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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2022
- We got a chance to attend the release of the all new Ford Pro 2023 Transit Trail™ van. With standard and features like a 3.5-inch increase in ride height over the base Transit™ van, larger all-terrain tires, improved approach angle, slider style steps, an optional roof vent fan and more. The Transit Trail™ is a great base for DIYers and van builders alike to build their next adventure van. Learn more about the Transit Trail™ here: www.fordupfits.com/recreation...
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SURE; Order today and in 3 Years you may take delivery; My van has been on order for over a year! THEY CAN'T DELIVER!!!!!
Ray Isles. Please read and consider.
I love it! But I wish the dual alternators were standard. Maybe in the following years Ford can start offering solar on the roof, a 4 season insulation package, bug screens for the side and rear doors, and interior anchor points, so if someone just wanted to throw their camping gear in there... like a cot/mattress, a sleeping bag, a chest style refrigerator/freezer, a camping stove, a portable heater, a portable power station with more power/capability, and a lugaloo portable toilet, then they'd be all set to go.
I would also like to see an option for a liftgate/tailgate combo in addition to the barn doors in the rear. Nothing feels better than sitting on a tailgate with a beer enjoying a beautiful view! MAKE IT HAPPEN FORD!!!
The Transit Trail looks much better too! It finally looks sexy, but Ford needs to offer it in more colors, like "Desert Sand" for example! And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the newer Transits finally got the GEN 2 Ecoboost engine that has both direct and indirect injection, which greatly reduces a lot of the carbon buildup problems the GEN 1 Ecoboost had.
And finally, Ford just bitch-slapped GM/Chevy & Ram with their van of pure AWD awesomeness! Well done Ford! Now... if they just implemented my suggestions, Ford would then drive the stake right though the heart of their competition, including Mercedes!
MAKE IT HAPPEN FORD!!!
Where could I possibly find out the actual specs of the platform particularly interested in the electrical and what actual components are being utilized as well as if there is any actual plumbing done to this at all ?
Is there anyone out there that might have a insight on this information ?
I'm Literally on the fence cuz of the timing predominantly that it takes to get past the insulation and electrical building portion of the van build itself, nonetheless the rest of the build itself ....
Although just wondering whether this platform is necessarily up to standard at a latter date if you would like to beef up the electrical system as well as the addition of solar panel and such ?
Would you have to strip it all down to bare Bones and start from scratch or could you actually utilize the wiring for example the actual infrastructure itself ?
Same question goes for the plumbing portion of things ?
Since I didn't hear much, don't quite recollect having touched that topic much at all is there any plumbing at all or not 🚫 ❓
Any input at all would be highly appreciated
It really looks impressive just a little concerned if it's a lot of fluff other than the lift and so on and so forth that looks like a big plus not to have to get too involved in doing yourself
@@renealvarez9328 No plumbing systems and no solar but can be ordered with an extra alternator. It also comes with an extra 12 volt battery and a 400 watt AC inverter. The Trail Package mainly does the chassis enhancements for better winter road and fire/dirt road driving (no serious 4wheeing) but leaves the interior van empty (except for the roof fan) so people can design their own interiors.
Ford has to draw a fine line with this van. They probably don't want to be seen as competition for the upfitters. Also, whatever they include has to be maintainable by Ford dealers. As a result, what they add to the van will always be intentionally limited. They're likely to add things like built-in wiring and mounting points for things. They're not as likely to include add-ons like solar panels and mosquito netting. They're not very likely to re-engineer the entire structure of a Transit so that a tailgate could be an option. It could be done, but the result would be insanely expensive. What they are likely to do is add mounting points for an outside rear bench. An upfitter's bench could have cupholders, padded cushions, outlets, etc. Those mounting points could also be used to attach an upfitter's ramp for bikes and motorcycles. I seriously doubt that Ford dealers would ever want to be involved in fixing plumbing, so it's not likely that Ford would add that to this model.
That is a nice-looking vehicle with all of the normal upgrades already added. Beautiful!
