if the new secrets mechanic has 0 haters i am dead
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- AD - Gifted. I just feel like snooping is SO cool and so much fun, the idea that we can now break into sims homes?!?!?!!? SOOO MUCH FUN. THE FACT WE CAN EAVESDROP?? OH MY GOD. FANTASTIC. AMAZING. THE FACT I CAN LITERALLY PERUSE SIMS CHEST OF DRAWERS TO FIND OUT INFO??????? STUNNING. but at the end of the day like...what for? for something that isn't actually tailored to a sim and has no real benefit? does it change my social status? does it go towards a job? can i get more than 100 simoleons depending on the sim??? not really. cool concept but no real benefit/drawback to using it
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Can you imagine if the secret were based on milestones? A secret of an affairs, break ups or even peeing your pants. Too bad milestones are locked behind paywall 😭
The worst part is Base game has a hidden milestone system within the code they definitely could of used for this.
@@micheledesfontaine6057 You're KIDDING me! It's in the base code? Damn.
@@micheledesfontaine6057 EA is just successfully gaslighting their fans. Truth is, they could very well use DLC mechanics in other DLCs, they just pretend like it's not possible
would be so slay
imagine paying for glorified achievement system that is free in every single other game...
i feel like the sims team has misunderstood the meaning of lore in the sims. instead of ‘backstory and extra information’ they have gone with ‘random unconnected tidbits teehee’
From what ive seen a fair amount of the secrets are like inside jokes about the sims game and community, thats the lore aspect Im seeing. I dont really care about giving sims in the game more "backstory" bc I dont ususally play with them, or theyre dead within 3 generations.
I'm pretty tired of 'lore' and 'gameplay' that is really just more text to read or a new thing to click. NPC roles were implemented OK, but I think the game just stops assigning more roles after the first gen are dead? I'm playing legacy and I'm not sure how to trigger a new Entrepreneur or Eco Master once Bess Sterling and Knox are gone
@@lucaleone4331its called worldbuilding lmao its an integral aspect of any game. Try playing sims 2 and you'll see how much more immersive it is
@@marchforjune The game should generate new sims to fill those roles automatically. Bess Sterling is dead in my save but a new townie is doing her calls instead.
this is why a memory system is crucial because then the secrets could just be from that specific sims memories (them cheating, fighting someone, stealing, secret children, hating someone, havinf a crush on someone etc etc.). it would be really simple to implement the secrets aspect too
The milestones would have been perfect for this... but they are tied to a pack 😭
@@inzanity490 yess youre absolutely right
could you imagine if the landgraabs secret was that they had a secret son and what her job was... but that would be too much to ask for from ea
Ah but that would require EA to dedicate like two hours of work, and we all know EA is allergic to increasing the budget
@@DoinItforNewCommTech we must respect their allergies 😔🙏
One thing I’m just realizing they should have added was making occults be a secret, like you could blackmail someone if you find out they’re a werewolf or an alien.
Its kinda implemented for mermaids...
I think legendary townies should have lore-specific secrets (can you imagine the tea from the Goths, Pancakes, Calientes, Lothario????) and the randomly generated NPCs should have personality-related secrets.
Would have been the perfect time to add little bits about Bella's disappearance in the other timeline. Could have made it a whole parallel world/shifting realities/glitch in the matrix thing, I would have fainted, I think, from excitement!
Hopefully modders can fix up the secrets, cause they don't really do anything but add random flavor text. It could have been incredible if secrets were affected by what sims do...like if someone cheats on a partner they get some kind of infidelity secret which you can use to REALLY blackmail them, or go and tell their partner. Maybe I'm just too chaotic.
That’s how I feel about most sims 4 content-interesting ideas that are okay at first but feel shallow in execution due to lack of real depth
@@CreoTan Same, Sims 4 feels really bloated with a lot of mediocre features. I tend to get bored with it pretty quickly and always end up going back to Sims 2 and 3.
You are asking too much from the sims 4 literally almost everything is just a stat stick with no real impact to gameplay.
@@CreoTan thats the downside of Total control. They cant go to far as the sims is suposed to be total control
@@CreoTan however ther is suposed to be alimit of how many secrets a sim can have so this might just be a Bug and the suposed number is 3 secrets
Wait so breaking into houses and snooping on sims didnt get added as requirements for the criminal or spy careers? What a missed opportunity.
