Rome (HBO) - HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!
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- Ceasar's rage after finding out the way of killing of Pompey Magnus
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Shame on the House of HBO for cancelling Rome, shame.
So agreed. It just sadly was so $$$ even more than game of thrones. If only they budgeted better
*LMAO so true. "To be rushed and canceled in this sordid way. SHAME!!!*
Shame on Nathanael Heil for copying a 10K liked comment on another video of ROME, word for word, just to boost his e-Cred. Shame.
B.. but Nathaniel Heil your enemies
@@justinv6410 yes because stealing a comment made about a cancelled HBO show is gonna give me so much e-cred. It was a funny joke and I continued it, calm down.
Something that doesn’t get talked about much, but Scott Chrisolm, who was about 13 when this was filmed, was fantastic as Ptolemy XIII. He’s surrounded by absolutely august actors with decades of experience, and just oozes the kind of contempt and petulance one would expect from a child god-king.
This moment was even more extreme in reality. According to the ancient sources, Caesar apparently freaked out when he was presented with Pompey’s head. He refused to look at it and started crying hysterically, though there was disagreement over whether his tears were genuine or performative. What we do know for certain is that he did *not* want Pompey dead and his murder made Caesar furious.
Well, all we know for certain is that Caesar didn't want others to think that he wanted Pompey dead. Anything else is conjecture and speculation hidden between layers of sources each with their own agenda.
Problem is, we don't know either if it ever happened, or if it happened it was genuine.
The show probably solved this problem quite well by presenting a less staged version and let you decide, if Caesars rage in the palace was honest or an act.
@@StalkerQtya The thing is Romans didn't like outsiders punish a Roman citizen. If you were a criminal who has Roman citizenship you hand him over to Rome. They will decide his fate. If any province or client state harms him without Roman authority then they are in big trouble
@@akashpatro9393 Outraged over a diplomatic incident is not the same what was written down in the sources about Caesar's reaction. Allegedly, he started weeping, crying and shouting over the egyptians.
@@StalkerQtya yeah. His anger was amplified by the fact that it wasn't any Roman. It was Pompey the Great. Rome's most illustrious general since Scipio
Ceasar wrote in his journal that he regretted not being able to pardon pompeii for opposing him.
Caesar wanted the Republic back more than anyone, he simply knew it was broken already and had no idea how to fix it.
Had he caught pompeii and pardoned him. What would he do, recreate another triumvirate with him, MA and pompeii?
Pompeii is a Roman city that got buried in volcanic ashes. How can it get pardoned?
@@bobbyflobby7523 Pompeius Magnus
A Roman Consul, General, Caesar's friend and son in law
@@bobbyflobby7523 dude it's a name XD
2:52 An important reminder that Caesar was Pontifex Maximus during a big chunk of his life and absolutely would have know the needed rites for a proper funeral for a Proper Roman.
True Roman burials, for true Romans
In fact wasn't it a big part of his political career even after he was mostly out of the priesthood? I heard he basically overturned every edict another guy made (Mark Anthony perhaps?) by claiming that holding speeches and senate hearings on certain devotional days was basically blasphemy, and everyone listened to him since he was basically raised to be a priest and thus naturally had the greater knowledge about such matters in nearly all cases, allowing him to stall the progress of his adversary indefinitely.
He was also responsible for correcting the Roman Calendar.
@@theta_clips Spot on #dead
@@SchmittPlaythroughFR iirc that wasn't Caesar, but instead Bibulus, the man who was elected Consul alongside Caesar during his first consulship. A Consul had the power to set the dates for certain festivals or holidays to be held, and being on the opposing side to Caesar's populist reforms, Bibulus tried to use this to prevent any of Caesar's proposed bills being voted on.
It should be noted that Bibulus did this because he'd been publicly humiliated in his efforts to stop Caesar's big Land Reform proposal and as a result never returned to the Senate, effectively hiding in his home in disgrace which left Caesar to be Consul on his own for the entire year. His scheme also amounted to nothing as Caesar, thanks to being the Pontifex Maximus, was able to handwave away the issue of the Senate conducting business on festival days, the fact that Bibulus was regarded as something of a joke by that point likely did the man no favors either.
Fun Fact: At the end of a Consul's term they got to make a speech before the senate to close out their year in office. Bibulus suffered a final humiliation when he had his speech vetoed by a Tribune of the Plebs.
