Pinned Comment: -Whoops, forgot Lancer also knows the Legend if you refuse to listen to Ralsei. Probably doesn't affect any of my Geoff conclusions, but figured I'd point it out. -Before writing any comments that use Geoff's Twitter take-over as proof of him being "real," keep in mind that Toby has stated that tweets are non-canon. -Geoff ruining the narrative by being "real" is not equivalent to our choices not mattering as a result of the timeloop. The former is bad because it tells us that DELTARUNE's characters don't matter. The latter is fine because it's a tragedy we experience alongside the characters.
I don't think Lancer knows the prophecy at all. He just says that all they gotta know is that he's the bad guy. Likely his dad the Kard King told him this.
haven't finished the video yet and will edit/delete my comment if you address it, but what if the soul is just an avatar that we are connecting to/represents us? Of course, that still conflates fiction with reality, but I feel like that would keep the metanarrative without breaking peoples suspension of belief. Kind of in a similar way that DDLC does it.
can't believe people got mad at calling gaster "mystery man" when the sprite that everybody uses for gaster is LITERALLY CALLED "spr_mysteryman" EDIT: also Geoff is the best name for deltarune gaster hands down
That was precisely the reason people didn't like that. The reasoning was he wanted to avoid calling the voice Gaster, but then proceeded to call him a name that everyone already associates with Gaster anyways. I found that amusing but apparently some others didn't...
I can't believe he just called the voice Geoff, it's like he doesn't even believe in gaster. Also I acnt believe he just called him gaster before, everyone blames gaster for everything
As a counterargument to Toby Fox not involving the actual player, I think that’s exactly what happens at the end of Undertale’s genocide route when you make a compromise with Chara to bring the world back and play the soulless route. They reference YOUR human soul and while I think that loses its effect if used too much, I think at the heart of these games that’s exactly the point. We ARE a part of the story as players and even though we didn’t actually commit murder, the emotions we feel are real and our connection to fiction that we allow ourselves to have creates very real impacts on our lives.
that was exactly my thoughts; i have a really hard time going with the train of thought that the fictional world doesn’t impact our world, bc like you said, that is the precedence that undertale set. not to mention that the soul in both games are more of a vessel for the player, regardless of if it belongs to kris/frisk or not
Yeah but the point is that in-universe, the soul that is being sold to Chara is Frisk's. That conversation is between Frisk and Chara. In the soulless pacifist ending it's not my real body that gets possessed by Chara, it is Frisk's. The player is there as a metaphor, Chara is a metaphor for certain players, Flowey is a metaphor for some other kind of players, but the point is that none of them are IN-UNIVERSE you. It's just a softer kind of meta compared to some other games where some character straight up tells you "hey, I know this is a videogame".
@@godoatthegoat2884 you are saying that like its fact when its just an interpretation. especially since its pick and choose when you decide what benefits that view. such as flowey mentioning the one controlling frisk.
Right? Like it isn't saying he's bringing Deltarune to our real world, it's brining US (a player) into the video game world of Deltarune. That part of the theory bothered me so much 😂 And Gaster didn't steal our soul, he just used us (a PLAYER) as the new controller of Kris. Kris is now US but in the world of Deltarune. Our soul and choices are the only connection to our world and the Deltarune world. We can only impact the Deltarune world and Kris. Our choices matter to that world.
I don't think Geoff is implied to literally summon the player's SOUL, but rather that he summoned or created a SOUL-like method for the player to control in the world. That way, he acknowledges the player, but doesn't transcend beyond the fourth wall anymore than Sans facing the camera while it zooms in Undertale, or Flowey directly talking to us outside of the game.
It’s possible sans facing the camera is him looking at a camera Alphys put down, since he worked together with her, and would know where any camera is.
Exactly, it's not _literally_ our soul, it's just a representation of us in universe that we can control. Kinda like a lesser vessel, supposedly originally meant to be put in the bigger vessel he had us make for him.
The soul isn’t the players actual soul, it’s a representation of the player. It’s what the player has control through, but not part of the player themself.
I personally believe Faint Courage exists to create a larger tonal dissonance between the normal game over and Gaster's "then the world was covered in darkness". The different and more somber feel of Darkness Falls becomes more unsettling when compared to the hopefulness of Faint Courage.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that KEYGEN is likely a reference to real life key generators. In real life, key generating websites that were used to unlock illegal copies of software and games, often used a song called "Unreal superhero 3". If you listen to both, KEYGEN sounds very similar.
I wish he actually looked up Keygen before making that section. He tries to tie it in not realizing that Keygen is actually just a thing for generating product keys.
I don't think the soul in the beginning being the "players" soul is too far fetched to say. Sure, "Geoff" didn't literally take his hand through my computer screen and pull me in, but we made CONTACT with him by installing the game and booting it up. In a meta sense we quite literally make contact with Geoff by installing deltarune itself. Atleast, thats what I think
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
Personally, I much rather believe that Geoff didn't summon us in the first place; we simply appeared, and he simply took that opportunity to speak with us and place us in a vessel.
I don't see why him establishing a connection with us to put the player in a soul of some kind would be far-fetched and immersion-breaking, but the implication (from the tweets from the Undertale account) that Geoff is fully aware of, and capable of navigating, a space beyond the confines of the game (he's been 'looking for us', remember) is not.
I have a feeling that the reason the Game Over screen changed is the same that got the file select menu changed. They are both situations were the interface became less meta and more "gamey", and they could have happened at the same time.
I love how Toby has set such a precedent for everything in his work being deliberate that something as simple as a UI change sends massive ripples throughout potential theories
to play devil’s advocate, calling the voice ‘mystery man’ is basically the same as calling him gaster since the sprite everyone assumes to be gaster was named mystery man in the files
i love how your theories always, without fail, make me go "jesus christ Jaru what the hell are you talking abou- oh, that actually kinda makes sense. nevermind"
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
I think the soul in the intro scene might be artificial, synthetic in some way. It sounds like a logical extension of Gaster's research into souls, determination, and time-space.
Regarding AUDIO_INTRONOISE: I think it's noteworthy that this is one of the very few voicelines in Undertale and Deltarune. The most prevalent characters who speak audible words are Flowey, Jevil and Spamton, all of which have gained some kind of forbidden knowledge about their worlds. This could further hint at Gaster/Geoff having meta knowledge about the world of Deltarune. (But then, there is also Mettaton who is able to audibly speak so idk. You could argue that since Mettaton is a machine with an injected soul, he did get knowledge outside the confines of being a machine. He is aware of physically being only a machine, in the same way that Flowey/Jevil/Spamton might be somewhat aware of being only characters in a video game. But I understand that this is a bit of a stretch.)
actually, Mettaton isn't a machine with an injected soul! he is simply a ghost possessing a robotic puppet. this is backed up by the diaries in "Nabstablook's cousin's house" which describe a person abandoning their family to ascend to stardom (at the help of Alphys), as well as Bratty's and Catty's dialogue discussing how after Mettaton was supposedly just made, MTT and Alphys were already acting like old friends. If you keep all this in mind and watch the events at the tail end of Mettaton's own bossfight, the first caller was obviously Nabstablook, Mettaton sure seemed to recognize them, and called out "Bl-" (presumably saying Blooky?) as the caller hung up. as the final nail in the coffin, Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew are described as eating ghost food together in the canon winter alarm clock dialogue. in short, MTT and Alphys go out of their way to make the public think MTT is a robot with a soul, but that's just not true. (if you want to you could use this as fuel for "Alphys lies and is a bad person", otherwise you could use it as fuel for "Alphys respects their friend's wishes and is a good person.) sorry if this came across a a little overbearing or toxic. I know I've been seen that way before, and I genuinely mean this in the best way possible, trying to be as constructive as I can in disproving the spread of misinformation.