Every single sim in every family in TS2 had unique memories that told a little bit about them. I really don't think giving townies (just those with lots/families, maybe not every single one) custom fitted secrets would be too difficult, especially considering how much smaller TS4 worlds are compared to those in TS2.
The sims 2 was far more about THOSE sims than the player. I feel like that wouldnt work well in the sims 4. Atleast from how I play and have seen others, the townies dont make much impact in my game. So I wouldnt care if they were as in depth as you are wanting. Especially if you do a legacy, theyre all dead by your 3rd sim anyway.
@@lucaleone4331 ok but if they had unique memories and secrets, they WOULD make more of an impact. Nobody's saying they'll overwrite your own Sims, but premades? Premades should be............... premade
@@DoinItforNewCommTech Ok but Im not talking about premades. My world is almost more filled with randomly created sims. Premades are only good for like 1 to 2 generations before they die out.
So I feel like the majority of the world is fill with sims potentially without memories. So secrets based on memories wouldnt be a long lasting system. (Also how many memories would make "juicy" secrets)
@@lucaleone4331 this is a big generalization, imo. Sims 2 is not just about the premades. It literary is just details to make the world feel lively. That much is straight from Sims 1. I played mainly with my own sims when i was a kid and never felt like I was singled out or missing out on something. Because the details aren't Sims 2's main focus.
No wonder Sims' descriptions in 4 are empty/nonsense, the game was adapted from multiplayer to singleplayer last minute. A lot is just padding, so the game feels shallow.
@@ember9361 I agree!
I love playing the premade families and rotating around the neighborhood. A big problem with Sims 4 premades is they start with a lack of actual real story to them that match their descriptions. Is it too much to ask for Johnny Zest to at least know his family and have a poor relationship with them? Or Bob and Eliza to have a low relationship/romance? For Summer and Liberty to start with a crush on Travis?
Sims 2 did this the best and it gave everyone in the neighborhood personality, an actual life, and potential for drama. Even scripted events for those who start the neighborhood to really get things going. It shouldn't have been difficult for the Sims team to give meaningful secrets and relationships to premade sims for those who like playing with them or for players to discover who don't play them. Like, what does "Bob doesn't like his dirty sink" really do and mean? Nothing...
This would have been such a cool mechanic, if we were able to set them in CAS and the secrets weren't random....such a shame
I just really don't get why every single EP has to have a little side feature because they get dropped every time.
We have already: lifestyles, likes and dislikes, family dynamics (although those are quite nice), wants and fears (which for the record are even worse than whims).... and I'm definitely forgetting something. Why do we need a feature in every pack can't we just have a well rounded simple pack that actually works well and has the theme thought through and through ? It's just exhausting to keep up with these half-baked features
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THISSSS!!!!!!!!!! These features NEVER have any cross-pack compatibility, either. They're always entirely self-contained, and it makes using them feel so.... pointless. Nothing you do in For Rent is gonna add a unique Sentiment. Nothing you do in Horse Ranch is gonna add a new Milestone. Nothing you do in Growing Together is gonna add a new Secret. Those Secrets, Sentiments, and Milestones can't be posted about on Social Bunny! What is the point? It's like they're designed for players who only own one pack.
Well, what about the rest of us?
@@DoinItforNewCommTech
Exactly. Like how are you gonna shill for the new packs yet put no cross pack compatibility? How about you flesh out the abandoned systems you already have?
I’m kinda annoyed by family dynamics becausez every time I take care of my infant or toddler (bathing, feeding etc.) it suggests that they have a strict relation? Like…I’m just taking care of a kid. How is that strict? 🥲
All of the above 😢
Can I just say I am a serial modder when it comes to TS4, I need a new mod every fricking week just to keep me engaged because I get bored of TS4 within an hour of playing it (and irritated OMG why are infants so broken??)
I recently reinstalled TS3 and HOLY COW. I played it for ten hours straight and was disappointed that I had to stop! Proved to me that my preference for TS3 wasn’t just nostalgia. Also only sitting through loading screens when switching between towns was SO refreshing. I also didn’t experience much lag despite the open town, but I have a much better computer than I used to, and I remember it used to be bad.