The delivery of the “shame on house of ptolemy” was just so fucking good, just barley controlling his rage when you try to be collected but your mind is going a million miles an hour
The flickering eyes. The cast down brows. The slow, gathering breaths.
The pauses. The taking in.
This was one of the most human versions of a heartbroken Caesar we have ever seen. So much going in behind the facade. And that classic Roman arrogance. But, because of his expressions, we can sympathize.
I used to shrug thar Rome was canceled for Game Of Thrones.
But as the years go on, i feel we lost something great.
We Lost something unique
twas a great show, i guess it got a little expensive in production or something. No doubt it would have gotten more popular each season. Plus if the actors get too expensive, just choose a different timeline and replace everyone, jump ahead to Caligula, we'd watch it
Yeah, and for Game Of Thrones. Oh the humanity
Dude I love Rome and watched every episode from the premier to the finale but to say they canceled this for GoT is just wrong unless they were developing GoT for over 4 years. My understanding was they reshot most of the pilot for GoT at the last minute so I’m going to say highly improbable they were related at all. Rome was always intended to be a mini series covering the same part of Roman history as Shakespeare. That’s what they did.
@@dzonbrodi514 this was a miniseries that ended 4 years prior to Game of Thrones premiering. They have zero to do with each other besides the fact that if Rome hadn’t succeeded GoT never would have happened.
To say Caesar was a complicated individual would be an understatement. He showed ruthlessness on the battlefield, but when people (romans) surrendered to him, he showed extreme mercy. He didnt even disturb Pompeys lands and villas. He might have legitimately want to pardon Pompey when he was done. He let his wife and children return to Rome having all of Pompeys assets available. He didnt punish any roman who fought against him. Which he may have regretted as 30 of them started stabing him in the theater of Pompey.
It's sound military strategy to always give your enemy an out. Make surrender cheaper than continuing to fight and they'll eventually lose the will to keep pushing against you. It's similar to how Lincoln pushed for peace during the Civil War.
Caesar himself was nearly a victim of the earlier purges under Sulla. He saw the damage from that civil war and tried going the opposite route of pardons. While he had ambitions and obvious signs of dictatorial rule, he also sought reforms to fix what was a broken Republic. The Optimates were too terrified of the changes to see how they could have benefitted from it.
Rage for his enemies, love and mercy for his friends. Ambition yes but not just because he wanted power but because he knew he could better Rome with it. HERE WAS A CAESER WHEN COMES ANOTHER
I would have LOVED to sit down and talk with this great man. To see how he viewed to world.
@@paulwartenberg8479 Maybe he shouldn't have made himself a special golden chair and not walked around rome dressed in the Royal purple.
The amount of contempt in caesars voices is incredible.
The best way to explain Egypt and Rome is a sane, based version of America dealing with Saudi Arabia.
@@publiusdos5925 Rome bring the US. And Egypt Saudi?
@1526andrews Egypt was a bread basket, ruled by despotic foreigners and clients to a larger empire.
SA is a oil spigot, ruled by a despotic 'family" as a client kingdom to a larger empire.
It's not entirely misstatements.
@@Leisurelee53 Plus SA is filed with rich princlings with more money than sense. Look at the Saudi military. It has all the best hardware the US and world can offer and still sucks.
@@1526andrews Egypt fed Rome with wheat, and Saudi feeds the USA with oil
Rival or not, he was still an important figure in Roman politics and beloved and highly respected by many throughout the Republic. Caesar was fully aware of that and sailed to Egypt in the hopes that there may yet be peace and forgiveness between Pompey and him.
To find out that the leader of your vassal state - in other words, your lower subjects - directly ordered his unprovoked assassination without your knowledge or approval, and seriously thought that serving you his severed head while cruelly joking about it would impress you... It wouldn't have surprised me if Caesar would just have everyone in the room arrested and executed for the cold, unprovoked murder of a figurehead of the Roman Republic.
Also, the advisors' claim that Pompey's corpse was cremated with proper rites was also a direct lie. They simply threw his body into the sea, as if he was some back-alley dog.
Shame indeed...
Not to mention Pompey was for a long time his friend and even family(he was his son-in-law).
I just finished this series and I couldn't agree more.
I am of the mindset that this was his plan but even if he was to be executed the idea that an elected official of Rome would be executed by barbarians without the Romans even being consulted was unacceptable. Wars have been started over consuls for far less.