@@nathanielkershner5904 You're absolutely right! I somehow forgot about that when making the comment, thanks for pointing that out. I'd argue that claiming a soul was "injected" into a machine is still not completely wrong, as a ghost possessing a machine is just one way to "inject" one's soul into an object (while still being in control of course). But yeah, Mettaton's soul certainly belongs to Nabstablook's cousin and he is the one controlling Mettaton.
What if (and I have literally no evidence for this), the intro scene with the vessel is us "creating" "ralsei" in the master dark fountain, but it just ends up discarded and actually replaced by the ralsei we know in game? The background looks very much like a dark fountain, and with the "you're about to meet someone very interesting," line for Susie, Kris, and Noelle, I think it'd make sense that we're creating ralsei (or a prototype, before being taken over by someone else). Again, no actual evidence, purely speculation, but I think it would make for an interesting plot twist!
It's important to consider that Kris is interested in magic rituals and Asgore is heavily hinted to have occultist practices/secrets in his house and messing with the dark worlds. Like father, like son.
That would also draw in the idea that Ralsei is who Kris wanted to be. The one who Kris never could be, because "Nobody can choose who they are in this world."
34:31 the whole "ralsei's putting on a performance" thing has always been something i thought about in the back of my head, but the association with the 8-bit NES RPG-like music just makes it so much stronger, i never fully realized that until now great observation dude
I'm at the beggining of the video, and while I agree with your points regarding GEOFF not being able to summon your ACTUAL soul, I think the soul is more meant to serve as your metaphorical connection and influence over the game. The reason why a soul is chosen(especially the red, heart), in my theory, is that we, as the "player" are familiar with that imagery from UNDERTALE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the twitter tweets just before Deltarune's release mention stuff like "you have me waiting" or "I have been looking for you aswell", which would suggest that GEOFF is simply aware of the fact that the majority of people first experiencing this game were most awaiting something linking it to UNDERTALE, hence the way your connection to the world is represented. This is further supported by the fact that Toby Fox himself reccomends playing UNDERTALE before playing DELTARUNE
I'm inclined to view the Twitter stuff as non-canon, as Toby has said such things were non-canon in the past. Plus, there's a big difference between metaphor and plot.
I think people get that gaster quoat wrong He says "You have been searching for me" "I have as well" I believe gaster is saying that he is also searching for himself as he is shattered through time and space
it literally just means sound test mus_st_him it's also a final fantasy reference, in composition, and in the circumstances somewhat, because the whole soundtest thing feels dreamy.
It occurred to me, that Kris probably doesn't like who they are, so maybe this intro sequence is about Kris dreaming about who they want to be. Only to be cut off with brutal real life "No one chooses who they are in this world"
I think the theory of the soul belonging to the player can be taken as metaphorical. Geoff isn't literally taking your soul, you are putting your soul into the game by chosing to take part in it. This would also line up with the soul being a symbol of the player's influence, and the player being in control of ONLY the soul and not Kris. There is the issue that souls in Undertale are seemingly literal, and that separating one's physical soul from their body has happened in Undertale, but this may not be how things work in Deltarune as there are clearly differences in how these worlds work as monsters can now bleed
what if the thing that made spmton and jevil indane is htat geoff showe d a video of sans twerking. like showing all the details and in slow mo and jevil and spamton were straight so they were like aaaaaa and died
Didn't Chara already break the fourth wall in UNDERTALE by attacking the Player themselves, since the window shakes when they attack as if it was the target of their attack and the window seems to function as a conduit between the game and the player?
I think there is definitely a way for the soul to be ours without completely breaking immersion. Geoff could’ve created an artificial soul, and have us control it. It’s all done in-universe and accomplishes the same result of it being “our” soul.
Maybe he was using the "questionaire" at the beginning to approximate what our soul was gonna be like in order to create an artificial clone from our soul in the real world in-game as you said 🤔
@@schalomforever It would make sense. For example, he asks us to choose a gift to sus out what we value most, asks us how we feel about the vessel to see how compassionate we are, and "do you acknowledge the possibility of pain and seizure" is pretty self-explanatory.
Noelle not having anything to say to Kris after a Game Over could hints towards the future in the game. If Ralsei and Susie are with Kris in the future, but not Noelle, then it could make sense how she gets no special Game Over Dialogue.
This was amazing. Usually I watch Jaru videos in the background over time due to their length, but I watched this one in a single sitting, giving it my full attention. Thank you Jaru, for all of the work you put into youtube.
Regarding the soul in the intro being the player’s “soul”: In Toby Fox’s world, it is possible that “souls” are substantially different from souls in our world. Souls are physical objects in the fictional world, for one, and the act of us, the players, manifesting a soul when we open the game may be more “we are now committing to be emotionally invested in this story and that manifests as a “soul” in this world” and less “Toby Fox is claiming ownership of your irl soul”. Especially in Deltarune, with its themes of narrative and layers of fiction, a being from a world lighter than the Light World itself may have the ability to manifest a soul-like object from something less than their literal, actual soul. Not saying you have to believe that’s the “player’s “soul”” (read as: a heart-shaped object manifested from an irl player when they allow themselves to be emotionally invested in a story, also has strong ties to the themes of narrative, fiction, and control) originates from the player; it could very well be an in-game character’s physical soul. Just saying that if it does NOT come from an in-game character, that doesn’t mean Toby expects you to believe that your LITERAL SOUL is up for grabs.
There certainly could be a possibility that the Image_friend dude could possess spamton. When spamton in his shop said something like "can anyone hear me, help.." his eyes weren't colored in a similar way to the "friend's" eyes.
The “FRIEND” being related to Geoff parallels him and Flowey even more since they both spy on you and disappear very quickly if you walk to see them doing so. The fact that they share such a specific detail like that is convincing to me.
I honestly think FRIEND is flowey, Flowey is known to shapeshift his face into everything (not just humans and monsters) plus the basement is the only part of chapter 2 where you see foliage (probably vines) and the fact that Photochop Flowey is severely connected to machinery and wiring (probably more foreshadowing on AUDIO_DRONE theory) which could be related to his enviroment in chapter 2 wheres its set in a computer room in the library. and lastly for the fact that hes notorious for syping on the player in UNDERTALE
It'll be hilarious if we get a final battle with the Knight, and he declares himself to be called by several things, which he lists, including Gaster; then he concludes with: But you may call me GEOFF.
Ok wait I just had an idea. The connection between Flowey and Geoff has been made. What if Geoff has been following us like Flowey did in specific Undertale spots? The eggs, the one smile thing in the Queen’s basement, manipulation characters like Spamton. Totally could just not happen, but an idea. Also, I haven’t watched the entire video, if Jaru did say that, I’m not the at far yet.
""Geoff"" is my favorite Deltarune character (Seriously tho calling intro guy goeff so no one complains is genius and now I'm going to call him goeff has well)
I always interpreted "GALLERY" to mean Rouge's Gallery. A collection of foes/criminals. This song only plays when the two main chapter antagonists are, **arguably** at their most villanous. It just reminds me of that thing Toby said. About how he imagined Kris and the others running up the stairs past previous chapters bosses up to the knight. Running past their rouge's gallery, you might say
16:06 i always has the assumption that Deltarune is a virtual machine inside what ls basically your computer With the unused person stuck in the code being on the outside of the "game" on a higher level of abstraction closer to the player. :: shrug ::
it stands out to me how upon chapter 2 various menu elements (+ game over song) gets more "gamey", perhaps it has somehting to do with sealing the fountains, as the normal file select screen happens only after chapter 1's fountain is sealed?