TS4 just feels like a hollow shallow shell of the sims and the secrets mechanic really shows that in a glaring way.
I have more fun playing sims 1 and sims bustin out than TS4 to this day
100% agree they phoned it in with the secret system. I'll give them some points back if there's cross-pack compatibility (ie. a Spellcaster having a secret that they like Vampires). But let's be real, it's going to be modders who flesh out the system. Like how much do you want to bet there isn't a life event* for buying your first rental property?
ETA: *milestone
The dichotomy of wanting to watch a Plumbella video whilst also wanting to discover all the secrets yourself when the pack is officially out is killing me. Also the best TV series of all time is The Nanny with Fran Drescher and there is nothing out there in this world to convince me otherwise.
You are absolutely correct that show is quite literally a masterpiece and you have spoken facts on these days
It is THE peak sitcom 🙏
We stan Fran in this house 🙏
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I love this show so much! I can’t even tell you how many times I rewatched it
If they had a memory system like the sims 2 they could extrapolate secrets from that - like getting married being a bad memory, or having an affair, or woohooing in public or with a person that worked for you. Those would have been so much saucier and not randomized
Sims have to make everything very PG because they are marketing to children. That's why everything is always so watered down.
@@la6136this game is rated T why in the world are they marketing to children
That little mermaid synopsis was 10/10 amazing 😂
THANK YOU! **high five**
It would for sure be better if secrets were more “appropriate” and linked to traits like you said. Milestones could also play a role. They can’t make personalised ones for each Sim, but maybe they could have given “the staples” some, such as the Goths, Pancakes, Landgraabs, Vlad, etc (Sims families with deep lore and present in previous games) and NPCs like the Flower Bunny, Creepy Clown Guy, Crumplebottom, the animal creeper dude from Cottage Living and the Wine selling guy from Horse Ranch to name a few.
"animal creeper dude" bahahaha
Greg. Just imagine the secrets in Moonwood Mill.
@qwinlyn Oh, THAT's his name! I had forgotten. But yes, his secret would be... dark.
@recycleyourcar Him be creeping! Also, forgot his name... His secret would be, well animal-centric, let's just say that.
So many things in the sims 4 are such good ideas and then the execution is just beyond messy. Like I love this in theory but come on EA 😭
i think there could've been so many interesting ways of making the secrets a gameplay changing feature... they could've explored a lot with it and make them about not only traits and likes and dislikes but also about the sims' actual actions, like cheating, getting promoted, starting a fire, and many other things. i am finding this pack quite lazy and it's just a lot of wasted potential
i just wanna say that i will buy this pack, am really excited abt the building apartments and stuff. but a random flavour text that does not match with the sims life marketed as a feature... is simply not okay. it should be like sims 3 that they have a pop up mentioning something that actually happened... or if it is just text that does not affect anything, they should let us write our own secrets.
ok but not everyone plays every single sim. So if that was the case someone like ME, who only plays my family would have noone around with secrets, bc nothing happens to those sims...
@@lucaleone4331 i definitely should have worded my thoughts better, my apologies. i think that if the secrets were to be how they are, i think they should be like plumbella said (being aligned with the sims traits rather than fully random) for the sims that are generated by the game PLUS the feature to write down our own secrets if we’d like, as extra customisation, since it’s just text with no effect on the gameplay (like we can write family bios)
@@feripo4354 Hard agree wit the sims traits secrets!! That would be alot more fun and easier to code I would think. A mixture of the random ones that are like Sims inside jokes, and ones pertaining to traits, like messy sims not washing their hands, or snob sims kicking over sandcastles or something lol
Then there would be a mix of random, but also personalized traits without only focusing on preexisting sims that will perish after a generation
why they didn't created secrets depending on character traits ? 😮
That sweatshirt with "drown them" is the first piece of merch I have ever actually wanted. I am dropping the Christmas hints hard to my family 😂
The secrets feature is just another thing that makes this game feel so shallow! Secrets need to come with some kind of consequence or I have no incentive to look for them. Will I use the break - ins to steal things w a klepto sim ? absolutely. Will I look for secrets? I don't think the 100$ blackmail is enough to make that a compelling feature to return to.