I like the fact that it comes with some of the modification I would have to do anyways but would definitively have to do a lot more mods to make it work if full-time, off-grid living. It is a good start!
I think it’s a great base but as they said, it’s meant to get the difficult stuff out of the way so you can focus on the build out.
Ford, where is the 4WD with a low range transfer case and a locking rear diff? Why do we have to go to Quigley to get a truly off road capable version of your van?
I'm guessing not enough people are interested in having such a heavy-duty system to make offering it economically worthwhile to Ford? If you want true off-road capability, a huge delivery-style van isn't the best vehicle choice anyway.
@@mikestevens2053 Hi Mike. They make the F150 which ticks all boxes and costs less than this Transit. Quigley uses F150 parts for the upgrades. It’s all about maximizing profit. These are $75,000 empty vans. If it was $35,000 I’d agree. Not asking every Amazon delivery van to have 4WD, but at this price point I am asking for an up fitted (with parts in their inventory), capable vehicle that gives me peace of mind in the back country. It gets even worse in the aftermarket where they take these vans, install $20,000 worth of batteries and IKEA furniture to then charge $200,000.
Looks like a perfect chassis for additional mods (Roof rack, power system, storage) and I would bet this update makes STO's life even easier to add their overlays!
Always great to see your videos! Love the rig too!
I really enjoyed this video, great to see you Russos. Thanks for sharing.
Hey friends! Thanks so much for reviewing this van! I have so been wanting to see it and learn more about it. (Jane in SC)❤🙏
You're very welcome Jane - hope this video helped answer some questions. Let us know if you have any more!
Love this. Can’t wait to see what RV manufacturers do with it.
Same here!
Sounds like a good base for a build out. Always enjoy your videos!
Thanks Wayne
You guys rock! You are always in the know and your content is always on point! Thank you!
You’re very welcome Frank
Nice to see a lot of desirable features already on the vehicle, both from a factory warranty standpoint as well as saving labor and parts to outfit a standard vehicle to that level. Having it engineered to these specs is also a big plus. That spare tire must be like going to the bakery and getting the biggest donut in the shop.
Well it’s a full size tire - no doughnut!
Very nice looking. Also nice to see you and Kait.
Where can you see one and how do you purchase one. The Ford dealers I spoke to have no idea what a trail is
Wow this is great and I love the overview coming from one of the designers as he explains a lot more than a salesperson.
Brits love transits. Transit island.
I really like it, can’t wait to see it in person/on the road. I wonder if you can have additional seating for the rest of the family?
I wonder the same thing - a Crew Van would be nice; I feel safer with the OEM bench than some of the aftermarket options that aren't crash tested.
This is the vehicle I’ve been waiting for! Ford really listened and addressed all the issues on market. Way to go!
Glad you like it!
Hi Russo’s! Happy Holidays! Dang that’s good looking ( the van Joe, not that you aren’t too 😉 ) and addresses the issue of clearance for a better off road experience. Given today’s climate AC is a necessary for me so power is still an issue.
Well there are a number of solutions for the power side to run AC. But the new Trail would be a great base if you are looking to build out a van.
I wish you guys did the walk through......the tone of his voice putting me to sleep! 😄 🤣
My take, fellow upfitters, the TRAIL is not a Sprinter killer or promaster KILLER, Not yet :
1-Not redesign involved
2-Marketing cosmetic red lipstick...still a cargo van
We need a true redesign oem camper van ready for upfitters:
1-better suspension oem, like liquid springs in the back for many needs and desires such as , better departur angle when needed on the spot etc.
2-AC ducted to the back running from the engine(not a one ton mini split), same with floor heating system, get the most of that powerfull engine. Or a total redesign of HVAC system optimized for upfitterd of class B+.
2-side flares fittings ready to install after market flares.
3-the current interior structure is optimized for cargo missions. Hence, redesign interior structure (at least 10 different types and options for upfitters) to optimize installation ...total redesign of interior cealing structure for drop down accesories such as Showers, drapes, kitchens, tables, storage, beds etc. Redesign the floor interior and exterior for things like, oem shower trays, water tanks(plural) that could fit in every unusable hidden space.
