Adipurush and the issue of Ramayana retellings
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
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Raavan was designed like Muslim emperor because that's what Hindu rightwing saw as villain. I am happy it backfired
Looked more like a Delhi boy
@@vimohlive that's probably due to mediocrity of work.
Just think, you yourself mentioned there was a dialogue that Lanka mein bhagwa janda gaadenge. And ravana look to some extent. They wanted to show that way.
This is not new either. Amish tripathi in his ramachandra series, makes shukracharya as one who comes from Egypt with script written right to left. In first book there is a chapter where asuras are forced to live West of indus with no right to cross the river.
Backfired to whom.
It is Indian story which was misrepresented. Even Hindu left-wing would get angry.
Hello vimoh.... Missed the Livestream today... Watching now...
The gunda gardi chichora language normalised by BJP IT cell came back to bite them in the as5 in the form of this movie's dialogues. Even as an atheist, the story is Rama was a huge part of my childhood. This movie was definitely very cringey and disappointing for me. I feel like my memories or nostalgia factor were somehow disrespected.
No it didn't. BJP always hated Bollywood. This wasn't new.
I think you are not aware, Vimoh, but Shaktiman ( Mukesh Khanna) made some extreme comments like Hang the Team of Adipurush in public or something like that. 😅😅 that was extreme. Loved your insights.
He is an old man who needs to calm down.
@vimohlive yes, I think the same. Because few months back, he was doing a podcast on his channel, one of my favorite modern bollywood singers, Javed Ali. It was good episode. I don't know what happened to him just now.
@@vimohlive So Are you a young man ?
@@captainamericasteverogers4669 A younger man
@@vimohlive😂
Even as an atheist, I was offended by the movie. Although I look at Ramayana as a mythology, the story is classic and ingrained deeply in the minds of every Indian, irrespective of their beliefs. Of course that doesn't mean the story doesn't have its ethical flaws like the test that Sita goes through (which is conveniently ignored in most film adaptations) and Shambhuk's killing.
Today, lets see the view of Sham Sharma. But one thing, I am surprised to see some people are abusing and blaming Saif Ali Khan for the worst portrayal of the film.
That's their Khan phobia and effort in doing Hindu-Muslim with this.
@@Subh8081 Surprisingly, he supported the creative liberty of those filmmakers. That is a good step I must say.
@@arjyachatterjee6874 Not good news. Bad. Because his acceptance of creative liberty and freedom of expression is tied to the known allegiance of the film maker with powerful BJP leaders. So he cut him some slack when Hanuman is heard saying 'kapda tera baap ka'. The same sham sharma blasted Zubair from alt news when he posted a picture of a hotel from a film made 50 years ago where a hoarding of a hotel name hanuman hotel got syllables worn of and change to Honeymoon hotel.
@@Subh8081 I can understand. He was having problem with PK where even no Lord Shiva was depicted but he accepted that cringey version of Ramayana (though his argument was to depict Christian or Muslim characters like Lord Shiva in such anti religious movies). Though as a centre left individual, I listen to his arguments and agree with some of his points.
@@arjyachatterjee6874 What are the points you agree on with him on the PK controversy?
Vimoh use tags and keywords in you videos to increase reach.
And divide it up in to small relavent parts which can be forwarded.
At 24 min mark you are talking about Amir Khan. I have seen that interview
Is it so bad that it's good to watch?!
Possibly
Yes. I enjoyed it. 😂 My expectations were low perhaps.
Hi Vimoh, big fan, have you ever spoken about sai deepak? I feel like he's gotten a huge base recently which is sad
I do think some one really needs to give a rebuttal to his arguments its sad that far right influencers who create conspiracy theories and fearmonger are being invited to what we call indias smartest podcast
@@thedarkknight9335 Due to the compelling nature of his arguments, countering him proves challenging. After conducting thorough research on that individual, I discovered that most of his statements are supported by factual evidence. Despite ongoing efforts, it is not surprising that he has not encountered a substantial rebuttal thus far.
