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As a beginner rider, I find that I need to have one finger on the brake lever in order to gain a reference point of where the throttle position is, especially in slow speed maneuvers. The thick moto gloves desensitizes the feel of the throttle position and I feel that I need a stable reference point to control the throttle's position. Is this a bad idea?
I'm a 2-finger person for 3 reasons. (1) I used to do a lot of off-road riding, and 2 fingers on the brake became my sweet spot because using all 4 will put you at risk for losing grip over terrain. On the street, a sudden drop or bump can pull the bars out of your hands, especially if your posture has your arms nearly straight. (2) I blip the throttle for smoother downshifting while decelerating into a stop, so I really need to work the brake & throttle simultaneously. (3) Keeping a finger or 2 on the brake gives my hand a rotary reference point that improves fine throttle control in situations like corners where a gentle touch is needed. So... I put shortie levers on my FZ-07 and they are perfect for me. On the other hand, a retired motor cop said I should use all 4. So, everyone needs to find their own sweet spot here.
Have been riding for 53 years & I never cover the front brake lever. Have not had an emergency braking situation where I failed to slow or stop in time. If I anticipate a braking situation, all four fingers are on the lever. As a MSF instructor for 13 years, I teach my students that the brake lever is not a finger rest for all the reasons you mentioned. Trail braking is an advanced technique which is not taught to new riders & is not a technique I have felt necessary to use in my own riding.
I also cover the front brake riding on the winding roads of TN. I also make a very conscious effort to stay off of the rear brake will riding these hills and curves unless it's stop time.
@@TreyyDaMenaceFan i know the question is not addressed to me, but for most people learning to ride faster, keeping off the rear brake is generally a good idea until one becomes more familiar with the route and the other controls
On the open road, i.e. straight, level roads, I tend to have all four on the throttle. But I move two to three fingers over the top of the brake lever whenever I anticipate or simply "feel" there might be something potentially dangerous coming up: heavy traffic city driving, residential areas, blind rises, etc. Love the videos and I always learn something. You can never know too much, especially when it comes to riding safely.
I’m two fingers on top of the brake lever almost all of the time. It allows me to twist the throttle without pulling on the brake and if I’m braking I’m rolling of the throttle which moves the fingers over the brake lever. (If that makes sense).
I used to cover the brake with 3 fingers until I attended one of the Total Control classes. The instructor asked me to try 2 fingers for the day and I never went back to 3 fingers after that.
I train new riders to use all four fingers, and that keeping your fingers on the brake is equivalent to driving with your foot on the brake "just in case". It's also easier to reach and squeeze with your than to panic and pull with two. Personally, on road, I use all four, but off road, it's easier to use two. I haven't really figured out why yet, I think it's to keep a firmer grip on the bar if you are on rough terrain, and it's going to automatically reduce the probability of washing out hte front wheel.
I do the same, but use 3-4 fingers. I guess the big issue is how do we determine “potential hazards”? Sometimes, stuff happens when we least expect it. But for general riding, I prefer having all my fingers on the grips. This is especially true when I have a hand off the grips for whatever reason.
I do the same, but I try to use all 4 fingers because I ride older bikes ('29, '70 & '84) and it's quite possible to get my fingers trapped, preventing me from fully applying the brakes.
All four more feel , never skided my front tire out of control 65 riding all my life . Once you know how far to push the feel it becomes second nature. I practice in empy parking lots. Rain shine cold hot clean and dirty surfaces. Be prepared for anything . Planning cross Canada ride this summer. Keep up the good work one can never be too safe. My old 88 Springer has a hard pull ,could be why that works for me.
Prior to watching this video, I was covering the front brake lever. I'm a returning rider. I had quite a bit of experience, but took a very long hiatus from riding. So, basically I'm a 'newbie' again. I'm afraid to put my fingers on top at this time, because I fear I might engage the front brake during slow speed maneuvers. Once I gain more confidence and get rid of the rust, and operating my bike smoothly becomes second nature, I will try that technique. Right now, I ride slow enough, and I'm overly cautious enough, to give myself plenty of distance and reaction time to transition from the throttle to front brake lever.
I’d been wondering about this, thanks for the advice. Returned to motorcycling recently after a 20 year break and found myself covering the front brake unconsciously. I’d been unsure if it was a good or bad technique, so it’s useful to hear it being evaluated. I think it comes from a lifetime of urban cycling where covering both brakes is a lifesaver. Great videos, really helping me think more about motorcycle roadcraft, thank you.
When I cover the front brake it's with four fingers and it's with my fingertips. So my fingers are not across the lever. I was taught this technique by an instructor and it changed my whole way of braking. Greater sensitivity. Effortless trail braking etc. Not saying I'm brilliant, I'm saying it's an excellent technique.
I'm an older instructor so I use to teach covering your brake anytime you perceive a threat such as approaching an intersection or riding through a residential area where there are a lot of children playing in their yards. I had to spend a lot of time on residential streets due to complaints from residents regarding speeding vehicles. I can't tell you how many times a skateboard, ball, or bicyclist appeared in front of me between two parked cars. I did teach covering the front brake lever with all four fingers or no fingers at all because I started teaching before adjustable position brake levers were available on bikes. Guys with big hands and fingers would get their ring and pinky finger crushed before obtaining 100% braking pressure. Riding motorcycles makes you believe that animate objects have a brain and they are purposely trying to take you out :)
I always keep 2 fingers on my bike. From what I noticed it's everywere good, in turns (trail breaking) , in a city, or even on a highway. It alows me be more reactive AND not grabbing the break since I constantely feel it. In MotoGP riders perfectly know the track and when to break, so they do not need to keep fingers , instead they are concentrated on a smooth trottle
I was dinged constantly by my MSF teacher to keep BOTH hands (fingers) off of the clutch and brake lever. As an MX/Off Road racer its not only habit but the only way a good rider can react as quickly as possible. Just found this channel and really enjoy watching. Ride safe!
Four fingers here. Ive set brake lever soft enough to not lock up till I’m about an inch away from the grip. I’ve ridden this way for my entire 50 years of riding. Not saying it’s the more correct way of doing things, it’s just years and years of muscle memory as how much pressure is needed. The first course of action for me is to brake, then swerve vs panic braking only. Got to remember I grew up with drum brakes vs modern disc brakes. Disc brakes are a god sent.
So Kevin...I just watched this video yesterday and today having done so saved my bacon and perhaps my life. I ride a fair amount off road and always cover the clutch with two fingers and the brake with one. I've always found one on the brake off road to be sufficient because the speeds are lower and it's mostly finesse braking. I rarely covered my brakes on the street except for some intersections. I randomly ran across this video and it convinced me to start covering my front brake with two fingers on the road. As fate would have it, today I was tooling along a country road at about fifty mph when I caught a slight blur coming really fast from my left side which I identified as a deer. All day I had been practicing covering my front brake as I rode. In fact I was thinking about it at that precise moment. Long story short I instantly hit the front brakes which were covered to just short of locking up. I literally missed the deer by inches. I am 100% convinced if I had been any slower he would have T boned me or I would have T boned him. I had to pull off the road for a minute to let my heart rate settle. I now wholeheartedly endorse this technique and would personally like to thank you for sharing your knowledge. BTW it was the instructors in an MSF course I took years ago who convinced me I should not be covering the brake or clutch while riding on the rode.
I will rest two fingers on top, like you, when approaching intersections or riding down busy streets I have the brake covered but on open roads I do not. Good idea with the roll off and roll on the brake, I'll try that.
I'm a beginner and having problems with this subject. You're explanations help me a lot. I will definitely apply your suggestions in improving my riding ability . You answered all my questions in covering the brakes.
The smartest thing you can do is to ride under control! Try to know the traffic around you. If you feel nervous at all, then cover your brake and maybe slow down if it is safe to do so. Also, start looking for an escape maneuver if appropriate.
I’m almost always covering both. Probably because I have gotten comfortable in this position. I am also very aware of switching to rear brake only at slow speed.
I have a Crampbuster on my throttle, so almost all throttle movement is done with the palm of my hand. This allows me to keep all 4 fingers on the brake nearly all the time. I have been riding every year since 1976, so I'm not a "newbie". Regardless, it was interesting to hear reasons why a rider may not want to cover the brake.
