A few comments about your "safety concerns." Southwest, along with many other carriers, does not have a CSPI (Control Surface Position Indicator) display. I've asked SWA crews about this before. The 'control check' is merely to ensure that the flight controls are free of movement. They are unable to visually detect any motion on the actual wing. While control checks are important, for SWA SOP, it's to ensure controls are free. If there has been a point in which they could check that the controls have free range of movement beforehand, then I'd argue that's likely sufficient. Secondly, I'm at a loss as to what "procedure" is broken at 20:23. As a commercial pilot myself, there is no regulation that insists that flaps must only be raised after exiting a runway. In fact, for some aircraft (like several Piper, Cessna, and Cirus aircraft), they specifically outline in their POH for pilots to raise the flaps immediately after landing to increase weight on the wheels for braking during short field landings. I asked instructors and did some reading to see if I could find any regulation on this, but the FAA only recommends that crews "do not initiate non-essential communications or actions until the aircraft has stopped and the brakes set," per their Runway Incursion Avoidance material, and that "after the entire aircraft crosses over the landing runway’s hold short line, conduct after-landing checklist items, based upon company procedures, before contacting ATC for taxi instructions," per AC 91-73B, Parts 91 and 135 Single Pilot, Flight School Procedures During Taxi Operations (which wouldn't even apply to this flight). For private pilots in their Cessnas or single-pilot operations in a Metroliner, I agree, waiting until past the runway and coming to a complete stop is a great idea; however, with a two-man crew at a Part 121 air carrier at an international airport, less-so. As for this SWA crew, I view it as a good CRM as they're on the same page, and there's nothing abnomal about it. I'd agree with you if they had begun retracting the flaps much earlier, but this is a 10,000-foot runway, and they're very clearly in the rollout phase (they're cleaning up at taxiway "B," and they've only used approx. 6100 feet of runway at that point, with nearly 4000 feet remaining). Furthermore, spoilers on the 737 after auto-deploy will re-stow automatically based on the thrust-lever position. If you quickly advance the throttle, the actuator will reset the spoiler system and lower the spoilers themselves, automatically. The 737 technical guide has a great video and page on this, as well as the entire spoiler and wing systems. Nevertheless, I don't see how this is a problem or a safety hazard, especially at the Part 121 level. I also googled Alaska Airlines and Delta Air Lines landings and literally within the first results, I found cases of their crews retracting the flaps and spoilers while still on the runway/during rollout: Delta 757: ua-cam.com/video/krTuK7tD0jk/v-deo.html Alaska 737: ua-cam.com/video/MjFN55Cqpqo/v-deo.html
This is exactly correct, it is irresponsible to spread misinformation for views and clicks on UA-cam. There was never any issues with safety on this flight
Back in October 2016 my family and I purchased a Southwest Airlines vacation package from KHOU - KLAX to visit Disneyland. We departed on a Friday evening and arrived in KLAX with no issues. The return trip the following Monday was the same. Living in the Houston metro area since 1986, we prefer to use Southwest and Hobby Airport whenever possible as we've always gotten excellent service and value for our money.
Flown SW many times. Really nothing stressful in this. They're the go-to for quick hops out of KC for me. Usually simply due to the lowered cost with no bag fee.
I've flown on southwest since 1997 from Columbus Ohio to St. Louis on a Boeing 737-200 and another trip to St Louis was on a southwest Boeing 737-700 in 2005. In 2021 I flew to Orlando on a southwest Boeing 737-800 coming home on a 737-700 in July 2021 I flew to Phoenix on a 737-800 flying home to Columbus via a layover in Nashville before returning home on another 737-700. In 2022 I flew back to Orlando on a 737-800 as returning to Orlando in July 2022. Last year I had two beautiful flights to Orlando on a Boeing 737 Max 8 and a Max flight to St.Louis I. September. This past February I flew back to Orlando on another 737 Max. September I will be flying to Tampa on a 737-700 returning home on a MAX. My overall experience has been fantastic. However I'm sad to see open seating going away next year. I might have to use business select instead of early bird check in to better that window seat by the engine
The culture at Southwest was MAGNIFICENT until they started Mergers and Acquisitions with other airlines. I used to fly them starting in the mid 80's. They were ranked #1 in on time arrivals, the least amount of lost baggage, and were #1 in overall customer satisfaction many times. And the Flight Attendants were nice, cute, and attentive. Those were the glory years under Herb. If you know, you know.