Never mind that harming a consul was still considered straight up sacrilegious. So even if Julius Caesar had come to despise Pompey this was a massive insult to the Roman people and couldn't go unanswered.
Imagine if pompey took Ceasars side....
If Caesar had had a few legions with him, nobody in that palace would have survived I reckon, only reason he didn't do more was that he was in a rather precarious situation
Just that one word. That quick, sharp “Silence!” Every inflection was perfect, every emphasis and measure and tone so brilliantly delivered. You can really tell, not just how angry he is, but how much he’s trying to control himself while hearing all these humiliating things the Egyptians were going to do with Pompey’s head. A puppet body, controlled by players on a stage, with games and animal acts. To treat a dead war hero, who’s only wish was to serve and fight for the Roman Republic, in such a despicable manner. Shame!
I love how he's a guest in the Capitol of the King of Egypt and he the one in total control.
They aren't Egyptian, they are Greeks
@@essaadeel3676 I’m fully aware that the Ptolemaic dynasty was Greek, however the nation they rule is Egypt and I lump them in with the term as a means of expediency. While I do apologize for the perceived inaccuracy of my statement, sometimes contextual convenience outweighs historical semantics.
If Caesar wasn’t there, it was Pompey’s era. Imagine being called “the great” by everyone in your country, a privilege unseen since Alexander
He defeated Mithridates IV and conquered Pontus, destroyed the pirates of the Mediterranean, conquered Syria and Armenia, helped end the Sertorian and Servile civil wars and was also given the nickname "adulescentulus carnifex", which means 'teenage killer'. Honestly, a pretty underrated historical figure.
They even mentioned he was the greater man at the beggining. The theater of which he would be assasinated was named for Pompey@@bubastis6306
He was given his cognomen 'magnus' (the great) as a jest from his then patron and dictator Sulla. But he wore it as a badge of honor until he genuinely earned it.
I'd like to point out how when the Egyptians had their hands on their swords when Caesar rose that Posca stepped between them. This unarmed, untrained man put his life on the line to potentially buy Caesar a few precious seconds to escape in case things went haywire. Really shows you how much love and respect Posca and Caesar had for each other despite their vastly different stations in life.
dude stepped up like "who the fuck are you to stand up like youre gonna do something?"
Caesar may not have been in their alone. I was thinking a few legionaires or centurions might be nearby.
If they had tried to attack Caesar they still would be a husk of a country today to be hissed and laughed at.
people think that was the real scenario :D :D you think somebody would just act like that in front of ceasar after conquering the world? NO wonder u a us cit :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Caesar was famous for offering clemency to his enemies. He wanted Pompey alive in the hopes that the two greatest men of their time could unite and make Rome a stable and prosperous empire. With him in charge, of course, let's not romanticize it too much. But it still speaks to how much he respected and valued him.
Indeed. Civil wars tend to be bloody affairs at their conclusion. Leaders of the losing side either flee the kingdom or nation altogether, or they get executed. Clemency like this is atypical throughout history. Caesar even tried to have the appearance that business went back to normal with the Roman Republic, even with old enemies back in Rome, which turned out to be his undoing.
Yes but it was pompei pompousness that wouldn't allow that to ever be
But many many men have died crushed under their heel of their own hubris. Pompei would rather have gone on living in exile
Which says to me that it quite easily could have.been some kind of deterioration attributed to his age made him stubbornly driven away by. A false notion.
In some ways Gaius Julius Ceasar was like a protege to pompei
It seems utterly twisted to be turn resistant to Ceasar's
Triumphant victory. From his conquest of Gaul Pompeii even married his daughter and when she died it made Pompeii bitter
Ultimately it was Septimus Severus who killed Pompeii Magnus in Egypt in hopes of currying favor with the boy
King and foolishly the Egyptians miscalculated the reaction of Julius Caesar
He was utterly vengeful
One of the first rules in Roman politics, or maybe politics in general, everybody wants to be in charge.
Well, that and the Egyptians were vassals, and had no right to even consider harming a Roman leader. Thankfully, he punished them for it.
Get back here so I can forgive you!
*Respect, honor, tradition, order, and hierarchy were chiefly important to the Romans. Assassinating and beheading Pompey was highly illegal, insulting, and degrading.*
The Romans, or more accurately Roman citizens, expected to receive respect and honour but they rarely ever gave it. Even by the standards of the ancient world the Romans could be unusually cruel and sadistic, like when they’d ritualistically strangle men, women and children of the lands they’d conquered and plundered at the end of a triumph in what was essentially a mass human sacrifice to Jupiter.