I'm an instructor and teach the use of all four fingers when using the front brake on the road. Four fingers give the best combination of power and feel. I discourage 'covering' of the brakes to prevent accidental application in panic situations. I do teach my students to set up their brakes when they are either slowing by engine-braking (to turn the brake light on) or they identify a hazard that may need braking to avoid. FYI, setting up of brakes involves moving the lever/pedal to the point where resistance begins. This turns on the brake light and readies the brakes (and rider) for the application of pressure to slow or stop if needed.
@@BeyondPrideMF No, not wrong at all. In fact I only ever use 2 fingers on the front brake. Four fingers is useful for novice riders while developing braking skills. For skilled riders it really doesn’t matter how many fingers are used, provided you can stop your bike quickly and safely from any speed.
@@brucehatcher4091 Thanks for your quick reply, much appreciated. So two finger is ok, got it. Do you always cover the brake w two fingers or only when trailbraking and when you feel „something“ is about to happen (intersection etc.)?
Your brakes should not only be covered, but levers move to the point where your stop light is on whenever you are approaching danger or anticipate the need to stop or slow down. Turning your stop light on warns those behind that you may be going to stop. Trail braking is about using your front and possibly rear brakes with decreasing pressure as you approach a corner’s apex. Brakes are not usually needed after the apex of a curve.
I remember being taught not to touch the brake and the throttle at the same time and I kept that practice for a year before I found myself touching both. I think it comes almost natural when being cautious.
I break with the foot on curves. And front brake and foot brake when stopping it just feels more comfortable. It's always worked for me I've been riding for 35 years works for me. I've never had an accident. And never dumped the motorcycle.
I started out not covering at all. Then I tried 2 fingers, which worked well but became tiring. I persisted and now it feels weird not having 2 fingers over the front brake lever at all times. And yes, I've done multi-hour freeway trips like that. It works for me, because I'm always a second or so faster to start applying brakes and it gives me less "stress" during a surprise, which results in a lower tendency to grab a last-second handful of brake. It was annoying at first, my fingers didn't like it, but it was fine after a while. For me it works, but everybody's different. So I cover the brake with 2 at all times. Having decent adjustable levers is essential, so you can dial in the right position between comfort and being able to apply maximum braking.
Hi Kevin, Rick of Stories From the Road. I only cover the front brakes as I'm approaching possible hazards. All other times all of my fingers are around the throttle. This seems to work best for me. In tight maneuvers I'm using the rear brake for better control during tight turns.
My wife and I have 3 sport bikes and 1 Harley. I use 2 fingers on all. I cover the brake at intersections and when something doesn't look right. I used to use all 4 fingers on the Harley until I did a brake modification. Now 2 fingers are good. This along with other techniques that are popular on this channel recently helped my wife out of a very close call. Thanks!
While covering the brake is indeed an option for some I feel maximizing situational awareness is the best approach to safe riding. I can’t recall the last time I had to perform emergency braking.
@gemini232003 Miles on the road matter far more than years, and the real question in response to your point is, 'Would you teach your grandson to ride on that principle alone?'
I practice braking and braking too hard too soon for both front and back brakes. I don't cover the brakes unless the path ahead is sketchy and then I use 4 fingers as grabbing the front brake has never been an issue with the amount of practice I put in with my bike and the space I always try to give myself. I also practice braking with the front through u-turns and do so going from road to gravel. I just like practising. Only been riding for a year and a half. Still a noob, but a practising noob.
I developed the habit of covering both brake and clutch with two fingers at all times back in the 80s... it allows me more than enough grip on the bars to control the bike yet never have to do a 'panic' grab which not only costs micro seconds to begin the braking procedure but also prevents grabbing the brake too hard on the initial pull. Braking in emergencies while downshifting has become second nature while remaining relaxed enough to monitor my surroundings including my six. This method has allowed me to survive over 40 years of street riding covering hundreds of thousands of miles crash free and be a competitive expert licensed racer (now retired) with AMA, AHRMA and WERA. BTW, I love this channel and recommend it to any rider willing to accept advice.
Great video, I think you covered nearly every point. I was an off-road racer and coach for 20+ years (2 fingers) and road instructor 13 years ( 4 fingers). There is no absolute answer, here in the UK our test examiners are too rigid in favour of 4 fingers and no covering. As a rider I adapt between 1,2and 4 according to the situation, but would add 1 or 2 fingers used close to the lever fulcrum will severely reduce braking power, 4 fingers will be more powerful, to demonstrate this I used to use a mastic gun and a tube of silicone and got students to squeeze with different fingers and at different points from the lever pivot point. Finally drop the bike on the throttle side with 2 on the brake and 2 round the bar can lead to goodbye fingertips ( importance of brake adjustment as mentioned). Ride safe.
Thanks. I nearly crashed in a automobile suddenly turning in front of me while braking insufficiently with my two fingers. I did not dear do disengage breaking to put my four fingers and that few seconds lasted two long in my life. Being quick is one thing. Being strong is another. Since then I leave my four fingers on the breaks in the city….
New rider, I use two fingers at intersections and stop-and-go traffic, mostly as anticipation for sudden stops. When I commit to acceleration I have full grip on my throttle.
Riding a Goldwing... index and middle finger, resting on the top of the front brake lever. Ring and pinkie finger operate the throttle. When I begin to squeeze front brake lever, throttle naturally closes at the same time. The braking action and throttle closing are one smooth motion, with the right wrist rolling forward. Also, by covering the brake, the rider is less likely to “stab” at the brake lever in a panic stop situation. I did take the MSF course when I reentered riding after a long absence, but I believe the 4 finger method is less safe, due to longer reaction time. By the way, the 22 ft savings is actually what you have, because the reaction time is nearly 0, with the 2 finger method. Love your videos Kevin... keep up the great work
You're doing a great job helping us with skills and road strategy . I do two fingers, but sometimes just one, to help me be gentle on the front brakes .
As a daily commuter, my prefered method is 1 finger covered at most times. It's strong enough to scrub off speed in an emergency to a stop, but not too much to lock the front wheel. The other 3 fingers & thumb around the throttle to maintain full control of handling & directional changes or to speed up to avoid danger. It takes time to learn & get used to, but once mastered, it really reduces reaction time as mentioned in the video. Avoided countless potential disasters 🙏 Stay safe. Great vid again btw.
GronkGrunk I have been riding for over 20 years and from the start learned to always ride with one finger on the brake. I use finger crunch grips to strengthen my fingers. I can lock the front wheel with one finger pull.
Yeah, if it's hydraulic front brakes then one finger is enough for me, but when its wire and badly maintained with lots of friction, I use all 4 fingers. And I use 2 fingers for the clutch, I used to use 4 but I learned its a bad habit so...
Interesting. I just took a Motorcycle Masters course with current and retired Motorcycle Police and they indicated 4 fingers is the way to go. You have more strength in four than you do with two.
I had problems managing the release of the throttle when squeezing the break because my fingers were over the break. The concept of rolling off the throttle while reaching for the break completely cleared that up for me. And it feels natural. THANK YOU for that tip!!!!!!
Always cover the front with two fingers. It saved my life when a left turning car on a 4 lane road (traffic moving at 60mph) turned in front of me. Had to make a quick stop from 60. Also on the freeway (passing a vehicle) car made a quick lane change right in front of me. No warning, no signal, driver didn’t look. Also cover when lane splitting. San Francisco Bay Area traffic is always very heavy everywhere almost at all times.
Many of those who advocate riding without covering the brakes at all times are riding free of cars in rather peaceful environments. They don't normally disclose this, but as a result the only useful opinions on the matter come from riders in dense environments with a lot of other actors. Without this external pressure, the need for covering the controls is replaced with complacency, and never understood.
I am a cautious driver regardless of what I am driving. With that said I adjust to what I see around me, sometimes I rest two or more fingers on front brake lever. As much as I like to ride motorcycles it is feeling like a job more than pleasure.
Living in France where filtering and lane splitting is legal (in the cities), we use the fingers covering the brake method while filtering and lane splitting. In my case, I cover the brake with 2 fingers only while filtering and lane splitting or I've sensed something is not "right" (filtering gives you a sort of "sixth sense" for problems). I _do not touch_ the brake lever while covering the brake but hover about 1/8" above the lever. This is so a) I don't cover the brake lever when it isn't necessary and b) it makes it more difficult to panic brake. And, as you said, your brake lever _must_ be properly adjusted.
