Ali Farzaneh swinging heavy clubs (17 kg each) in Zurkhaneh competition
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2008
- Morshed Ali Farzaneh from the Belgium Zurkhaneh swings the heavy clubs (Mil or Meel Sangin from Persia/Iran) at the European Championship for Zurkhaneh Sports in Saarbrücken, Germany, 2007. He won a gold medal for this. This is one of the many disciplines in the Zurkhaneh. The Meel weigh 17 kg each.
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The gold standard
its an ancient persian workout thats twists the muscles in the arm and shoulders to build inner power. My dad has metal ones that im practicing with. fun to do also.
You have no idea how difficult its to do that. I remember when I used to do bodybuilding and I thought I was very strong and buff but one time I tried to do the swinging with much smaller clubs it put immense amounts of pressure on my wrists because it is so difficult to keep balance of something very heavy and relatively long vertically. I think this you want to shake hands with this guy
Yes sir ,it's all about focus and perfect balancing and also strength
Brilliant technique, I learn something new every time I watch this video.
I saw this video 3 years ago and i still watch it........after this video i started following you richard
Paul Taras Wolkowinski do you know how such a competition Works?
How?
This is a very big performance! Respect!!!
This ... was ... PUTSTANDING!!!
With dumbbells you’re just training/ using one type of muscle at one time but using mugdar/ meels/ gada requires almost every upper part of body to work in sync. I used to gym and tried 16 kg of mugdar but failed miserably, I had to start from 4 kg of mugdar, now after 1 month i can train with 6 kg of mugar from one hand, it looks easier but its requires so much of upper body power, its best of MMA & boxers, the upper body generates hell alot of power/ push on punching something.
masha allah iranian people are hero and zurkhaneh belongs to iranian people good luck
This is almost 7000 years old Persian (Iranian) budy building , and the club you see its all Iranian , way some people want to take all the credits from Iranian and Iranian history !
7000 years is a long time. At what point did we transition from budy building to body building?
Know your facts
The earliest records of this type of resistance device being used by wrestlers predates the 19th century, in ancient Persian, Egypt and the rest of the Middle East.Their practice has continued to the present day, notably in the varzesh-e bastani tradition practiced in the zurkaneh of Iran.
Well in the thirteenth century text, Malla purana, discusses Lord Krishna and Balarama’s prescriptions regarding wrestlers’ bodies and training methods such as club swinging; the text exhibits that the club swinging has long been a regulated practice.
ma'sha Allah
Amazing fluidity and technique.
yes, thank you.
Dorud bar Ostad Ali Farzaneh, Yade Takhti gerammi bad.
Mohandes Jelvani
I just want to clear something up so some people may not get the wrong idea here. Some of our Indian friends raise an objection to the fact that club swinging was first brought to India by the Persians. They talk about the GADA and it's application throughout the history of India. However they dismiss the fact that Indian GADA (a long bar with a ball shaped weight attached to the top of it) is totally unlike in shape, size and structure to the Persian Meel. Even the method of using it is different to the way Persian Meel is used. In ancient Persia which is at least 5000 years old, Iranians used something similar to Gada when going to battle...Then I suppose we should say, that Indians copied their GADA from the Persian mace! Don't worry, we are not going that far. LOL. International Zurkhaneh Federation, established hundreds of training centers all around the world, mostly in European and Asian countries and I wouldn't be surprized if 10 years from now, in a city and in a country which hosts a Zurkhaneh center, someone comes along and claims that the birth place of Zurkhaneh sport was his own native land from the beginning. It is ridiculous No?...By the way, I am familiar with the stories of MahaBharata and Ramayana which I must say are beautiful but there is no connection here between these legends regarding Gada and the Persian Meel. One thing though, Zurkhaneh or the ancient martial art of Iran is as old as the history itself and just like you friends who don't want anyone to mess around with your history, we Iranians don't like anybody and I mean anybody to play around with our cultural heritage either. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here writing all these stuff. Just one other thing for closing this lovely discussion, I always have and had a good deal of respect for our Indian brothers. I still think that Indian people are a very polite and decent people but Mr. Raj, If you ever want to insult someone, do it right in front of thier eyes and face not from behind a computer terminal. This is NOT manly and Venkatesh Babu, in reply to your comment here, our feelings as Iranians are not going to be hurt because there is no logic or truth to what you say regarding clubbell swinging. You are simply misled. I hope you are satisfied with my lengthy explanation. In any case, In order to substantiate your claim, the burden of proof rests with you and not us. I am sorry, If I hurt your feelings. LOOOOOOOL.