There was nothing wrong with anything. Either you're just trying to get views or you don't know how planes work. I fly Southwest a couple of times a month and have never had a problem. I agree with what @javiation737 commented. I have also had plenty of flight training myself. You could just start uploading Greyhound videos if you're scared of flying.
I would refer everyone to the comment made by the “actual” commercial airline pilot on this video that all procedures were followed and that nothing in any way on this flight compromised safety or was against procedures, it is a few comments up from this
@@GlobalAviationTravel I think he's teasing you. Southwest Airlines announced on or about July 25, 2024 that they would move to an assigned seating process and offer premium seating that gives more legroom. They didn't mention anything about wider seats like those found in First Class seating on other airlines.
I know they wanted to keep the open seating policy since the airline was founded but it’s very unpopular with the flying public and many have avoided Southwest because of this.
I don't know SWA's procedures, but there's absolutely nothing dangerous with raising the flaps when they did. It appears that they are around their taxi speed and they aren't really in a high stress environment at a smaller airport like that.
While I do think that the title of the video is a little "clickbaity," the comments from the defensive Southwest loyalists are just hilarious. For years, I've said that Southwest loyalists are pretty close to being cultish, and, well, the comments have proven me correct yet again.
SWA is the only airline I fly from OKC toNOLA & back to OKC, cannot say eough about how awesome they areĺ, truly a wonderful down to earth they are, no snobs but could if they chose to be 👋😉💛❤️✈️✈️
How is Southwest Airlines not safe? Used them 20 times and other than the occasional turbulence, had no issues. Btw, Southwest is having financial issues (though nowhere close to bankruptcy) because they’re having to keep many of their less fuel efficient planes in service as their Boeing 737 MAX orders are delayed due to Boeing’s cultural fuckups that ran afoul with the FAA.
A few comments about your "safety concerns."
Southwest, along with many other carriers, does not have a CSPI (Control Surface Position Indicator) display. I've asked SWA crews about this before. The 'control check' is merely to ensure that the flight controls are free of movement. They are unable to visually detect any motion on the actual wing. While control checks are important, for SWA SOP, it's to ensure controls are free. If there has been a point in which they could check that the controls have free range of movement beforehand, then I'd argue that's likely sufficient.
Secondly, I'm at a loss as to what "procedure" is broken at 20:23. As a commercial pilot myself, there is no regulation that insists that flaps must only be raised after exiting a runway. In fact, for some aircraft (like several Piper, Cessna, and Cirus aircraft), they specifically outline in their POH for pilots to raise the flaps immediately after landing to increase weight on the wheels for braking during short field landings. I asked instructors and did some reading to see if I could find any regulation on this, but the FAA only recommends that crews "do not initiate non-essential communications or actions until the aircraft has stopped and the brakes set," per their Runway Incursion Avoidance material, and that "after the entire aircraft crosses over the landing runway’s hold short line, conduct after-landing checklist items, based upon company procedures, before contacting ATC for taxi instructions," per AC 91-73B, Parts 91 and 135 Single Pilot, Flight School Procedures During Taxi Operations (which wouldn't even apply to this flight). For private pilots in their Cessnas or single-pilot operations in a Metroliner, I agree, waiting until past the runway and coming to a complete stop is a great idea; however, with a two-man crew at a Part 121 air carrier at an international airport, less-so. As for this SWA crew, I view it as a good CRM as they're on the same page, and there's nothing abnomal about it.
I'd agree with you if they had begun retracting the flaps much earlier, but this is a 10,000-foot runway, and they're very clearly in the rollout phase (they're cleaning up at taxiway "B," and they've only used approx. 6100 feet of runway at that point, with nearly 4000 feet remaining). Furthermore, spoilers on the 737 after auto-deploy will re-stow automatically based on the thrust-lever position. If you quickly advance the throttle, the actuator will reset the spoiler system and lower the spoilers themselves, automatically. The 737 technical guide has a great video and page on this, as well as the entire spoiler and wing systems. Nevertheless, I don't see how this is a problem or a safety hazard, especially at the Part 121 level.
I also googled Alaska Airlines and Delta Air Lines landings and literally within the first results, I found cases of their crews retracting the flaps and spoilers while still on the runway/during rollout:
Delta 757: ua-cam.com/video/krTuK7tD0jk/v-deo.html
Alaska 737: ua-cam.com/video/MjFN55Cqpqo/v-deo.html
This is exactly correct, it is irresponsible to spread misinformation for views and clicks on UA-cam. There was never any issues with safety on this flight
He’s complaining about stuff he doesn’t know about lol
I was dumbfounded by the concerns about "safety".