I cover the front brake on my 18 GW DCT with two fingers when I’m in more congested areas, approaching intersections and whenever else I feel the need. There’s significant distance adjustability on the GW front brake lever for riders with shorter fingers. When I attended the CA Highway Patrol Police Motorcycle Academy it was all about four fingers covering the clutch at all times, but that doesn’t apply with the new DCTs. Great video!
I rest two fingers on the brake lever like you whenever I am feeling a threat is likely. A big one for me is passing woods and corn fields next to the road…we have suicidal deer here in Ohio. I find I’m less stabby on the brakes when I have to use them abruptly when they are resting or slightly preloaded.
Watched the video and am unsure what I typically do in this regard. I think I tend to not cover the brake unless the situation gets "iffy" such as in heavier traffic but I also know that covering the brake full time is not how I was trained. I experienced one situation this last riding season where an emergency brake was necessary and afterwards, reviewing the situation after the fact, I realized that I was braking instinctually with both front and rear. It occurred to me that in that situation that there was no time to think about my reactions as the two second emergency played out and that my first reaction was the only one I had. Thank goodness for proper training that led me to the correct response. This kind of immediate response is the kind of thing that leads to increased confidence in myself as a rider and makes owning my 02 Low Rider an enjoyable experience instead of a fearful thing. Thank you Kevin for these constant reminders about the necessary skills required to allow daily riding to be a fun thing instead of a daily dance with the devil.
I keep two fingers in contact with the brake lever always. I feel i have finer and more immediate control of both the brake and throttle if i keep that contact, especially as i use trail-braking most of the time. Also, i find i'm less likely to 'grab a handful' and over-brake when hazards appear (in my area rock slides are common on the local twisties) if i already have that contact. Keeping two fingers resting on the brake (at about the first knuckle with my set-up) also helps me maintain a stable throttle position overs bumps, etc, as my throttle is quite sensitive. I roll off the throttle and hook the brake lever easily, as you identified in the vlog. I think the choice to use 0, 1, 2 or 3 fingers covering the brake is very much an individual thing, dependant upon the size of your hands, your grip strength, the sensitivity of both brake and throttle, the individuals skill and riding style as well as the handling characteristics of a particular bike. Love the vlog, Kevin. I'm 50, have been riding a lot of years, but still learn a lot from guys like you. Keep it up. 👍
I keep 2 fingers on the brake a lot of the time, but only around town. I keep none on the brake when I'm out on the road. And, I put all 4 on the brake when I'm approaching an intersection. When an emergency comes, I put all 4 on the brake, or all 4 on the throttle. I've smashed my fingers too many times, and since I have very fast reaction times (I can catch a contact lens before it gets to my belt if I drop it while putting it in, and have done it many times, because I'm a klutz), I can transition quickly. I've had a few close calls, but never hit anything because I can ride, and you've helped me a lot. For your help, I thank you. But then, I'm a 65-year-old now, and figure when I stop learning, I should just roll over the edge into that earthen bed.
A thought provoking video, thank you. I only cover the front break with two fingers when in a built up area or heavy traffic. My instructor said I should do it all the time, but this feels dangerous to me, especially at higher speeds.
Best video on the subject! I adapt my technique depending on situation between covered or not. Remember a rider who hit a pot hole with the brakes over covered (cupped) and hit the brakes hard and lost control.... Likely they didn't have a complete accident and all was well.
I cover the front brake with two fingers all the time. A habit that just comes naturally now after doing it for the last 5 years. I think the time it saves is valuable.
Riding a Harley Electra Glide and having large hands I usually do this. In city riding where I may need to stop quickly I ride with two on brake or in the cornering on our mountain highways. I've been riding since I was 8 yrs old, 49 yrs now. Caution is always the utmost importance on how much front brake to give.
Always 2 fingers. Helps with quick reaction when riding my 900lb bike. I have learned to retract my fingers in parking lots as not to drop the bike. I learned that the hard way and never realised the mistake I was making. Only learned it taking rider training a couple years ago when I bought my newest bike.
Hey Kevin, that was super interesting. Even as an experienced rider, I found some details on the topic in your video that I had never heard of before Could you do a similar video for the clutch 2 fingers vs 4 fingers?
I use two fingers on the brake all the time, and the reason I was told/taught (in Australia) is that the first two fingers have the power or strength to pull the brake lever, the last two fingers will not add additional power, also, more grip on the handle bar with the last two fingers, and I am convinced with this as the push bikes brake levers is two fingers long. Have you noticed that?
Learned 40yrs ago book twist of the wrist by Keith Code . Great read , saves 2tenths of a sec having your fingers on brake lever. Doesn’t seem like much but like you said the length of. Car anyway. Lots of great tips in that book.was a video too. He use to race. Always up for learning any source that’s solid. Thank you sir ! Happy new w
Thanks Kevin, I'll switch to your suggested type of covering the brake: to just resting one or two fingers on the brake lever when approaching lots of blind driveways (intersections) on my narrow road, or in traffic approaching a large intersection; instead of curling my fingers. Nice tip.
Two fingers, covered- all the time, when not driving slow. Routinely trail brake corners w/ rear. Seems to work. 41 years experience. Current ride: '87 BMW K75C. GREAT stuff Kevin! FWIW: Last summer I was zipping thru some familiar twisties, wooded/rural, 45mph limit, came around a bend and.....missed a deer by 20ft. In control. Why? Because I ANTICIPATED for animals and had the front covered w/ two. No problema. And I was doing 55. The deer- initially Frozen, was faster! And if I have to brake for hazards, I then use the ONE FINGER Method.....saluting the offender.
I cover the f/ brake when coming up on intersections or see something ahead that presents a potential hazard. I like your suggestion of just laying two fingers on top of the brake. Thanks, Kevin.
Two fingers in the same situations that you mentioned using them yourself. I learned the hard way about covering the front brake in low speed maneuvers... dropped a brand new bike, glad I had sliders.
Thanks again Kevin for stimulating us to think about something that has long since become 'muscle memory'. I ride a Moto Guzzi I-convert - an old timer, with linked brakes, an automatic gearbox, a really heavy throttle, and a side car attached. I also ride a Honda NC750X with ABS, also automatic (DCT) a really light throttle, and just two wheels. About as different as you can get, and both "oddballs" when it comes to braking. On both bikes I do cover the front brake, but only after I've rolled-off the throttle - for example in traffic or in town, when anticipating renewed attempts on my life. On the Honda, I can confirm what you warned about in the video. Its all too easy to be holding some gas on, simultaneously with braking, and with a DCT there is no clutch to come to the rescue. The natural reaction is to squeeze harder, but that just adds brake AND gas together - which doesn't generally end well. This can't happen on the Guzzi because it takes the strength of Samson just to open the gas!
Pointer and middle finger resting atop the brake lever, ring and pinky on the throttle; as I roll off the throttle I "roll onto" the brake. Sometimes I will take the fingers off and put them back on, off-on, off-on, just to keep active and alert. As with trail-braking, I don't know exactly when I started covering the brake, but it was probably carryover from riding a bicycle that I fell back into once I got more comfortable on a motorbike. Every second helps!
All of the above. Always it is learning with time when to use any technique. A big part is making sure all controls are set for you. I don't know if this is taught in the US MSF courses but it should. How to get the bike to fit the rider.
I taught myself to do the two finger roll off decades ago, I am glad that my instincts directed me to do that, it may have saved my life several times especially when I hit a deer two years ago, I was able to significantly slow down before impact reducing the damage to my bike(a small dent in the fender and one broken turn signal bezel and lens). I replace the turn signals with Kuryakin bezel and lens on the Harley teardrop signals which actually fit the bike better than the factory plastic bezel and lenses on my 2004 FLSTCI.
I started riding motorcycles 3 months ago. I'm getting more comfortable and gaining confidence. I don't cover the brake lever but when I'm braking and rev matching Ive found out that wrapping the thumb and index finger on the throttle and braking with the other three gives me more control.