4-computer module hacking access to make the AWD more off-road capable such as sustainable silp diff. etc
5-detachable or option not to order the obsolete ,2000 year old design, backdoors (cargo doors not design for upfitters) to install our own back design set up, just imagine....Jesus, ala MadMax style designs back there.
5-detachable access pannels on the side for access to all, all utilities(a must have for upfitters). The engine has an access panel, i think.
6-Option of hybrid pronto, did i say hybrid...we jave been 120 years with the same engine....
7-make the Transit trail lighter by 750 kilos.
8- 100 different options
-Ford, if i may suggest, make a van design for upfitters...to have a true canvas to work on.
All these for a price of 45k msrp, then u will have a true Sprinter and Promaster Killer.
We have a Vandoit we just purchased in September and its very cool. Too bad this chassis wasn't an option for us when we purchased. Their stuff kicks butt and is really awesome.
Good to hear David! We’ve liked their builds whenever we’ve seen them
I believe the Trail is actually based on a minimal Vandoit build. I think Ford consulted with Vandoit when they were coming up with the concept.
No, the Vandoit build is aftermarket. The van ships as an empty cargo van
this one isn't gonna be an option for anyone for a few years with the way ford is rolling out vans 😂
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looking forward to where this new van platform will grab the market for the desired chassis in the camper van world to build an adventure on
Nice package geared towards van lifers! Why wouldn't they offer it in a short wheel base?
Probably based on the needs of customers that build these. The short wheelbase would be really cramped once outfitted. Note, this isn’t the long wheelbase, as mentioned.
Thank you guys for another awesome video
Thank you Ford! Great Van!!
Great video, I haven't been interested in a new car... ever... but this is really what I'm looking for. Glad Ford is doing it!
Good deal!
Having a built in vent is so important great
When will I see one at the dealer ? I have given my info to several dealers in my area . Hope to see one soon !!
I love it and for first timers that are looking for the Transit platform I am super excited. Who can do the conversion and I would love too see it in the extended,high roof.
Perfect balance for a starter van- not for me but for those with skills to build it out.
I think a lot of van builders will be using this as a base since the lift is already done
Nice platform, looks like a good van. BTW, the Barber Museum was one the the best Museum's I've ever been in, thanks for that recommendation. I spent hours walking around, and I'm not even a huge motorcycle enthusiast. Thanks!
You’re very welcome Dave!
i think this will be my next adventure van. has everything i would put on a van.
It’s a great base to build on
For a van build I am still going to have to cut into the van walls to install slider screen windows. With the bed in the back there still needs to be access points to move air from the roof vent. I don't think the roof vent alone will make the back/bed area comfortable. What say you?
Nice! Good job, Ford!
Great looking van!! Would like to see the Ford UK Transit Custom here. We saw many of them in London last month as a mid size work van. Smaller than the Ford US Transit Van.
Joe you tower of this guy. Would have been more fair if Kait stood next to him. lol ;) I love this van, it finally looks as sleek as the Sprinter. Great video!
One of the funniest/oddest comments I've read in a long time.....being short is unfair ?
Hi Joe, I hope the Euro trip is a blast. Just wanted to pass a message along that I've been informed by some dealers that they not putting in Transit Trail orders (as May 2023) because Ford is not yet scheduling the Transit Trail builds.
IS this available in Canada? Solar panels would have been a great addition. Looks fabulous.....love the metal furnishings to prevent the mold that happens in RV's. Thank you.
Great report. You are prescient. You foresaw that I was going to ask about the Trail. I have an LT like you. Good news regarding the spare. I was annoyed to find that I had none. You know the folks at Storyteller. Do you know if they plan to base future LTs on the Trail?
Hi Bill - my assumption is that Storyteller will use the Trail for the LT since they would no longer need to lift the vans and fit side steps to them.
Hi to you all. Do you know when the vans will be used for RV Builds 2023 or 2024 year? Thanks for sharing 👍
Well vans will be delivered in ‘23 so it’s dependent on when the RV companies begin to build on them
Great presentation - great vehicle 👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼
Thanks Rob! We love all the new features, especially with the better ground clearance from the factory.