@@rahilsoni1539 im not saying that the entirity of his discourse is false.
But there are problematic things he speaks like caste was made by british is one of his claims whereas caste can be found in pretty much all of indian history and all genetic studies indicate birth based endogamy from 2000 years and all historic records say so.
The dude is pretty much right about islam and its bloody conflict with indians in medieval era but is wrong about present day indian muslims.
Problem with liberal/left wing intellectuals is they tend to throw labels like majoritarian fasicst more often than rebutting the arguments made by the opposing individuals. Too much of satire sometimes makes us looks fools. The dude can be countered on factual lines using sirveys studies and historical records but the liberal ecosystem doesnt seem to care much about creating its own narrative and countering problematic ideologues like that of j sai deepak and anand ranganathan,
Perhaps the liberal discourse is far too worried about losing its core voters muslims cause when countering these guys you will have to admit that islam has bloody history in india. And many of the left wing folks dont like to admit it cause of purely political reasons. Take tipu sultan or aurangzeb for eg. Instead of admitting there atrocities i see liberals furthering the fuel of a one sided discourse by supporting audrey truschke who try to potray aurangzeb as a good king which he was not.
We need to start by accepatance then challenge his hindutva arguments of caste and brahminism
@@thedarkknight9335 what you said is facts, now if only you had a UA-cam 😂. Also vimoh made a great point about not just like you said liberals should see all perspectives, but when someone has spoken so much nonsense, rebutting them itself is a waste of energy often, but it's sad. Also another thing is that many people like him use exactly what you said, the problems with other religions etc that people are scared to say, and by saying openly they're able to get ahead of anyone else
@thedarkknight9335 unconditional support of left to any thing Islamic and complete blind eye to intolerance and extremism of Islam is the reason behind rise of right wing not only in India but Europe and North America too.
Regarding the moustache thing, even in RRR when in the climax, Ram Charan's character gets dressed up in the imagery of Ram, his face is fully bearded with long hair - no one outraged them.
I guess people are focusing on these trivialities only because the story is terrible and didn't hit people emotionally.
Ram charan's character was inspired by the freedom fighter ALLURI SEETHARAMA RAJU and u can search about him. He uses bow and arrows as weapon
@@saisathwik403 True that, but in the climax the filmmakers deliberately evolved his image to show Alluri's elevation to mythic status as that of Ram
@@JohnyWalker1234 then what's the problem bro, more better look than aadipurush
@@saisathwik403 you haven't understood the context of my original comment - it was regarding how some people were angry that in Adipurush Ram & Laxman were showed mustachioed and bearded instead of clean shaven as shown in traditionally.
Adipurush ka panchnama
Video keeps buffering a lot @vimoh. Please see if anything can be done.
After a live stream ends, it takes a day to settle. It's a known UA-cam issue. Can't be helped. If you watch after 24 hours, it should be okay.
Hi vimoh, I remember seeing a youtube reviewer saying that "stop insulting our ancient culture" in criticising the movie, so my doubt is that, is it right to call ramayana a part of ancient culture when it is a story?....just wanted to know ur views
isn't story a part of a 2000 year culture which was played in drama from North South???
You need to understand what culture means.
@vimoh I want to discuss homoeopathy with you . The pseudoscience destroying careers of many in India.
Karni sena was like
"Deepika ki naak kaat lo"
"Bhansali ka gala kaat lo"
Shukar hai muntashir ne sahi time par "Shukla" laga liya.
Muntashir is from RW "intellectual" ecosystem and close to power from before.
@@Subh8081 Nope he has recently changed sides. He has raised issues with changing names in UP. He complained about urdu not encouraged. I mean look at his middle name its 'Muntashir', 'Shukla' is his recent addition. He is an opportunist who will change sides in a whiff of air. Even godi media for that matter not everyone are idealists, and Sudhir will be the first one to soften up. He needs just 1 week in jail to change tunes.
Itni ghatiya movie thi jiski hadd nahi hai.