Can't wait to see what modders do to this mechanic but that says it all, doesn't it?
That grim reaper lover letter of a secret sounds like my vibe in the early 2000s though. I was in tears laughing at that 😂
I also wish like NPCs that come with the worlds got their own specific secrets. Randomly generated ones can have things that don't make sense, but iconic NPCs deserve bette secrets.
I think they should have done secrets for different traits, living in different places, different ages, etc.... SOME effort maybe
Omg the cowboy Grim lost was Robert Crumplebottom, Agnes’ “deceased” husband!
If you reread his secret closely he said he lost a COWBOY HAT, not a cowboy.
I think it was a reference to the Sims 2 DS port. Grim's a cowboy-ghost-mummy thing in that game and instead of reaping people he kidnaps them in a burlap sack since your sim can't actually die in that game.
The most obvious reference in his secret is to the Sims Medieval. What's interesting is that in that game he wears red, has wings, has long hair, and seemingly still has flesh. The Sims 4 is the only mainline Sims game where the Grim Reaper still has flesh, so linking it to the Sims Medieval was a pretty nice detail. Plus, the Sims 4 Grim's robe shares the more general design elements to that game's Grim compare to plain black robe and skeleton hands the other games' Grims had going for them.
@@MegaNightcore101 aww man! That woulda been cool lol
You know if we can find secrets by going trough trash of a neighbor or like looking in their postal box or watching them in the telescope, or gossip, or hacking? Things like that. And if we can learn stuff in the Strangerville story by snooping arround? Would like to have some cross pack functions like that.
Once again i got excited for a pack just for it to be shallow 🥴
3:52 is so real. I'm on console so no mods for me but it's so frustrating when I can't find the dialogue options I'm looking for lol
I don't play Sims 4 but isn't this a weirder way to replicate gossiping from 2? Like there sims would share embarrassing secrets from other Sims they know like infdelity or pissing themselves, and that made sense because the secrets have actually happened
Yes! They were tied to the memory system! It worked so well
I wonder if Father Winter and the Flower Bunny will have their own secrets too??
Nova hintet that ther ar speciel secretd
@@indedgames4359 what?
I wonder if Bonehilda and Guidry have secrets 🤔 probably not lol
Or Yamachan
lmao of course not
You should be able to choose a secret for your sim like we used to be able to choose fatal flaws. Then there wouldn't be gameplay complications with setting up secrets for each iconic townie.
I feel they should of made 5 secrets for each personality trait in game that are shocking for that trait like romantic had a secret affair once or daydream about the wrong thing or a snob who secretly loves animal crackers but thinks it's beneath them and then added like 3 secrets for each potential career in the game and a sim could only have 3 secrets at a time like a uni teacher who failed his student cause he was annoying, or a writer who stole another writer's work - that would of felt contextual and relevant instead of these randomly generated secrets. It would of been one unique sims has the potential to have 18 different secrets but only has 3 and another unique sims could have a pool of 18 completely different secrets.I'm starting to understand the "this is a game pack, not an expansion pack" criers
Clearly nothing aimed at the UA-camrs - but every time we hear ‘what you see isn’t the final version’ .. we know that it’s the final version right? Even if there’s a day one patch. We KNOW they don’t care if it releases broken - My Wedding Stories is enough of an example and that was after they ‘fixed’ it. And I mean…Dine out is dead in the water
Yea, definitely. And I think Jesse is on our team as well; the resignation in her voice when she said that spoke volumes. "I am contactionally obligated to say this but we all know it's BS". Was how it read to me anyway but that's just my opinion and not facts 😅
I feel like an extremely easy way to do secrets better for the rando sims without putting much more effort is to just limit secrets to 3-5 per sim, and the same secret cannot be applied to any sim twice until the whole list is exhausted, then it resets. ie: there's 20 secrets (random number), and the first sim is applied Sinking Feeling, so that would make that specific secret out of the rotation for all other sims until the other 23 secrets have been used.
Love that in the one about snooping and breaking and entering, there was some karma and jessie was snooped on
I might make the secrets not random by getting the sims in question to start doing things in line with what they’ve said.