Many thanks for this video. I am 4months into riding and I have dropped my bike so many times at slow turns that I knew I was doing something wrong. I checked it out and saw I was using the front brakes while leaning the bike. I know what to do better now. Many thanks
Hi Kevin, thanks for covering this topic. It is a good road strategy when conditions are potentially higher risk to your safety like riding around town or suspect country roads. Otherwise I'm on the throttle and adopt this method when my safety is challenged. Many thanks, love your work on MCrider. Cheers Steve (down under)
I use index and ring finger most of the time. On longer rides I would move my hand to the anti vibration weight to stretch my arthritic hands a couple seconds. Rev matching and down shifting while dragging the front brake can be done very smoothly this way. The adjustable brake lever is set so I can’t pinch my fingers at full squeeze. If you’re brake lever can pinch your fingers, or your brakes aren’t very powerful, or if you have short fingers this technique may be awkward. We have mule deer hear that are like barnyard animals and will stroll out of ditches driveways and between parked car’s with little fear of cars. Cover the brake, keep the speed down.Excellent subject by the way!
Sometimes has never been so well defined. Covering the front brake in risky areas is smart business. Another Skill that when practiced becomes second nature you are covering the front brake without the thought to do so!
Lovely video. I do cover my front brakes and my rear ones if the need arises. However If am already turning the front wheel and at a slow speed and its a tight turn, If am am required to stop suddenly then with such a slow speed and an already existing lean angle its quite possible that by hitting the front brake a little to hard , or at all, I will cause the bike to stop and/or fall over. So on tight turns I try and leave the front brake alone and therefore don't cover it. Then if I have to stop I use the rear brake only with less likely hood of stalling and or falling.
Hi from Sydney, Australia. Enjoy your show and watch it diligently. I've learnt to use two fingers always in city commuting and at other times, when approaching hazards.
I tend to cover with two fingers as I feel situations developing. I typically will not do it at slow speed so I will not accidentally apply pressure and drop the bike as you mentioned in the video. So for me it is very dynamic as RevJRJr said below.
!! instinctively grabbing the front brake while slowly turning is a real danger while covering the front brake, especially in unsuspecting scenarios !! great video. hands get colder in the winter while covering the front brake and the clutch :} each bike acts differently, so practice is the only way to internalize the feel of a particular bike... once you recognize how it behaves when tires are about to lose traction, you're able to momentarily decrease braking force before completely losing traction. covering the brake not only offers shorter reaction time, it counter-intuitively offers a greater control when initiating (hard) braking. when not covering, your brain commands a 3 step command "fast go- stop - slow go" action compared to just slow-go action. it takes less brain power so it's easier to master. think about the rear brake: if you need to reposition your foot, make contact and then start applying pressure, you're more inclined to stomp on that pedal. you're in a hurry to start applying the brakes, the brain doesn't want to concentrate on feeling the pedal before applying pressure... i'm a firm believer in the KISS principle: 'keep it simple stupid' :} or 'keep it super simple' for the rest of you be safe, have fun
3XL hands. Cover with index finger, all the time. Need something there all the time for trail-braking. Never use more than the one finger. Same on clutch.
I do a lot of rural riding here in MO, so I tend to cover with two fingers most of the time. Since I think muscle memory is very important, I ONLY brake using two fingers. I don't want to cover with two fingers, with a lot of trail-braking 99% of the time, then in an escape situation grab the brake with a full four fingers. So basically, everytime I use the brake I am using the same approach. No mixing and matching.
I do the same as in the video, except i only use one finger. If it is a serious emergency (or i want to break hard for canyon carving) i use the second, and i very rarely use three. This way the front wheel is already pre-loaded when i start squeezing with two fingers. This works much better with my current custom brake levers, because they are on the shortest setting and i have more space for the fingers to move around. But i agree that first a rider has to learn and practice not using the brakes when it is dangerous.
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In addition to putting on all the gear (all the time), it's crucial to put on the armor of God and ask for His protection every time we venture out onto the road. His armor kept me safe during my tour in Afghanistan. Praise or loving Heavenly Father.
Yeah, I kinda got used to it, to rest my finger on The brake lever... Sometimes my arm and Wrist get really tired, specially when riding in crowded roads. Thank you for this video, Kevin! Keep up the good work!
Been riding for 47 years, never tried covering the brakes until watching one of your videos a couple of years ago. Occasionally I try it but find it awkward, so tend to revert to just throttling on with the full hand on the throttle. I just slow down a little when I think danger is imminent.
2 fingers covering, as you describe, so that applying the brake also simultaneously rolls off the throttle. In traffic, near potential hazards, and on the uk motorway network in heavy traffic (whilst also riding near the edge of my lane for better view of brake lights ahead and an escape route if I or the guy behind me misjudges braking distance in a sudden hazard).
I cover the brake in traffic, in neighborhoods, and ALWAYS when trail braking, as to properly trail brake you have to be able to use both the throttle and front brake at the same time, as you add throttle and reduce brake, or reduce throttle and add brake through a corner. I use two fingers, and have some aftermarket brake levers that have a projection that fits between my index and middle fingers to make it comfortable and allow a little higher pressure on the lever by my index finger, when needed. On open highways, I usually do not cover the brake at all.
I tend to leave my index finger on the throttle and cover the brake with the remaining 3 fingers when approaching traffic. The index tends to stay out of the leaver path even with gloves on and I have enough strength in the other 3 to fully mash the brake if needed.
I've dropped the bike turning at slow speed until I learned to take my fingers off during that time. I do it like you demonstrated as preferred technique, but I also have a clip on throttle rocker that helps me maintain throttle control when not in cruise control.
I like covering the controls In emergency situation, if I cover the brakes, I have perception time and braking time. If I don’t cover, I have perception time, then move my finger to the brake time, then braking time. By having to move your fingers to the brake in a emergency situation, sometimes people accidentally hold the revs up while they do that. Plus, they now have less time and distance left to brake, so they may panic more and more easily grab the brake. Versus if your fingers are already on the brake, you already have more time to brake, easier to do proper progressive squeeze. Additionally, when you need precise throttle control, such as in low speed maneuvers, by resting your fingers on top of the brake lever, you can use it as a stabilizer to tune out bumps that may cause jerky throttles. Also it serves as an index and makes it easier to tell exactly how much throttle you’ve opened
Two covering the brake all times and I mirror this on the clutch. I have been caught with having a little throttle when braking as I am riding a little 250 and wringing it pinned full throttle but as I do the same with clutch with a full pull grab I only ended up with engine rev. This is not my normal stopping just a couple emergency stops. On bigger more powerful bikes I don’t have to pin the throat toe the roll off is sufficient.
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As a beginner rider, I find that I need to have one finger on the brake lever in order to gain a reference point of where the throttle position is, especially in slow speed maneuvers. The thick moto gloves desensitizes the feel of the throttle position and I feel that I need a stable reference point to control the throttle's position. Is this a bad idea?
I'm a 2-finger person for 3 reasons. (1) I used to do a lot of off-road riding, and 2 fingers on the brake became my sweet spot because using all 4 will put you at risk for losing grip over terrain. On the street, a sudden drop or bump can pull the bars out of your hands, especially if your posture has your arms nearly straight. (2) I blip the throttle for smoother downshifting while decelerating into a stop, so I really need to work the brake & throttle simultaneously. (3) Keeping a finger or 2 on the brake gives my hand a rotary reference point that improves fine throttle control in situations like corners where a gentle touch is needed. So... I put shortie levers on my FZ-07 and they are perfect for me. On the other hand, a retired motor cop said I should use all 4. So, everyone needs to find their own sweet spot here.
Have been riding for 53 years & I never cover the front brake lever. Have not had an emergency braking situation where I failed to slow or stop in time. If I anticipate a braking situation, all four fingers are on the lever. As a MSF instructor for 13 years, I teach my students that the brake lever is not a finger rest for all the reasons you mentioned. Trail braking is an advanced technique which is not taught to new riders & is not a technique I have felt necessary to use in my own riding.
Only cover the break in traffic, as I approach intersections or something on the side of the road that may enter my travel way.
I also cover the front brake riding on the winding roads of TN. I also make a very conscious effort to stay off of the rear brake will riding these hills and curves unless it's stop time.
