Crafting Narratives from the Past - William Dalrymple, Manu S Pillai, Vikram Sampath, Parvati Sharma
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2020
- Crafting Narratives from the Past - KLF 2020
Vikram Sampath,
Manu S Pillai, Parvati Sharma
Moderator: William Dalrymple - Розваги
Thanks DC Books. These discussions are true gems of the intellectualism of our era. I wish there were more, and more publicised.
What a panel !. I am a big fan of Manu and Vikram.. William has written many masterpieces , bringing out Indian history through fiction.
There are many biographies before baburnama ...Harshacharit , Buddhacharita for example
hagiographies dont count.
@@hayekianman Why ? Just because its not of kings ?
“History is mostly guessing, rest is prejudice”, said the same guy who said “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history.”
@@hayekianman what about vikramankdevcharita, vikramankabhyudaya,prithviraj Vijaya???
The views like ancient Indians refused to attach real importance to facts of history, like all half truths are false.they mainly arose from 19th century image of India in which she was represented as having"let the thunder past and plunged in thought again". Born in ignorance of romantic age, they may be allowed to die unseen.
@Soumik Das which part of hagiography is hard for you to understand
i am he only for Vikram Sampath.
Loved to hear Vikram Sampath
Vikram 👌🏻👏🏻
Banabhatt's Harshacharit, Chand Bardai"s Prithviraj Raso. I am sure there are other biographies written before Baburnama
Sampath, said that he choose to write non-fiction because of his inability to write emotions( an essential for fiction writing) yet he uses the metaphor of a lover while explaining his fondness for biographical writing. I think he can very well write fiction. That said, he seems to be the most coherent and bright speaker in the panel.
Who's here after that INDIA TODAY CONCLAVE
WD _ His books are awesome
Oral history is prevalent in Africa and India. The reliance on written records may explain the reliance on foreign chroniclers.
Oral records are unreliable by design
@@yj9032 No more than written records
While in England he was deeply engaged in left-wing activism, which had a strong influence on his journalistic career
Copied from Founder of Wire , Siddharth Varadharajan Wikipedia wall
While I admire WD, I find it disturbing that he waited over twenty minutes to involve Parvathy.
Is she some big shot?? I don't know her that is why I am asking and trying to understand why you are so disturbed by it.. 🤔
“History is mostly guessing, rest is prejudice”- Will Durant
“The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history.”-Also Will Durant
Agreed, but Will Durant is taboo to Indian Historians
There can’t be no smoke without the fire. - Anonymous
@@ganeshucc3234 Since truth is bitter the people always disapprove of such historians.
What about the colonial period?was it more peaceful than the islamic invasion?
Also according to sir Richard eaton,the blood shedding during the so called islamic conquest were heavily exaggerated.
Buddhacarita , harshacarita , etc they are all biographies what is William darylmple. Smoking ?
He is talking about marxist historians after independence
Romila thapar writes the best historical fiction
True and has so much arrogance that she claims her take is the truth n nothing but truth
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Mughal history in India is written in Farsi. Romila Thapar cannot read Farsi.
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The class of Manu Pillai
Informative
What is the ideal definition of a historian? In imperial times they were part of the court whose job was to create the legacy of the king. In ideological times their role was to promote the ideology. Or is it to chronicle the actual facts for evaluation by posterity?
I am hear only for Vikram sampath
BJP stooge he is
@@yj9032 right you would be expecting arundhati roy .
William D should be more attentive......
History should be based on historical documents and not based on the story of any forward-castes or backward-castes or scheduled-castes etc because even Manu Pillai has attested to the fact that the terms Thalakaram (head tax) and Mulakaram (breast tax) were the names of the taxes as pertaining to the male and female labourers since the 9th century C.E in the historical accounts of Kerala but the film-makers all over India are now portraying pre-modern Kerala or Malabar as the land as governed by unjust rulers unlike elsewhere in south India all due to the bias historians of Kerala who support the stories of some backward-castes and scheduled-castes that their ancestors had to cut off their head and breast to protest against the head tax and breast tax in the 19th century when Swami Vivekananda himself has said that "In malabar (Kerala) the women lead in everything. Exceptional cleanliness is apparent everywhere and there is the greatest impetus to learning" (source - The complete works of Vivekananda vol.7)
Documents can only made by the powerful people of the that time.... And on Vivekananda.. he was just a dreamer of something... that never existed... still not existing... We can't count him on History.... sorry to say this but that is the reality....
Sir, Many caste-groups in Kerala and elsewhere in South India did not wear upper-garments until the 20th century . It was the British governor of Madras presidency in 1865 who passed a legislation to cover the breasts of all the women irrespective of their caste or religion. There are historical records of various occupational taxes as imposed on individuals by the Kings outside of Kerala in Indian history as well as For Example, the rulers of Tamil Nadu have also directed various taxation against individuals such as Thattanpattam (the Tax on Thattan), Ezhaputchi (The Tax on Ezhavas), Shanavari (The Tax on Shanars) etc in Tamil Nadu history as according to the Tamil Nadu historians themselves but nevertheless, numerous medieval travelers have also referred to the high economic prosperity of Malabar (Kerala) in India as well in history.