You bringing up Kris's connection to "Courage" got me thinking. What if, like many believe, that red soul doesn't belong to Kris, and the reason they resist it so much is because it isn't even the right color? In Undertale, thanks to the golf mini game, the color orange (often associated with the orange soul) is associated with "Bravery". What if Kris's original soul was orange before it was replaced with this red one? Just a thought.
Regarding the Fallen Child's name: Toby Fox's doodles from development posted on his twitter (dated December 4, 2020 if anyone wants to double check) also refer to them by the name Chara. So it's not entirely fanon thought to be canon. Though yes, the name definitely comes from the term 'character'.
12:30 honestly this section just convinced me that whoever the person who deletes your goner character is the actual antagonist and judging the change in text and etc, it isnt "Geoff"
What this? A new jaru jaru video? On my birthday?! What are the odds! And it's a big hour long one about Gaster too. This is the best birthday gift i could have gotten! Thank you!
What if the Vessel was never actually discarded, but was actually the vessel for this "Geoff" entity? And the Dark crystals we collect are shards of this character?
What if Deltarune (the program on your desktop) is a program to control a soul that is no one's? Or just Kris' soul? Then all Geoff did was upload that program for people in the real world to control the soul in Deltarune's world. The soul doesn't need to be literally the player's actual soul for the soul to technically be "theirs"
I think that your interpretation is interesting, although I still think everyone is making some of these concepts too complicated. I think that Geoff summoned us (literally through the original link he posted on Twitter leading to the deltarune chapter 1 site) with the intention of creating a vessel for us to go into deltarune and stop the timeloop, but someone else stopped him and decided that it would be better to do this through Kris. It's possible in previous runs of the timeloop that Kris and Susie never enter a dark world or never become friends, and the roaring happens some other way, this person that might be working with Geoff could see an opportunity for the player to get more out of playing as Kris, as the vessel doesn't look fully human and it may be difficult for it to make friends with a monster and ralsei in order to fulfill the prophecy. I think the reason that Kris looks like they are struggling so much after removing the players soul is because the procedure of putting us inside of Kris was never tested, never supposed to happen even, and thus has changed Kris and their body, making it harder to function. It's possible that the vessel didn't already have a soul to begin with, and the player was meant to act as the only soul inhabiting it, but with Kris there was already an existing soul, think about how if you stretch a plastic bag to hold more than it can handle, when you remove half the stuff from the bag it's still stretched out.
"Before the story" was actually used in the "UNDERTALE - RUINS dynamic theme" for the playstation 4. It's only a background for your menu on PS4, but it could still be relevant to deltarune. Wait... "Before the story." Unused track in undertale.. Before deltarune. Before it's story. Was undertale.
My interpretation of the opening was that Gast- I mean 'Geoff', created an artificial soul for the player to control, and then he planted the artificial soul controlled by the player into Kris.
10:57 Unless you, as the player are allowing yourself to be absorbed into the story In this interpretation of events the soul is a symbol of how people in the real world use fiction to escape from the real world
Did you happen to look up Keygen before you made this video? Keygen is in reference to generating keys for steam, its often used to pirate games which leads to Toby making a song in Deltarune called Keygen to confuse searches for the game.
Oh also funfact The only unskippable dialogue IN THE ENTIRE GAME is another him intro sequence dialogue, death screen and that's all. Only Ga- Uh Geoff cannot be skipped. That shows he has power beyond the game, like us.
I have a personal interpretation that Faint courage is a continuation of sorts for Darkness falls, let me explain. Darkness falls has two main sections, let's call them section "a"(the first one) And section "b"(the second one). Faint courage also has two main sections, let's call them section "c"(the first one) and section "b"(the second one). If you pay attention, section b and section c are the same. Considering that the last part of Darkness falls and the first of Faint courage are the same, one could deduce that if every chapter has a different game over music, each game over music continue from where the last one left of. What I want to say is that I believe each next chapter will include a new game over song, and as I said before, each will continue from where last left of. *English is not my main language, so sorry if I said anything dumb nonsense or even confusing.
I'd agree with you on the whole "Geoff cannot drag real-world players' souls into the game" if it was Geoff actually *doing* the dragging. Geoff does nothing to force us to participate except contacting and persuading us. Geoff reached out. We, the players, are the ones who make the effort of connecting to the world of Deltarune by running the Survey Program. You are an individual, willing conspirator in Geoff's game. By installing Deltarune, you've consented to Geoff's terms. By participating in the fiction of Deltarune, you are, in a way, offering up your SOUL -- fitting for a game that's all ABOUT people's relationships with fiction/dark worlds. Remember what the game says in its installer. "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON." There isn't a single character that can diegetically read that text, except a being outside the story. In other words, it's meant for the player to see. Not Kris. Not Susie. Not Ralsei. But us.
Amazing video Jaru! You hit the nail right on the head when it comes to break the immersion. Like you said, Toby’s games don’t OUTRIGHT break the fourth wall, rather they take place in universes that function with rules that allows for meta commentary. With this in mind, Here’s my mini proposition of what Gaster “summoning” the player is meant to be. If Flowey is meant to parallel the player, maybe Geoff is meant to parallel the game developer himself, Toby. Instead of bringing the players soul, he instead essentially PROGRAMS a player controller and slaps that bad boy onto Kris’s soul. It’s similar to object oriented programming in game dev. Instead of re-programming movement for every NPC , you instead make a separate component and slap that code onto anything you want to have movement in game. Assuming Gaster didn’t make the ENTERITY of deltarune. (Which I personally don’t agree with) it kinda makes him more like a rom hacker or modder rather than a game dev. Which is a really cool idea when you consider how toby got into game development and his previous attitude towards dataminers when UNDERTALE first came out. Sorry for the info dump, This whole video got me brainstorming, Have a good night ❤
I really appreciate you making videos about this game, even though it's not new anymore. I love long form videos, especially ones theorizing about games, so this is right up my alley. Thank you for your work, you have gained a subscriber.
Great video as always! When it comes to my personal interpretation as to why Toby created Faint Courage I think I fall into the “there will be a new game over screen each chapter” category especially given that the chip tune instrumentation and pixel art “Game Over” kinda fit with the whole “cyber” theme of chapter two. He could just be doing it to spice things up, or perhaps it’s meant to symbolize how dying here would result in the Cyber World fountain specifically contributing to the Roaring, which could also apply to future versions of the theme. On another note, I’d like to offer a sort of middle ground option on the subject of what the soul summoned in the intro to the game is. My idea is this: the soul is not literally the players’ but is instead a conduit of sorts that allows us to connect to the world. As to who this soul belongs to, perhaps it simply belongs to the vessel that we create, as they do appear to be human. Of course I’m not entirely sure how this works given that we do seem make the vessel, and, according to Undertale at least, soul power cannot be created artificially. But, perhaps what’s actually happening in the intro is not us creating the vessel, but simply customizing their look and personality. After all the only physical features of theirs that we can change are their hair style, which can be easily changed, and whether their left leg or right leg appear to be bigger which could be contributed to the size of their pant leg instead. This idea suggests that the player is involved, but that the person in the intro does not do anything to us that we know is not actually happening.