@@tomjamin4952 Good advice, living on the Prairies don't often see hilly terrain or blind corners.
@@tomjamin4952 can you explain your rear brake logic?
So you cover all the time then:)
@@TreyyDaMenaceFan i know the question is not addressed to me, but for most people learning to ride faster, keeping off the rear brake is generally a good idea until one becomes more familiar with the route and the other controls
On the open road, i.e. straight, level roads, I tend to have all four on the throttle. But I move two to three fingers over the top of the brake lever whenever I anticipate or simply "feel" there might be something potentially dangerous coming up: heavy traffic city driving, residential areas, blind rises, etc. Love the videos and I always learn something. You can never know too much, especially when it comes to riding safely.
I’m two fingers on top of the brake lever almost all of the time. It allows me to twist the throttle without pulling on the brake and if I’m braking I’m rolling of the throttle which moves the fingers over the brake lever. (If that makes sense).
Yes, that's what he advised.
Same.
We’re taught in police motor school to use all fingers when covering/squeezing the brake
I used to cover the brake with 3 fingers until I attended one of the Total Control classes. The instructor asked me to try 2 fingers for the day and I never went back to 3 fingers after that.
I train new riders to use all four fingers, and that keeping your fingers on the brake is equivalent to driving with your foot on the brake "just in case". It's also easier to reach and squeeze with your than to panic and pull with two. Personally, on road, I use all four, but off road, it's easier to use two. I haven't really figured out why yet, I think it's to keep a firmer grip on the bar if you are on rough terrain, and it's going to automatically reduce the probability of washing out hte front wheel.
I tend to cover the brakes with two fingers as I approach potential hazards, not at any other time.
I do the same, but use 3-4 fingers. I guess the big issue is how do we determine “potential hazards”? Sometimes, stuff happens when we least expect it. But for general riding, I prefer having all my fingers on the grips. This is especially true when I have a hand off the grips for whatever reason.
I do the same, but I try to use all 4 fingers because I ride older bikes ('29, '70 & '84) and it's quite possible to get my fingers trapped, preventing me from fully applying the brakes.
Tim Elley What is the ‘29?
@@RevJay_Rides Triumph CSD - a 550cc side-valve, with hand gear-change. Puts a whole different perspective on "proactive braking" 😊
All four more feel , never skided my front tire out of control 65 riding all my life . Once you know how far to push the feel it becomes second nature. I practice in empy parking lots. Rain shine cold hot clean and dirty surfaces. Be prepared for anything . Planning cross Canada ride this summer. Keep up the good work one can never be too safe. My old 88 Springer has a hard pull ,could be why that works for me.
Prior to watching this video, I was covering the front brake lever. I'm a returning rider. I had quite a bit of experience, but took a very long hiatus from riding. So, basically I'm a 'newbie' again. I'm afraid to put my fingers on top at this time, because I fear I might engage the front brake during slow speed maneuvers. Once I gain more confidence and get rid of the rust, and operating my bike smoothly becomes second nature, I will try that technique. Right now, I ride slow enough, and I'm overly cautious enough, to give myself plenty of distance and reaction time to transition from the throttle to front brake lever.
I’d been wondering about this, thanks for the advice. Returned to motorcycling recently after a 20 year break and found myself covering the front brake unconsciously. I’d been unsure if it was a good or bad technique, so it’s useful to hear it being evaluated. I think it comes from a lifetime of urban cycling where covering both brakes is a lifesaver. Great videos, really helping me think more about motorcycle roadcraft, thank you.
Hi Kev I’m comfortable with two fingers most of the time on the open road. Not over just resting on top. Cheers 👍🇨🇦
I also use my fingertips way more sensitivity.
When I cover the front brake it's with four fingers and it's with my fingertips. So my fingers are not across the lever. I was taught this technique by an instructor and it changed my whole way of braking. Greater sensitivity. Effortless trail braking etc. Not saying I'm brilliant, I'm saying it's an excellent technique.
I also do exactly what you do and have done it for many years and has actually saved me many times.😎
Same !
I'm an older instructor so I use to teach covering your brake anytime you perceive a threat such as approaching an intersection or riding through a residential area where there are a lot of children playing in their yards. I had to spend a lot of time on residential streets due to complaints from residents regarding speeding vehicles. I can't tell you how many times a skateboard, ball, or bicyclist appeared in front of me between two parked cars. I did teach covering the front brake lever with all four fingers or no fingers at all because I started teaching before adjustable position brake levers were available on bikes. Guys with big hands and fingers would get their ring and pinky finger crushed before obtaining 100% braking pressure. Riding motorcycles makes you believe that animate objects have a brain and they are purposely trying to take you out :)
I always keep 2 fingers on my bike. From what I noticed it's everywere good, in turns (trail breaking) , in a city, or even on a highway. It alows me be more reactive AND not grabbing the break since I constantely feel it.
In MotoGP riders perfectly know the track and when to break, so they do not need to keep fingers , instead they are concentrated on a smooth trottle
I was dinged constantly by my MSF teacher to keep BOTH hands (fingers) off of the clutch and brake lever. As an MX/Off Road racer its not only habit but the only way a good rider can react as quickly as possible. Just found this channel and really enjoy watching. Ride safe!
Four fingers here. Ive set brake lever soft enough to not lock up till I’m about an inch away from the grip. I’ve ridden this way for my entire 50 years of riding. Not saying it’s the more correct way of doing things, it’s just years and years of muscle memory as how much pressure is needed. The first course of action for me is to brake, then swerve vs panic braking only. Got to remember I grew up with drum brakes vs modern disc brakes. Disc brakes are a god sent.
So Kevin...I just watched this video yesterday and today having done so saved my bacon and perhaps my life. I ride a fair amount off road and always cover the clutch with two fingers and the brake with one. I've always found one on the brake off road to be sufficient because the speeds are lower and it's mostly finesse braking. I rarely covered my brakes on the street except for some intersections. I randomly ran across this video and it convinced me to start covering my front brake with two fingers on the road. As fate would have it, today I was tooling along a country road at about fifty mph when I caught a slight blur coming really fast from my left side which I identified as a deer. All day I had been practicing covering my front brake as I rode. In fact I was thinking about it at that precise moment. Long story short I instantly hit the front brakes which were covered to just short of locking up. I literally missed the deer by inches. I am 100% convinced if I had been any slower he would have T boned me or I would have T boned him. I had to pull off the road for a minute to let my heart rate settle. I now wholeheartedly endorse this technique and would personally like to thank you for sharing your knowledge. BTW it was the instructors in an MSF course I took years ago who convinced me I should not be covering the brake or clutch while riding on the rode.
I will rest two fingers on top, like you, when approaching intersections or riding down busy streets I have the brake covered but on open roads I do not. Good idea with the roll off and roll on the brake, I'll try that.
bakerrv watch out for dogs
I'm a beginner and having problems with this subject. You're explanations help me a lot. I will definitely apply your suggestions in improving my riding ability . You answered all my questions in covering the brakes.
The smartest thing you can do is to ride under control! Try to know the traffic around you. If you feel nervous at all, then cover your brake and maybe slow down if it is safe to do so. Also, start looking for an escape maneuver if appropriate.
I’m almost always covering both. Probably because I have gotten comfortable in this position. I am also very aware of switching to rear brake only at slow speed.
I have a Crampbuster on my throttle, so almost all throttle movement is done with the palm of my hand. This allows me to keep all 4 fingers on the brake nearly all the time. I have been riding every year since 1976, so I'm not a "newbie". Regardless, it was interesting to hear reasons why a rider may not want to cover the brake.
I'm an instructor and teach the use of all four fingers when using the front brake on the road. Four fingers give the best combination of power and feel. I discourage 'covering' of the brakes to prevent accidental application in panic situations. I do teach my students to set up their brakes when they are either slowing by engine-braking (to turn the brake light on) or they identify a hazard that may need braking to avoid. FYI, setting up of brakes involves moving the lever/pedal to the point where resistance begins. This turns on the brake light and readies the brakes (and rider) for the application of pressure to slow or stop if needed.
So is braking with two fingers or covering the brake with those "wrong" in your opinion?
