Carbon Fiber Barrel Comparison - Part 2
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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I cut rifling for Proof. While I am bound by certain nondisclosure and confidentiality agreements, I can say that the resin matters. We have an Advanced Composite Research division in Ohio that keeps us on leading edge of this technology. Our resins can take more heat than any other resin on the market, and this helps with heat dissipation. Secondly, the barrels are turned so that the exterior surface looks like threads on a bolt. This acts as fluting, by decreasing weight and increasing surface area, and is done to give the resin more area to set so that the carbon fiber wind doesn't move or shift. Combined with a non-compromising Quality Control routine, we really feel this makes Proof Research the industry leader in this technology, and we have a bunch of people who really care about keeping it that way and being the best at their jobs. This is also why we are the largest cut rifling barrel manufacture in the world. Cut rifling induces less molecular stress on the bore than button or cold hammer forging. Every detail matters to us and everything we do is for a reason; we want to be the best.
Just purchase a pr15 in 14.5. What's your thoughts on pinning the gas block on this particular barrel? I want this ar to be "duty" use focused, not a range toy.
Thanks for these! Super informative! As a mathematician with a physics degree, you’re the only one I’ve watched that got the physics right! Great job and it helped encourage me to purchase a carbon fiber barrel!
Very interesting video! As an aside, fluted barrel heat has two sides to it. While fluting certainly increases the surface area and heat dissipation, it also allows the metal to heat more rapidly.
A carbon fiber barrel review isn't where I thought I'd find a fellow crew chief (albeit my career pales in comparison, like middle school Football vs College). Thanks for what you've done and are doing. Subbed.
It is four years later, and we have Springfield Armory 2020 Waypoint using BSF carbon fiber barrel for an outstanding bolt action rifle. AR308W in 6.5 CM BSF barrel 24".
Each barrel has it's advantages and disadvantages people just seem to jump to one because they hear it's the best one out there without looking at the statistics and figuring out what they want. I'm a Christensen arms fan personal because I know the founder and my grandpa taught him in 6 grade so I know they make quality but I'm sure the other companies make good barrels too.
I appreciate your time, expertise and humor putting this video together. Thank you!
Cryogenic treatment of the barrel blanks would even out harmonic variation in case you are unfamiliar with this technology. Kreiger Barrels does this to their barrel blanks before machining.
Dude you make some of the best videos I’ve watched and you’ve quickly become one of my favorites. Keep up the good work brotha.
Thanks bud!
Hey Fitty, excellent 2 part video. Just one point to bring up about carbon fiber or any composite material for that matter... What you said about the assembly of the BSF barrel may be true for how that company assembles, but if that's the case it's not a great thing... Composite materials are asymmetric in loading strength, they're excellent in tension and poor under compression. Stiffness of any cantilever (in this case a barrel) say from bending downward is the resistance of the top surface to tension and the resistance of the bottom layer to compression. Carbon composites are so strong under tension that there's virtually no give and you don't need the bottom layer to resist compression, but if you pre-compress that composite structure(top and bottom evenly) you've reduced the strength by giving the super strong top layer some "slack."
Alex S glad you liked it and thank you for adding more insight into my amateur explanation!
I have a Dracos barrel in 223 Wylde I’m just waiting for some more parts to complete the build. Thanks for this series and NSDQ.
NSDQ!
Clear and precise.
Excellent technical description. Thank you. Mark.
No problem bud!
Very concise and well-illustrated video on the theory, similarities and differences between all the barrel jacket makers. I think Proof Research gets my vote. This is sue to the "Maypole" way they criss-cross their carbon fiber strands.
I have SWIX Norwegian made carbon fiber cross country racing ski poles wrapped in this exact manner and they are STIFF! No energy is wasted bending the pole, it all goes downing the packed snow of the track. And they are sooo light.
BTW I also have a Norwegian made HELLE laminated blade hunting knife that is insanely sharp. This is due to the high carbon, chrome moly center laminate that forms the edge material. Love this knife but they are a bit spendy. Lots of styles but I prefer the GT model and its high quality leather sheath.
Still waiting for the carbon fiber barrels to be offered for an AR-15 pistol in 300 AAC. Something around 8.5".
Damn. Respect for your knowledge and explanation 👍🏻
No problem bud!
Your 2 part video was good. I bought a Dracos 22" 6.5 creedmoor barrel after watching both parts. The worst it's shot with junk ammo is 1.5moa and the best is .75moa at 200 yards so far I'm only 35 rounds into breaking it in. There was no wind and the shooting was off a bench with heavy bags and good support.