I agree with your interpretation on that middle ground a lot. It's clear from both the twitter interactions and the ingame interactions that we are being interfaced with by Gaster, not forcibly pushed into the role. We don't have control over other characters or how certain events will happen, but we do have autonomy over ourselves continuing to play the game. That's where I differ from both hypotheticals. I don't think some non-meta ingame entity is controlling Kris because that would be boring and bash against some worldbuilding that's been established up to this point, nor do I think that the player's soul is directly in the game metaphorically because that's simply ludicrous. We are connecting to Gaster, Kris's soul, and the world of Deltarune of our own accord, and our actions are highlighted as such ingame. We can shut it off at any point, it's not a virus or unstoppable game that takes over our controls. If anything we're doing that to the game. But Gaster wants us to interface, which brings up a lot of unanswerable questions.
I think the soul belongs to the player, not in the sense that Geoff reached into the real world and grabbed the player's soul, but in the sense that Geoff took an in-universe soul and gave it to the player to use. So the soul belongs to the player, even though they aren't using it to stay alive and feel emotions. It's their in-universe vessel basically, what they control fundamentally, before Kris or their companions.
The geoff thing actually worked! There were so many moments where if you replaced the word geoff with gaster, i would've eyerolled reflexively, where with Geoff they flow naturally. I think the UT/DR community has instilled in me gasterphobia
Would I believe in some dude named Jeff abducting my soul to the deltarune universe? No. Would I believe in some dude named Geoff abducting Seoul to the deltarune universe? Yeos.
I think that the wallpaper of Kris, Susie and Ralsei near the fountain depicts the "Three heroes apear at worlds' edge and banish the angel's heaven" moment, the ending of DELTARUNE.
GEOFF transcending fiction to connect to the real world is kind of already canonical, and that's also true for Flowey Flowey, at the end of the pacifist route acknowledges you, the player, as someone capable of changing the world in which Frisk lives in, asking you to let Frisk live their own life. This implies that, in the philosophy of Undertale, the player's actions and decisions, which are carried out through a soul, are the player's own - making the soul theirs Of course, this becomes a lot more obvious with GEOFF in Deltarune when there is a connection through a soul which you have full control over. It makes sense that you'd consider it yours, the player's, especially since it exists prior to the creation of a vessel. Now, whether this soul is the player's or just a connection to the player's soul (through action), the fact of the matter is that you're stull making the decisions you are making, you are still immersed in that universe, and you are still answering the SURVEY_PROGRAM. If that soul doesn't represent your own, it is still acting as though it is that, and the fact that you're not doing anything else means that GEOFF has, indeed, established a real connection with your real soul. Another thing that we need to take into consideration is that Gaster is not in the Undertale universe, but somewhere in-between that and somewhere else. We still don't understand what that "somewhere else" means, but the very fact that a character exists outside of the game makes them meta by nature. They don't actually need a parallel, if they can potentially exist in (and out) of both games.
29:35. When they are downed, they are just exhausted to a point they can not longer fight. They can eat food items and get back up while downed, which could not happen if they were dead/unconscious. In addition, the Suzie and Kris poses could not possibly be preformed while inactive, as their body weight would cause they to fall over. As for the Noelle thing, she is shown to be timid and a bit shy. Alongside her low self worth I don't think she'd encourage Kris. What happens after a game over? I am guessing retreat, and a reload from Kris because he is upset he lost, but we don't know for sure. This feels more sound in my mind than "game over messages are from a different time." I am not saying you're theory is impossible, but just saying that the assumptions you formed on that being the only way the characters can speak is not really solid. No hate, just wanted to share my thoughts. 😀
That's certainly one way to interpret it, although if they're strong enough to eat, then you'd think they'd be strong enough to talk, which they can't seem to do. So, I disagree, but that's a valid interpretation.
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-Whoops, forgot Lancer also knows the Legend if you refuse to listen to Ralsei. Probably doesn't affect any of my Geoff conclusions, but figured I'd point it out.
-Before writing any comments that use Geoff's Twitter take-over as proof of him being "real," keep in mind that Toby has stated that tweets are non-canon.
-Geoff ruining the narrative by being "real" is not equivalent to our choices not mattering as a result of the timeloop. The former is bad because it tells us that DELTARUNE's characters don't matter. The latter is fine because it's a tragedy we experience alongside the characters.
Geoff was trying to convince not human monsters like Dess
I don't think Lancer knows the prophecy at all. He just says that all they gotta know is that he's the bad guy. Likely his dad the Kard King told him this.
Hear me out: Geoff is the Mystery Man from Undertale and also Gaster.
@@Brorcawho’s that at the end there? I only know about Geoff
haven't finished the video yet and will edit/delete my comment if you address it, but what if the soul is just an avatar that we are connecting to/represents us? Of course, that still conflates fiction with reality, but I feel like that would keep the metanarrative without breaking peoples suspension of belief. Kind of in a similar way that DDLC does it.
Never in my life did I think I would hear the words “Geoff transcending fiction to steal my soul”
Only in Deltarune.
It wouldn't be the first time a fictional character tried to do that
give it like 5 years and i guarantee some dude on the SCP wiki is going to write an article where this happens
Only in a jaru vid
can't believe people got mad at calling gaster "mystery man" when the sprite that everybody uses for gaster is LITERALLY CALLED "spr_mysteryman"
EDIT: also Geoff is the best name for deltarune gaster hands down
That was precisely the reason people didn't like that.
The reasoning was he wanted to avoid calling the voice Gaster, but then proceeded to call him a name that everyone already associates with Gaster anyways. I found that amusing but apparently some others didn't...
I can't believe he just called the voice Geoff, it's like he doesn't even believe in gaster. Also I acnt believe he just called him gaster before, everyone blames gaster for everything
"Please W.D. Gaster was my father, call me W.D. Geoff"
I guess they maybe me angry due to redacted but i dont really think so
why is it spelt like geoff and not jef or something
Theory: Gaster befriended Susie's mom just like Sans befriended Kris's mom
you meant Geoff?
His name is Geoff get it right
Bruh
@@thedude31752who knows? Maybe Gaster's full name is Geoff W.D. Gaster. The possibilities are endless
@@kimchi9698actually yeah that could still be possible
HELL YEAH! FINALLY A GEOFF THEORY FROM JARU!!!
My favorite part of Deltarune was when Cha- ...Cheff interrupted Geoff in the intro sequence. The community was in remiss.
@@cheatseychespin2792 they had never seen a syscall interrupt used like this!
HELL YEAH NEW GEOFF THEORY DROPPED
As a counterargument to Toby Fox not involving the actual player, I think that’s exactly what happens at the end of Undertale’s genocide route when you make a compromise with Chara to bring the world back and play the soulless route. They reference YOUR human soul and while I think that loses its effect if used too much, I think at the heart of these games that’s exactly the point. We ARE a part of the story as players and even though we didn’t actually commit murder, the emotions we feel are real and our connection to fiction that we allow ourselves to have creates very real impacts on our lives.
that was exactly my thoughts; i have a really hard time going with the train of thought that the fictional world doesn’t impact our world, bc like you said, that is the precedence that undertale set. not to mention that the soul in both games are more of a vessel for the player, regardless of if it belongs to kris/frisk or not
Haha… *heart* of the game… and you’re a heart-shaped soul. I’ll see myself out
Yeah but the point is that in-universe, the soul that is being sold to Chara is Frisk's.
That conversation is between Frisk and Chara.
In the soulless pacifist ending it's not my real body that gets possessed by Chara, it is Frisk's.
The player is there as a metaphor, Chara is a metaphor for certain players, Flowey is a metaphor for some other kind of players, but the point is that none of them are IN-UNIVERSE you.
It's just a softer kind of meta compared to some other games where some character straight up tells you "hey, I know this is a videogame".