I think it’s important not to idealise people like Caesar and the societies they belonged to.
@@FranceKilledThomasSankara so they did the correct thing? no problem with that ;)
@@FranceKilledThomasSankara Barbarity is the norm. Organized barbarity the evolution. Barbarity is not to be celebrated, but the organization of that which is typical to humanity towards productive ends that which must be elevated. Cruelty in a cruel world. The people who lived in this time and performed these acts are not so different from us, some say not at all. Forgive and learn from the sins of our forefathers.
that could be true for Caesar but not for the many others, Cornelius Sula for example killed many senators and put their sewered heads in a forum
and you don't need me to mention how Caesar himself died
More like, it was a threat to their imperial supremacy. They didn't want provincial authorities even thinking about violence towards Roman officials, let alone committing it, even against renegades. That train of thought would lead to the fracturing of the empire.
Everyone talks about how great Ciaran Hinds was, but everyone sleeps on Nicholas Woodeson as Posca. You can see his emotions mirroring those of Caesar's, complete with the unease as the jar is brought out, the sorrow when the head is pulled out, and the utter disgust at the Egyptians once it sinks in what they have done.
ahh posca.
what a great character.
Specially because Posca had ne need to make a show out of it, it felt genuine. Caesar could have that motive in the end. Because I highly doubt that he would have spared Pompey.
I love how when the Egyptians reach for their weapons he immediately steps forward and put himself between them and Caesar.
@@terranman4702 he definitely wouldve. caesar was known for his clemency to romans (and romans specifically) that fought against him
AND he was ready to throw down with like 5 Egyptians for his "master' (I barely like using that term for such a competent human as posca)
Game of Thrones: shame on the execs of HBO for such short sightedness, shame.
HBO: but you were enemies.
Game of Thrones: IT WAS HBO’s ROME! HBO’s Rome, to be cancelled and shortened like some Friday night sitcom. Shame!
Underrated comment such as this beloved show.
You, sir, are a man of culture! May the gods bless you and your comment!
That last remark hurt lol
Sorry to all you GOT fans but I cant get into the bizarre fantasy world of it all. Massive amounts of CGI and it still cost a fortune.
"Where is the rest of it ?"
Ciarán Hinds will forever be Caesar in my eyes.
We are lucky to be alive to witness such magnificent acting.
He has such an Augustan look about him. Very much believable as a Roman.
A small detail, that I like to believe was accurate was Caesar asking for “Pompey Magnus” even at the end, Caesar still addressed him as The Great
Nothing:
Literally nothing:
Me randomly in the day : HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!
Hahaha
2018 called, they asked for their dead meme back
@@hkleider Your mum called, she said don't come home tonight; because I'm cumin over
1:56 This is my favorite still in the series. Caesar dressed like a soldier intimidating the crowned prince. What an absolute display of power.
That beautiful orange square can never be replaced.
Civillis
You can see by Caesar's expression as the jar is being set down on the table, that he already realizes what's going to be pulled out of it. Boy did they ever misjudge what Caesar's reaction to Pompey's death would be.
In an alternate world:
"We got you a gift, Caesar."
*2 guys bring out Pompey's head on an intricate animatronic body*
The acting is incredible, the look of apprehension as the jar is set down.
The reason why Rome series was so good and was expensive is because the ensemble of grade A actors casted for this show. HBO was invested. And so were the actors. Majority of actors love playing these Roman era based roles - if the script and settings were right. In which case, this series could have easily kept going for 7 seasons. But HBO pulled the plug as it was yes, expensive. But mostly the Roman era based series was difficult to capture more audience.
It could've all the way to Germanicus, even feature the crucifixion of Big J.C.
@@eliavi3251 i think if jesus was born during caesars time, and caesar had heard of him, he woudnt have crucified jesus...instead hed try to persuade him and all his followers into being romans
It was planned for five seasons with the final one being about the rise of Jesus in Palestine.
@@eliavi3251that was the idea for the last season
1:00 I love how it looks like he might already have an idea of what it is, and he's giving them a look like "This better not be what I think it is."
