of the autopsy. Others have verified that information as well. Some have even offered that the Pediatrician was a close family friend of the Ramsays. 🤷🏻♀️ As a young child JonBenet had quite a few appointments with her doctor, but that could have been for anything. Maybe UTIs if she was a constant bred wetter.
This is a very good show Chris I always thought the parents did it. I am anxious to hear about a DNA results off of the gartotte.
NEW YEARS hang out was wonderful ❤ Thank you Chris xxx
Dr Garry has an amazing collection and he certainly is fun. You complement each other so well ❤❤
Linda's account and observations, especially of the father, should have been taken seriously. Rather, some choose to make fun or ignore the first-hand accounts.
@@Actingbadly no she was biased of them from the beginning
She was angry that they named her as a suspect, truth is as a parent I would have told them everyone's name who I knew or suspected, if they had a key or not. Also apparently the police started interview's by saying 'The Ramseys have named you as a suspect or something like that, apparently that is why F and PW went off on one.
What race was the dna from and what race was the housekeeper? Could it have been her partner or friend?
I'm not a detective, just a regular mother. I think the house keeper's family member had something to do with it. She could have seen the bonus amount in some papers, had a key, asked for a loan, knew the house layout and knew the kids. Just saying.
Nope. She would have been arrested and hauled off.
Cuz the cops did such a bang up job so far... 😆 @patedwards8844
I thought she had something to do with it too she was suspicious to me, the things she said in her book. She asked Patsy for a loan.. I just thought it was strange.
She also had the notepad, pens and duct tape used in the crime in her garage. She handed out handwriting analysis designed to pin it on patsy at the grand jury, she used to leave notes for patsy on the back stairs. There’s more evidence against the housekeeper than anyone else
39:05 If the officer was “concerned” in an anxious state of mind-which I’m not sure that word choice indicates-it wouldn’t be so much because of the information he elicited from the Ramseys. Sounds very normal and anodyne for them to get home from a friend’s house at 10:00 p.m., read to their kids until 10:30 p.m., etc.
29:11 I find it at least somewhat odd that the officer notes a “short trip” the family was to take later that day-it may have been a trip short in duration (not a week or weeks, say, but maybe a day or two?), but Michigan is a not a “short” distance from Boulder, Colorado unless you’re traveling by plane-which they evidently were. The matter of leaving the dog with the neighbor should have been immediately checked on with the neighbor.
I think I remember years ago, someone said the small marks matched metal connectors on Burk's train track which was also in the basement? Been awhile though and I dont remember which documentary.
Yes, but those measured the same as a stun gun, according to an investigator and the train track ends were the wrong shape.
Dr Oz showed the train tracks connections and they were not rounded at the end.
Note: don't contact police. Patsy and John, contacts police, two sets of friends and their religious leader LOL
The police were in her house.
@@TheInterviewRoom and? The behavior of the Ramsey's that morning and the days later strongly indicates they know exactly what happened.
Many Folks thinking on..If it was an intruder,how did they get in?
I've not been stuck on,that little window. The Ramseys just had that huge Christmas party,where literally,everyone and their cousin was in attendance..🤔 Anyone could have unlatched a window or a side door during that dinner.
They hosted 3 Christmas parties. All over 100 in attendance at each party.
About ten people had a key to the house
I'm looking forward to you having Mr. Johnson on your live. I've always found his input fascinating and intriguing.
A lot of people had access to their house with keys ,could easily have copied them, and gave them out.
I don't think the family had anything to do with it. I really hope the father gets justice .🙏
I always your in-depth coverage of this type
I pray there are answers soon
Question, when did Mr. Ramsey's statement change regarding coming inside after the party, reading her a bedtime story and putting her to bed, to carrying a sleeping Jon Bennet into the house from the car? What are your thoughts on this? Thank you and I love your channel and trust you and the other experts you have on, not because I implicitly trust law enforcement, but because of your straight forward transparency. One of the very best channels on UA-cam with expert opinions and experienced professionals who only speak to the facts.
Well isn't that confusing, especially when they said that there was pineapple in her tummy that she and her brother fought over before going to bed? Her brother was given Pineapple in milk and little JonBenet ate some of it, which caused her brother to become angry. YUCK! Pineapple in milk, never heard of it until the Ramsey's.
Do people ever proof read their comments before posting them?
Nope…Are you grading them?
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In a more recent interview, JR said that he had stayed up with Burke putting a new toy racetrack (? I think) together. We know that JB ate pineapple shortly before she died and that there was a bowl of pineapple on the dining room table....so, if it wasn't served at the party, that is almost certainly where she got it from. I'm wondering if JB was overtired, cranky and acting sassy and one of the parents picked her up to take her up the spiral staircase to her bedroom with JB resisting/flailing and halfway up the stairs the parent inadvertently lost their grip, dropping JonBenet headfirst onto the floor. Something about the spiral staircase seems significant.
I had not considered this possibility & it is worth looking into. The Parents are involved & the Grand Jury agreed.
The nature of the skull fracture was inconsistent with being caused by a fall according to the autopsy report.
Steve Thomas and James Kolar, both detectives who actually worked JonBenet’s case in Boulder, both wrote books theorizing that either Patsy, or Burke, murdered JonBenet. I find James Kolar’s book compelling. Also, Cyril Wecht’s book reviewing the autopsy and forensic evidence is important.
Did they explain the murder weapon and how a 10-year-old boy would utilize it for gratification?
Cyril Wecht’s conclusion was it was the father’s gratification.
@ yes. Many reputable experts have evaluated this case and I don’t think it’s possible to definitively prove any theory. Apparently the grand jury declined to find that either Patsy or John directly injured JonBenet, including the undisputed molestation evidence.
Theories are not evidence. Anyone can have a theory. They mean nothing without evidence to prove it. Hard evidence.
@@rifleman522 Indeed. This is why the Boulder DA never prosecuted anything. Too hard to meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. The grand jury did vote to indict John and Patsy, but that’s a lower standard and the DA refused to prosecute. All we will ever have is theories backed by the best evidence available, unless someone genuinely confesses.
Housekeeper may know of broken window. Look at diagram - come in, go up steps, find pen, notepad, put down flashlight, write letter. Wait until family is asleep and take JB down the steps and into the basement. Leave note on step. Could a scream or yell be heard from that closed room in basement to the parents bedroom on 3rd floor?
I think it was a neighour that heard a scream👍But i have been thinking the same.She could easily have made🤷♀️
They say neighbor only heard the scream because room where she was found had a flu pipe sticking out and acted like a bullhorn....