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So I’m a modder and I’m taking a peak at the coding for how secrets get assigned and THEY FULLY HAD THE CAPABILITY to make it so that things like traits or a sims home neighborhood the secrets sims get but instead all they did was make it so that animals and babies (and the grim reaper except for his one special secret) don’t get any secrets attached to them.
I mean their laziness doesn’t surprise me but it also means I know damn well modders will have this shit fixed in about five seconds
That’s so raven…it’s the future I can see…that’s so raven…it’s so mysterious to me…
God that was bop
Sha Noop is the best name ever lol
Edit: I love that they have one about Smeagie lol
imagine the secrets mechanic but with sims 2 milestones 😭
6:44 Eliza is a very troubled woman
I wonder if the flower bunny and santa and sims like that have secrets like grim's.
Also it would be kind of fun to *make* the secrets be lore. Like have a snooping sim and when they find out something, go give that sim the appropriate game play. If it's a grilled cheese secret, have them do that, or if they love grim, let them marry him. Or if they hate willow creek, they're not allowed to go there or interact with any of the sims that live in willow creek. Could be a fun kind of challenge.
truly cannot wait for the sims competition coming out next year, this is so low quality...
I love the idea that, from Eliza’s perspective, this random sim comes over and just interrogated her for literally hours about all her secrets and then left to murder someone else
Loved this video! This made me miss the console sims games with mysteries and missions hidden in everything. I wish I still had my gba sims bustin out
Your sister coming in at the end had me in stitches!! Best thing I've seen in ages!! Thank you, lol! And also glad to see she's doing better! ❤ Merry Christmas to you both and your whole famfam 🎄🎅😁
I wonder if this secrets business will have any link to the bug planting in Strangerville
Cross pack compatibility? In the Sims? Next you'll be asking for basic features not being locked behind a paywall!
“Is that really what my hair looks like from the back??” vibes
4:52 ok Oliver Specter calm down
Girl the first secret i got was a sim being a secret arsonist who silently hoped their food catches on fire so they can see the flames 😭😭😭😭
17:36 that laugh is genetic, huh.
When you have full gameplay maybe you can ask people like bonhilda and agnes crumplebottom! I bet her long lost husband from the ranch pack might have juicy secrets too
I wonder if any of the expansion npc's will have specific secrets like Grim? i.e. Father Winter having a secret about where he gets his gifts, stuff like that
More lore?! LORE IS LOVE!!! Plumbella continues to serve us content!
I really wish we could make a Community Project out of this or something with a modder. Like people are writing Secrets for traits or even some Default Sims (Like Eliza) and someone does a mod to get it Info the game. I would Love that. But i bet it would be to much Work in the end to even sort out the ideas.
It's good that you made that clarification for legal reasons. Wouldn't want to risk getting sued by tigers and lions for defamation
You brighten my day every time u upload Plumbella! Keep going!
I agree, a lot of secrets should be dependent upon where that Sim is actually living. Not just the world, but the actual neighbourhood. After all, Sims living in one of the starter home of Oasis Spring and one living next to the Landgraabs should have radically experiences. Then, for Sims that moved from a world to another one, the secrets from their original residence should stay, and those from the new place should trickle in over time.
9:44 - 9:53 * *pigeons be like* *
I thought it was gonna be like the secrets from the sims psp version where you had to sell the secrets and the evil doctor dominion was there. Kinda sad they didn’t bring him back 😅
Your Little Mermaid tangent literally almost killed me. Nearly sucked an M & M down my throat laughing so hard. 🤣🤣
not to comment on an off topic moment in the first two minutes but That's So Raven is literally everything to me. I forgot how much I used to watch it until I rewatched a couple years ago, it truly did so much to shape both my humor and speech patterns!
Omg that mod, girl u saved my life. I needed this
Oh snap! me and plumbella are on the same wave! rewatching That’s So Raven rn
I was not prepared for geralt at the start hahah im so happy you like witcher 3. Sims 2, 3, and witcher 3 tied for best games ever?? Possibly
jesse casually saying the little mermaid steals mens’ legs is sending me, do u truly believe that or are u just the funniest person alive
the little mermaid plot revision got mw hyperventilating girl you can't keep doing this 😭😭
THANK YOU FOR THE PIE MENU MOD REC OH MY GODDDDD
Don't be suspicious DON'T BE SUSPICIOUS!