Even though they were formally declared enemies, Caesar and Pompey were brothers by sacred oath as well as great friends, if this friendship had not happened, Caesar probably would not have risen so high in his life. This scene moves me because it shows how the two, despite the war and politics, never failed to have the consideration they had for each other, Caesar was not only devastated by ethical and patriotic issues, but also by the fraternity that both had. This is shown at Pompey's funeral, where tears fall from Caesar's eyes, for having so cruelly and abjectly lost his friend.
I think it's important to add as well even though they might be enemies it looks bad when a Consul is killed by Non Romans in general. It makes Rome look weak and might give Barbarians ideas. Caesar essentially is saying yes he was my enemy, but how dare you kill someone who bears the representation of Rome.
Caesar respected Pompey so much. To see him shamed like that must have broken his heart
Hinds is such an insanely good actor. Look at this scene. Seriously you could watch this in any language and understand exactly what's happening.
I think Cesar was angry for 2 reasons, 1 he loved to pardon Roman enemies, to make other Romans admire him, Pompey would have been the ultimate pardon. And 2, if this happened to Pompey, it could happen to him
I think a 3rd reason is that he felt Rome and its politics were far above those of Egypt, which was, in his eyes, a mere Roman possession. He felt it wasn't Egypt's place to interfere in the dealing between Roman Consuls because they were far down the chain of importance.
And he was a counsel of Rome
@@arkwill14Yeah this was the main reason more so than others. To put it how they would have back then, these backwater Egyptians had no right killing a Roma Consul.
Ciarán Hinds is a master.
Best line. Ciaran Hinds delivery gives me goosebumps. Actually Ciaran Hinds gives me goosebumps 😘
once an adversary, always a friend
Ciaran Hinds is one actor who never disappoints. I don't even know if the man knows how to phone in a performance.
I never noticed the tear rolling down caesar’s eye there at the end. Bravo
This show was so good, in real life caesar was broken by this, and even reportedly started weeping, weather he liked pompey or not, he still had great respect for him, even for the next couple weeks after caesar drank himself stupid every night, and he was never a heavy drinker, the expression shown by the actor was amazing at portraying this.
he was married to his daughter, he had some feelings for the man
-Ainz: Shame on the kingdome of Erantel for such barbarity.
-Noble: but you are enemies.
-Ainz: HE WAS YOUR PRINCE!
Bone daddy will have no mercy!
Re-Estize, but yeah
"Bury him with respect"
@@Jampolo_OG thank you
@@Jampolo_OG then, the best part where I grin like the Cheshire Cat.
Ainz: Albedo, take them (useless nobles) to the Neuronist.
Albedo: Yes, Ainz-sama.
I just watched that clip before this. I feel manipulated xd
Loved how Caesar wanted to make peace with those who opposed him and welcome them back into the fold rather than kill them. I think this series is underrated. It was awesome from beginning to end 👍
For all of Caesars military genius his real skill was politics.
@@pepe8560 In the Roman Republic, those two things required each other. To be a politician, you had to first be a Legionary and use your required time in service to acquire the lowest available political office once you were eligible. Then you'd want to achieve higher office, so you'd spend more time in the Legion as a junior officer and get that promotion once you were eligible. Then you would want to achieve even higher office, so you'd go back to the Legion as a senior officer this time. And on, and on. If you were a bad soldier, you'd never achieve office; and if you were a bad politician, you'd never find an opening in the Legion required to serve so that you would be eligible for higher office.
@@kristofevarsson6903 agree and disagree. Family connections would bypass a lot of that. Many inept people commanded soldiers. And many great leaders didn't play politics
@@pepe8560 Well you're talking largely about the Patrician class, since they're the only ones who would have any meaningful political connections. Anyone not a member of the founding families of Rome - so 95% of the rest of the population - would have to follow the Cursus Honorum.
@@kristofevarsson6903 correct me if I'm wrong but only Patricians were allowed to hold elected office or command legions. Everyone else was relegated to tribune of the plebs or or subordinate leadership roles in the military
The thing about Caesar here is that even within this portrayal there are multiple interpretations:
Was he bothered by watching such a great man, a friend, and a fellow Consul be so casually butchered that it filled him with disgust and rage, or fear that he might one day end up the same?