@@Weretherussos Copy that! Great for all the off-roading you guys love to do 👍🏼
How did they correct eh odometer/speedo for larger diameter tires? Is the correction available for other transits upgrading their tires?
I don’t know how but I’m sure Ford knows how to account for things like that on their vehicles. That’s the benefit of having options like that done by the manufacturer and not aftermarket. I doubt the correction is available for the standard Transit but you could always ask a dealer.
What did you think of these standard seats as compared to the seats that you have in your transit?
Those are the same seats we removed from our van.
@@Weretherussos That says alot> Thank you
Thank you guys
Are there skidplates or any underbody protection? The one shot made it seem like the oil pan is exposed. Thx.
Wonder what the mpg is since fuel will be going up?
Keen to see them in Australia!
Looks great 👍
Thankyou Russos. Yet another interesting segment. Kinda strange for the Ford representative to breakdown all the included changes and added benefits of this Transit and not give a msrp? I'm sure he's trying to create buzz and interest in this vehicle to help, SELL them. Would have been really easy to throw out a ballpark # as far as price range. Bigger tires/wheels, added lift and AWD are a definite benefit. Wish they offered barn style doors on the passenger side to increase useable space inside and make it a smaller screening size by allowing only one door to be mainly used while in the outdoors. Still leery of the eco boost lasting over 100k miles. Much rather have a Express engine powering this format. Truly don't understand why Chevy hasn't launched a high roof "cargo"(no side windows) van. Maybe Ford doing this will inspire other manufacturers to offer similar trim levels for the outdoors and van life enthusiasts. Thanks again.
I understand that some buyers have been waiting for a Transit van for the better part of a year already. How is producing another model going to contribute to product delivery?
I really like the aggressive yet simple look. I wonder if that front grill will fit the LT?
I was wondering the same thing…you’d have to figure out how to wire in the running lights.
@@Weretherussoswondering if there are any plans for this to join the LT lineup in future?
Most likely
I am impressed. The FTT has a nice stance. I wonder if Storyteller Overland will decide to build on this platform.
I think they will. It only makes sense since the lift and side steps are from the factory.
Ok Ford if your listening - make this a hybrid like the Ford F150. I will be interested in seeing what happens with roof racks (that accommodate the vent) for this - if I can get an easy way to get solar up there it will be a good fit for what I want. If I could integrate those in with a built in battery system it would be even better -- it's not that I want to drive the Van off the solar I just want to be able to run a kitchen and computer off of it. And yes a system can be built but that means going to multiple places to get the 'mechanicals' for the van fixed -- it would be ideal if you all came up with a plug n play electric system using the Ford F150 system as a starter. Thanks Russos for covering this - it was a nice detailed look at it and I really appreciate you going to Michigan to talk to them.
You’re very welcome Delvie!
Maybe I'm wrong and uninformed, but I was under the impression that the benefit of hybrid engines(great mpg) was mainly for urban, city, and stop and go driving? I thought hybrid's on highway driving weren't nearly as good on gas mileage as they are in stop and go city/traffic driving?
We where presented with the external modifications which look impressive and practical, but how about the engine areas? Is this newer Ford transit going to also provide a good range? Is Ford working in bringing a hybrid transit that would extend the drivability further w/out spending too much on gas if the price of gas goes up? Because no matter how great a vehicle looks if you are not able to enjoy it going places w/out having some saving it becomes a problem? Or as some people have sometimes thought that if you can afford such a vehicle you can also afford to pay for the fuel regardless. Uhmm? 🤔
Would be nice to see a plug in hybrid version in the future.
Does anyone know if Ford will provide any insulation and/or sound dampening options for the cargo area of the Transit Trail? Or is the cargo space just a bare metal walled cargo van?
It’s just a bare cargo space
Looks great!