For Example: “Among all the places in the world I have seen none equal to the Port of Alexandria except Kawlam (Kollam in Kerala) and Calicut (Kozhikodu in Kerala) in India” - Ibn Battuta (14 century C.E)
@@Nithin90 Nice... You have made a deep study...👏👏👏
I am glad you liked it. 🙏
What? You're literally wrong. Thalakarram and mulakaram were taxes on lower caste people, the idea was that lower caste people owed their body to serving upper caste. Lower caste people only needed their arms and legs, not brain or breast, that was the idea. It was factually a lower-caste tax. Only misinformation about mulakaram (breast tax) is that it was some sort of misogynist tax and that a feminist stood up to it. It was not about misogyny, it was about caste. Manu has said this very clearly multiple times. How did you twist this and somehow created another fake news? Not surprising cause savarnas and sanghis especially are constantly trying to rewrite factual history so desperately that they don't even hear the words clearly.
Vikram Sampath seems to be the most intelligent amongst the panelists
Hahahahaha hahahahahah ... I agree that he is odd man out there for sure.
You mean Parasite like William
Or more tomorrow
It is pleasure to read Vikram Sampath Ji's Book.
'Conversations that matter' must be 'കാതലായ സംഭാഷണങ്ങൾ'
Thanks for that..when i attended the session in this particular hall i was thinking the same..isnt the translation entirely wrong...then again i was wondering which phrase did they make first..so essentially i quite easily drifted from the conversation the esteemed authors were having😅
The comments section reminds me of the time my seniors in school asked me what song my band was going to play at battle of the bands. I said we were playing a green day song, and they said, "oh angrez angrez, why dont you play a hindi song". We weren't even in india, and hindi isn't even my language. People get so mad lol
Even the western media addresses BJP as Hindu Nationalist Party. How about calling Western countries and Christian majority ............Parties and Islam ..........major countries in Middle east.
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They are saying the truth
Dalrymple looks like grandmaster pycelle from game of thrones😁
Why are all the literacy festivals held in English? It seems that some twenty odd Indian languages produce no literature.
couldn't agree more.... people who don't speak English or don't give a fuck about English also needs to be heard
@@Aleksandr_Gelyevich_Dugin Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, the English speaking elite of brown-skinned toffs continue to ruthlessly exclude all others from practically all spheres of economic, political, and intellectual life. Therefore, people can't afford not to give a fuck about English, much as they might want to. Those who don't speak English are unaware of their economic clout. English pervades all levels of commercial life in India. I haven't seen a menu in any language other than English in any halfway decent restaurant in India, nor can you buy any appliance in India with instructions manual in any language other than English. Labels of cigarette packets, as well as the statutory warning, are only English, as are DVDs and CDs of music from Hindi films. This can change if people refuse to buy things in sale of which all Indian languages are marginalized.
@@kanchhediachamaar9289 so truee!!
@@kanchhediachamaar9289 In developed countries like Japan, Germany, France, South Korea, UK, people speaks their own mother tongue and they are proud of it. (Provided that English is mother tongue of UK, technically)
while in India, English is a symbol of elitism...I am not against learning foreign language, personally speaking I am learning German and Russian but those are for knowledge...mother tongue has a different impact. Knowing another language or not knowing it doesn't really make a difference in one's knowledge.
also if something is taught in mother tongue it's easy to remember compared to a foreign language.
@@Aleksandr_Gelyevich_Dugin Arinori Mori wanted to abolish Japanese language and make English language to be used for all levels of education. Fortunately, wiser counsels prevailed. I am not very optimistic that wiser counsels will prevail in India. I cannot see how the country can be freed from English speaking Indians' cruel stranglehold. And I can't see economic prosperity reaching beyond the English speaking cabal so long as the country is practically enslaved by English. A vast majority of people in Ireland and Wales have been speaking English for centuries, yet you hear more protests against dominance of English in Ireland and Wales than you do in India where no more than fifteen percent of people have any kind of comfort with English, and fifteen percent may be a gross overestimate.
U forget to invite romila thappar to the panel. Best historian in India.
is this supposed to be satire?
തേങ്ങ (means coconut, that lady is pure shit)
This Mr Pillai says that Tipu Sultan donated Idols to Indian temples.
Tell me one thing, from where did he get those idols? I mean he was Islamic, and against idol worship, so do u think he made those himself? Obviously he looted them from someone and may have donated(even if the claim is real) in exchange of a favour. Or simply to please the Hindu Kings. He definitely didn’t care about Hindu culture, he was the one destroyed many many many temples. And this William Dalrymple let me tell u thinks tha lt he’s a genuine custodian of Indian History. What d hell!!? All left liberal material.