In that moment, infront of his egyptian subjects, I think he just felt rage over the fact that they would do such a thing to a roman consul. A man better than them. Romans thought of themselves as superior over others (except greeks)
Exactly!! Like there's genuine grief over seeing the remains of a man who used to be his friend and colleague, but he's also basically seeing himself, knowing that if he lets it slide it could very well be his own head next. He's sad but I think he's also deeply uncomfortable. And obviously the sentence "To die in this sordid way, quartered like some low thief" makes it even more significant.
'If they could do it to him...' @@shinobusaidnope6712
I think that serie is the most beautiful work fiction television on ancient Rome. Polly Walker is greater as Atia!!!
I still think I, Claudius works better, even if it's antiquated.
I Claudius was great but was more of a fixed set stage production.
@@tommyboyindy1157 True, but those have a certain charm, and if you have the actors of the caliber I, Claudius had, they could have been wearing jeans and a t-shirt and still pulled it off.
Caesar was also pompeys father in law. He'd have been like family.
Pompey was older than Caesar tho
@@AxenfonKlatismrek And? Pompay married Caeser's younger daughter, thus, making Caesar the father in law of Pompay
@@hexcss9153 oh okay. I'm not English speaker
@@AxenfonKlatismrek this is true. Pompey married a much younger woman.
No it's even sadder she died in child birth.
Someone else here said this and I agree. Ceasar wanted Pompay so he could do what he needed to do respectfully. Despite everything, Pompay was more than just a consul of Rome, he was his longtime friend and family member. (By marriage) He loved Pompay. He wanted to at least have some chance of a final conversation, some closure between them, a chance to say goodbye and then execute him with all the dignity and respect he deserved. And these people just ruined that for him. You could feel his anger and how it took everything in him not to kill every MF in that room.
Maybe allow Pompey commit suicide even. He would've come out as being fair and merciful. Surely Pompey would be finished politically, he could've made him a Console somewhere in Bactria lol
He did kill all of them, eventually
I could be miss interpreting the book too but in civil war, it seems as if Pompey didn’t even want to fight Caesar. That the senate pushed him to do it because he was the only one around who stood a chance of stopping Caesar. They were Allies and maybe even partly friends… I bet Caesar wasn’t even going to kill him!
@@connor9024 Caesar had no intention of killing Pompey, he wanted to reform things, even if in a sanguinary manner, but he wanted to keep the republic. Augustus made the decision to kill the old oligarchy and create a new one, that wasn't worth spit.
he would have pardoned Pompey like he did everyone else
I love Posca’s mouth-agape look of shock. Caesar is disgusted and angered, Posca on the other hand looks baffled and horrified. Like, “Don’t you know who Caesar is? Why the hell would you do that?”
Probably the 10th time I've watched this, between UA-cam and my boxset: and I only now noticed Caesar's real tears at his friend's cremation.
It always has something more for you, this show.
Ciaran Hinds was phenomenal in this, to the point where after his character left the show, the absence was felt keenly.
It’s madness that Rings of Power is getting a second season, when one season of Rome is all we got.
That is not true,have you missed an entire season all along? They produced two.
You can just use google dude, and you'll discover that Rome had 2 seasons, not 1
Rome was probably the best show HBO has ever had aside from Band of Brothers. Game of Thrones was okay, it had its moments, but lost its way towards the end because being fiction and based on an incomplete book series rather than having a base in history GoT's script writers had no idea how to finish the show...
Even as enemies honor and dignity among great men was important. One thing is a battle between rivals , another a cruel, treacherous and brutal assesination
Ptolemy didn’t “like Caesar’s tone” at 0:18, but he and all of his sleazy advisors - who up to that point were pompous and self-assured - trembled in fear when Julius let his temper get the better of him at 1:50. The fury of Rome in a single man’s anger, indeed.
The gravitas of Hinds in this series has implanted in my head now whenever I think of Caesar.
It's him.
This was and is the best show about the roman empire.
Romans didn’t necessarily mind killing each other. Caesar made a mark by not outright killing his all Roman rivals, but he was unique. Romans would absolutely object to anyone else killing Romans though. Roman belief in their own superiority was real, and even though Egypt was part of the Republic, and once a great nation itself, they weren’t Roman. The Ptolemy family were Greek, heirs to Egypt since Alexander the Great. Whatever Caesar’s motives for sparing Pompey would have been, the murder of Pompey not only ruined Caesar’s plans, but Pompey was also Caesar’s father in law, and it was a massive offense against Roman superiority and authority.