I inquired about the Ford Transit "Trail" a few weeks ago. It is a mixture of "cosmetic" features and price point. It is NOT a boon-docking machine nor is it a machine that you should consider driving to the Arctic Ocean without serious modifications; most importantly a full size rock resistant A/T spare tire. Ford's target market place seems to be "weekend warriors" who wish to go a little further off road but not too far.
We boondock in our Transit all the time. The van doesn’t limit boondocking - it’s how you chose to build it out. We’ve also taken our Transit well off the beaten path and it’s done VERY well (and this was with a motorcycle on the back). Now with a factory lift on the Trail model, it will probably perform better than our Transit. Throw a full size AT spare in the van and off you go
@@Weretherussos I understand what you are saying. However, there are degrees of off road. I recall one of your videos when you joined a 4wd group, aired down your 4wd truck tires, and went to the bottom of a canyon. And, what did we see in the background? Lots of Subarus! There is another issue. Lithium. Yes, Ford will install a 2nd alternator but we discover that it, and the wiring, is not adequate. It will all have to be rebuilt. People are going to mistakenly buy this van thinking that it is ready to go (anywhere) with minimal modifications. That is not true.
Mmm.... the extended high roof would be a sweet starting point for the build I've been hoping to do. I'm surprised he didn't mention the optional rear door mounted spare shown in some of the website pictured.
Ford does not offer a rear door mount. That would be an aftermarket part
I know... but since so much time was spent talking about the spare, it was a bit odd to not mention the idea of going with an aftermarket mount as part of the upfitting process. If one has any desire to venture into the back country with this van, I would consider a full-size spare to be mandatory.
Have one and I love it!
Same here Mark!
Excellent viddy!
What is the height of the various models. Those that fit through an 8 ft garage door (let alone a 7 ft!) are few. Being able to store in your own garage saves a ton of storage rental money.
Hi Celia - the mid-rood version is 105" tall.
@@Weretherussos is that actually 105” tall or 10’5”?
I want one.
Looking forward to more fantastic videos.
I assume there is a waiting list for this model b
What’s the headroom inside this medium height van with the ceiling installed?
Thank you for the video. Interesting.
I want to say 5'10" or 5' 11" stock without any floor or ceiling. The high roof gives you about 6 ft 7 stock. I'm glad I got the high roof because I have a lot of storage on the upper shelves.
Joe this look like a great rig. Some fundamental ??s 1. What is ground clearance? 2. For Mid-roof AND Hi-roof models the Angle of Approach AND Departure for each style?
I don’t know - Ford hasn’t published those numbers
This is a great idea by Ford!
I love this van from Ford. I just want to know when they're going to start hitting the dealers. We have a built out Ram Promaster 2500 and I'm ready to change.
Oh yeah! Fantastic
Ford did A phenomenal job putting this Ford van in production. My only worry is how dependable is that engine and transmission Ford does not have a stellar reputation in that department unfortunately
Initial reports sourced online have stated that the eco-boost has problems, stretching the timing chain, which is an incredibly expensive repair, and one that if ignored, can be fatal to the engine..?
What US manufacturer makes a better V6 engine with this performance?
I’ve heard about manifold leak issues with the EB but it seems to be hit and miss and only at about 100K miles.
@@boomer8393 as long as you take care of that motor you won’t have problems.
Clever move from Ford, well done!
what can you power with 60 amps 12 volt?
Can the second alternator be split from the chassis? I thought there was an issue with that. In a sense that the second alternator would power the lithium battery recharge circuit.
In order to "split" the second alternator off, you'd need to have some sort of logic that knew when to turn the field to the second alternator on/off. Better to have a end to end system like Volta which uses their own proprietary second alternator OR pull the power right from the chassis to charge your batteries. That's what we did on our last rig. The vehicles computer monitors alternator output and when the primary can't supply the full load, it turns on the second alternator.
@@Weretherussos That's what I thought. People think that the second factory alternator can power a DC-DC charge circuit for the Li Bank. Not so. A bit misleading from Ford on that one. At least the motor can accommodate a second alternator from the aftermarket.
You can power a DC to DC charger but not directly from the alternator. You’d want to run it off the power port on the drivers seat which would be very efficient.