For the price the barrel is more accurate then most cheaper barrels i've bought (sometimes you get really lucky with a cheap barrel). However the barrel has such little whip i don't lose my line through the scope until 24x magnification. I'm very happy with it and would recommend. Maybe as it breaks in I could get towards .5 moa? Maybe not, idk. What I can say is it dosen't care if its 120 grain sst, 140 berger, or 147eldx, they all shoot very similarly.
Wow, that's seriously outstanding. Can't wait to get mine.
The barrel made with Unicorn Jizz has gotta shoot that sort of moa.
the proof research barrel is worth every penny
Thanks for the video. I'm getting a BSF barrel and hopefully it'll be as accurate as it claims to be!
What has been your experience with the bsf barrel? I’ve been thinking about getting one but seen some concerting comments on performance.
Only problem I see with the BSF barrel is the possibility of deforming the bore from the tension applied cause a slight stretch to the barrel.
I'm working on a way to make a graphene wrapped barrel. I believe it's the future of barrel technology.
Sounds interesting! It also sounds expensive lol
@@FittyACTUAL yes, it does seem to be expensive. Though the properties of graphene seem to be very attractive for barrels. I know of defense contractors also working on this. Right now I'm trying to figure out the best way to encorporate the graphene onto the barrel.
@@Gonzo.S.Thompson will you use a steel barrel blank to wrap, because I have thought of a unique way to drill the bore that would be more accurate than traditional.
You definitely need more subscribers.Count me in! Very clear and knowledgeable explanations, and this is precisely the kind of video I need while doing research for my next build. Thank you sir!
Glad you subscribed and glad you like the content bud!
Update on mine...
Went to the range today to break it in according to their spec and also to sight my Brownells 5-25x56 MPO in. I'll have more later, but long story short, it performed very well and I believe if the human element were taken out, with proper ammo, this LR-308 BSF Creedmoor 6.5 based build is capable of .5 MOA (I saw just at 1.125" my last 8 rounds, but that was on me mostly).
Nice bud!
That 15T life breh, good shit. Been living that life for almost 9 years now....
Good stuff! We used to be called 67T back in the day.....im old... lol
I just found your channel and based on part 1 and 2 I have subbed. Very nice vids with good graphic explanations of what you are saying. I'm building a dream gun ( will remain a dream until I can afford it ) and looking into carbon fiber wrapped barrels. I hope to build a 7mm-08 AR at some point and enjoying the learning process as I research. Thanks again for detailed videos.
Grey
excellent info and your production value is world class! subbed
YES, ive been waiting for part 2, i actually wrapped my own barrel in carbon fiber with graphite
Nice!
Lol and well done production quality sir. Thanks for your excellence
Aaron Russell glad you liked it!
From a fellow tango love the vids. Keep it up bro.
I got all three barrels, I'd say my first choice is dracos, 2nd proof research and 3rd is Christensen arms! But the dracos is on the heavy side and its pretty pricey, but you'll get what you paid for! lifetime warranty and super accurate! @fitty got me into CA 6.5 creedmoor on Ar10 platform
kenneth robles if you don’t mind can you explain why you ranked them as such?
Great video, thanks! I'm very pleased with my BSF barrel so far. I'm next going to work up a bunch of test loads and see exactly how accurate I can get this 16" barrel
dennist3hmenace sweet, glad you liked the video!
Cool vid, I'm considering a BSF, very informative.
FWIW I don't think the tuning of the cartridge to the node really makes sense. I've heard several people say that but the logic is off to me as MV can very quite a bit even with an otherwise identical cartridge. The level of fouling and most of all the temps can swing MV by large margins. If a load was tuned to the node then it would only be consistent at one temperature.
Love your videos sir I was waiting for this 1. Thanks
Yes the dracos barrel is licensed under teludyne.
I figured as much but I didn't want to put my foot in my mouth...lol
Fitty% I had asked them not too long ago.
I'm going to be putting a bsf barrel in my christensen arms ar-15. I got the steel barrel version and want to upgrade also bsf barrels are much lighter than the other 2 brands.
excellent video man, you should look into narrating audio books as a side gig
lol
Missing a huge factor with bsf. Machining the barrel after boring the rifling can and will add heat to the steele. In a world where a thousand of an inch is a big deal and button filling vs single point cut rifling makes a difference do you want to risk a bit of warping?