The plot, acting, music, directing, production ( the list goes on) was perfection
Shame indeed. He has a consul of Rome for god's sake
Not so fast...I want to hear more about this mime show.
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!!!!!!!!
@@theunraveler But we want the elephants.
Shame on the House of Clarence Russell... Shame.
And what’s up with that thing with the fox and the crocodile 🐊
@@goodstuff8156My guess is that Ptolemy was being instructed in strategy through animal fables. Which makes sense considering that He's a kid
This moment, these scene specially the actor protrating caesar. The moment he saw the head of his friend, brother, roman, consul he was holding his rage, tears, sorrow and shame.... powerfull
What would Ptolemy have thought to see his house brought so low, to see his Egypt reduced to a beggar, his family to pitiful, spiteful, stupid children squabbling over the ruins and not even understanding their weakness and foolishness, the pawns of corrupt and decadent servants, and the sort to so badly misread a man like Caesar? What did Caesar think, knowing these wretched, contemptible figures to be the heirs, if collateral, of Alexander, a man whose memory Caesar and many others worshipped?
"Posca! Long time, no see. But what are you doing with that severed head?"
"I have a favor to ask, friend Kratos."
Love the body language at 1:55. Ptolemy's advisor is supposed to be his servant but he's holding the kid like a human shield.
Ciaran Hinds is the best Caesar ever.
Who dares say otherwise? 🤨
Amazingly they looked very similar as well.
Exceptional actor
Another nice bit of trivia, Ciaran is Irish, and Julius Caesar apparently was the first to write about Ireland in the annals of Roman history.
Also historically speaking if those men would have drawn their swords it would have been the last thing they ever did. Caesar was no slouch, armed and in full gear he was more than a match for them. He often fought on the front lines when things got desperate, marched on foot and won a civic crown for fighting his way out of impossible odds.
For me this is one the best acted scenes ive seen on any screen. But then again i do think about the roman empire to much :p
This was such a good show. It is unfortunate that it was not continued.
Can you imagine the Persians that used an Emperor of Rome as a footstool a few hundred years later having to tell Ciaran Hinds about it.
Or the Partheians who did the same shit with Crassius not more than 10 years prior after his failure to invade Parthia being defeated at the battle of Carrhear, captured and had his throat pour with molten gold, and his head delivered to king Orodes. I bet if he stood on Crassius's head he could see all the way to Rome through that endless Syrian desert.
@@The-Big-Boss yeah, Parthians were always a thorn in Rome's side that Rome could never bring itself to dislodge. I mean Trajan conquered Mesopotamia but conquering so much land so far away from Rome protected by a competent administration and army was always out of the question. You're either Alexander or Rome, you can either conquer the east or the west, you can't have both.
@@The-Big-Boss the parthians took his head and used it for greek theater
It was at this moment he knew, he fucked up.
Ciarán Hinds deserved more than one season as Caesar.
This is up there with Stephen Dillane’s performance as Thomas Jefferson as my favorite performance of a historical character.
Me: Never watched Rome. Also me: Oh, it's the Eric Cartman of Egypt.
That just shows what a person you are........................
Lol great bait
Caesar didn't respect his authoritah.
Eh, Caesar! You will respect my ah-thor-i-ty!
This was an amazing series. Just phenomenal acting here.
The look on the Egyptians' faces that they'd just brought down the wrath of Rome on themselves.
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME
A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends.
Ciaran Hinds: my favourite version of Caesar.
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I love how Posca takes the head of Pompey. Wait a minute boss, you forgot something.
Lemme get that real quick
We see here Julius Caesar very well composed. In reality he was furious.
If Caesar didn't need Egypt's grain, he would have razed Egypt and sold the people as slaves for what they did to Pompei. It wasn't only that Pompei was Ceasars's friend, it was also the fact that Ptolemy went far beyond his authority. Egypt was a vassal and it wasnt their place to decide Pompei's fate. They robbed Caesar of his friend, they insulted Caesar by denying him the right to decide the fate of his defeated enemy, and they insulted Rome by killing one of its most famous public figures and a hero of Rome.
The grain must flow.
They fought together against the barbarians, he trusted him and left him some men while he fought. Even though he betrayed him, he still considered him a brother.
What a powerful scene! The Actor Expressed great Presence as he spoke .