You didn't even present an iota of proof. You are crying because Pillai destroyed your bias. If you have proof then present, or keep quiet.
You hindu talibani are all narrow minded and cannot accept any thing outside of your propaganda material.
history is much more than that. But that is if you want to see the beauty of history
He had them made
Lady is burning 🥵
Very good, engrossing session with everyone speaking very well and sharing interesting insights and stories. Vikram Sampath redeemed himself somewhat here, in my book.. but his recent petty and petulant utterances do not speak of objectivity that can be trusted. He is ready to do a lot of whitewashing of contemporary crimes by brushing them off lightly as a reaction to past injustices. No one except andh bhakts can be impressed with that part. I am not surprised that he is a darling of the extreme right. And he seems to revel in that ugly attention.
@Alexios I Komnenos I watch and observe many things and I stand by what I said. You are well qualified to do your own research, if you can ask this question. Watch his videos and find out. He has a different demeanor and assertiveness when he is in right wing, idiotic company, as do all the darlings of the andh-bhakt crowd, which is why I said he has redeemed himself somewhat. And, if you do your research, you will find that the quality of his work has been questioned, too. I am not expressing an opinion on that right now, just putting it out there, since you are so keen on finding out. Happy researching.
@@sixthsense66able Very good job at exposing your own ludicrousness. You make your own observations and regard them as "research". That's actually laughable. You cannot 'expose' Sampath on even one point and then just for sake's sake refer to him as engaging in "whitewashing of contemporary crimes". You simply cannot quote one incidence and the temerity to write a whole paragraph about researching! Also, he himself has said that blaming the present day Muslim for crimes committed by their ancestors is not right. But of course, you just have to put a charge against him, eh? Can't stand truthful scholarship.
@@bhavitavashishtha4726 I did not claim that I did "research".. I said others who are interested can do it. I commented on what I have noticed and described that briefly - his demeanor, body language and insinuations that he knows will never be questioned in friendly company, which in my book amounts to whitewashing crimes that are happening now. He seems to follow in the footsteps of his "hero" who could prevaricate at the drop of a hat. I did NOT write a whole paragraph about researching. As for "truthful scholarship"... that has also been questioned, as you can find out, if you are interested. I am not sure you are.
@@sixthsense66able Once again, that's simply YOUR observation. That's alright, to each their own. Just to let you know, that is, your "opinion" and not something objective that you condescend to. Do not then, put a charge against his objectivity, since your perception doesn't and can not define that. As for truthful scholarship, it had been questioned, and the charges levelled have been disposed off.
@@bhavitavashishtha4726 Stop being silly, please. I have been making it clear that it is MY opinion, and MY observation in as many words. And it is MY opinion that some of the things I heard him say have made me doubt his objectivity. I haven't seen or heard anything to change MY mind. And it is simply YOUR feeling/observation that the "charges levelled have been disposed off." They haven't.
Willy should stop interrupting people.
Do research before authors before reading anything. Don't think that those who speak English are very genuine
Shivaji is good and Aurangzeb is bad .
According to them Aurangzeb is most secular! Ask them to say the same about hitler
@@na4369 when did aurangzeb killed 6 million hindus?
@@ahmadashraf2728Aurangzeb was a bloody tyrant. He killed millions of Hindus and destroyed 1000s of Hindu temples including Kashi and Mathura which are considered some of the holiest by Hindus. All these were recorded by his own historians.
@@govindarun1947 which historian and history book are you refering to?
@UniworldCityGGaon if aurangzeb would have been intolerant most of india would be muslim today
Pillai and darlymple are great. Pillai is just doing his duty to bjp.
Who is "just doing his duty to bjp?" Pillai or Sampath?
Sampath is acting like a bjp stooge these days. Looks like he is hooked up to their gravy train.
@@yj9032To what gravy train you are hooked to?? You seem very jealous
♥️❤️❤️ Dalrypmle❤️❤️❤️
Manu S Pillai comes across as very arrogant to me. Loved the session regardless.
Malayalis have that about them. Don't worry, some Malayalis support what Savarkar was trying to convey which is Pan Indian Hindu unity.
@@naiyayika if they would listen to savarkar then they would not eat beef
For us to Claim Akbar was Indian, Akbar should have shared that sentiment. Indeed, we do not know if Ashoka did either!!! However, Ashoka was native but Akbar not!!!! To that extent, I am not sure that Akbar can be considered an Indian GREAT!!!
His mother was rajput I guess...
@@RajaRam-xx1kp Half non native? Who knows with these narratives. One should go by any evidence he left in his actions. From what I have read, they did not think of themselves as native.
Ahem!! pro-bjp! Vikram seems too busy impressing darylmple
What makes him pro-bjp