I just ordered one of these barrels. It's a 24.5" Creedmoor 6.5 fluted one. I'll give a full review of it once it arrives, is spec'd out, assembled, "broken in" and range tested. I've chatted with BSF a few times (really good customer service BTW) and like the product. One concern I do have is that as heat is added to the barrel, it will, slightly, length due to expansion. That will cause the stretching effect to be lessened somewhat. Will that impact the amplitude of the cycle enough to harm accuracy? I will find out! Cold though, these, should, be exceptionally accurate. I'll do both fast (less than 5 seconds slow down between shots) and slow (one minute cool down between shots) to see how the barrel reacts.
Interested on your Hot barrel test results - I am looking at purchasing 6.5PRC Waypoint 2020 with BSF Carbon barrel or go with the fluted S/S . Used for Hunting and Sporting Hunter division range shoots in Australia i.e. 10 to 15 shot groups when on range.
Thanks.
thank you very much for the research you have put in, it will be useful for my quest to choose between the three composite barrels
No problem!
Lol politicians, their bullshit, and a great barrel review. Would like to see some heat tests on the barrels if you get a chance. Thanks for your hard work during your time in from one army vet to another (along with the endless bullshit we put up with!)
These videos are great
Glad you like them!
Great Video Thanks
Maybe the media in the dracos barrel acts like the beads in a dead blow hammer? Mitigating the severity of the harmonic wave ?
5 Shot Group for that to be the case it would still need to be fluid. Its more like encasing it in a rigid epoxy resin.
Fitty% yeah, that won't work then.
very nicely done thank you.
And your videos were both very informative and educational!! Great job on them. So, are you saying that between BSF and Proof Research, BSF, would be the better bet?? Just wanted clarification because that’s my next route to building a 300 blackout. Thank you very very much!!
I think the Proof wrapped barrel is stiffer than the tensioned BSF barrel and may get tighter groups. There is the small possibility that the carbon fiber may de-laminate (small separations between the cf and barrel) but that's a small chance.
Good video
Hello. I watched your part one, and unfortunately just caught on in this video, what you were saying. Are you saying that BSF, is the better route to go with than Proof Research?? Thank you and thank you for your timely response
Lmao @ the Jesus nut comment as I used to be a rotor head in the Air Force on the Sikorsky CH-53J and MH-60A and G models.
Its been 5 years ..... what are your long term thoughts on the BSF vs Proof Research carbon fiber barrels? Which one seems to handle heat/high rates of fire better? Which one seems to be more accurate? And the thing I'm most interested in, which one seems more durable? Have you shot out either of the barrels yet? Or both? Really wondering which one will send more rounds down range before needing replaced.
I honestly dont think I'll ever shoot enough to wear out a barrel, but I have shot each barrel enough times to have an opinion. The best "bang for your buck" would be BSF and I also believe the BSF barrel might outlast the others due to more steel material for the barrel remaining. In coming out with a "covid build" for a precision .223 wylde using a BSF barrel. Im also going to come out with another CF barrel video to include one from Wolfpack Armory.
@@FittyACTUAL awesome info, thank you for the reply! I had no idea the BSF has thicker steel walls, but it makes sense since the CF isn't adding any "burst strength" due to the air pocket. Good to hear that they're plenty durable though!
One last question, do you think fluted or nonfluted? Seems like the concensus is that fluted cools faster but also heats up faster. Plus fluted is apparently less rigid due to there being less material. As long as it wouldn't be detrimental to the reliability of a defense/SHTF rifle, I'd probably go fluted just bc it looks cool lol.
@Refined Randy when it comes to a BSF fluted barrel there's still a lot of steel left for the barrel to retain rigidity. Plus the tensioning of the steel barrel from the carbon tube adds more rigidity. Fluting adds more surface area for cooling but the steel will still only heat up at the same rate as a non fluted barrel.
@@FittyACTUAL awesome, fluted BSF it is! Thank you for helpful replies brotha, I appreciate it! Your channel is painfully underrated, it'd be cool to see it really take off, keep it up!
Excellent video. How is the accuracy of your BSF as compared to the Proof barrel? I really want a Helix 6 Precision barrel but that’s just because they are local to me and I’m always attracted to things with a Rolls Royce price tag…
The BSF and Proof barrels are closely comparable but I think the Proof is stiffer than the BSF making it a bit more accurate.
Just love your bitchen vlogs & your details are great ! thank you so very much !
steve golden I'm glad you like my content bud!