@@BeyondPrideMF No, not wrong at all. In fact I only ever use 2 fingers on the front brake. Four fingers is useful for novice riders while developing braking skills. For skilled riders it really doesn’t matter how many fingers are used, provided you can stop your bike quickly and safely from any speed.
@@brucehatcher4091 Thanks for your quick reply, much appreciated. So two finger is ok, got it. Do you always cover the brake w two fingers or only when trailbraking and when you feel „something“ is about to happen (intersection etc.)?
@@BeyondPrideMF General riding while covering the front and/or rear brakes is a personal choice.
Your brakes should not only be covered, but levers move to the point where your stop light is on whenever you are approaching danger or anticipate the need to stop or slow down. Turning your stop light on warns those behind that you may be going to stop. Trail braking is about using your front and possibly rear brakes with decreasing pressure as you approach a corner’s apex. Brakes are not usually needed after the apex of a curve.
I remember being taught not to touch the brake and the throttle at the same time and I kept that practice for a year before I found myself touching both. I think it comes almost natural when being cautious.
I break with the foot on curves. And front brake and foot brake when stopping it just feels more comfortable. It's always worked for me I've been riding for 35 years works for me. I've never had an accident. And never dumped the motorcycle.
I gotta admit, the linked braking systems where the front brake applies the rear is pretty awesome.
I started out not covering at all. Then I tried 2 fingers, which worked well but became tiring. I persisted and now it feels weird not having 2 fingers over the front brake lever at all times. And yes, I've done multi-hour freeway trips like that. It works for me, because I'm always a second or so faster to start applying brakes and it gives me less "stress" during a surprise, which results in a lower tendency to grab a last-second handful of brake.
It was annoying at first, my fingers didn't like it, but it was fine after a while. For me it works, but everybody's different. So I cover the brake with 2 at all times. Having decent adjustable levers is essential, so you can dial in the right position between comfort and being able to apply maximum braking.
Been riding about a year and just started doing this, Makes so much more sense with great results.
Hello Kevin, Best tip of all is to watch MCrider religiously. Thanks for the video,. Have a great day!
Hi Kevin, Rick of Stories From the Road. I only cover the front brakes as I'm approaching possible hazards. All other times all of my fingers are around the throttle. This seems to work best for me. In tight maneuvers I'm using the rear brake for better control during tight turns.
My wife and I have 3 sport bikes and 1 Harley. I use 2 fingers on all. I cover the brake at intersections and when something doesn't look right. I used to use all 4 fingers on the Harley until I did a brake modification. Now 2 fingers are good. This along with other techniques that are popular on this channel recently helped my wife out of a very close call. Thanks!
While covering the brake is indeed an option for some I feel maximizing situational awareness is the best approach to safe riding. I can’t recall the last time I had to perform emergency braking.
You might not recall the last time you had to perform emergency braking, but you will recall the single time you couldn't perform emergency braking.
@gemini232003 Miles on the road matter far more than years, and the real question in response to your point is, 'Would you teach your grandson to ride on that principle alone?'
@gemini232003 That's all totally beside the point of best braking practice, so it's hard to understand what you're saying or why.
@gemini232003 Point taken👍. My riding is for pleasure and a I get out of Dodge at the earliest opportunity.
I practice braking and braking too hard too soon for both front and back brakes. I don't cover the brakes unless the path ahead is sketchy and then I use 4 fingers as grabbing the front brake has never been an issue with the amount of practice I put in with my bike and the space I always try to give myself. I also practice braking with the front through u-turns and do so going from road to gravel. I just like practising. Only been riding for a year and a half. Still a noob, but a practising noob.
I developed the habit of covering both brake and clutch with two fingers at all times back in the 80s... it allows me more than enough grip on the bars to control the bike yet never have to do a 'panic' grab which not only costs micro seconds to begin the braking procedure but also prevents grabbing the brake too hard on the initial pull. Braking in emergencies while downshifting has become second nature while remaining relaxed enough to monitor my surroundings including my six. This method has allowed me to survive over 40 years of street riding covering hundreds of thousands of miles crash free and be a competitive expert licensed racer (now retired) with AMA, AHRMA and WERA. BTW, I love this channel and recommend it to any rider willing to accept advice.
One. Religiously and have for many many years. It has saved me more times then I can count.
Great videos and information. Thank you.
Great video, I think you covered nearly every point. I was an off-road racer and coach for 20+ years (2 fingers) and road instructor 13 years ( 4 fingers). There is no absolute answer, here in the UK our test examiners are too rigid in favour of 4 fingers and no covering. As a rider I adapt between 1,2and 4 according to the situation, but would add 1 or 2 fingers used close to the lever fulcrum will severely reduce braking power, 4 fingers will be more powerful, to demonstrate this I used to use a mastic gun and a tube of silicone and got students to squeeze with different fingers and at different points from the lever pivot point.
Finally drop the bike on the throttle side with 2 on the brake and 2 round the bar can lead to goodbye fingertips ( importance of brake adjustment as mentioned). Ride safe.
Thanks. I nearly crashed in a automobile suddenly turning in front of me while braking insufficiently with my two fingers. I did not dear do disengage breaking to put my four fingers and that few seconds lasted two long in my life. Being quick is one thing. Being strong is another. Since then I leave my four fingers on the breaks in the city….
New rider, I use two fingers at intersections and stop-and-go traffic, mostly as anticipation for sudden stops. When I commit to acceleration I have full grip on my throttle.
Riding a Goldwing... index and middle finger, resting on the top of the front brake lever. Ring and pinkie finger operate the throttle. When I begin to squeeze front brake lever, throttle naturally closes at the same time. The braking action and throttle closing are one smooth motion, with the right wrist rolling forward. Also, by covering the brake, the rider is less likely to “stab” at the brake lever in a panic stop situation. I did take the MSF course when I reentered riding after a long absence, but I believe the 4 finger method is less safe, due to longer reaction time. By the way, the 22 ft savings is actually what you have, because the reaction time is nearly 0, with the 2 finger method. Love your videos Kevin... keep up the great work
You're doing a great job helping us with skills and road strategy .
I do two fingers, but sometimes just one, to help me be gentle on the front brakes .
As a daily commuter, my prefered method is 1 finger covered at most times. It's strong enough to scrub off speed in an emergency to a stop, but not too much to lock the front wheel. The other 3 fingers & thumb around the throttle to maintain full control of handling & directional changes or to speed up to avoid danger. It takes time to learn & get used to, but once mastered, it really reduces reaction time as mentioned in the video. Avoided countless potential disasters 🙏 Stay safe. Great vid again btw.
GronkGrunk I have been riding for over 20 years and from the start learned to always ride with one finger on the brake. I use finger crunch grips to strengthen my fingers. I can lock the front wheel with one finger pull.
@@AntonSwanepoelTravel Your wife must have amazing nights 👀
Yeah, if it's hydraulic front brakes then one finger is enough for me, but when its wire and badly maintained with lots of friction, I use all 4 fingers. And I use 2 fingers for the clutch, I used to use 4 but I learned its a bad habit so...
Interesting. I just took a Motorcycle Masters course with current and retired Motorcycle Police and they indicated 4 fingers is the way to go. You have more strength in four than you do with two.
I had problems managing the release of the throttle when squeezing the break because my fingers were over the break. The concept of rolling off the throttle while reaching for the break completely cleared that up for me. And it feels natural. THANK YOU for that tip!!!!!!
Always cover the front with two fingers. It saved my life when a left turning car on a 4 lane road (traffic moving at 60mph) turned in front of me. Had to make a quick stop from 60. Also on the freeway (passing a vehicle) car made a quick lane change right in front of me. No warning, no signal, driver didn’t look. Also cover when lane splitting. San Francisco Bay Area traffic is always very heavy everywhere almost at all times.
Many of those who advocate riding without covering the brakes at all times are riding free of cars in rather peaceful environments.
They don't normally disclose this, but as a result the only useful opinions on the matter come from riders in dense environments with a lot of other actors.
Without this external pressure, the need for covering the controls is replaced with complacency, and never understood.
I am a cautious driver regardless of what I am driving. With that said I adjust to what I see around me, sometimes I rest two or more fingers on front brake lever. As much as I like to ride motorcycles it is feeling like a job more than pleasure.