Your voice is my ASMR!!! ... I don't know why but when I go to bed I put you on and your voice just soothes me!! ❤😂
Gosh I wish my energy was on your level Jess!
The thing is, they’ve already done stuff like the secrets. It’s in a different format but whenever you do the “gossip about _______” or whatever interaction that, I think, is base game, you get the little “I heard that so and so is an evil slag” pop up and it’s about as effective as this nonsense
As an avid Crusader Kings fan, I'd wager that this new mechanic is more than a little influenced by that series of games; particularly CKIII. Sort of a trading influence thing given that the CK games lift more than a few mechanics from the Sims.
However the Sims could have definitely benefited from copying more than just the basic format, secrets in CK are procedurally generated- however they're based on a character's personality, memories and relationship to other characters. Also there are a few instanced secrets for characters in each start date, in CK's case they're limited by actual history since that's the "lore" for any historical grand strategy game; however in the Sims they had the opportunity to get really creative with the instanced secrets and evidently squandered it.
The tone a lot of the secrets have definitely makes sense for a series like the Sims, I wouldn't expect it to get as dark and dramatic as CK secrets- those games really don't pull any punches in that regard. I like the idea on paper, it's just weird that they seemingly copied the idea but not the finer mechanical points of it's implementation. Hopefully this gets some work in future, but damn if that doesn't feel like a tired refrain at this point- we're still waiting on some previously implemented half-baked mechanics to be fully fleshed out so I won't hold my breath.
i do believe theres a setting in the sims 4 menus to make the conversation chart go back to how it was before but i havent found it yet
Yes you can! It's in the game options menu and you change it back to "sims 3 menu" I believe I've only recently got in to the sims 4 as I still regularly play the sims 3 and it was one of the first things I changed as it was driving me mad 😂
Ur video titles are magnetic girlie 🫶🏻
I wounder if Bonehilda has secrets hmmm
the more lore, the better the pack imo
random flavour text is not lore 😪😪
Nah, Jesse. The back of your head is none of your business, babe. Keep slayin x
It rly would be great if the premades/townies all came with preset secrets
You should look up ligers and tigrons, they're pretty cute, but the way their genetics work is wild.
1:14 YOURE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY IT AND OH MY GOOOOOD THE THATS SO RAVEN TOO CD IS SOME OF THE GREATEST MUSIC EVER CREATED! SOME CALL IT MAGIC (B.F.F. REMIX)?? ID LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE TRY TO DO BETTER
I really live your channel because you’re so funny and passionate about the game
100% for an expansion the work should have been done to fit/make the lore in the existing characters. I’m usually pretty generous about the packs, but that’s a bit shitty.
A way of living 💀😭 bro destroyed Bob Pancakes
Is the 'Grim Reaper Jealousy' text at 13:13 a reference to the film Mean Girls and what's said about Regina George? Thank you for the upload, great content. Loved how thorough you are!
secrets could have been crazy in the sims 2
So aparently there's a secret about an abandoned dog, Smeagie, and THAT one at least is based on a Sims meme. You need to make an entire history of Smeagie now!
They shoulda let plumbella write the lore in the secrets
As someone who loves The Witcher, every reference makes me giggle painfully
EA makes so much money. They can pay people to write lore specific secrets to every pre-made sim in the game.
can't wait for more videos about new lore from my favourite Lore Enforcer haha
Geralt blessing our screens at the beginning ❤
I'll just say: I've come back to the Sims 2 on my old PC and I'm happy
Another thought - I know it requires Growing Together but I hope modders can find a way to link secrets to milestones and perhaps fears so they are less random - that would give plauer created sims meaningful ones too.
I see absolutely no point in Secrets in Sims 4 as it is. I hope there will be an option or mod to turn the feature off completely because I don't want even the little bar to be part of the Sim Panel.
The 🍉flag in the background is ❤🖤🤍💚
I wonder if the secrets/snooping/blackmail of Strangerville and For Rent are going to mesh at all or if it's going to stay two completely different systems.