Thank you for this wonderful information. Unfortunately I am still not sure which barrel to go for. One of the issues that confuses me is that carbon fiber barrels reduces the weight which sounds good, but also I know that reduction of weight can increase the recoil and harmonic. I am not quite sure till now which choice if carbon fiber barrels is best to maintain a good accuracy, less heat, low recoil and low weight especially that I am going to .338 lapuaMag. I have to find the right one that gives a fair companion of all 4 factors. I can't sacrifice recoil for weight or weight for recoil forexample. I have to find a barrel that doesn't sacrify any of them but not necessarily have perfection in one factor. I would really appreciate your advice on that if you have came to more knowledge about them. Thank you
WW 34 carbon fiber will decrease the harmonics on the barrel making each shot very accurate even when the barrel is hot. Bsf is the way to go. Now for recoil that will come down to you
Been curious about the carbon wrapped barrels and you answered a lot of questions. Now I have to figure if they are really worth that much more than a Bartlein, Krieger, or Hart.
If you hand load and tune the round to your barrel as much as possible a Bartlett, Lilja, Krieger etc should be competitive with the carbon fiber reinforced barrels. If this wasn't the case everyone in the Precision Rifle Series would be using them, but thats not the case.
how durable are these barrels to heat and rapid fire
Ur videos are sick af
Thank you!
160th Blackhawk in the beginning?
Joseph Leinhauser yes, I retired out if the 160th in 2010.
NSDQ!
are proof barrels better than a traditional steel barrel? i just picked up a q Fix and was wondering if its worth it to get the proof barrel?
I'd say it's definitely worth it!
@@FittyACTUAL is it really a huge upgrade or slightly?
@@reapering125 I'd say it's a significant upgrade going from a SS barrel, but look at the newish barrels from Dracos too.
@@FittyACTUAL i like the dracos barrels but they dont make them for the q fix
Hand loading to tune a cartridge to correspond to a rifle node suggests you have a way to measure that frequency. What meters are you using to do that analysis or are you just testing different loads to see what's most accurate in your rifle? As an example, two otherwise identical rifles may like different types of ammunition. Are you saying to get the most rigid barrel possible and then experiment to see what ammo does best, or are you proposing some more scientific method that literally measures vibration in the barrel?
Xandrosi I'm not going that far. All that's needed is to test various loads to get the tightest groups.
Thank you for responding. I'm brand new to precision shooting and am trying to learn what qualities translate into precision. Reading and watching UA-cams to learn what and why.
Xandrosi ladder testing is easy and tells all
Well I bought the BSF, hope I like it.
You should bud!
Like #999 checking in.
I want to find where I can get a carbon fiber tube. Any suggestions
www.rockwestcomposites.com/round-tubing/carbon-fiberglass-tubing?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIib7tiOjE5wIVCYizCh04HQCCEAAYASAAEgJCnPD_BwE
@@FittyACTUAL yeah. This is what Im looking for. Thank you.
Do all these manufacturers stated in this video guarantee sub moa accuracy.? I'm looking for an Ar10 barrel and would like to know. I know it has alot to do with the bolt and loads used.
Yes I believe they do.
@@FittyACTUAL I know proof research guarantees 1/2 moa. Not sure of the others?
@@rkwjunior2298 the other will or should be under 1 MOA.
Thanks for your very informative video!! Between me and my buddies we’ve tried proof, benchmark, and Christiansen. All great barrels and imho, great customer service as well. Just a heads up for others, we’ve recently tried carbon six, ordered a couple from Gene Gordon. Before he got our money and order placed, he was responsive and great. But after we placed order and receive messed up barrels, he became an asshole and refused to make things right. Excuses after excuses and I still got a fuked up barrel and he hasn’t made anything right. Just heads up to the shooting community. Beware of this company. Their barrels are poor quality and customer service even worst. Do Not buy from them, go with proof or benchmark those are my 1 and 2 choice. Christiansen in 3rd.
Are 30 second intros really necessary?
Mr NiceKnife maybe? lol
Are smart a comments really necessary? Not your video so your opinion doesn’t means jack squat
Am I too late to react to this comment?
sad to know that your channel may soon be against youtube policies.
Awesome! Will there be a part 3?
Still waiting for Part III?
Haha clinton
Hi, any idea how hells canyon does there's?
Haven't heard of them, but buy looking at them they're very similar to the Christensen Arms barrels. The Proof and BSF barrels are most likely better.
The intro song louder then your
Louder than my what?
NSDQ! RANGE29?
Not sure if it was 29 or not. I forget where I got the footage from, NSDQ!
kill the background music.
Sorry, but this video had already been finalized. My audio levels are better in newer videos, but some might have higher background music when watching on a mono audio source like a cellphone.
its all good. I am about deaf and any background noise really messes with me. good vid tho. got a question, what is the weight savings on one of these carbon barrels compared to a regular one.
@@kencaton6377 a couple pounds or so.
Hey, before the screwtube gun video ban hits. Find a new place to post so we can see your videos. Let us know!
Ty Mansfield I will bud!