@@godoatthegoat2884 you are saying that like its fact when its just an interpretation. especially since its pick and choose when you decide what benefits that view. such as flowey mentioning the one controlling frisk.
Right? Like it isn't saying he's bringing Deltarune to our real world, it's brining US (a player) into the video game world of Deltarune. That part of the theory bothered me so much 😂 And Gaster didn't steal our soul, he just used us (a PLAYER) as the new controller of Kris. Kris is now US but in the world of Deltarune. Our soul and choices are the only connection to our world and the Deltarune world. We can only impact the Deltarune world and Kris. Our choices matter to that world.
I don't think Geoff is implied to literally summon the player's SOUL, but rather that he summoned or created a SOUL-like method for the player to control in the world. That way, he acknowledges the player, but doesn't transcend beyond the fourth wall anymore than Sans facing the camera while it zooms in Undertale, or Flowey directly talking to us outside of the game.
It’s possible sans facing the camera is him looking at a camera Alphys put down, since he worked together with her, and would know where any camera is.
Its the Geoff brand soul substitute
Exactly, it's not _literally_ our soul, it's just a representation of us in universe that we can control. Kinda like a lesser vessel, supposedly originally meant to be put in the bigger vessel he had us make for him.
Wait, when is Sans facing the camera in Undertale? I don't remember that moment...
@@pysioglut literally his first scene
The soul isn’t the players actual soul, it’s a representation of the player. It’s what the player has control through, but not part of the player themself.
It could be the player's soul from Undertale
no geoff transcended the realm of my computer screen and extracted my soul to put it in the game
What if copy and paste
I personally believe Faint Courage exists to create a larger tonal dissonance between the normal game over and Gaster's "then the world was covered in darkness". The different and more somber feel of Darkness Falls becomes more unsettling when compared to the hopefulness of Faint Courage.
that's not Gaster it's Geoff
8:36 this is also confirmed to be written by Gaster because the in-game filename for it is "Room_Gaster" so it's definitely not just speculation
I feel like it's worth mentioning that KEYGEN is likely a reference to real life key generators. In real life, key generating websites that were used to unlock illegal copies of software and games, often used a song called "Unreal superhero 3". If you listen to both, KEYGEN sounds very similar.
I wish he actually looked up Keygen before making that section. He tries to tie it in not realizing that Keygen is actually just a thing for generating product keys.
@@naotohex It doesn't have to be one or the other, it could be both
It was also just an old ass meme Toby Fox was referencing. I don't think it has any serious implications.
It was also a bit in a youtube poop
I don't think the soul in the beginning being the "players" soul is too far fetched to say. Sure, "Geoff" didn't literally take his hand through my computer screen and pull me in, but we made CONTACT with him by installing the game and booting it up. In a meta sense we quite literally make contact with Geoff by installing deltarune itself. Atleast, thats what I think
And the soul being summoned, is supposed to be an in game representation of that
Metaphor and simile and non-canon shenanigans. I don't really consider any of that to be functional for a story. But that's just me.
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
Personally, I much rather believe that Geoff didn't summon us in the first place; we simply appeared, and he simply took that opportunity to speak with us and place us in a vessel.
I don't see why him establishing a connection with us to put the player in a soul of some kind would be far-fetched and immersion-breaking, but the implication (from the tweets from the Undertale account) that Geoff is fully aware of, and capable of navigating, a space beyond the confines of the game (he's been 'looking for us', remember) is not.
I have a feeling that the reason the Game Over screen changed is the same that got the file select menu changed.
They are both situations were the interface became less meta and more "gamey", and they could have happened at the same time.
I love how Toby has set such a precedent for everything in his work being deliberate that something as simple as a UI change sends massive ripples throughout potential theories
We've waited so long for this very moment... the Geoff has finally been addressed
WingDin Geoff Aster is in my walls.
Send help.
to play devil’s advocate, calling the voice ‘mystery man’ is basically the same as calling him gaster since the sprite everyone assumes to be gaster was named mystery man in the files
Just call him mystery guy then.
Geoff is better though so I will accept it.
@@Deertective_ geoff is the only correct choice here
i love how your theories always, without fail, make me go "jesus christ Jaru what the hell are you talking abou- oh, that actually kinda makes sense. nevermind"
I try. xD
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
cant the soul just be a conduit for our control as the player.
ah Geoff what a smart acronym as it obviously stands for:
Gaster
Entity
Or
Friendly
Fellow
you've done it again jaru!
You’re right
I think the soul in the intro scene might be artificial, synthetic in some way. It sounds like a logical extension of Gaster's research into souls, determination, and time-space.
I agree
A "device" to interact with the world of Deltarune, one might say.
Now people will start blaming Geoff for everything
Geoff got Woody’s roundup cancelled and made Woody go insane.
Geoff was the man behind the slaughter.
@@shadowbrine5998 Why hello there, old sport
The new Chara lol
Cheff*
Regarding AUDIO_INTRONOISE: I think it's noteworthy that this is one of the very few voicelines in Undertale and Deltarune. The most prevalent characters who speak audible words are Flowey, Jevil and Spamton, all of which have gained some kind of forbidden knowledge about their worlds. This could further hint at Gaster/Geoff having meta knowledge about the world of Deltarune.
(But then, there is also Mettaton who is able to audibly speak so idk. You could argue that since Mettaton is a machine with an injected soul, he did get knowledge outside the confines of being a machine. He is aware of physically being only a machine, in the same way that Flowey/Jevil/Spamton might be somewhat aware of being only characters in a video game. But I understand that this is a bit of a stretch.)
Indeed!
actually, Mettaton isn't a machine with an injected soul! he is simply a ghost possessing a robotic puppet. this is backed up by the diaries in "Nabstablook's cousin's house" which describe a person abandoning their family to ascend to stardom (at the help of Alphys), as well as Bratty's and Catty's dialogue discussing how after Mettaton was supposedly just made, MTT and Alphys were already acting like old friends. If you keep all this in mind and watch the events at the tail end of Mettaton's own bossfight, the first caller was obviously Nabstablook, Mettaton sure seemed to recognize them, and called out "Bl-" (presumably saying Blooky?) as the caller hung up. as the final nail in the coffin, Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew are described as eating ghost food together in the canon winter alarm clock dialogue.
in short, MTT and Alphys go out of their way to make the public think MTT is a robot with a soul, but that's just not true.
(if you want to you could use this as fuel for "Alphys lies and is a bad person", otherwise you could use it as fuel for "Alphys respects their friend's wishes and is a good person.)
sorry if this came across a a little overbearing or toxic. I know I've been seen that way before, and I genuinely mean this in the best way possible, trying to be as constructive as I can in disproving the spread of misinformation.
@@nathanielkershner5904 You're absolutely right! I somehow forgot about that when making the comment, thanks for pointing that out. I'd argue that claiming a soul was "injected" into a machine is still not completely wrong, as a ghost possessing a machine is just one way to "inject" one's soul into an object (while still being in control of course). But yeah, Mettaton's soul certainly belongs to Nabstablook's cousin and he is the one controlling Mettaton.
*OHHHHH YES!!*
omg jaru im so glad youre talking about Geoff, such an underrated forgotten deltarune character
It's possible that Geoff not necessary grabbed player's soul, but manifested/projected it into deltarune world
What if (and I have literally no evidence for this), the intro scene with the vessel is us "creating" "ralsei" in the master dark fountain, but it just ends up discarded and actually replaced by the ralsei we know in game? The background looks very much like a dark fountain, and with the "you're about to meet someone very interesting," line for Susie, Kris, and Noelle, I think it'd make sense that we're creating ralsei (or a prototype, before being taken over by someone else). Again, no actual evidence, purely speculation, but I think it would make for an interesting plot twist!