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Great camera work 😊😊😊😊
Back in October 2016 my family and I purchased a Southwest Airlines vacation package from KHOU - KLAX to visit Disneyland. We departed on a Friday evening and arrived in KLAX with no issues. The return trip the following Monday was the same. Living in the Houston metro area since 1986, we prefer to use Southwest and Hobby Airport whenever possible as we've always gotten excellent service and value for our money.
Flown SW many times. Really nothing stressful in this. They're the go-to for quick hops out of KC for me. Usually simply due to the lowered cost with no bag fee.
I've flown on southwest since 1997 from Columbus Ohio to St. Louis on a Boeing 737-200 and another trip to St Louis was on a southwest Boeing 737-700 in 2005. In 2021 I flew to Orlando on a southwest Boeing 737-800 coming home on a 737-700 in July 2021 I flew to Phoenix on a 737-800 flying home to Columbus via a layover in Nashville before returning home on another 737-700. In 2022 I flew back to Orlando on a 737-800 as returning to Orlando in July 2022. Last year I had two beautiful flights to Orlando on a Boeing 737 Max 8 and a Max flight to St.Louis I. September. This past February I flew back to Orlando on another 737 Max. September I will be flying to Tampa on a 737-700 returning home on a MAX. My overall experience has been fantastic. However I'm sad to see open seating going away next year. I might have to use business select instead of early bird check in to better that window seat by the engine
The culture at Southwest was MAGNIFICENT until they started Mergers and Acquisitions with other airlines. I used to fly them starting in the mid 80's. They were ranked #1 in on time arrivals, the least amount of lost baggage, and were #1 in overall customer satisfaction many times. And the Flight Attendants were nice, cute, and attentive. Those were the glory years under Herb. If you know, you know.
There was nothing wrong with anything. Either you're just trying to get views or you don't know how planes work. I fly Southwest a couple of times a month and have never had a problem. I agree with what @javiation737 commented. I have also had plenty of flight training myself. You could just start uploading Greyhound videos if you're scared of flying.
Great video!
@@GlobalTravelvideo thanks for watching
@@GlobalAviationTravel you’re welcome! 💛❤️💙🫶🏻
I love SWA I have never had a problem besides some delays!!
Per the SWA checklist, control checks are performed BEFORE the taxi starts. Were you looking then?
@@merlin43004 yes all the way from the start off pushback till we reached the runway
@@GlobalAviationTravel just asking because there was a gap in the video between push and start of taxi.
@@merlin43004 ya i dont film the whole pushback/taxi as it would make the video to long
I would refer everyone to the comment made by the “actual” commercial airline pilot on this video that all procedures were followed and that nothing in any way on this flight compromised safety or was against procedures, it is a few comments up from this
It's official: Southwest is moving to reserved seating and adding premium seating.
@@gregsells8549 finally!!!!!!
@@GlobalAviationTravel I think he's teasing you. Southwest Airlines announced on or about July 25, 2024 that they would move to an assigned seating process and offer premium seating that gives more legroom. They didn't mention anything about wider seats like those found in First Class seating on other airlines.
I know they wanted to keep the open seating policy since the airline was founded but it’s very unpopular with the flying public and many have avoided Southwest because of this.
I don't know SWA's procedures, but there's absolutely nothing dangerous with raising the flaps when they did. It appears that they are around their taxi speed and they aren't really in a high stress environment at a smaller airport like that.
Southwest is a safe airline
While I do think that the title of the video is a little "clickbaity," the comments from the defensive Southwest loyalists are just hilarious. For years, I've said that Southwest loyalists are pretty close to being cultish, and, well, the comments have proven me correct yet again.
No safety issues
30:29 this aged well 😂
@@theplanesguy yup pretty much right after I upload the video the news came out 😂
RIP Meigs Airfield.
SWA is the only airline I fly from OKC toNOLA & back to OKC, cannot say eough about how awesome they areĺ, truly a wonderful down to earth they are, no snobs but could if they chose to be
👋😉💛❤️✈️✈️
I see this channel is just trying to get viewership. Nothing wrong with this flight it the airline.😮
How is Southwest Airlines not safe? Used them 20 times and other than the occasional turbulence, had no issues. Btw, Southwest is having financial issues (though nowhere close to bankruptcy) because they’re having to keep many of their less fuel efficient planes in service as their Boeing 737 MAX orders are delayed due to Boeing’s cultural fuckups that ran afoul with the FAA.
Can you stop pausing the vid I want to see a full flight
Horrible airline.