Richard Malone honesty soo true; it becomes very taxing if you want to be cautious
Living in France where filtering and lane splitting is legal (in the cities), we use the fingers covering the brake method while filtering and lane splitting. In my case, I cover the brake with 2 fingers only while filtering and lane splitting or I've sensed something is not "right" (filtering gives you a sort of "sixth sense" for problems). I _do not touch_ the brake lever while covering the brake but hover about 1/8" above the lever. This is so a) I don't cover the brake lever when it isn't necessary and b) it makes it more difficult to panic brake. And, as you said, your brake lever _must_ be properly adjusted.
I cover the front brake on my 18 GW DCT with two fingers when I’m in more congested areas, approaching intersections and whenever else I feel the need. There’s significant distance adjustability on the GW front brake lever for riders with shorter fingers. When I attended the CA Highway Patrol Police Motorcycle Academy it was all about four fingers covering the clutch at all times, but that doesn’t apply with the new DCTs. Great video!
I rest two fingers on the brake lever like you whenever I am feeling a threat is likely. A big one for me is passing woods and corn fields next to the road…we have suicidal deer here in Ohio. I find I’m less stabby on the brakes when I have to use them abruptly when they are resting or slightly preloaded.
Watched the video and am unsure what I typically do in this regard. I think I tend to not cover the brake unless the situation gets "iffy" such as in heavier traffic but I also know that covering the brake full time is not how I was trained. I experienced one situation this last riding season where an emergency brake was necessary and afterwards, reviewing the situation after the fact, I realized that I was braking instinctually with both front and rear. It occurred to me that in that situation that there was no time to think about my reactions as the two second emergency played out and that my first reaction was the only one I had. Thank goodness for proper training that led me to the correct response. This kind of immediate response is the kind of thing that leads to increased confidence in myself as a rider and makes owning my 02 Low Rider an enjoyable experience instead of a fearful thing. Thank you Kevin for these constant reminders about the necessary skills required to allow daily riding to be a fun thing instead of a daily dance with the devil.
I keep two fingers in contact with the brake lever always. I feel i have finer and more immediate control of both the brake and throttle if i keep that contact, especially as i use trail-braking most of the time. Also, i find i'm less likely to 'grab a handful' and over-brake when hazards appear (in my area rock slides are common on the local twisties) if i already have that contact. Keeping two fingers resting on the brake (at about the first knuckle with my set-up) also helps me maintain a stable throttle position overs bumps, etc, as my throttle is quite sensitive. I roll off the throttle and hook the brake lever easily, as you identified in the vlog. I think the choice to use 0, 1, 2 or 3 fingers covering the brake is very much an individual thing, dependant upon the size of your hands, your grip strength, the sensitivity of both brake and throttle, the individuals skill and riding style as well as the handling characteristics of a particular bike.
Love the vlog, Kevin. I'm 50, have been riding a lot of years, but still learn a lot from guys like you. Keep it up. 👍
I keep 2 fingers on the brake a lot of the time, but only around town. I keep none on the brake when I'm out on the road. And, I put all 4 on the brake when I'm approaching an intersection. When an emergency comes, I put all 4 on the brake, or all 4 on the throttle. I've smashed my fingers too many times, and since I have very fast reaction times (I can catch a contact lens before it gets to my belt if I drop it while putting it in, and have done it many times, because I'm a klutz), I can transition quickly. I've had a few close calls, but never hit anything because I can ride, and you've helped me a lot.
For your help, I thank you. But then, I'm a 65-year-old now, and figure when I stop learning, I should just roll over the edge into that earthen bed.
A thought provoking video, thank you. I only cover the front break with two fingers when in a built up area or heavy traffic. My instructor said I should do it all the time, but this feels dangerous to me, especially at higher speeds.
It depends on riding environment
Best video on the subject! I adapt my technique depending on situation between covered or not. Remember a rider who hit a pot hole with the brakes over covered (cupped) and hit the brakes hard and lost control.... Likely they didn't have a complete accident and all was well.
I cover the front brake with two fingers all the time. A habit that just comes naturally now after doing it for the last 5 years. I think the time it saves is valuable.
Riding a Harley Electra Glide and having large hands I usually do this. In city riding where I may need to stop quickly I ride with two on brake or in the cornering on our mountain highways. I've been riding since I was 8 yrs old, 49 yrs now. Caution is always the utmost importance on how much front brake to give.
Index & middle fingers on the brake lever. That's what I use; and it has not disappointed me yet.
Always 2 fingers. Helps with quick reaction when riding my 900lb bike. I have learned to retract my fingers in parking lots as not to drop the bike. I learned that the hard way and never realised the mistake I was making. Only learned it taking rider training a couple years ago when I bought my newest bike.
Hey Kevin, that was super interesting. Even as an experienced rider, I found some details on the topic in your video that I had never heard of before Could you do a similar video for the clutch 2 fingers vs 4 fingers?
I use two fingers on the brake all the time, and the reason I was told/taught (in Australia) is that the first two fingers have the power or strength to pull the brake lever, the last two fingers will not add additional power, also, more grip on the handle bar with the last two fingers, and I am convinced with this as the push bikes brake levers is two fingers long. Have you noticed that?
Learned 40yrs ago book twist of the wrist by Keith Code . Great read , saves 2tenths of a sec having your fingers on brake lever. Doesn’t seem like much but like you said the length of. Car anyway. Lots of great tips in that book.was a video too. He use to race. Always up for learning any source that’s solid. Thank you sir ! Happy new w
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Thanks Kevin, I'll switch to your suggested type of covering the brake: to just resting one or two fingers on the brake lever when approaching lots of blind driveways (intersections) on my narrow road, or in traffic approaching a large intersection; instead of curling my fingers. Nice tip.
Two fingers, covered- all the time, when not driving slow. Routinely trail brake corners w/ rear. Seems to work. 41 years experience. Current ride: '87 BMW K75C.
GREAT stuff Kevin! FWIW: Last summer I was zipping thru some familiar twisties, wooded/rural, 45mph limit, came around a bend and.....missed a deer by 20ft. In control. Why? Because I ANTICIPATED for animals and had the front covered w/ two. No problema. And I was doing 55. The deer- initially Frozen, was faster!
And if I have to brake for hazards, I then use the ONE FINGER Method.....saluting the offender.
I cover the f/ brake when coming up on intersections or see something ahead that presents a potential hazard. I like your suggestion of just laying two fingers on top of the brake. Thanks, Kevin.
Two fingers in the same situations that you mentioned using them yourself. I learned the hard way about covering the front brake in low speed maneuvers... dropped a brand new bike, glad I had sliders.
Great video. Lots of people use two-finger braking without really understanding the full benefits of it.
I use the A-OK grip - index finger wraps around throttle to touch thumb, and last three fingers on the brake lever.
I changed my levers (shorty ones) for adjustable ones; everything is better now. Yamaha fz 07. Two fingers.
Thanks again Kevin for stimulating us to think about something that has long since become 'muscle memory'. I ride a Moto Guzzi I-convert - an old timer, with linked brakes, an automatic gearbox, a really heavy throttle, and a side car attached. I also ride a Honda NC750X with ABS, also automatic (DCT) a really light throttle, and just two wheels. About as different as you can get, and both "oddballs" when it comes to braking. On both bikes I do cover the front brake, but only after I've rolled-off the throttle - for example in traffic or in town, when anticipating renewed attempts on my life. On the Honda, I can confirm what you warned about in the video. Its all too easy to be holding some gas on, simultaneously with braking, and with a DCT there is no clutch to come to the rescue. The natural reaction is to squeeze harder, but that just adds brake AND gas together - which doesn't generally end well. This can't happen on the Guzzi because it takes the strength of Samson just to open the gas!
Pointer and middle finger resting atop the brake lever, ring and pinky on the throttle; as I roll off the throttle I "roll onto" the brake. Sometimes I will take the fingers off and put them back on, off-on, off-on, just to keep active and alert. As with trail-braking, I don't know exactly when I started covering the brake, but it was probably carryover from riding a bicycle that I fell back into once I got more comfortable on a motorbike. Every second helps!
All of the above. Always it is learning with time when to use any technique. A big part is making sure all controls are set for you. I don't know if this is taught in the US MSF courses but it should. How to get the bike to fit the rider.