Interesting!
It's important to consider that Kris is interested in magic rituals and Asgore is heavily hinted to have occultist practices/secrets in his house and messing with the dark worlds. Like father, like son.
That would also draw in the idea that Ralsei is who Kris wanted to be. The one who Kris never could be, because "Nobody can choose who they are in this world."
34:31 the whole "ralsei's putting on a performance" thing has always been something i thought about in the back of my head, but the association with the 8-bit NES RPG-like music just makes it so much stronger, i never fully realized that until now great observation dude
Thank you!
I'm at the beggining of the video, and while I agree with your points regarding GEOFF not being able to summon your ACTUAL soul, I think the soul is more meant to serve as your metaphorical connection and influence over the game. The reason why a soul is chosen(especially the red, heart), in my theory, is that we, as the "player" are familiar with that imagery from UNDERTALE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the twitter tweets just before Deltarune's release mention stuff like "you have me waiting" or "I have been looking for you aswell", which would suggest that GEOFF is simply aware of the fact that the majority of people first experiencing this game were most awaiting something linking it to UNDERTALE, hence the way your connection to the world is represented. This is further supported by the fact that Toby Fox himself reccomends playing UNDERTALE before playing DELTARUNE
I'm inclined to view the Twitter stuff as non-canon, as Toby has said such things were non-canon in the past. Plus, there's a big difference between metaphor and plot.
I have to agree with this. The player is an entity in the universe as Chara is able to directly speak to us, not Frisk.
I think people get that gaster quoat wrong
He says
"You have been searching for me"
"I have as well"
I believe gaster is saying that he is also searching for himself as he is shattered through time and space
Geoff is best Deltarune character
Geoff is best boy.
In undertale gaster's theme is called ST_HIM
It can be a dual meaning of either
Soudtrack_him
Or saint him
Another evidence that gaster is the angel
Or soundtest
Or saint hymn if you wanna go an extra mile
I was thinking about that too
it literally just means sound test
mus_st_him
it's also a final fantasy reference, in composition, and in the circumstances somewhat, because the whole soundtest thing feels dreamy.
Erm, Satan
It occurred to me, that Kris probably doesn't like who they are, so maybe this intro sequence is about Kris dreaming about who they want to be. Only to be cut off with brutal real life "No one chooses who they are in this world"
I think the theory of the soul belonging to the player can be taken as metaphorical. Geoff isn't literally taking your soul, you are putting your soul into the game by chosing to take part in it. This would also line up with the soul being a symbol of the player's influence, and the player being in control of ONLY the soul and not Kris. There is the issue that souls in Undertale are seemingly literal, and that separating one's physical soul from their body has happened in Undertale, but this may not be how things work in Deltarune as there are clearly differences in how these worlds work as monsters can now bleed
what if the thing that made spmton and jevil indane is htat geoff showe d a video of sans twerking. like showing all the details and in slow mo and jevil and spamton were straight so they were like aaaaaa and died
Interesting idea!
Didn't Chara already break the fourth wall in UNDERTALE by attacking the Player themselves, since the window shakes when they attack as if it was the target of their attack and the window seems to function as a conduit between the game and the player?
I don't know about you, but I don't think anyone has been cut in real life by Chara Undertale after playing Genocide. xP
The window is as far as each side can reach.
I think there is definitely a way for the soul to be ours without completely breaking immersion. Geoff could’ve created an artificial soul, and have us control it. It’s all done in-universe and accomplishes the same result of it being “our” soul.
Maybe he was using the "questionaire" at the beginning to approximate what our soul was gonna be like in order to create an artificial clone from our soul in the real world in-game as you said 🤔
@@schalomforever It would make sense. For example, he asks us to choose a gift to sus out what we value most, asks us how we feel about the vessel to see how compassionate we are, and "do you acknowledge the possibility of pain and seizure" is pretty self-explanatory.
Noelle not having anything to say to Kris after a Game Over could hints towards the future in the game.
If Ralsei and Susie are with Kris in the future, but not Noelle, then it could make sense how she gets no special Game Over Dialogue.
Nah she's definitely important, she's got dialogue for future items and castle town
@righteous2k425 Noelle is consistently referred to as "angel" in snowgrave
This was amazing. Usually I watch Jaru videos in the background over time due to their length, but I watched this one in a single sitting, giving it my full attention. Thank you Jaru, for all of the work you put into youtube.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching! :D
❤
Regarding the soul in the intro being the player’s “soul”:
In Toby Fox’s world, it is possible that “souls” are substantially different from souls in our world. Souls are physical objects in the fictional world, for one, and the act of us, the players, manifesting a soul when we open the game may be more “we are now committing to be emotionally invested in this story and that manifests as a “soul” in this world” and less “Toby Fox is claiming ownership of your irl soul”. Especially in Deltarune, with its themes of narrative and layers of fiction, a being from a world lighter than the Light World itself may have the ability to manifest a soul-like object from something less than their literal, actual soul.
Not saying you have to believe that’s the “player’s “soul”” (read as: a heart-shaped object manifested from an irl player when they allow themselves to be emotionally invested in a story, also has strong ties to the themes of narrative, fiction, and control) originates from the player; it could very well be an in-game character’s physical soul. Just saying that if it does NOT come from an in-game character, that doesn’t mean Toby expects you to believe that your LITERAL SOUL is up for grabs.
There certainly could be a possibility that the Image_friend dude could possess spamton. When spamton in his shop said something like "can anyone hear me, help.." his eyes weren't colored in a similar way to the "friend's" eyes.
Hmm. Interesting.
Spamton looks the way he does in-game because he's wearing a poor disguise of swatch, so I doubt his eye colors hold any significance
only two minutes in and you're already making me want to replay Deltarune, Jaru
The “FRIEND” being related to Geoff parallels him and Flowey even more since they both spy on you and disappear very quickly if you walk to see them doing so. The fact that they share such a specific detail like that is convincing to me.
I honestly think FRIEND is flowey, Flowey is known to shapeshift his face into everything (not just humans and monsters) plus the basement is the only part of chapter 2 where you see foliage (probably vines) and the fact that Photochop Flowey is severely connected to machinery and wiring (probably more foreshadowing on AUDIO_DRONE theory) which could be related to his enviroment in chapter 2 wheres its set in a computer room in the library. and lastly for the fact that hes notorious for syping on the player in UNDERTALE
It'll be hilarious if we get a final battle with the Knight, and he declares himself to be called by several things, which he lists, including Gaster; then he concludes with: But you may call me GEOFF.
Ok wait I just had an idea. The connection between Flowey and Geoff has been made. What if Geoff has been following us like Flowey did in specific Undertale spots? The eggs, the one smile thing in the Queen’s basement, manipulation characters like Spamton. Totally could just not happen, but an idea. Also, I haven’t watched the entire video, if Jaru did say that, I’m not the at far yet.
Interesting idea!
Yet another intriguing and incredibly entertaining theory video! Can't wait for the next installment of The Geoff Files!
Thank you! :D
I don't know why no one else is talking about how the first 28 seconds of AUDIO_STORY is Premonition from the Undertale OST
You're right! What?! That's nuts! Great catch! :O
And premonition plays in a secret room with [REDACTED] sprite, so more connection to Geoff confirmed!
""Geoff"" is my favorite Deltarune character
(Seriously tho calling intro guy goeff so no one complains is genius and now I'm going to call him goeff has well)
"the gaster files"!? who's gaster? that guy kinda looks like geoff though doesn't he
No offense, but IMO calling the SURVEY_PROGRAM entity “Geoff” is quite possibly the worst name you could have chosen.