Sean Pour this excercises were copied from India during nader shahs time as well as many jewels were stolen from India which are the Iranian national jewels now.
@@aniketyadav9838 there are coins in iran from thousands of years ago,showing people working out in zourkhane.and I am sorry for your country to be attacked by Great Nadershah.but do not forget that he did not stay there and treat you like slaves like english troops.so be respectful about my culture.it does not need to take anything from you.and next time if you wanted to talk,make sure to have enough information about it.otherwise,keep your mouth shut.
That’s a fair comment and I thank you for taking the time to type it out in a civil manner.
...and I actually believed you were genuinely sorry... for hurting his feelings... until you laughed out loud with 9 O's, of course.
That being said, this was some great insight. Thanks for sharing, Sean. Appreciate it.
So I've got no dog in this fight being neither Persian (Iranian) or Indian. I'm Greek, we invented enough ; ) But in all fairness to say that the gada doesn't count as the predecessor of the meel is manipulating facts. Yes the gada is somewhat different in shape, but the principle is exactly the same - a weighted object that is long and heavier on one end than it is on the end which is being held. i.e. a weight that is not balanced, unlike barbells or dumbells (which were invented by the Hellenes), that lends itself to rhythmic swinging. The Persians made it heavier, but adapted the routines to be simpler and shorter to accommodate for the heavier weight (more in line with the Persian personality that demands a man do the 'heavy' lifting). Anyway, to an outsider it sounds like someone saying, "we invented vinyl covered dumbbells which are completely different than all steel dumbbells."
I'm in Shock and Awe over your comment Ahkmed. ; )
آنچه ورزش زورخونه ای ما را زنده نگه داشته سختی خود ورزش نیست بلکه موعظه های مرشد است که نه فقط جسم را که روح و روان ورزشکار را سالم نگه می دارد. یک باستانی کار محیط افراد خود را سالم نگه میدارد بدور از دین مداری! چون فتیان و جوانمردان و عیاران کمک ستمدیدگان و دشمن زورگویان بوده اند. خدا رحمت کند صادق هدایت که در داستان کوتاه داش آکُل چه زیبا این پهلوان جوانمرد را به تصویر می کشد. راه مردان و مردانگی پر رهرو باد.
Amazing, blows my mind.
Incredibel work.
I know how much i suffer with half the weigth....
Well in the thirteenth century text, Malla Purana, discusses Lord Krishna and Balarama’s prescriptions regarding wrestlers’ bodies and training methods such as club swinging; the text exhibits that the club swinging has long been a regulated practice.
You are an Idol
Dorud bar Ostad Ali Farzaneh, Yade Takhti gerami bad.
Mohandes Jelvani
I agree those meels appear to be in the 17kg to 25kg range. Your shield cast of a 45lb clubbell is sill awesome. What is the possiblity of a video of you swinging your 17kg meels?
Great strength! He probably can do a few reps with a 100 kg power twister.
Simply Pustanding!
I know, no possibility to change it.
Putstanding performance
Ya Aliiiiiiiiiiiii... Long Live IRAN...
If only these were more available/affordable in America...
nice group pic in the end .....towering men
thanks trooskens
Yes. These are Iranian Meels or Persian Clubs.
During the Mongol invasion of Iran, many Iranian Pahlevans travelled to India and with time they introduced some of Varzesh Pahlavani training tools to Indians. One of such tools were the Meels.
During victorian era these were introduced from India to Europe, were British would simply call them Indian Clubs...
However Indian Clubs look different in shape from the original Persian Meels.
@Mayur Chinchane loooool yeah sure!
Yes ALI is a Shere....
Masha Allah
Ali-eest!!!!
Super
Simply said yes it is due to the geometry of the club (length & shape). To said Meels are better than Clubbells is probably not true. It depends on your goals, and what you want.
Bravo
There are exercises that get you ready for this
Those are some strong rotator cuffs, man.
Well noticed, it's a dynamic movement that requires coordination and a lot of stabilizing strength. It's dynamic, kind of like snatching or kipping pull-ups. I like that more than isolating movements for cheer muscle gain
Thats because it was meant to train soldiers wearing melee weapons- weapons like clubs
Thanks cedric trooskens for giving me the details.
Please let me what is the procedure to participate in zutakhaneh sports.
My dear friend, you may start with some basic light movements to get you familiar with the rhythm and feel of the 7 different exercises which make the main body of the Zurkhaneh. I don't know were you live but If you are able to find a suitable training center near you, I am sure the Ustad (coach) there, is able to help you out a great deal with your training. Anyway, at the beginning you start as a novice and gradually work your way up the ladder. Just like all martial arts there are different ranks and levels to this sport. If you train hard enough, you may also learn the techniques of Persian combat wrestling.
saw your vids you are very good with joris by the way Vishal ji respect to you that you are a student of such pure sport........