I can think of other shows that were brought low too soon. Rome is at the top of the list, along with Firefly, Babylon 5.
fuck it imma watch rome again
Note at 1.00 Poska and Caesar's look of trepidation they suspect what's in the basket.
Yes, that worked rather well for king Ptolemy XIII....
A consul of Rome. The way Caesar says it, goes to show you that the most powerful elected man in Rome's politics has more power than kings or pharaohs or other tyrans of vassal states of the Roman Empire. And Caesar wasn't a bit afraid of scolding Ptolemey either because he was one as well.
And there is Vorenus thinking "I tried to save him, but it killed him."
I know we all talk about Caesar's reaction, but watch Posca. The moment he sees the head, he KNOWs what's coming, Caesar is pissed. I love the moment his eyes flicker between Caesar and the rest, as if he's wondering how many of these people will be dead in the near future.
such an awesome series this was! (sadly it felt tooooo short, but kinda better then Game of Thrones overall!)
and truly funny to see the "cesar/anthony" actor duo in other films aswell 😅they truly like working together!
Really like that back ground music man, do it in the Spartacus tv show too, was so great 10/10 the prequel and the first season was great 10/10 , second season and the third was very good but not great 8/10
Caesars anger makes no sense except in one context. pompey couldnt be kept alive he was too dangerous a standard. Caesars outrage accomplishes two things, it absolves him of guilt/responsibility for the murder of a very popular general,it also gives him pretext to invade egypt for killing a roman consul.
The reason why i love Ceasar. He respect his enemies.
Yikes, Mance Rayder was having a bad day 😬
From the perspective of Ptolemaic Egypt, it's a great tragedy that their leaders so fatally underestimated Rome's superiority complex, and that even as an enemy who he'd happily kill in battle Caesar still respected Pompey enough to be disgusted as such an ignominious end. But I suppose if there was any dynasty that would be incapable of recognising Roman superiority, it would be the Ptolemies who equalled or exceeded even the decadance and arrogance of Rome.
Possibly the best series HBO ever ran.
Superb serial
I only really recently watched this show, I was a kid when it was new. I really love it, its incredible.. I wish they had all the funding, I want to experience Rome in every way. Learning about the average people, not the generals and leaders, is one of my favorite parts of history. They were literally just like us, they just didn't have the luxuries and technologies we do, but its so humanizing to see them just... Exist. Looking for work, worried about civil war because their very business and livelihoods were at risk, not to mention the lives of their friends/family in a brutal conflict. I think its important to understand these people were just as smart as us, just as talented in arts, and just as passionate about their friends and loved ones as we are today. I joined the Navy to escape homelessness, I can really understand why some of these legionaries would join up and can empathize with the boredom that comes with standing watch all night or being deployed. What I will never be able to fully grasp is the years these people would leave their families and friends to walk halfway across the world to witness violence and horrors I can't possibly know about. I want more shows about the average people in antiquity, less about the people we already read about.
It's where we came from--the West. The Greeks and the Romans. The Romans lasted roughly a thousand years. We took on their form of govt and engineering and laws.
I agree with you. It's amazing to me that you can read a complete "history of Rome" and barely learn a thing about the homes regular people lived in, the clothes they wore, the way they interacted with others, the food they ate, or the way they practiced religion. These things are only ever briefly mentioned, as if a nuisance to the narrative. Instead, it's always "this wealthy and powerful person decided to fight with this person" over and over and over again. I can't believe the authors of such histories never get self-conscious about the absurdity of what they're writing. Are they that brainwashed?
1:48 Father Larry Duff! He's tremendous fun
Damn even Posca knew that was f*cked up
Loved this show
In killing Pompey, you have also killed Caesar. In a way, I like to think that had Pompey been brought back, he would've deter Caesars assassins away from actually killing him.
You need to remember, firstly, like brothers and sister, only Romans are allowed to kill Romans. And secondly, Pompey was Caesar's former ally and son-in-law as he was married to (and possibly in love with) Caesar's daughter.
And even if they weren't particularly in love; The couple was pretty happy for a Roman upper-class marriage, from what I've read, and I also heard that Caesar was especially fond of said daughter. Add to that the massive and ridiculously fanatical ancestor / family cult of the Romans, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Caesar react like that even if the son-in-law killed wasn't as important as Pompey Magnus.
He regains his composure outwardly quickly and his initial rebuke is measured shame on the house etc. Then when questioned further 6 words explode from him making everyone in the room tremble...