(This is a joke.)
*best name
**(dead serious)
I like Geoff
What's next?
-Chara- Cheff?
I always interpreted "GALLERY" to mean Rouge's Gallery. A collection of foes/criminals. This song only plays when the two main chapter antagonists are, **arguably** at their most villanous.
It just reminds me of that thing Toby said. About how he imagined Kris and the others running up the stairs past previous chapters bosses up to the knight.
Running past their rouge's gallery, you might say
Wow, that’s uh… My mind has been blown.
JaruJaru being a fellow before the story enjoyer puts a smile on my face
So glad to finally see a video on Geoff
Such an underrated character that deserves more respect
16:06 i always has the assumption that Deltarune is a virtual machine inside what ls basically your computer
With the unused person stuck in the code being on the outside of the "game" on a higher level of abstraction closer to the player.
:: shrug ::
it stands out to me how upon chapter 2 various menu elements (+ game over song) gets more "gamey", perhaps it has somehting to do with sealing the fountains, as the normal file select screen happens only after chapter 1's fountain is sealed?
You bringing up Kris's connection to "Courage" got me thinking. What if, like many believe, that red soul doesn't belong to Kris, and the reason they resist it so much is because it isn't even the right color? In Undertale, thanks to the golf mini game, the color orange (often associated with the orange soul) is associated with "Bravery". What if Kris's original soul was orange before it was replaced with this red one? Just a thought.
You might be onto something. I actually thought of that too lmao
Regarding the Fallen Child's name: Toby Fox's doodles from development posted on his twitter (dated December 4, 2020 if anyone wants to double check) also refer to them by the name Chara. So it's not entirely fanon thought to be canon. Though yes, the name definitely comes from the term 'character'.
I would like a video just about jaru just saying all the geoff parts in this video
12:30 honestly this section just convinced me that whoever the person who deletes your goner character is the actual antagonist
and judging the change in text and etc, it isnt "Geoff"
Yaaaas!!! Haven't watched the video yet, but I've been so excited for this to come out!
What this? A new jaru jaru video? On my birthday?! What are the odds! And it's a big hour long one about Gaster too. This is the best birthday gift i could have gotten! Thank you!
Happy Birthday! :D
@@JaruJaruJ Aw, thank you! :]
@@greengrapeguy70🎉🎈🎁🕯🍰🥳🍺👯♀️
Happy Birthday man. I hope it's a good one! 👍
@@lorrainebrunner2490 aw, thanks!
What if the Vessel was never actually discarded, but was actually the vessel for this "Geoff" entity?
And the Dark crystals we collect are shards of this character?
Shadow crystals*
@@koopatroopa6882 Thanks, I forgot the correct term, I only got one from the fight against Spamton. Never beat Jevil, like the noob I am.
What if Deltarune (the program on your desktop) is a program to control a soul that is no one's? Or just Kris' soul? Then all Geoff did was upload that program for people in the real world to control the soul in Deltarune's world. The soul doesn't need to be literally the player's actual soul for the soul to technically be "theirs"
Ooooh yessss im so excited for this new series!! Jaru makes such interesting theory/lore videos so an entire series on Gaster is just.. such a treat.
it's Geoff, stupid
Love the content Jaru, keep it up, this stuff was so nice to listen on a long drive, thanks for calling us listeners out and accommodating!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it! x)
Your intros get more and more monotone with each video, I love it!
I think that your interpretation is interesting, although I still think everyone is making some of these concepts too complicated. I think that Geoff summoned us (literally through the original link he posted on Twitter leading to the deltarune chapter 1 site) with the intention of creating a vessel for us to go into deltarune and stop the timeloop, but someone else stopped him and decided that it would be better to do this through Kris. It's possible in previous runs of the timeloop that Kris and Susie never enter a dark world or never become friends, and the roaring happens some other way, this person that might be working with Geoff could see an opportunity for the player to get more out of playing as Kris, as the vessel doesn't look fully human and it may be difficult for it to make friends with a monster and ralsei in order to fulfill the prophecy. I think the reason that Kris looks like they are struggling so much after removing the players soul is because the procedure of putting us inside of Kris was never tested, never supposed to happen even, and thus has changed Kris and their body, making it harder to function. It's possible that the vessel didn't already have a soul to begin with, and the player was meant to act as the only soul inhabiting it, but with Kris there was already an existing soul, think about how if you stretch a plastic bag to hold more than it can handle, when you remove half the stuff from the bag it's still stretched out.
"Before the story" was actually used in the "UNDERTALE - RUINS dynamic theme" for the playstation 4.
It's only a background for your menu on PS4, but it could still be relevant to deltarune.
Wait... "Before the story."
Unused track in undertale..
Before deltarune. Before it's story.
Was undertale.
My interpretation of the opening was that Gast- I mean 'Geoff', created an artificial soul for the player to control, and then he planted the artificial soul controlled by the player into Kris.
Or Geoff is giving the player control over Kris' soul
10:57
Unless you, as the player are allowing yourself to be absorbed into the story
In this interpretation of events the soul is a symbol of how people in the real world use fiction to escape from the real world
Metaphor/Thematic reading is very different from Plot/Canon readings.
We need to appreciate jaru more.
Him listing the audio files for people that arent looking + Geoff are just amazing
You're too kind. x)
@@JaruJaruJ not as much as you dude!
Did you happen to look up Keygen before you made this video? Keygen is in reference to generating keys for steam, its often used to pirate games which leads to Toby making a song in Deltarune called Keygen to confuse searches for the game.
I'm so excited for this ! Thank you so much Jaru!!!
My pleasure!!
Oh also funfact
The only unskippable dialogue IN THE ENTIRE GAME is another him intro sequence dialogue, death screen and that's all. Only Ga- Uh Geoff cannot be skipped. That shows he has power beyond the game, like us.
Been waiting for this one!
I have a personal interpretation that Faint courage is a continuation of sorts for Darkness falls, let me explain.
Darkness falls has two main sections, let's call them section "a"(the first one) And section "b"(the second one).
Faint courage also has two main sections, let's call them section "c"(the first one) and section "b"(the second one).
If you pay attention, section b and section c are the same.
Considering that the last part of Darkness falls and the first of Faint courage are the same, one could deduce that if every chapter has a different game over music, each game over music continue from where the last one left of.
What I want to say is that I believe each next chapter will include a new game over song, and as I said before, each will continue from where last left of.
*English is not my main language, so sorry if I said anything dumb nonsense or even confusing.
I'd agree with you on the whole "Geoff cannot drag real-world players' souls into the game" if it was Geoff actually *doing* the dragging. Geoff does nothing to force us to participate except contacting and persuading us.
Geoff reached out. We, the players, are the ones who make the effort of connecting to the world of Deltarune by running the Survey Program. You are an individual, willing conspirator in Geoff's game.
By installing Deltarune, you've consented to Geoff's terms. By participating in the fiction of Deltarune, you are, in a way, offering up your SOUL -- fitting for a game that's all ABOUT people's relationships with fiction/dark worlds.
Remember what the game says in its installer. "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON." There isn't a single character that can diegetically read that text, except a being outside the story. In other words, it's meant for the player to see.
Not Kris. Not Susie. Not Ralsei.
But us.