Thank you. I wish you the best.
I’ve recently done some swings with my competition Meel on my channel. I really wish I could contact Ali Farzaneh so we could train together.
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Nice
Cest quoi c'est battes de base-ball ?
The Sheik used clubs that were 17 lbs . of course he could use more but if Ali is winning GOLD in 2009 with 36 lbs I think it's sensible to say sheik probably wasn't using clubs that heavy 30 years ago .
how do you not hurt your elbow doing that?
I thought those were way heavier than 17kg. I just ordered a 35# clubbell, i guess it will be harder than i thought.
They might not weigh so much but the size and shape of those meels are so hard to control it so therefore it may weigh more when u doing it
MashaAllah
Imagine the ground and pound on man
Both 70 and 17 are possible. I've heard of clubs as heavy as 40 kg each used in the Zurkhaneh, but everyone uses the lighter versions too, for longer sequences and variations.
Gama The Great from India used to do 40kg clubbell swings
I think my arms would fall off!
Can you tell me why wooden meels are more difficult to handle?
Is it because wooden meels are much bigger?
I have a pair of 20 wooden meels and thinking of getting a pair of 25 those clubbell.
Now I just changed my mind.
Wooden meels have a lot more leverage than a club bell. And club bells are small and compact
I was hoping there would be more variations of movements. So there is only this 1 basic movement? I was hoping for something similar to nunchucks
+Ubuntu Contributionism (TUCS) Of course there are many variations, but not in this part of the competition.
Get rid Of Money right???? so basicly just swinging some wood around I do that already every time I take a pee
Cedric Trooskens
There are many variations but those are done with lighter weights. This exercise is basic exercise where you can go heavier, just like you can go heavier with Deadlifts, Squats, Military press...
Cedric Trooskens how does this part of the competition work?
Jesus fucking Christ he must be a strong man
what is the weight of the clubs
35 lbs per club approximately...wood is a lot less dense than steel
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Mashallah (self explaining)
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Bale Shire! (Indeed he's a Lion!)
these clubbels can vary from 5 - 80 kg I actually haven't seen anyone with a 80 kg yet but I'm there is someone
What's the weight of these clubs ?
17 kg each
Cedric Trooskens
Keep up the good work bro.
i appreciate the great power of this phelwaan lifting 17 kg heavy clubs but honestly if you think this is heavy , then kindly check out Indian pehelwans swinging indian clubs 25 kgs each
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Your 35# clubbells will be much easier to swing than those 17kg (33#) meels. A friend of mine has a pair of 20# clubbells and he can't swing (control) either of my 15# or 20# (wooden) meels.
What weight are each club?
+PlantsAsMedicine 17 kg
respect
It's named Indian clubs by the British who saw this for the first time in India, but it was imported into India by the Persians. Stop calling people 'dick'.
This has nothing to do with India or British coinage of what they saw in India one-two hundred years ago.
This is a Persian man swinging a Persian Meel in a Persian Competition
Make your title relevant to its content
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Well said
شیر مادر نان پدر حلالت باشه پهلوان
Aw, shiz-nit!
bonjour,
j'aimerai avoir un contact avec vous ,pouvez-vous me donner votre email si cela de vous dérange en rien ,merci
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@jesuswillneverrise Really? Exactly how is it clear?
Also muscle memory if you were isolating your muscles then they wouldnt have been used to working in harmony with each other
imagine if baseball bats were like that!
whats the weight anyway?
if it was hollow it wouldn't be so crazy
Hi
Indian ??????? Who are Indian? It is old persian ( IRANIAN ) GYM with some Spiritual training.
Admin ! it wud be better that be sured first abt sth and then publish it ... do not steal a Great People culture and name it to other country ...
Indian Tamil Nadu state old workout tools name kalakatta
Gold metal for that? Wtf? Why? He just did the same movement over and over again. What did they judge him on?
@elkidsays sheiks were not even close to that . More along the lines of 20 . Watch the average referee and ring man easily lift them from the ring after sheik completes the demonstration .
Similar to mathematics, these exercises originated in India and travelled to Persia
Other way around.