I taught myself to do the two finger roll off decades ago, I am glad that my instincts directed me to do that, it may have saved my life several times especially when I hit a deer two years ago, I was able to significantly slow down before impact reducing the damage to my bike(a small dent in the fender and one broken turn signal bezel and lens). I replace the turn signals with Kuryakin bezel and lens on the Harley teardrop signals which actually fit the bike better than the factory plastic bezel and lenses on my 2004 FLSTCI.
Yep I always cover the front brake with two fingers..just makes sense to speed up reaction time.
I started riding motorcycles 3 months ago. I'm getting more comfortable and gaining confidence. I don't cover the brake lever but when I'm braking and rev matching Ive found out that wrapping the thumb and index finger on the throttle and braking with the other three gives me more control.
Many thanks for this video. I am 4months into riding and I have dropped my bike so many times at slow turns that I knew I was doing something wrong. I checked it out and saw I was using the front brakes while leaning the bike. I know what to do better now. Many thanks
Hi Kevin, thanks for covering this topic. It is a good road strategy when conditions are potentially higher risk to your safety like riding around town or suspect country roads. Otherwise I'm on the throttle and adopt this method when my safety is challenged. Many thanks, love your work on MCrider. Cheers Steve (down under)
I use index and ring finger most of the time. On longer rides I would move my hand to the anti vibration weight to stretch my arthritic hands a couple seconds. Rev matching and down shifting while dragging the front brake can be done very smoothly this way. The adjustable brake lever is set so I can’t pinch my fingers at full squeeze. If you’re brake lever can pinch your fingers, or your brakes aren’t very powerful, or if you have short fingers this technique may be awkward. We have mule deer hear that are like barnyard animals and will stroll out of ditches driveways and between parked car’s with little fear of cars. Cover the brake, keep the speed down.Excellent subject by the way!
Sometimes has never been so well defined. Covering the front brake in risky areas is smart business. Another Skill that when practiced becomes second nature you are covering the front brake without the thought to do so!
Lovely video. I do cover my front brakes and my rear ones if the need arises. However If am already turning the front wheel and at a slow speed and its a tight turn, If am am required to stop suddenly then with such a slow speed and an already existing lean angle its quite possible that by hitting the front brake a little to hard , or at all, I will cause the bike to stop and/or fall over. So on tight turns I try and leave the front brake alone and therefore don't cover it. Then if I have to stop I use the rear brake only with less likely hood of stalling and or falling.
Hi from Sydney, Australia. Enjoy your show and watch it diligently. I've learnt to use two fingers always in city commuting and at other times, when approaching hazards.
I tend to cover with two fingers as I feel situations developing. I typically will not do it at slow speed so I will not accidentally apply pressure and drop the bike as you mentioned in the video. So for me it is very dynamic as RevJRJr said below.
!! instinctively grabbing the front brake while slowly turning is a real danger while covering the front brake, especially in unsuspecting scenarios !!
great video. hands get colder in the winter while covering the front brake and the clutch :}
each bike acts differently, so practice is the only way to internalize the feel of a particular bike... once you recognize how it behaves when tires are about to lose traction, you're able to momentarily decrease braking force before completely losing traction.
covering the brake not only offers shorter reaction time, it counter-intuitively offers a greater control when initiating (hard) braking. when not covering, your brain commands a 3 step command "fast go- stop - slow go" action compared to just slow-go action. it takes less brain power so it's easier to master.
think about the rear brake: if you need to reposition your foot, make contact and then start applying pressure, you're more inclined to stomp on that pedal. you're in a hurry to start applying the brakes, the brain doesn't want to concentrate on feeling the pedal before applying pressure... i'm a firm believer in the KISS principle: 'keep it simple stupid' :} or 'keep it super simple' for the rest of you
be safe, have fun
3XL hands. Cover with index finger, all the time. Need something there all the time for trail-braking. Never use more than the one finger. Same on clutch.
This was helpful. Please make a video about how to properly grab the left handlebar and the clutch.
I do a lot of rural riding here in MO, so I tend to cover with two fingers most of the time. Since I think muscle memory is very important, I ONLY brake using two fingers. I don't want to cover with two fingers, with a lot of trail-braking 99% of the time, then in an escape situation grab the brake with a full four fingers. So basically, everytime I use the brake I am using the same approach. No mixing and matching.
I do the same as in the video, except i only use one finger. If it is a serious emergency (or i want to break hard for canyon carving) i use the second, and i very rarely use three. This way the front wheel is already pre-loaded when i start squeezing with two fingers. This works much better with my current custom brake levers, because they are on the shortest setting and i have more space for the fingers to move around. But i agree that first a rider has to learn and practice not using the brakes when it is dangerous.
I like the idea of rolling off the throttle and onto the brake lever and vice versa when throttling on again.
Hey Kevin. I've learned so much from your Videos !
I'm a middle aged man, returning to Cycling, after a 25 yr absence.
Your videos are SO informative. You are a Blessing, & You need to offer a Blessing
of Sorts, at your "Meet" in Austin Texas, in April. As a devout Christian, I also
offer a Blessing of Safety to You all. Safe Cycling. Thanks, again!
In addition to putting on all the gear (all the time), it's crucial to put on the armor of God and ask for His protection every time we venture out onto the road. His armor kept me safe during my tour in Afghanistan. Praise or loving Heavenly Father.
Comforting to know I been doing something right this past 25 years. Always done two fingers. It feels natural and balanced.
I keep index and thumb fingers around (closing on each other) the throttle using middle and ring fingers to brake lever.
Yeah, I kinda got used to it, to rest my finger on The brake lever... Sometimes my arm and Wrist get really tired, specially when riding in crowded roads. Thank you for this video, Kevin! Keep up the good work!
Anticipate. Situational Awareness. Over speed.... most often the reason for problems.
Been riding for 47 years, never tried covering the brakes until watching one of your videos a couple of years ago. Occasionally I try it but find it awkward, so tend to revert to just throttling on with the full hand on the throttle. I just slow down a little when I think danger is imminent.
2 fingers covering, as you describe, so that applying the brake also simultaneously rolls off the throttle. In traffic, near potential hazards, and on the uk motorway network in heavy traffic (whilst also riding near the edge of my lane for better view of brake lights ahead and an escape route if I or the guy behind me misjudges braking distance in a sudden hazard).
I cover the brake in traffic, in neighborhoods, and ALWAYS when trail braking, as to properly trail brake you have to be able to use both the throttle and front brake at the same time, as you add throttle and reduce brake, or reduce throttle and add brake through a corner. I use two fingers, and have some aftermarket brake levers that have a projection that fits between my index and middle fingers to make it comfortable and allow a little higher pressure on the lever by my index finger, when needed. On open highways, I usually do not cover the brake at all.
I tend to leave my index finger on the throttle and cover the brake with the remaining 3 fingers when approaching traffic. The index tends to stay out of the leaver path even with gloves on and I have enough strength in the other 3 to fully mash the brake if needed.
Thanks for tips of fingers on top of lever until applying brake.
I've dropped the bike turning at slow speed until I learned to take my fingers off during that time. I do it like you demonstrated as preferred technique, but I also have a clip on throttle rocker that helps me maintain throttle control when not in cruise control.
I like covering the controls
In emergency situation, if I cover the brakes, I have perception time and braking time. If I don’t cover, I have perception time, then move my finger to the brake time, then braking time.
By having to move your fingers to the brake in a emergency situation, sometimes people accidentally hold the revs up while they do that. Plus, they now have less time and distance left to brake, so they may panic more and more easily grab the brake.
Versus if your fingers are already on the brake, you already have more time to brake, easier to do proper progressive squeeze.
Additionally, when you need precise throttle control, such as in low speed maneuvers, by resting your fingers on top of the brake lever, you can use it as a stabilizer to tune out bumps that may cause jerky throttles. Also it serves as an index and makes it easier to tell exactly how much throttle you’ve opened
Two covering the brake all times and I mirror this on the clutch. I have been caught with having a little throttle when braking as I am riding a little 250 and wringing it pinned full throttle but as I do the same with clutch with a full pull grab I only ended up with engine rev. This is not my normal stopping just a couple emergency stops. On bigger more powerful bikes I don’t have to pin the throat toe the roll off is sufficient.