Amazing video Jaru! You hit the nail right on the head when it comes to break the immersion. Like you said, Toby’s games don’t OUTRIGHT break the fourth wall, rather they take place in universes that function with rules that allows for meta commentary. With this in mind, Here’s my mini proposition of what Gaster “summoning” the player is meant to be. If Flowey is meant to parallel the player, maybe Geoff is meant to parallel the game developer himself, Toby. Instead of bringing the players soul, he instead essentially PROGRAMS a player controller and slaps that bad boy onto Kris’s soul. It’s similar to object oriented programming in game dev. Instead of re-programming movement for every NPC , you instead make a separate component and slap that code onto anything you want to have movement in game. Assuming Gaster didn’t make the ENTERITY of deltarune. (Which I personally don’t agree with) it kinda makes him more like a rom hacker or modder rather than a game dev. Which is a really cool idea when you consider how toby got into game development and his previous attitude towards dataminers when UNDERTALE first came out. Sorry for the info dump, This whole video got me brainstorming, Have a good night ❤
Thank you! And that's an interesting proposition!
The bit in AUDIO_STORY before the Undertale theme kicks in is the same theme that plays in the hidden room from Undertale with the [RECACTED] sprite.
OH SHIT!! OK I didn't know that, that's actually pretty hype ngl.
The gags in this video were amazing, thank you Jaru, keep on keeping on!
Thanks! xD
The thought of Gaster walking out of the screen like in that horror movie and making random streamers fall of their chairs fills me with determination
All these theories keep me hyped for the next chapters of deltarune, keep up the good work!
Glad you like them!
I really appreciate you making videos about this game, even though it's not new anymore. I love long form videos, especially ones theorizing about games, so this is right up my alley. Thank you for your work, you have gained a subscriber.
Glad you like them! And thank you very much!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEO! I bet it is going to be a wonderful time listening to it
Great video as always! When it comes to my personal interpretation as to why Toby created Faint Courage I think I fall into the “there will be a new game over screen each chapter” category especially given that the chip tune instrumentation and pixel art “Game Over” kinda fit with the whole “cyber” theme of chapter two. He could just be doing it to spice things up, or perhaps it’s meant to symbolize how dying here would result in the Cyber World fountain specifically contributing to the Roaring, which could also apply to future versions of the theme.
On another note, I’d like to offer a sort of middle ground option on the subject of what the soul summoned in the intro to the game is. My idea is this: the soul is not literally the players’ but is instead a conduit of sorts that allows us to connect to the world. As to who this soul belongs to, perhaps it simply belongs to the vessel that we create, as they do appear to be human. Of course I’m not entirely sure how this works given that we do seem make the vessel, and, according to Undertale at least, soul power cannot be created artificially. But, perhaps what’s actually happening in the intro is not us creating the vessel, but simply customizing their look and personality. After all the only physical features of theirs that we can change are their hair style, which can be easily changed, and whether their left leg or right leg appear to be bigger which could be contributed to the size of their pant leg instead. This idea suggests that the player is involved, but that the person in the intro does not do anything to us that we know is not actually happening.
I agree with your interpretation on that middle ground a lot. It's clear from both the twitter interactions and the ingame interactions that we are being interfaced with by Gaster, not forcibly pushed into the role. We don't have control over other characters or how certain events will happen, but we do have autonomy over ourselves continuing to play the game. That's where I differ from both hypotheticals. I don't think some non-meta ingame entity is controlling Kris because that would be boring and bash against some worldbuilding that's been established up to this point, nor do I think that the player's soul is directly in the game metaphorically because that's simply ludicrous. We are connecting to Gaster, Kris's soul, and the world of Deltarune of our own accord, and our actions are highlighted as such ingame. We can shut it off at any point, it's not a virus or unstoppable game that takes over our controls. If anything we're doing that to the game. But Gaster wants us to interface, which brings up a lot of unanswerable questions.
I think the soul belongs to the player, not in the sense that Geoff reached into the real world and grabbed the player's soul, but in the sense that Geoff took an in-universe soul and gave it to the player to use. So the soul belongs to the player, even though they aren't using it to stay alive and feel emotions. It's their in-universe vessel basically, what they control fundamentally, before Kris or their companions.
Jaru I love your videos!! I have been bingeing your deltarune theory videos for the first time and I love them so much!
Thank you! :D
So glad to have another video to watch
The geoff thing actually worked! There were so many moments where if you replaced the word geoff with gaster, i would've eyerolled reflexively, where with Geoff they flow naturally. I think the UT/DR community has instilled in me gasterphobia
Brilliant! I will continue to refer to him as such then! It's clearly healthy for the community. xD
what are you gonna do when gaster is actually a part of the narrative?
Your channel is perfect for satiating my never ending hunger for deltarune. Thankyou Jaru these videos are awesome 🙃
Glad you like them!
YEAAAAAH, NEW JARU VIDEO
So hyped, so hyped! Commenting for the algorithm before I forget!
Would I believe in some dude named Jeff abducting my soul to the deltarune universe? No.
Would I believe in some dude named Geoff abducting Seoul to the deltarune universe? Yeos.
I think that the wallpaper of Kris, Susie and Ralsei near the fountain depicts the "Three heroes apear at worlds' edge and banish the angel's heaven" moment, the ending of DELTARUNE.
Yessss sirrrr. New upload
every time i watch one of your videos my interest in deltarune and its universe, music and characters just continues to grow
That's awesome! :D
people are so tired of gaster theories they're literally ignoring near confirmed facts about him being the intro voice
whenever you said Geoff, I was imagining the mystery man sprite with a comically large pair of glasses, nose, and mustache
Brilliant. xD
It's a good day when Jaru uploads
GEOFF transcending fiction to connect to the real world is kind of already canonical, and that's also true for Flowey
Flowey, at the end of the pacifist route acknowledges you, the player, as someone capable of changing the world in which Frisk lives in, asking you to let Frisk live their own life.
This implies that, in the philosophy of Undertale, the player's actions and decisions, which are carried out through a soul, are the player's own - making the soul theirs
Of course, this becomes a lot more obvious with GEOFF in Deltarune when there is a connection through a soul which you have full control over. It makes sense that you'd consider it yours, the player's, especially since it exists prior to the creation of a vessel. Now, whether this soul is the player's or just a connection to the player's soul (through action), the fact of the matter is that you're stull making the decisions you are making, you are still immersed in that universe, and you are still answering the SURVEY_PROGRAM. If that soul doesn't represent your own, it is still acting as though it is that, and the fact that you're not doing anything else means that GEOFF has, indeed, established a real connection with your real soul.
Another thing that we need to take into consideration is that Gaster is not in the Undertale universe, but somewhere in-between that and somewhere else. We still don't understand what that "somewhere else" means, but the very fact that a character exists outside of the game makes them meta by nature. They don't actually need a parallel, if they can potentially exist in (and out) of both games.
29:35. When they are downed, they are just exhausted to a point they can not longer fight. They can eat food items and get back up while downed, which could not happen if they were dead/unconscious. In addition, the Suzie and Kris poses could not possibly be preformed while inactive, as their body weight would cause they to fall over. As for the Noelle thing, she is shown to be timid and a bit shy. Alongside her low self worth I don't think she'd encourage Kris.
What happens after a game over? I am guessing retreat, and a reload from Kris because he is upset he lost, but we don't know for sure. This feels more sound in my mind than "game over messages are from a different time." I am not saying you're theory is impossible, but just saying that the assumptions you formed on that being the only way the characters can speak is not really solid. No hate, just wanted to share my thoughts. 😀
That's certainly one way to interpret it, although if they're strong enough to eat, then you'd think they'd be strong enough to talk, which they can't seem to do. So, I disagree, but that's a valid interpretation.
I cant wait for geoff the knight to show up in-game in chapter 7
excited to watch
Another banger as usual