Same thing with martial arts and math
Believe it or not this sport is named after pahlavi dynasty(Arsacid Parthians from 2nd BC to 3th AC) and that means it was originated in persia and then traveled to india
Even nova days indians use persian words like Kushti and Pahlavan for wrestling and champion and it means this sport was originated in persia and then traveled to india
@@aniketsatpute2389 persian was the dominant culture of the region for thousands of years and vast areas of India were satrapis of persia. Even mughals brought persian culture more so to India, indian court langusge was farsi before the english took over . So the flow of culture and customs was clearly from persia to India not the other way around. Also zurkhana tradition comes from training soldiers for battle, persia was a military might that rivaled and defeated Rome, while India was never on a similar scale. It's funny that even the parts of India that have this culture are the North western provinces which were under persian rule or in close contact with Persians while the southern and Eastern provinces of India don't have these traditions.
@@alirezarezaei2976 Ye Kushti and Pehalwani is used. Because hindi language has influence of Sanskrit and Persian after Muslim invasion era. Prior to that it was known as Mall yudh/Dangal. Even today Dangal word is used. Mall yudh is frequently used throughout Ramayan and Mahabharat era. These clubs were called Mugdar/Mudgal at that time
If abstract notions like mathematics and physical exercise routines could not care to stay in India for long, how can we blame the people for wanting to leave!
what proof u have got that it is imported from Persians, i respect Ur view and also encourage u to do a research thoroughly. in India we have documents based on clubs and Gada or maze date back to more than 5000yrs. Indian malla yuddha fighters used heavy Gada for war.Mahabharata climax is Gada fight between Bheema and Dhuryodhana. if i am saying wrong then please bring Ur research papers let us debate this club swinging purely belongs to Indians not Persian.SORRY if hurting Persians feelings.
venkatesh babu cough cough..
come dude, 5000 years ago we didn't saw anything from india
venkatesh babu
light-skinned-Aryan (Persians) brought it with them when they invaded Dark-skinned-Dravidian India...
Logic Killer correct
@@ssheikh3598 u have to read more
Then your girlfriend left you for a middle eastern in the middle east. Tough experience!
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what the hell?
Hey, mtbkbmt character...in reply to what you said here. Check the results for world wrestling championship in 2014. Iran's national team beats all other teams, most notably the Russians and the Americans both in Greco-Roman and free style wrestling and with so little effort to become the world champion in both disciplines. So you better watch what you say here BOY.
How is it a martial arts when all I see is dancing and excerising
It's a martial arts strength conditioning system
i see the left club leaning on your chest!.....cheating
dose your comment meant to be funny? Are you somekind of a JOKER?
it wasnt really something to be thought of so in depth. but when i use to do them i wasnt allowed to lean them on my chest but then again the ones i used weren't that big....but then i guess that means they're too heavy for him....w.e i was taught that it was cheating but good job to the guy for doing a lot of weight...hope that clears it up for u
Sebastian Fierro
Thank you. I didn't mean any disrespect and I apologize for coming out a bit hard here. It is because sometimes I see a bit of disrespect when it comes to this sport. Regardless of the way it is taught outside of it's birth place, for Iranians (Varzesh Zurkhaneh) dose not represent just a sport. it is a way of life...It is extremely sacred.
Only 17kgs they r portraying as if 50kgs. lol..
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I can do EASY
why everyone want to be like iranian....this is old iranian body building. only IRAN. nothing to do with india
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Indian club????!!!!
This is Iranian traditional sport. You fool Indian I s going to rub it for yourself.
search hanuman ,and gadadhar vishnu these are terms from 5000 year old manuscripts verified through carbon dating
gadha itself means club
resistance bands give a better workout.
What a stupid title. They are Indian Clubs called Mugdar in India. They originated in India and when they took it to Persia and started calling them Meel.
No I'm sure it's the other way around. This is an ancient sport in Iran which goes back hundreds and hundreds of years ago not to mention India was part of Iran during Nader Shah. Go read the history
@@ftahmasebi9059 LOL......where do you read such history ? Nader Shah was only a petty invader who was in India for a very short time and did not rule India at all. On the other hand Indian kings like Chandragupta and Ashoka ruled Iran for hundreds of years. Go read history from some authentic sources.
Also the reason why everyone knows this is an India sport because India has books and architecture mentioning the clubs and mugdar thousands of years ago where as there is nothing like that in Iran. History doesn't go by the fairy tales you believe in. Rather it is based on evidence.
@@IWillKillSomeDay discussing with clueless people like you is nothing but waste of time.
@@IWillKillSomeDay
North India was invaded by Aryans (Anciet Iranian) who shaped Hinduism and Sanskrit Language. It was later spread to Dravidian South India....
@@ssheikh3598 this theory was disproved long time ago. On the other hand it was Indians who migrated to different parts of the world including Iran and spread Sanskrit and Indian culture there. Thats why you find very old traces of Hindu culture in Africa, Arabia and Europe.
how can something be so boring??