👍thanks for sharing this video. Interesting and informative review.
Thanks for watching!
Will there be an option for a second row of seating??
Nice looking, did you happen to catch the interior ceiling height on this van? Thanks! Edit: I looked it up, it’s about 68 inches.
It also comes in the high roof version
@@Weretherussos The one thing that bugs me about the Transit with the high roof is that the side door doesn't go to the top. If you're standing inside you have to duck down to look outside or to get in and out. Vans like Sprinters and Crafters if you order the high roof the door is higher as well.
Like this setup.
Nice to see Ford entertaining van life. 10 speed is a detriment. No need for more than 6 speeds. Did they re-gear for larger diameter tires? Is there conduit bringing wire down from the roof?
How are those tires on the highway ? nosey,? rough,? loud ?
They’ll be fairly quiet compared to a more rugged AT tire like the KO2s
I want one now...High Roof Extended!
Great video
The Academy award goes to: guy who stands quietly in a Ford commercial! 😂🎉
And the academy award for supporting actor goes to: guy in the background trying to get a photo with his phone.
Ford folk sure can talk, huh?
I really like what Ford is trying to do here. Unfortunately it’s a $7K premium over a similarly (and slightly better) optioned Transit without the lift and AT tires. 400W inverter is useless. I do like the new grill but that’s only a $500 option. Did they upgrade the shocks? I heard it might have Bilsteins. Is it worth the premium to have that lift under warranty? You decide.
I hope they read this, All they need to finish off the look is that raptor style grill that they already actually have in Europe. It would totally make it look more rugged!
We have the Raptor style grill on ours and I like this one better
Awesome video
I've got one ordered!! Long (not extended) High Roof.
Where did you get the grill?
I wonder if Storyteller will use the Trail as their LT base? They would probably need to make fewer mods compared to a regular Transit. Maybe.
Correct. They wouldn’t need to lift the van or put on the side steps.
I want one! 😊👍🏼
Is it a skid plate? What is the resulting ground clearance?
It’s just a piece of plastic.
I just want this van with 2-3 rows of seats and room in the back for bikes, boards, tools, etc… I don’t want it for camping, I want it for moving the family around to fun places with the toys.
I would say just get the standard AWD Transit in a passenger van configuration and call it a day.
I love it !! Ford continues coming out with good quality AND good looking trucks and vans. Now if I could only find some company or outfit to make the cargo space pet friendly. Getting ready to retire and would love to take our two cats out on the road with us for one or two day weekend trips.
Hey Sean - we have a list of class B manufacturers, many of whom will custom build a van to your specs, including the dog area. We've seen some great designs for the pups, good luck! weretherussos.com/class-b-rv-manufacturers-list-camper-vans/
Well, a vehicle manufacturer is “seeing the light” of what customers want to do with their vans and providing it. It is a decent van. Joe you seemed to like it a lot. A new van in your future? I am sure Storyteller could do nice things with this platform as a start. Any ideas if MSRP?
No idea on MSRP yet. Doesn’t make sense to replace our current transit since we already have the mods their including in this package
@@Weretherussos Oh yeah, you guys have a good setup with your Storyteller van. No need to get rid of something that meets your needs and you have setup like you want. I just thought you might have been getting tempted with that “new car smell”. It lures you in with thoughts of a better, newer vehicle and then you are rudely awakened when you see the cost. 😮
Order banks closed for now here in Colorado
can you stand up inside? What is the headroom.
Thank you
Nice van. Im in the uk where can i get the the wheel mouldings from please
You would have to find them through Ford as they are an ORM part for the Transit Trail
How come no one can tell me how to purchase one of these? I've searched the Web. I called dealerships. Nothing. BS
Does the ignition have to be on to run the internet hot-spot?
That's a good question and I have no idea. I do know you can use the tracking, start up, door lock, etc when the vehicle is off.
I'd like to see you explore the interior more. Maybe I missed you saying you are going to do a follow-up interior video.
The video was just to feature the van. The interior was an aftermarket build as they come bare from the factory